[UPDATE]Hillary: I am a modern progressive

I scooped a couple of light-hearted news on Hillary.

Hillary at Iowa state fair, she looked fantastic in that photo...

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/08/16/us/pol itics/16obama.html?ref=politics


So Clinton flipped pork patties. She gawked at a life-sized cow replica made of butter ("Oh my gosh," she said, looking through the glass encasement at the dairy wonder). She stopped at a food stand and ordered an ice-cream on a stick dipped in chocolate and rolled in nuts. "You're officially at the state fair; you've got something on a stick," a man behind her in line said.

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But women by and large flocked to see Clinton, who was mobbed for the entire visit. There were even some moments of near spontaneity, by Clinton's standards. While she was turning pork over a sweltering grill, she joked about being able to handle the heat. Her assistant, Huma Abedin, snapped up a "special double ringer mop" at a hardware stand (special price: $20). Clinton marveled at an apple-slicing machine that then produced her a candied apple dish. At the Iowa pork producers stand, she donned a specially made apron with her name and "the other white meat" emblazoned on it. Her top Iowa strategist, veteran political operative Teresa Vilmain, practically glowed as she ate a hamburger, then a pork chop, watching her candidate become the fair's main attraction.

Jeanne Rutz, an 80-year-old caucusgoer, said she was proud to stand in the sweltering heat to meet the woman who would become the first female president. "Is there anyone else?" Rutz, who remembers her parents voting for Franklin Delano Roosevelt, said


http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/con tent/article/2007/08/15/AR2007081501647. html

Candidates of both parties have flocked to the fair this week as they courted voters in this leadoff caucus state. Iowa is Clinton's weakest state _ she either is tied with rivals John Edwards and Barack Obama or trails in polls _ and she spent nearly three hours under sweltering summer heat touring and shaking hands.
...
The former first lady munched on a Wonder Bar _ vanilla ice cream covered with chocolate and nuts and perched, like most fair food, on a stick. At the Applehus stand, she sampled a bowl of caramel apples; at a novelty shop, she was given a SpongeBob doll by the obviously starstruck proprietor.

"I like Hillary. I'd vote for her," William Luman said.

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Inside the huge Varied Industry Building, she visited quiltmakers and stopped by the booth of the Iowa Democratic Party, where her campaign sign was just above Obama's.

At the dairy building, she nodded solemnly at the life-sized butter cow, one of the fair's best known attractions. Vilsack pointed out the butter sculpture of Harry Potter next to the cow and noted that he'd finished all seven Harry Potter books.

Now more polls.
CBS released a new poll among likely democratic primary voters.



Clinton 45
Obama 25
Edwards 14


No surprise here, 'experience' thing is killing Obama's chance. But what caught my eyes is that people who believe he's experienced enough to be president has actually fallen sharply over the course.
http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2007/08/15/ couricandco/entry3171160.shtml

Moreover, if our poll is right, doubts have grown about Obama's experience--only 41% of Democrats think he has the experience needed to be president (Clinton gets an 80% positive response). And among all voters, 51% said they do not think Obama has the necessary experience--last January, only 31% expressed such doubts.


But perhaps most strikingly, 80 percent of Democrats say Mrs. Clinton has "the right kind of experience to be a good president," while 41 percent say that of Mr. Obama. Of all voters, 59 percent say she has such experience, twice as many as believe Mr. Obama has it.

This may have helped Mrs. Clinton pass a threshold of electability. Now, 76 percent of Democrats and 62 percent of voters over all say she could win the presidency if she wins her party's nomination. In addressing why she could not win, 37 percent of voters over all said because she is a woman, 13 percent said people dislike her and 12 percent said they did not like Bill Clinton or want a second Clinton presidency.

It is less clear that Mr. Obama has passed that threshold, with 54 percent of Democrats and 46 percent of voters over all saying he could win the presidency. As to why he could not, 37 percent said he was inexperienced and 18 percent said because he is black.

GOP polling firm Strategic Vision also released a Florida primary poll.

Florida


   Aug(June)
Clinton 40(37)
Obama   20(21)
Edwards 16(20)
Richardson 9(4)

Some moderate improvement for Hillary since June in this state.

After some heated bickering, it's time to relax, folks. Have some fun no matter who you support. Good night!

Clinton talks illegal immigration, middle class help in Iowa http://news.postbulletin.com/newsmanager/templates/localnews_story.asp?z=16&a=304094
During a stop earlier in the day in Dubuque, Clinton defined herself in sharply populist terms. She became the latest of the presidential candidates to align themselves with the trust-busting days of President Theodore Roosevelt in the early 1900s. "America was a country filled with haves and have-nots with not too many people in between," Clinton said. "In response to those excesses, a progressive movement was formed and they understood that the welfare of each of us is dependent fundamentally on the welfare of all of us.""I consider myself a thoroughly optimistic and modern progressive, and we need a new progressive vision for America," said Clinton. "I believe we can grow our economy in the face of global competition and do it in a way that benefits all Americans." ... Peggy Gaul, of Walnut, was wearing a bright orange National Rural Letter Carriers Association T-shirt, and said she was in Council Bluffs to hear Clinton talk about issues that affect her directly. "I am middle class, I am concerned about the middle class, and how she feels about working people and giving them a fair shake," Gaul said. "The working environment for the last few years has been not very supportive of labor, and I would like to see that change."

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Comments

98 Comments

Re: CBS poll: Clinton 45, Obama 25, Edwards 14

From the looks of those hips, I'd say she needs to lay off the pork for a while lol

by Vox Populi 2007-08-15 05:49PM | 0 recs
Re: CBS poll: Clinton 45, Obama 25, Edwards 14

Totally stupid comment. And not funny at all.

by lonnette33 2007-08-15 05:51PM | 0 recs
Re: CBS poll: Clinton 45, Obama 25, Edwards 14

She look sgreat in that picture.  What a piggy comment.

Ladies, this is why you should really think about nominating a woman.

by bookgrl 2007-08-15 05:52PM | 0 recs
Re: CBS poll: Clinton 45, Obama 25, Edwards 14

I've said pretty much the same thing about Richardson, so it's not at all a sexist comment.

by Vox Populi 2007-08-15 05:53PM | 0 recs
Re: CBS poll: Clinton 45, Obama 25, Edwards 14

Okay, so it's a comment that you'd direct at anyone in a picture that you'd like to call fat. Lovely.

by bowiegeek 2007-08-16 10:04PM | 0 recs
Re: CBS poll: Clinton 45, Obama 25, Edwards 14

Good point. The chubby jab was uncalled for. But expected.

by DoIT 2007-08-15 05:54PM | 0 recs
Re: CBS poll: Clinton 45, Obama 25, Edwards 14

I think she looks great. She is very charming and actually has a pretty face.

She is obviously not some sort of dimbo if that's what you want.

I like her because she is extremely comfortable in her own skin.

by areyouready 2007-08-15 05:56PM | 0 recs
Re: CBS poll: Clinton 45, Obama 25, Edwards 14

I'm not sure what a "dimbo" is and I agree she looks just fine.  She's still chunky though.

by Vox Populi 2007-08-15 05:59PM | 0 recs
Re: CBS poll: Clinton 45, Obama 25, Edwards 14

Stop while you're behind, buddy.

by bookgrl 2007-08-15 05:59PM | 0 recs
Re: CBS poll: Clinton 45, Obama 25, Edwards 14

Vox,

I'd love to see a picture of you. Post one.

by lonnette33 2007-08-15 06:00PM | 0 recs
Re: CBS poll: Clinton 45, Obama 25, Edwards 14

http://carryonamerica.com/photosforblog/ hillary2.jpg

by Vox Populi 2007-08-15 06:15PM | 0 recs
Re: CBS poll: Clinton 45, Obama 25, Edwards 14

Real funny. I believe you are for JE right? No wonder.

by lonnette33 2007-08-15 06:18PM | 0 recs
Re: CBS poll: Clinton 45, Obama 25, Edwards 14

Please don't dig any deeper.  It's on the level of haircut references.

by Rooktoven 2007-08-15 06:08PM | 0 recs
Re: CBS poll: Clinton 45, Obama 25, Edwards 14

Really Dumb comment.

I suggest you apologize for it lest it undermine the good things you've said in the past.

by Rooktoven 2007-08-15 06:07PM | 0 recs
Re: CBS poll: Clinton 45, Obama 25, Edwards 14

Stay classy.

by Steve M 2007-08-15 10:13PM | 0 recs
Re: CBS poll: Clinton 45, Obama 25, Edwards 14

Hey, a GREAT Diary. Very well done. Have a good evening. We have tomorrow to go at this all again.

by DoIT 2007-08-15 05:52PM | 0 recs
Re: CBS poll: Clinton 45, Obama 25, Edwards 14

Goodnight DoIT.

by lonnette33 2007-08-15 05:54PM | 0 recs
Re: CBS poll: Clinton 45, Obama 25, Edwards 14

Goodnight lonnette33!

by DoIT 2007-08-15 05:56PM | 0 recs
Re: CBS poll: Clinton 45, Obama 25, Edwards 14

Hillary continues to dominate in the polls.  3 percentage point jump. WOW! I can't believe it. Amazing. She's my girl!

by lonnette33 2007-08-15 05:54PM | 0 recs
Re: CBS poll: Clinton 45, Obama 25, Edwards 14

what do u mean 3 points jump? I can't find the last CBS poll, so no trendline.

by areyouready 2007-08-15 05:57PM | 0 recs
Re: CBS poll: Clinton 45, Obama 25, Edwards 14

Based on your diary she jumped 3 percentage points from June to August.

by lonnette33 2007-08-15 05:59PM | 0 recs
Re: CBS poll: Clinton 45, Obama 25, Edwards 14

okay, you mean FL primary poll? I was trying to find out the previous CBS polls...

by areyouready 2007-08-15 06:02PM | 0 recs
Re: CBS poll: Clinton 45, Obama 25, Edwards 14

In Florida.

by lonnette33 2007-08-15 06:02PM | 0 recs
Re: CBS poll: Clinton 45, Obama 25, Edwards 14

I heard that those pork chops on a stick are awesome. I remember Nancy Pelosi saying that she ate 2.  You go girl!

by lonnette33 2007-08-15 05:56PM | 0 recs
Re: CBS poll: Clinton 45, Obama 25, Edwards 14

While I appreciate the giddy enthusiasm of the HRC fan club (she has a pretty face? WTF??), I have this nagging feeling that you folks are setting us up -again - to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory. This election could be monumental, but we are gonna blow it, and largely because of this sentimental attachment to Bill Clinton.  I swear to god if you guys screw this up again....arrgh.

by PositiveLiberty 2007-08-15 06:11PM | 0 recs
Ironic your name is positiveliberal

Hillary does have a pretty face, not that it matters.

by bookgrl 2007-08-15 06:13PM | 0 recs
Re: Ironic your name is positiveliberal

she does indeed, but who gives a crap? Is this what this is about now? I feel like I've wandered into the kids bedroom on a sleepover - She has extraordinarily high negs, as you know, and when they are done swiftboating her, we will be trashed.  Can you imagine any southern or midwestern candidates - a la Jim Webb, John Tester - asking HRC to come to their states?? Why would we saddle them with this??

by PositiveLiberty 2007-08-15 06:18PM | 0 recs
Re: Ironic your name is positiveliberal

Excuse me if I don't agree. Hillary can win and WILL win.

by lonnette33 2007-08-15 06:21PM | 0 recs
Re: Ironic your name is positiveliberal

Lonnette, name a state in the south/west/midwest where you think local candidates will want HRC to campaign in a tight race...seriously. Do those races really not matter? Is this ALL about Hillary?

by PositiveLiberty 2007-08-15 06:26PM | 0 recs
Re: Ironic your name is positiveliberal

Hillary is very popular amongst Democrats. Read bookgrl's comment.

by lonnette33 2007-08-15 06:29PM | 0 recs
Re: Ironic your name is positiveliberal

you know what I'm talking about - this isn't about NY! You're saddling us with a candidate that they'll be running from around the country, it will harm races all down the line.

by PositiveLiberty 2007-08-15 06:34PM | 0 recs
Re: Ironic your name is positiveliberal

Ya live in la la land apparently.

by DoIT 2007-08-16 03:49AM | 0 recs
Re: Ironic your name is positiveliberal

Missouri.  Iowa.  Ohio. Colorado. Nevada. Illinois. Virginia.. Is that enough?

by Denny Crane 2007-08-15 06:46PM | 0 recs
Re: Ironic your name is positiveliberal

I didn't say name states that you've heard of..Missouri? Colorado? Virginia? Are you sh*tting me?

by PositiveLiberty 2007-08-15 06:48PM | 0 recs
Re: Ironic your name is positiveliberal

Have you been paying attention to recent results in those states?  They are all going to be top targeted states by any Democratic candidate.

by Jerome Armstrong 2007-08-15 07:42PM | 0 recs
Re: Ironic your name is positiveliberal

Amen, Jerome.

I would highly recommend that people following the 2008 election start to familiarize themselves with the electoral map. It is fundamental to the process to understand that Presidential elections are state-by-state affairs.

I recommend this site:

http://www.270towin.com/

It's an interactive electoral college map. There's a drop down box under the map for selecting the starting view: 2004 actual, 2004 very close, etc. Republican states in red, Dem states in red. Electoral college totals at the bottom left. Click on any state to see the history over the last 10 elections, going back to Nixon/Humphrey.

I have to laugh when people suggest that the Democrats have a chance at Miss, Al, or SC. Those states have gone Dem one time in the last ten elections: 30 years ago when Jimmy Carter carried them.

Compare to Ohio that has voted for the winner in every one of the ten elections in the last forty years. Or Florida that has voted with the winner in nine of the ten elections (Clinton lost Florida in 1992, but won in 1996).

As for coattails. I would remind downticket Democrats that women made up 54% of the electorate in 2004, that women break strongly for Democrats (51% to 48% for Kerry in 2004), and that there is an historic opportunity for the Democrats to drive historic female turnout in 2008.

by hwc 2007-08-15 08:12PM | 0 recs
Re: Ironic your name is positiveliberal

Great reply. Thanks for the link.

by DoIT 2007-08-16 03:51AM | 0 recs
Re: Ironic your name is positiveliberal

what about Florida?  Give us some love.  We'll work our behinds off to turn this state blue.

by georgep 2007-08-16 04:02AM | 0 recs
Re: Ironic your name is positiveliberal

Florida is a very strong state for HRC whether it be in the primaries or the general.

by sepulvedaj3 2007-08-16 07:04AM | 0 recs
Re: Ironic your name is positiveliberal

Right arm.

by DoIT 2007-08-16 03:39AM | 0 recs
Re: Ironic your name is positiveliberal

If you believe Obama can win this thing, you really need to watch some foxnews. It's Obama 24/7, he gets decimated by his ridiculous blunders.

Don't tell me he has any appeal among GOPers. LOL. It's laughable and frankly a mirage for lots of far leftists.

by areyouready 2007-08-15 06:24PM | 0 recs
Re: Ironic your name is positiveliberal

I wouldn't use Fox as any indication who can win or not. With them it's whatever Democrat seems to be the flavor of the day to pillory.

by DoIT 2007-08-16 03:55AM | 0 recs
Re: Ironic your name is positiveliberal

She has a 74% approval rating in NY, 42% among Republicans.  Her neg rating is down to 42% in one of the polls released today and trending downward.  In some polls, where people are not pushed to choose she has a 37% neg.  That's not at all bad for the one of the most well known people ever to run for office.

by bookgrl 2007-08-15 06:25PM | 0 recs
Re: Ironic your name is positiveliberal

I can assure you that Hillary will not be swiftboated. You give the republicans way too much credit. Hillary will not allow anyone to impugn her character. Who gives a damn about Jim Webb? He just voted to give Bush more power to spy on people. If he asked for my help I would extend a courteous middle finger.

by DoIT 2007-08-16 03:48AM | 0 recs
Re: CBS poll: Clinton 45, Obama 25, Edwards 14

I frankly don't believe anyone other than Hillary can beat Rudy or even Romney in general election.

Edwards? Obama? I just don't see it's going to happen.

by areyouready 2007-08-15 06:13PM | 0 recs
Re: CBS poll: Clinton 45, Obama 25, Edwards 14

The only one screwing us is you with such a comment. Sorry to say.

by lonnette33 2007-08-15 06:16PM | 0 recs
Re: CBS poll: Clinton 45, Obama 25, Edwards 14

I share your sentiments PositiveLiberty.

I kinda get the feeling that HRC supporters are so used to losing they get excited to see a candidate that fits the popular pattern (Smart, but safe and low on charisma) that might actually eek out a victory and they go wild.  If they would look outside the formula, I think they would see that we have two candidates (Edwards and Obama) who have landslide potential.

by ArkansasLib 2007-08-15 06:17PM | 0 recs
Re: CBS poll: Clinton 45, Obama 25, Edwards 14

This is extremely laughable, if you believe either Edwards or Obama can actually win against Rudy and/or Romney, you're really not living in reality.

I am pretty much a moderate, Edwards and Obama only remind me of Jimmy Carter who was a disaster, IMHO.

IMHO, Edwards and Obama have no charisma, they have this typical 'phoney' image which is unfairly attached to 'liberal's. They really have no chance.

by areyouready 2007-08-15 06:22PM | 0 recs
Re: CBS poll: Clinton 45, Obama 25, Edwards 14

Your opinion on this is based on nothing but a personal opinion shared by few.  I live in Arkansas, I know how southerners think, and who they will vote for.  Edwards and Obama would be very competitive here.

by ArkansasLib 2007-08-15 06:25PM | 0 recs
Re: CBS poll: Clinton 45, Obama 25, Edwards 14

LOL. That's exactly how so many informed liberal bloggers liked to brag in last election.

Counting signs? Obama wins Arkansas? Give me a break. LOL.

by areyouready 2007-08-15 06:27PM | 0 recs
Re: CBS poll: Clinton 45, Obama 25, Edwards 14

You laugh, but he will win Arkansas if given the chance.  He's-

  1. Tough on defense
  2. Never divorced and comfortable in the language of faith
and
3)Able to turn out the black vote

Arkansas is actually a pretty liberal state as southern states go, we only went Bush by about 5% in the last two elections, and that is solely the religious vote putting him over the top, if we democrats can even split them evenly, Arkansas is ours.

by ArkansasLib 2007-08-15 06:33PM | 0 recs
Re: CBS poll: Clinton 45, Obama 25, Edwards 14

To be honest with you, I sometimes really want to toss either Obama and Edwards as the nominee to you guys on the far left.

I'd like to see many of you cry like a baby when facing a disastrous election defeat in Nov 2008 with either of these two on the ticket.

Tough on defense? He's been ridiculed by foxnews on this thing for almost four weeks. LOL. You believe those folks in Arkansas will believe his 'tough on defense'. You're really living in a bubble.

To believe he can somehow 'magically' turn out lots of 'underground' African American voters is also questionable, to say the least. African Americans already have had high turn out in the past.

Your premise is just another liberal fantasy wonderland.

Anyway, I can't really persuade, I just find it's amazing that many bloggers are really living in la la land.

by areyouready 2007-08-15 06:42PM | 0 recs
Re: CBS poll: Clinton 45, Obama 25, Edwards 14

...and I find it amazing that you believe you can speak for Arkansas better than someone who has actually lived there his whole life.

How incredibly presumptuous, and how incredibly common among Hillary supporters.

Again, your oversimplifications will bite you in the ass here...if you look at the results from 2000 in Arkansas, you'll realize two things

1) African Americans in Arkansas broke 60/40 for BUSH- because Gore seemed out of touch, and didn't effectively connect with the black vote, which can be pivitol in both Arkansas AND Tennessee, as it was in 92 and 96 for Clinton.

2) Moderates in Ark broke 60/40 for GORE, as they usually do for Democrats

The only things that kept us from winning Ark and Tenn in 2000 and 2004 were the candidates inability to connect with people, thus seeming too 'packaged' and inauthentic, and the increased turn out of the religious vote (especially in 2004 due to a gay marriage ballot initiative).

The religious vote won't be as excited this year (unless it is motivated against Hillary, which won't happen if Giuliani is the nominee, it will just depress turnout.), and none of the Republican candidates seem very authentic.

Obama or Edwards could clean house.  It is very realistic when you look at the numbers.

by ArkansasLib 2007-08-15 07:01PM | 0 recs
Re: CBS poll: Clinton 45, Obama 25, Edwards 14

LOL. I appreciate your optimism. If I don't have a dog in this race, I really really want to see either Obama or Edwards as the nominee just to see you guys cry like a littel baby in the end.

One of the most important reason I find Edwards or obama's candidacy is very questionalbe is their 'phoney' image projected to moderates and independents, especially the 'phoney macho' image.It's laughable. All those tough talks following his dictator blunder only reinforces the stereotype 'liberal dove' image. Don't underestimate voters' intelligence.

Lots of people may have a problem with Hillary, but there's no denial she is 'authentically' tough. Women are also a huge huge factor. That's why I believe she will win in the end.

Anyway, there's no way I can convert you. Many of the stuff you cited is just some standard repeating talking points touted by those losing DC strategists for every election. They have never won any election.

There's one thing we may agree. If democratic party wants to find a winner, that one needs to be authentic and/or tough. Both Clinton and Carter had sort of the mixture. Clinton has 'tough' quality. Edwards/Obama has neither.

by areyouready 2007-08-15 07:13PM | 0 recs
Re: CBS poll: Clinton 45, Obama 25, Edwards 14

I'm not saying this as a "rabbid Clinton supporter" but lets be clear.

You just assume that Obama or Edwards can connect with people because you like Obama and Edwards. Hillary Clinton connects with lots of people. Hence why she has a favorability rating in the 80's among democrats.

I don't see any proof that Obama and Edwards have a monopoly on connecting with people. In fact I've never seen any proof of this from any Edwards/Obama supporter.

Also there's this assumption that Obama is the only campaign that can turnout black voters. First, any campaign can turnout voters with the right ground game. Second African American's love Hillary Clinton which explains why Clinton and Obama are still fighting over their votes.

A Clinton candidacy could easily turnout droves of African Americans. And remember...Bill Clinton is the first black president.

Let's not forget the increased amount of women Hillary can turnout. And more importantly the independent woman voters who delivered the white house to Bush originally

You have the right to your opinions and feelings but I'm hesitant to trust the "gut feelings" of those who suppport an opposing candidate.

So with all do respect keep in mind that your speculation is just that...speculation

by world dictator 2007-08-15 07:28PM | 0 recs
Re: CBS poll: Clinton 45, Obama 25, Edwards 14

The problem with the 'women will help' Hillary logic is that, in Arkansas at least, they already vote in high numbers, and vote OVERWHELMINGLY Democratic.

Obama is best equipped to connect with black and southern voters, just look at the comparative turnouts in Selma, Obama had that sewed up (and had John Lewis with him).

As for Edwards authenticity, all I can cite is that many of my usually republican freinds have commented how 'Edwards talks like he has sense' and then they go on to bemoan that the Democrats will never nominate him!  I have heard this surprisingly frequently.

Clinton will undoubtedly have a more uphill battle in the south, and rural america in general, and anyone who denies that is simply not acknowledging reality.

world dictator, you are correct that Clinton is popular 'among democrats', but that won't help us where we need it in the general.

areyouready, I am concerned you won't get to see us cry over a liberal loss because we always run safe, establishment candidates, running Hillary would be perfectly in keeping with our recent tradition, but that is why until very recently Republicans outnumber us in living former presidents, and we FAR outnumber them in living former presidential candidates.

by ArkansasLib 2007-08-15 07:54PM | 0 recs
Re: CBS poll: Clinton 45, Obama 25, Edwards 14

Outcome of nominations

Carter - Non establishment candidate.
Mondale - establishment candidate.
Dukakis - establishment candidate.
Clinton - Non establishment candidate.
Gore - Heir as VP of sitting president.
Kerry - establishment candidate.

from the 5 real races 3 were establishment 2 were not. That shows no tradition at all. In fact compared to the republicans, who've always chosen the establishment candidate we are postively unpredictable.

While you can argue that the non establishment candidates have performed better then the establishment candidates it does show that that the nomination has to be earned and that we don't always run safe, establishment candidates. If we run hillary it's because people think she'll be the best candidate, not because she's a safe establishment candidates.

by Ernst 2007-08-16 01:56AM | 0 recs
Re: CBS poll: Clinton 45, Obama 25, Edwards 14

Now I am sure you live in la la land cause you say you have republican friends. There ain't no such thing. Do you believe in the Easter Bunny too?

by DoIT 2007-08-16 04:11AM | 0 recs
Re: CBS poll: Clinton 45, Obama 25, Edwards 14

"I'd like to see many of you cry like a baby when facing a disastrous election defeat in Nov 2008 with either of these two on the ticket."

Not anything I want to experience. Not at all. Victory is the only expression I intend on having in November 2008.

by DoIT 2007-08-16 04:07AM | 0 recs
Re: CBS poll: Clinton 45, Obama 25, Edwards 14

Hillary wins Arkansas?

If Huckabee's on the GOP ticket, don't count on it, Bill or no Bill.

by Nedsdag 2007-08-15 09:10PM | 0 recs
Ah, yes. They can.

by bookgrl 2007-08-15 06:26PM | 0 recs
Re: CBS poll: Clinton 45, Obama 25, Edwards 14

I live in VA and Clinton could not carry VA.

THE KEY TO THE RACE HERE IS lOUDON cOUNTY and Prince William County the two fastest growing counties in VA AND NECESSARY FOR A DEMOCRAT TO CARRY IN-ORDER TO WIN. She could not carry these two counties today.

sHE COULD CARRY fAIRFAX, aRLINTON AND aLEXANDRIA COUNTIES AS WELL AS THE rICHMOND AREA. aLL ARWEAS THAT kERRY CARRIED.

However Kaine and Webb carried Loudon and Prince William county which lead them to victory. No democrat has previously carried these two counties.  

by BDM 2007-08-16 06:41AM | 0 recs
Re: CBS poll: Clinton 45, Obama 25, Edwards 14

Sniffing glue again?

by DoIT 2007-08-16 03:56AM | 0 recs
Re: CBS poll: Clinton 45, Obama 25, Edwards 14

We honestly believe she can win- trust me, the last thing we would want is for Clinton to lose the election- I think if we had serious doubts, we would not support her for her own good.  It might not be a slam-dunk but we are confident in her.  In contrast, I was never confident that Kerry could have won.  If he would have won, I would have thought it was in spite of himself rather than because of him.

by reasonwarrior 2007-08-16 03:38AM | 0 recs
Re: CBS poll: Clinton 45, Obama 25, Edwards 14

What basis should we trust you on this election

Rasmussen poll today.(poll taken Aug. 13-14th

Guliani surges to a 7 pt leasd over Clinton

Guliani 47
Clinton 40

In the match-up of the frontrunners, this result marks a significant shift. For the last three months the two frontrunners have never been further apart than three percentage points. Last month, Giuliani and Clinton were separated by just a single point.

Her un-favorables have hit her high in their polling in which they are at 52%

by BDM 2007-08-16 06:45AM | 0 recs
Re: CBS poll: Clinton 45, Obama 25, Edwards 14

Not sure what planet you are from but here on earth the only election that was snatched away was one in 2000 when some frickin Naderites split from the Democratic party and handed Bush the Presidency. And those folks sure as hell don't support Hillary. If you are going to make a point at least make an honest and intelligent one.

by DoIT 2007-08-16 03:38AM | 0 recs
How not to win in Iowa--

by saying what I think:

Pork is nasty and bad for you.  Hog farms are absolutely awful for the environment, and should be shutdown ASAP.

And lest you think I'm spouting off-- have you ever lived near a HOG factory?  Ugh.  Pure vileness.

by Rooktoven 2007-08-15 06:11PM | 0 recs
Re: How not to win in Iowa--

Rooktoven,

I don't eat pork or beef. Pelosi loved the pork on the stick. I'm a chicken and fish kinda woman.

by lonnette33 2007-08-15 06:14PM | 0 recs
Re: How not to win in Iowa--

I only eat pork, fish and seafood, occasionlly some chicken. Beef is awful.

by areyouready 2007-08-15 06:16PM | 0 recs
Re: CBS poll: Clinton 45, Obama 25, Edwards 14

Hilllary actually does look surprisingly comfotable behind that spatula.

This is a good pic for her.

by ArkansasLib 2007-08-15 06:12PM | 0 recs
Re: CBS poll: Clinton 45, Obama 25, Edwards 14

"You're officially at the state fair; you've got something on a stick," a man behind her in line said.

This is an awesome quote.  And so true.

by Steve M 2007-08-15 06:20PM | 0 recs
Re: CBS poll: Clinton 45, Obama 25, Edwards 14
CBS push polling for Hillary now..Amazing.
Asking about Obamas name??
I can now only imagine the leading experience questions they asked for these polls.
They're getting the results they want to get in these polls and too bad we wont have a national primary to prove them wrong and call them out on these nonsense polls.
by joachim 2007-08-15 06:23PM | 0 recs
Re: CBS poll: Clinton 45, Obama 25, Edwards 14

Do you even know what a push poll is?

by Denny Crane 2007-08-15 06:49PM | 0 recs
Re: CBS poll: Clinton 45, Obama 25, Edwards 14

Everything is a frigging conspiracy.  Many Obama posters on this site have gone off the deep end with this conspiracy crap.  If it weren't so damn sad, I would actually laugh out loud.  

by georgep 2007-08-16 04:14AM | 0 recs
Re: CBS poll: Clinton 45, Obama 25, Edwards 14

George you always quote polls. Did you see Rasmussen today.
Poll: Aug 13-14th
Guliani 47
Clinton 40
Un-favorables for Clinton have reached their high 52%

In the match-up of the frontrunners, this result marks a significant shift. For the last three months the two frontrunners have never been further apart than three percentage points. Last month, Giuliani and Clinton were separated by just a single point.

by BDM 2007-08-16 06:48AM | 0 recs
Re: CBS poll: Clinton 45, Obama 25, Edwards 14

How about I laugh out loud for you.

LOL

by DoIT 2007-08-16 06:58AM | 0 recs
Re: CBS poll: Clinton 45, Obama 25, Edwards 14

Don't forget to recommend Hillary supporters.

by lonnette33 2007-08-15 06:24PM | 0 recs
Why

is Hillary's worst state the one where everybody has been campaigning?

by CardBoard 2007-08-15 07:03PM | 0 recs
Re: Why


Think about this, why would they be so concerned about Mr Obama if indeed they are winning him as they have claimed?

Would you be fighting someone for a bicycle if you have a car?

Now CBS polls about Obama's name. Scandal!

How about polling about real problems? healthcare, education, Iraq, environment, corruption ..........

by win 2007-08-15 07:13PM | 0 recs
Re: Why

That post made absolutely no sense

by world dictator 2007-08-15 07:30PM | 0 recs
Re: Why

I didn't expect otherwise.

by DoIT 2007-08-16 04:16AM | 0 recs
Modern Progressive?

What does that mean?  Really, explain it, what does it mean?

by iamready 2007-08-15 08:09PM | 0 recs
Hill is drawing another big crowd

http://desmoinesregister.com/apps/pbcs.d ll/article?AID=20070815/NEWS/70815046- 1/SPORTS04


The corndog was Hillary Clinton's favorite state fair food when she was a governor's wife in Arkansas.

The sausage sandwich, a revered favorite among Upstate New Yorkers, proved pivotal to her Senate race. She chowed on one - actually two - at at the New York State Fair after her Republican opponent famously declined a taste of the regional delicacy.

The pork chop got the cameras flashing at the Iowa State Fair this afternoon.

"Oh, pork chops are huge," Clinton explained to a reporter as she strolled the fairgrounds.

Asked if eating a pork sandwich could help boost her bid for president of the United States the way her vigor for the sausage sandwich won over some fairgoers in New York, Clinton said: "I can only hope my opponents turn it down!"

When she arrived at the fairgrounds at 11:45 a.m., Clinton's first stop was The Des Moines Register's soapbox, where she told a crowd of about 500 that she'd heard Iowa's fair was the best in the country.

"I'm going to do my own investigation," she said. "I'm going to eat my way around the fair."

Then she made a path through the air-conditioned Varied Industries building, where she greeted people at the Iowa Democratic Party's booth.

Clinton appeared to be enjoying herself. She sipped a lemonade, and licked a Wonder Bar made of chocolate- and nut-dipped ice cream. "I've got something on a stick," she said. "I'm feeling very good."

She squeezed the wringer on a PVA mop when a woman tried to sell her one, and paused to thank a salesman for the "The Rodman Nibbler" drill bit who called out a welcome to Iowa. "Say hello to Patty and Chet for me!" she trilled as she passed the booth for Iowa Gov. Chet Culver and Lt. Gov. Patty Judge.

Clinton squinted at an elaborate white quilt created by Vicki Swensen of Nevada and asked, "How's this one done?"

When she bellied up to an Applishus booth, 15-year-old employee Scott Monroe of Johnston, suddenly had eight photographers at his elbows. When the $3 bowl of caramel apples was offered "on the house," a Clinton staffer shook her head, handed Monroe a $20 and told the teen to keep the change.

The breathlessness of the crowds seemed to be evidence of her star power.

"Go Hillary! I'm totally behind you!" Judy O'Brien of Ames told the candidate as she walked by.

Julie Meyer of Wayland staked out a spot an hour and 15 minutes ahead of Clinton's scheduled soapbox appearance. "I think she can do it," Meyer said of a Clinton presidency.

Roger Robb of Clive, a Republican, angled for a shot with his camera phone.

"I'm not voting for her, but I thought it'd be fun to get a picture," he said.

Gary McConnell of Bloomfield told someone on his cell phone: "I was the third person to shake her hand when she got out of the car!" Asked about his excitement, McConnell, a member of the fair board of directors and a registered Democrat, looked embarrassed.

He said: "I don't have any comment at this time."

As 5-year-old Taylor Manusos' family, all from Grimes, stared at the candidate on the
Grand Concourse, the girl piped up: "Hi, Hillary Clinton!"

And Clinton hurried over to hug the petite girl, who wore a T-shirt that said "Cornfed."

Clinton's appearance caught some fairgoers by surprise, including Cindy and Miles Wellman of Houghton, who came to show a calf in a 4-H competition and to see 13-year-old Haley Wellman's blue-ribbon-winning pillow.

"Oh my God!" Cindy Wellman said when her husband, a Republican, pointed out the candidate walking through the Varied Industries building with a mob of videocameras around her.

The family hustled past the Iowa State Cyclones booth and the Sport Court booth and squeezed in between a herd of orange Kubota tractors to get a look at the candidate. Miles Wellman made it very clear he's not a fan of her politics, but Cindy Wellman shrugged and said she's still undecided.

Not everyone was impressed at the sight of Clinton.

"I don't think we need a woman president,"said John Rubison, of Sheldina, Mo., as he kept his distance from the swarm of people around Clinton. "I don't think the nation's ready."

Novi Martin of Lake Panorama got a big laugh from Clinton when Martin, an 81-year-old Republican, asked the Democratic candidate to sign her straw poll ticket.

"This is a first," Clinton said, scrawling with a blue marker.

Martin said she has no intention of voting for Clinton, but will use the signed ticket to goad a friend in her church choir who is a staunch Republican.

Sandy Winkel of Pella got a little peeved when a man in khakis grabbed her and pulled her back in his effort to reach Clinton. Winkel pushed back - before she saw the earpiece dangling from his ear that identified him as a Secret Service agent.

Winkel, an independent who's not sure who's she's voting for, wasn't apologetic. "I thought, this is nuts," she said about the swarm hurrying after Clinton.

After checking out the butter cow and butter Harry Potter, Clinton's last stop was the Iowa Pork Producers Association tent. She donned a blue denim apron with the words "The other white meat" on it, and flipped pork burgers with former Iowa Gov. Tom Vilsack and his wife, Christie.

A crowd of more than 30 photographers from around the world stood in a flower bed next to a flaming grill recording each moment.

The beef producers' booth went ignored. All the politicians go for pork, said Dana "Spanky" Wanken, a Clarion farmer on the pork tent committee.

"It's a tradition," Wanken said. "This is our 27th year. This is the place to be."

Just after 2 p.m., Clinton climbed into a squad car-led sport-utility vehicle bound for an AFL-CIO event in Waterloo.

by areyouready 2007-08-15 08:10PM | 0 recs
Re: [UPDATE]Hillary: I am a modern progressive

by markjay 2007-08-15 08:12PM | 0 recs
Did the Hillary Camp co-opt 'Modern Progressive'

from my saying Gore is a Modern Progressive Populist?

See my diary!

by NeuvoLiberal 2007-08-15 10:23PM | 0 recs
Re: [UPDATE]Hillary: vs Guliani

Rasmussen poll today(8/16):

Guliani 47
Clinton 40

UN- FAVORABLES UP TO 52%

by BDM 2007-08-16 04:25AM | 0 recs
Re: [UPDATE]Hillary: Oregon is a struggle

Oregon Survey of 500 Likely Voters
August 14, 2007

Rudy Giuliani (R) vs.
Hillary Clinton (D)

Rudy Giuliani (R)
 41%

Hillary Clinton (D)
 42%

Fred Thompson (R) vs.
Hillary Clinton (D)

Fred Thompson (R)
 39%

Hillary Clinton (D)
 40%

John McCain (R) vs.
Hillary Clinton (D)

John McCain (R)
 42%

Hillary Clinton (D)
 39%

Oregon: Clinton Struggles in Blue State Against Republican Hopefuls
Thursday, August 16, 2007
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Oregon has cast its Electoral College votes for the Democrats in five consecutive Presidential Elections. However, even during that stretch, no Democrat has even earned more than 52% support in the state. Three of the five Democratic victories were earned with 47% of the vote or less.

If New York Senator Hillary Clinton is the Democratic nominee in Election 2008, it may take some work to keep Oregon in the Democratic column--51% of the state's voters currently have an unfavorable opinion of the Democratic frontrunner.

In general election Match-ups with top Republican candidates, the Oregon landscape looks very competitive. Clinton currently trails Arizona Senator John McCain by three percentage points. The former First Lady holds a statistically insignificant single point edge over both Rudy Giuliani and Fred Thomson while leading Mitt Romney by five.

by BDM 2007-08-16 04:32AM | 0 recs
Progressively more ironic...
Ah, so a "modern progressive" is someone who understands that lobbyists "represent real Americans".  Well, as the above photo suggests, she certainly knows about pork!
But please, enough with the meaningless national opinion polls - in the only states where the candidates are competing right now, the race is too close to call.  For more on that, see:
http://unitedagainsthillary.wordpress.co m
by SunWolf78 2007-08-16 05:47AM | 0 recs
Re: [UPDATE]Hillary: I am a modern progressive

All candidates take special interest money.

by DoIT 2007-08-16 06:03AM | 0 recs
A close friend volunteered with a women.

A women went to volunteer for Hillary in NH a few weeks ago, and was pretty excited about working on the campaign as much as possible.  But, when she showed up at the office and the Hillary folks found out she was legally blind they told her that they had nothing she could do.  Even though other volunteers were making phone calls and canvassing.

The women was quite upset - and decided to go see what she could do for Obama.

Obama's office sat and talked to her and found out she was a talented computer programmer - and has since found many ways she can help on the campaign.  Because in an inclusive America everybody has something to offer.

I'll let the story speak for itself - but I think it shows the mentality of the campaigns.

by CardBoard 2007-08-16 06:12AM | 0 recs
Re: A close friend volunteered with a women.

link please

by lonnette33 2007-08-16 06:14AM | 0 recs
Re: A close friend volunteered with a women.

Sorry no link this is a first hand account - I was there with her and my friend and I chatted with her about why she was volunteering.  My pal had most of the conversation, but this is the jist of it.  She was actually quite upset - she didn't want to support Obama after the Pakistan comments, but it was more important for her that she be involved in the race somehow - and after talking to the Campaign about what Obama really said she was more comfortable.

by CardBoard 2007-08-16 06:19AM | 0 recs
Re: A close friend volunteered with a women.

Yeah right.  

by bookgrl 2007-08-16 06:25AM | 0 recs
Re: A close friend volunteered with a women.

Something cool about the netroots is that we can go around the media, and the value of first hand accounts...when I go back up to NH I'll try to chat with this volunteer and see if she'll blog here why she is supporting Obama.

by CardBoard 2007-08-16 06:28AM | 0 recs
Re: [UPDATE]Hillary: I am a modern progressive

Give it a rest. lori debunked this assertion. Read lori's diary on the liberal voting record of Hillary and the other candidates. Hillary votes liberal! Plain and simple. I am sorry that you refuse to accept this FACT.

by lonnette33 2007-08-16 06:13AM | 0 recs
Re: [UPDATE]Hillary: I am a modern progressive

She can't say that nuclear war is a bad idea. She supports cluster bombs. That's progressive?

by Pope Jeremy 2007-08-16 06:50AM | 0 recs
Re: [UPDATE]Hillary: I am a modern progressive

I didn't realize that she supported the use of cluster bombs in Afghanistan in which many civilians are and will be killed.

by BDM 2007-08-16 06:54AM | 0 recs
Re: [UPDATE]Hillary: I am a modern progressive

yep - same thing with Land Mines

by CardBoard 2007-08-16 06:56AM | 0 recs

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