Mccain/Feingold Statement regarding possible regulation of Internet Political Activity

More discussion on the big issue facing the netroots--Chris

Hey everybody, this just crossed my email.  I haven't had time to dissect it yet, but thought I'd pass it along to all interested parties.  This is a joint statement issued from the offices of Sens. McCain and Feingold.  I've also included Feingold's testimony to the Committee of Rules and Administration this morning.

Warning, this is a loooong post.

Statement of Senators Russ Feingold and John McCain On Internet Communications

March 8, 2005

As the primary Senate authors of the Bipartisan Campaign Reform Act of 2002, we have spent years fighting to clean up elections and ensure that powerful monied interests do not drown out the voices of everyday Americans in our political system.  Those interests don't want to give up any of their power, and their main tactic has been to try to whip up fears, however unfounded and unrealistic, about reform.

The latest misinformation from the anti-reform crowd is the suggestion that our bill will require regulation of blogs and other Internet communications.  A recent federal court decision requires the Federal Election Commission to open a new rulemaking on Internet communications.  The FEC will be looking at whether and how paid advertising on the Internet should be treated, i.e., should it be treated differently than paid advertising on television or radio.  This is an Important issue -- since BCRA outlawed soft money, we need to make sure that the FEC doesn't try once again to subvert the law by creating loopholes.  So far, the FEC has not even proposed new regulations.  When it does so, there will be ample opportunity for comment and debate about whatever proposal the FEC makes.

This issue has nothing to with private citizens communicating on the Internet. There is simply no reason - none - to think that the FEC should or intends to regulate blogs or other Internet communications by private citizens. Suggestions to the contrary are simply the latest attempt by opponents of reform to whip up baseless fears. BCRA was intended to empower ordinary citizens, and it has been successful in doing so.  We will continue to fight for that goal.

Senator Feingold's testimony:

Hearing to examine and discuss S. 271, a bill which reforms the regulatory and reporting structure of organizations registered under Section 527 of the Internal Revenue Code

March 8, 2005

Mr. Chairman, members of the Committee, I want to thank you for this opportunity to testify in favor S. 271, the 527 Reform Act.  This Committee is beginning to feel like a home away from home for Sen. McCain and me.  The first time we testified here, almost exactly a year ago, it had been eight years since our last appearance.  Now this is our third visit in a year.  It's good to be back.

I am very pleased that you have joined the reform team, Mr. Chairman, and indeed, have taken a leadership role on this bill. I enjoy working with you and I am very hopeful about what we can accomplish together this year.  I also want to thank the Ranking Member, Senator Dodd, for all he has done for campaign finance reform over the Years.  I look forward to working with him on this legislation as well.

Mr. Chairman, let me be very clear, the reason we are here today is not because of a loophole in the McCain-Feingold bill.  Rather, we are here because the FEC has failed to do its job enforcing a law that is now over 30 years old.

Our bill, as you know, was concerned with the raising and spending of soft money by the political parties, and with phony issue ads run by outside groups in proximity to an election.  And it worked, despite a campaign of misinformation that lives on today with false and misleading attacks.  For example, last week the charge was made that McCain-Feingold would go after bloggers.  Nothing could be further from the truth, as you know.

The fact is the real result of the McCain-Feingold bill is that members of Congress are no longer calling up CEOs or union leaders and asking them for huge contributions to the political parties.  We ended the corrupting influence of unlimited corporate, union, and individual contributions.  Some thought this would destroy the parties - in fact, they have flourished.  In the last election, for the first time in nearly two decades, our parties and our candidates concentrated on raising money from average citizens empowered by our
reform effort.  And they raised more hard money in 2004 than they had raised in soft and hard money combined in the 2000 cycle.

The last thing we need to do is reopen the big money game by raising the hard money limits, as I have heard that some want to do.  We significantly raised the limits in the McCain-Feingold bill.  We indexed most of those numbers for inflation.  The parties are doing fine under these new limits; let's not tempt fate by reopening that issue on this bill.  Indeed, this bill must not be used as a vehicle to reopen any provision of BCRA.

As we have said for over a year, the question of whether and how 527s should be regulated in their fundraising and in their spending on other activities is a question that should have been answered under the Federal Election Campaign Act passed by Congress in 1974, and upheld and modified by the Supreme Court in the Buckley case.  Our position is and has been from the outset that S. 271 is simply a clarification of existing law.

I was struck by the testimony of Prof. Hill, who you will hear from later today, about the game of what she calls "statutory arbitrage" that has been going on. Lawyers for politically active organizations realized the tax advantages of the 527 tax status, which also dates back to the 1974 law, and worked hard to convince the IRS that they qualified for it because their work is partisan and political, while at the same time arguing to the FEC that they are actually engaged in issue advocacy and nonpartisan efforts so they shouldn't have to register as political committees.  The FEC could have called a halt to this last year prior to the general election, but it dropped the ball. Congress has to end this game now and this bill is the way to do it.

I say this bill is the way to do it, but that doesn't mean I am wedded to every section and every provision, or that improvements cannot be made.  This is complicated stuff because we do not want to regulate 501(c) organizations, and we do not want to regulate organizations who work only on state elections and whose activities do not influence Federal elections. As I said before the Senate Rules Committee nearly one year ago today, care must be taken not to chill the legitimate activities of 501(c) advocacy organizations that do not have the primary purpose of influencing elections.

We remain very serious about that today.  I urge the Committee to work with us, and help us repair any problems you may find.  Don't just assume, as some of our critics do, that if there is a flaw in the language, we must have some dark and hidden motive.  I think, for example, that Commissioner Mason, who you will hear from later, has identified some important points that may need to be clarified or fine-tuned in this bill.  Even though he was part of the group at the FEC who rejected the effort to regulate the 527s last year, I don't by any means reject his constructive criticisms and analysis out of hand.

But I also ask you to make sure to read the bill carefully before believing that the critics have caught a flaw.  I have heard, for example, that one critique floating around says that our bill will cover state candidates and parties.  It won't. Note the reference to section 527(i)(5) of the Internal Revenue Code in the exceptions on page three of the bill.  One of your witnesses in this hearing argues in his testimony that since our bill applies to organizations "described in section 527" that means that the FEC can go after 501(c) organizations and claim that they are really 527s and should be covered.  Not true.  Read section 527(i)(1) of the Code which states very clearly that an organization is not described in section 527 unless it has given notice to the IRS that it should be treated as a 527.  Our bill covers groups that have self-declared themselves as 527s, meaning that they are partisan, political organizations.

I mention these arcane and technical issues as a word of caution to the Committee. There are a lot of people out there who like the status quo just fine.  They will come at you hard with more misinformation, obscure hypotheticals, and doomsday scenarios.  For example, there is a petition circulating for groups to oppose this bill because it will cause state ballot initiative organizations to become federal political committees.  The fact is we have an explicit exception for state ballot initiative groups.  It's right there in subparagraph (C)(ii) on page four of the bill. If we've written it wrong, we will be happy to work with the Committee and fix it.  But the folks who circulated this petition are not interested in fixing that provision; they are interested in killing the bill.  Why?  Because they want very rich individuals to continue to be able to give millions of dollars for ads and GOTV drives that attack one or the other of the presidential candidates.  They want to see the system that brought us Swift Boat Veterans for Truth on the right and the Media Fund on the left in 2004 to survive and flourish in 2006, 2008, and beyond.

These same people wish we hadn't banned soft money to the parties and ended phony issue ads paid for with soft money in BCRA.  But we did.  And we're not going back.  Now they don't want us to put a stop to the statutory arbitrage that is letting 527 organizations do an end run around the campaign laws. But we will, with your help.  Our citizens deserve a political system that empowers them, as McCain-Feingold did, not wealthy individuals and powerful special interests. This bill is yet another step in putting average citizens in control of their democracy and in ending the cynicism and apathy that result from a system where their voices are drowned out by powerful special interests.

Working together, we can take the next step. Thank you again for the opportunity to testify.

It sounds to me like the 527s are in the crosshairs.  And while Senator Feingold maintains that bloggers will not be effected by this law, I am of the opinion that we need this in writing as a subsection of the bill.  In addition, I'm concerned with the section about internet advertising.  We still do not have an acceptable answer to the question of whether blogads would be subject to the FEC laws.

If I can make it happen, BlogPAC will have another conference call with Sen. Feingold later this week or early next week regarding this bill.  Hopefully we'll be able to get more clarification.

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57 Comments

if you made it this far....
i salute you!
by annatopia 2005-03-08 07:20AM | 0 recs
thx n/t
by fng 2005-03-08 07:42AM | 0 recs
sorry
I think they're either dodging the issue, or being woefully myopic. It's pretty clear to many that BCRA's explicit intent to regulate coordination will necessarily force the FEC into intrusive and suspicious posture toward blogs, grassroots supporter websites, mailing lists, and other similar online activity. This will happen regardless of whether McCain and Feingold intended for this to happen. On initial review, this statement reads like a CYA doctor's note.
by bi66er 2005-03-08 07:40AM | 0 recs
Re: sorry
i think this is a bit of a dodge as well, now that i've had time to read it carefully.  and chris mentioned yesterday that posts like chuck pennachio's might be subject to FEC regulation.  that in itself would really put a wall between the people and their representatives in washington (and elsewhere, of course).  the trend of politicians reachign out to the blogosphere is something we should nurture, not regulate.  it's part of making our pols more accountable and responsive.  any legislation that would much that up, well, i'm against it.
by annatopia 2005-03-08 08:03AM | 0 recs
Re: sorry
What would the difference be between MyDD being open to Chuck for posting and feedback versus ABC giving George W. Bush free airtime the week before the election to press his case to voters?
by Adam B 2005-03-08 08:19AM | 0 recs
Re: sorry
ABC's exempted. Blogs are not
by Chris Bowers 2005-03-08 08:29AM | 0 recs
Re: sorry
And yet, it's the that's presently exempt which is the more noxious of the two.  Go figure.
by Adam B 2005-03-08 09:29AM | 0 recs
Chuck's post
would probably qualify as a contribution of the same amount that a person normally has to pay to post here -- in my experience thus far, $0.00 (and no tenths).

I don't see any indication that what's actually being contemplated is an attack on blogs. Blog entries are not ads, any more than magazine articles are ads. Linking to a campaign website is not a contribution, any more than printing other campaign contact information.

That doesn't mean keeping an eye on the process isn't a good idea, I just don't think they mean to run MyDD or anybody else out of business.

by catastrophile 2005-03-08 09:05AM | 0 recs
my concerns
first, would a candidate running a blogad leave a blogger open to possible regulation?

second, how does this affect bundled donations? (mentioned by chris downthread)

third, would this regulate certain forms of speech on the internet (such as the pennachio post)?

by annatopia 2005-03-08 09:16AM | 0 recs
I would expect
that Internet matters would be treated the same way as their IRL analogs.

A paid blogad is a commercial transaction, and there's no reason why buying a blogad should be any different than buying a billboard or print ad.

I'd expect that ActBlue's bundled donations would be handled roughly the same way that the bundled donations of Gee-Dub's Pioneers and Rangers are handled.

Third, I don't see why blog posts would be regulated any more than editorials, letters to the editor, or magazine articles are.

If new regulations would somehow place more restrictions on the Internet than on other media, sure, that's wrong. But I'm detecting a reflexive opposition to any regulation of Internet campaign spending, which to me just seems silly. Understandable, but ultimately counterproductive.

by catastrophile 2005-03-08 10:19AM | 0 recs
Re: I would expect
Exactly right. Campaign finance reform is about just that: finance. Blogads are ads. Therefore, the money used to buy them should be regulated, just like all political money, but any CFR law that regulates the contents of a blog post is overstepping the bounds of the Constitution.
by craverguy 2005-03-08 10:34AM | 0 recs
hope you're right
your explanation makes sense.  with that being said, what happens to groups like ACT?  the 527s are going to get hammered by this legislation.  not neccessarily saying that's a bad thing; after all making an end run around CFR should be illegal.  i wonder if they'd be able to reincorporate as 501(c)s.
by annatopia 2005-03-08 11:23AM | 0 recs
I guess they'd be PACs
or "think tanks" or the like. That one's out of my depth.
by catastrophile 2005-03-08 11:39AM | 0 recs
Re: hope you're right
Totally, and I was hoping to see more discussion of the 501(c) issue in the testimony above.  Why are they not closing up this obvious loophole?
by Valatan 2005-03-08 11:40AM | 0 recs
What happens to this bill in conference?
Anything at all could be inserted into this bill in the Sentate/House conference committee. I don't trust Feinstein any furthur than I trust Condileeza Rice. Feinstein voted the bankruptcy bill out of committee and is just as culpable as Biden, Kohl and Lieberman.
by Gary Boatwright 2005-03-08 11:16AM | 0 recs
Re: What happens to this bill in conference?
You're confusing Fein*gold* with Fein*stein*.
by craverguy 2005-03-08 11:21AM | 0 recs
Re: What happens to this bill in conference?
Not at all. Feingold is the genuine liberal who may run for President. Feinstein is a corporate scum bag in liberal clothing. Feinstein supported the Iraq War, personally testified on Condi's behalf and voted the bankruptcy bill out of committee with Kohl and Biden.

Feinstein is a DLC hack, just like Lieberman and Biden. Feinstein at least as bad as McCain, and possibly worse because she give bi-partisan cover to Bush policies. The only reason she didn't vote for cloture is because her vote wasn't needed. She has a $3 million war chest and it isn't all from $50 contributions from constituents.

by Gary Boatwright 2005-03-08 11:53AM | 0 recs
Soft Money
Would small contributions, bundled into a PAC like Act Blue, and then donated to a candidate, be considered soft money? Does anyone know?
by Chris Bowers 2005-03-08 08:38AM | 0 recs
no idea
that's one of the things i want to ask about on the conference call (provided we can make that happen).
by annatopia 2005-03-08 08:41AM | 0 recs
Re: Soft Money
Pages 102-104 of this FEC publication cover the reporting requirements.  It would only account against the PAC's limits if the PAC controlled where the money went, rather than the individual donors.
by Adam B 2005-03-08 09:42AM | 0 recs
Re: Soft Money

Money given to a candidate by a PAC is aways HARD money. Money spent by corporations or unions for things like get-out-the-vote efforts or when they used to run "issue ads" during the elections, that's all soft money.

Here's a quick link I found that explains the difference:

http://money.howstuffworks.com/question498.htm

by PanettaMike 2005-03-08 11:22AM | 0 recs
We just had a bill
what is wrong with the status quo? I don't follow.
by Paul Goodman 2005-03-08 10:35AM | 0 recs
Re: We just had a bill
The status quo doesn't address internet-based campaign activity.  There needs to be a sheriff in the wild wild west, even if he's a fairly libertarian one.
by Adam B 2005-03-08 10:38AM | 0 recs
Re: We just had a bill
queen, that would be your worst nightmare.
I'm a libertarian. trust me.  if you want
a sheriff, make him a republican. a good
ol' boy. libertarians are great air traffic
controllers but give them a gun in their
hand and they want to go hollow out
the cartridges and learn how to make
rocket fuel from the grain residue.

Now, I'm not saying I wouldn't be a good
sheriff. I'm just saying, let the GOP
try to police the internet. The libs
don't need any more patsy jobs. We're
defending the constitution, and the presidency will do just fine, in 2008 thank you very much.

by turnerbroadcasting 2005-03-08 11:17AM | 0 recs
What's the problem?
Why do we need a sheriff? What is the crime being addressed by this bill? As far as I can tell the "harm" is speculative and the damage this bill does is very intrusive.

Show me the problem that this legislation is supposed to be addressing. I don't see it.

by Gary Boatwright 2005-03-08 11:18AM | 0 recs
Re: What's the problem?
  1.  There is no legislation yet.  There is an order from the DC District Court that the FEC engage in rulemaking to cover a gap.

  2.  I'll give you one scenario: Wal*Mart adds to its retail website (using its visitor tracking software) an ad on each page encouraging you to support local Representative [X] (R-your state) as being a Friend of Wal*Mart, including a link to contribute to his next campaign.  It's currently illegal to corporations to contribute one dime to campaigns now, so how would you like this to be treated?

Or another: Healthcare Corporation of America buys BillFrist.com, links to a website on its server that promotes his presidential campaign.  Problem?
by Adam B 2005-03-08 11:22AM | 0 recs
Re: What's the problem?
Not at all. Walmart and Pharma don't need the internet. It would be a waste of their time and energy. It also would not be effective or accomplish anything their high priced lobbyists could not accomplish.

The internet is not a corporate fund raising tool. The internet is not a medium that lends itself to corporate political domination.

Any legislation that affects the internet will only hurt free speech and grass/netroot activists. This legislation is a trojan horse. Don't kid yourself or us.

by Gary Boatwright 2005-03-08 11:56AM | 0 recs
Re: What's the problem?
All CFR hurts free speech, by definition.  

I'm just suggesting  a way in which Wal*Mart could bypass existing CFR to encourage its shoppers to donate to favored candidates.

by Adam B 2005-03-08 12:23PM | 0 recs
Re: We just had a bill
nothing. status quo is just fine. and
there's always that oil rig in the
north sea, if we don't agree with these
jokers. >:)
by turnerbroadcasting 2005-03-08 11:18AM | 0 recs
What BlogPAC (or someone else) Should Do
Here's what I suggest for this debate:

  1. Have a thread somewhere where all the questions that bloggers have about using their blogs for political activities can be posted, vetted, and discussed. (Can I post a link to a candidate site?, Can I bundle donations?, Do I have to report money made from blog ads? etc.)

  2. Compile the best questions that are not addressed or are unclear under the current system and put them together and submit them as an Advisory Opinion Request to the FEC. (I think this needs to be done by an actual PAC)

They may not answer it if there is a current rule-making in process on the issue, but it will give the blogosphere and the FEC some common ground of what needs to be addressed by any rules put forward.

I've gotten and AO for the FEC before, so I'm willing to help with this.

by PanettaMike 2005-03-08 10:57AM | 0 recs
Re: What BlogPAC (or someone else) Should Do
I am aware of a project that it currently working on this.  Be patient.
by Adam B 2005-03-08 11:23AM | 0 recs
we may need to discuss this
i can't claim to speak for all of blogpac, but as a pac we should be able to do what you're suggesting.   also, soon there will be a joint statement coming from blogpac & some of the right-of-center bloggers.  this is truly a bipartisan issue that we can all rally around, should the proposed regulations prove intrusive.
by annatopia 2005-03-08 11:26AM | 0 recs
blogospheric disturbances at high altitude
have forced high flying media companies
to descend to truth level, forcing
them to burn more fuel.

requests for traffic control have been
denied. an area of heavy pressure,
centered around the heart of america,
has been identified.

forced to descend to earth, media entertaino-news companies are considering touching down and
getting their wheels dirty.

please extinguish all smoking gun materials
and put your html tables into their upright
position.  if you have a cellphone, learn
how to program it.

thank you.

by turnerbroadcasting 2005-03-08 11:14AM | 0 recs
Re: blogospheric disturbances at high altitude
That is the problem the media and both political parties don't like. They all lose control of the message. The medium is the message and if you don't like the message, then control the medium.

There has been absolutely no harm demonstrated that requires a legislative fix.

by Gary Boatwright 2005-03-08 11:20AM | 0 recs
Re: blogospheric disturbances at high altitude
Exactly, McCain and Fiengold keep talking about how we desperately need to bring CFR to the internet, but meanwhile what has actually happened here that they are so damn worried about reforming?

Give me an example!

Most people will point to the Thune bloggers, but as they've said, they were paid not for blogging, but for research, and at that, research handed over in print to their client. That trumps that, what's next?  

Their silence of examples is telling.

by Jerome Armstrong 2005-03-08 11:38AM | 0 recs
even on that one
What if the "research" is a sham and the campaign is, in effect, owning and controlling a media outlet in order to obtain the "media exemption" for its activities?

A campaign could decide, say, "We're going to put out all of our negative materials through these two blogs.  While the blogs will remain independent from our campaign, we'll pay the bloggers $2000/month in 'research' to, in effect, control their websites, said 'research' to consist of locating the telephone number for the nearest Domino's Pizza."

by Adam B 2005-03-08 11:47AM | 0 recs
So what?
Let me repeat again. So what?

The internet is not like cable or network television. It is not like clear channel. Let them take their best shot and let us take ours.

Corporations are not going to dominate the internet. Your examples are red herrings.

by Gary Boatwright 2005-03-08 11:59AM | 0 recs
A Parade of Horribles
That is a typical fallacy used to promote lousy legislation. All of your examples are hypothetical horribles that may or may not happen; that may or may not have harmful consequences.

Not only are your examples hypothetical, you still haven't identified a problem. What if corporations set up websites? What if they paid bloggers? So what?

What is the harm to freedom of speech or the political process? Don't just invent potential problems.

Identify the problem. I still haven't seen one.

by Gary Boatwright 2005-03-08 12:05PM | 0 recs
Re: A Parade of Horribles
If there is going to be CFR at all, it needs to be comprehensive.  If we are going to bar corporations from making direct donations to federal candidates in "real space", we cannot allow it to happen through the internet either.  

If we are going to have a "media exemption" designed to allow legitimate news organizations to freely discuss current affairs, we cannot allow it to be subverted through internet-based campaign-controlled speech.

by Adam B 2005-03-08 12:25PM | 0 recs
Re: A Parade of Horribles
You are mixing apples and coconuts. You also have not identified a problem that affects the internet.

Just because you have a problem with your transmission, doesn't mean you need to need to replace the water-pump.

These are two different problems entirely. In fact, you are still avoiding my challenge of identifying a problem with the internet that needs to be regulated.

This doesn't even make sense:

If we are going to have a "media exemption" designed to allow legitimate news organizations to freely discuss current affairs, we cannot allow it to be subverted through internet-based campaign-controlled speech.

If the media has an exemption to discuss current affairs, then we have to allow censorship on the internet? I don't know any way to state your argument any fairer. Would you like to take another shot? Now you seem to have your wires completely crossed.

How do you "subvert" free speech in the media with internet based speech? What is "campaign-controlled speech"? Why shouldn't corporations or campaigns be allowed the same access to the internet as regular citizens?

I still don't see the problem. Please try again.

by Gary Boatwright 2005-03-08 12:59PM | 0 recs
Re: A Parade of Horribles
I'll fill in some of the gaps from before.

The difference between the internet and other forms of media is that it is vastly easier for a campaign or non-media corporation to own or control a website than it is for them to own or control a legitimate newspaper, television station or radio station.  (Costs of entry being the primary factor).

Because of that, in the non-internet realm, the media exception makes sense, because it's hard for the media not to be independent.  

On the internet, however, (a) without clearly defined rules, corporations could engage in unlimited political activity forbidden in real space; and (b) corporations and campaigns could exploit the "media exception" to engage in speech activities otherwise forbidden to them through other media.

All this stems from the fundamental purpose of CFR: to reduce the influence on money on politics by controlling who can give, and how much, and by forcing disclosure of where and how it is spent.

by Adam B 2005-03-08 01:11PM | 0 recs
Re: A Parade of Horribles
On the internet, however, (a) without clearly defined rules, corporations could engage in unlimited political activity forbidden in real space; and (b) corporations and campaigns could exploit the "media exception" to engage in speech activities otherwise forbidden to them through other media.

What speech activity is forbidden in other media? You are assuming some bizarre corporate dominance of the media that does not exist.

You want to violate my right to free speech because corporations might do something that might have horrible consequences, that you can't identify.

If you want to try putting together a coherent diary, we can start over. So far your complaints have exhibited fuzzy logic and only theoretical harm that may not occur.

by Gary Boatwright 2005-03-08 01:49PM | 0 recs
Re: A Parade of Horribles
Corporations cannot engage in political activity right now.  They have to do so through separate, segregated PACs.  Something like DeLay's proposal would have eviscerated that.

I don't want to violate anyone's speech activities; at most, there might be disclosure and reporting requirements for extremely high-value internet speech.

by Adam B 2005-03-08 03:54PM | 0 recs
Re: A Parade of Horribles
I understand what you are saying, and even if its devils advocate, its good. But what example do you have?  Given 2004's centested status, anything that could have effectively been done was, people were trying it all, and what's the corrosive example?

That it "could" is just not good enough, especially given we've lived for 2 1/2 hears with the internet being without regulation, and there's not even been an example to be cited!

by Jerome Armstrong 2005-03-08 02:01PM | 0 recs
Re: A Parade of Horribles
Well, it's not unregulated; the FEC could swoop in and decide to stop something if it were tried.  In the absence of clear rules, it's hard to take big risks.

Mostly, I got scared by the DeLay proposal, which would have opened lots of doors best left closed in terms of eviscerating CFR.

An ideal regulation makes this space little different from "real" space.  Fundraising, advertising and coordination are the key areas.

by Adam B 2005-03-08 03:58PM | 0 recs
The real problem
that I see that needs a solution is that, as Jon Stewart said, is that the standard of truth for political ads is far, far lower than it is for a bar of soap, or NEW Lipitor or whatever.

I know that political speech has a special 1st amendment status, but there should be some consequences when the swift boat liars just make shit up

by Valatan 2005-03-08 11:48AM | 0 recs
For the record
I would suggest that the left/right blog coalition ought to avoid putting any fix on the 527 bill, and instead insist on an independent solution that we can all support and still sleep at night.

;)

by mkrempasky 2005-03-08 12:10PM | 0 recs
Re: For the record
Exactly! This legislation is mixing apples and coconuts.

I'm still waiting for someone to identify a problem with the web that needs to be fixed. All I see is an effort at unjustified censorship.

What's the problem that needs to be fixed?

by Gary Boatwright 2005-03-08 12:25PM | 0 recs
How is it censorship
to treat Internet advertising the same as other media for campaign finance purposes? If it's unjustified on the web, isn't it unjustified in print media as well?

Besides, as far as I can tell, there is no legislation on 'Net regulations yet, only a court-mandated plan to create some rules, so how can it be unjustified or censorship if it doesn't exist yet?

All we have to go on is the public speculation of a Reep appointee whose motives are suspect.

by catastrophile 2005-03-08 12:56PM | 0 recs
Re: How is it censorship
Maybe you can start by defining what you mean by "internet advertising", because then you'll have created a standard for coordination, and what constitutes value... by that time, after the hop and skip, comes the jump to making sure in-kinds of the very same value do not exceed contribution limits.
by Jerome Armstrong 2005-03-08 02:04PM | 0 recs
As I understand it,
"value" is something people would normally pay for, which excludes participation in an online forum or blog;

"advertising" means devoting space solely to a given entity's message, as opposed to voicing your support for, or making reference to, such a message; and

"coordination" amounts to giving a candidate or campaign a say in the use of your advertising value, as opposed to speaking your own mind and supporting or decrying issues and candidates as you see fit, or allowing candidates to participate in a discussion.

Do editorial endorsements count as "in-kinds"? Does Rush Limbaugh's daily broadcast count against his contribution limits? When a Presidential candidate appears on Oprah, does she get slapped with a fine?

What am I missing here?

by catastrophile 2005-03-08 03:02PM | 0 recs
That doesn't sound right . . .
I should have said, "when a Presidential candidate appears on Oprah's show . . ."
by catastrophile 2005-03-08 03:04PM | 0 recs
Re: How is it censorship
It is not being treated the same and it cannot be treated the same. Any legislation that lumps internet activity in with television or print media is going to censor free speech on the net.

I still haven't seen anybody identify any real world abuse that is occuring on the internet. USA Next ran some rude ads against AARP. How are you going to stop that?

I say leave the net alone until a real problem is identified, not some mysterious future harm.

by Gary Boatwright 2005-03-08 02:40PM | 0 recs
I don't have anything
I can point to and say "here, this is why this needs to happen." On that we are in agreement. However, the simple fact is that there is presently no need to argue in favor of it -- it's been ordered, it's going to happen.

Now the ball is in your court. The burden is on those who want it reversed to explain why regulation of political advertising on the 'Net would somehow be inherently more onerous than what already takes place everywhere else.

It's not up to anyone to prove there's a problem, it's up to you to prove that the Internet is special and unique and deserves the exemption. Just saying "the Internet is special and unique and deserves the exemption" doesn't cut it.

Since I don't buy the argument that blogs, even partisan blogs, will be somehow censored by extending CFR to the 'Net, I can't find any reason in my own mind to paint myself blue and ride into battle over this thing. Does not compute. Sorry.

by catastrophile 2005-03-08 03:57PM | 0 recs
But you are a 527
not a blog. Am I missing something?
by Coldblue 2005-03-08 06:41PM | 0 recs
Prove it, Feingold
So far, all I've heard you say is "the blogs are safe" but you haven't set out exactly how and why they are safe.

This is too much like how Republicans claim to be against "privatization" but for "personal accounts".

I'm still going to sound the alarm.

by Phoenix Woman 2005-03-09 03:44AM | 0 recs
Could we get links to testimony?
Thanks--I'd like to look close at what they said.
by Robwaldeck 2005-03-09 10:39AM | 0 recs

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