Want to Know What Keeps Her Going?

Hillary's been traveling the country talking with folks like us for the past 15 months and the current calls for her to give it up certainly don't mark the first time her opponents have tried to force her out of this race.  But she's shown us time and time again that the pundits were wrong in saying she's finished.  She fought back before and she's fighting back now because she's just that tough. Heck, Hillary's been taking the heat from the haters for 15 years or more so I'm amazed she even wanted to get into this thing in the first place after the way they've gone after her and her family over the years.

But she's fighting for the chance to take on McCain in the general election and make it to the White House.  She knows we're counting on her - we believe she can and will make a huge and positive difference in our lives once she makes it to the White House and she hears us loud and clear.

I can't begin to imagine the number of people she's met over the years.  Folks tell her their stories of why they need her experience, strength and help.  They share with her their nightmares in getting health care for their kids, or of how they're about to lose their home to the bank because they got laid off 2 years ago and can't find work.

She also hears from those of us who beg her never to give up this fight.  We send her notes and hand her cards with encouraging words, reminding her of how desperately we need her in the Oval Office.  We're counting on her and she knows it - and that's what keeps her strong. That's what keeps her from giving up.  She gets out there every single morning - stays on message and by suiting up and showing up she shows us she's in this thing to win it.

For us.

For the parents who go out of our way to bring our kids out to hear Hillary speak.  And for some of the folks who meet her or send her notes along the way.  Take for instance some of the folks mentioned on her campaign's blog...  

What People Are Saying Across West Virginia

...just wanted to drop a line to tell you about one of your amazing supporters in WV. This would be my cousin Kathy. In the last past year she has been through open heart surgery and leukemia. She got out of the hospital about a month and half ago in remission. Tonight I was getting on the interstate to go to Clarksburg, and who do I see - my cousin Kathy standing on the side of the road waving a Hillary sign.  That is true heart. Like me, she was raised by a mother who taught her to be independent and never set limitations. I won't vote for you for president because you are a woman. I will vote for you because of your experience, intelligence and because I feel you truly want to help this country. The fact that you are a woman...is a bonus. Oh, and I'm fairly certain my husband, son, and nephew will be voting for you, also. Good Luck!  

-Julie L. from Fairmont

And then there's an 11 year-old boy in Kentucky who sold everything dear to him to raise money for Hillary's historic run for the White House - including his bike.  This child has given up so much to help Hillary continue her fight to help us.  I want you to meet Dalton Hatfield - one remarkable kid who's behind Hillary 1000%.

11-year-old gives $440 to Clinton campaign

When Hatfield presented former President Bill Clinton with a check for $440 after Friday's rally at the Williamson Fire Station, the man who was once the leader of the free world seemed to nearly come to tears.

"You sold your bike to get this?" Clinton asked the McAndrews, Ky. native.

The reply was "yes" and a whole lot more.

Hatfield feels so strongly that Hillary Clinton should be the next president he not only sold his bicycle, but video games and anything else he could find that "I could make money with" to donate to the former first lady's bid for the Democratic nomination.

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The result was a donation that for the most part left the former president, who is known as a great communicator, speechless.

He did, however, autograph a photo of himself and Hillary for the young man, and told him he was "going to call Hillary" right away and tell her about his generosity.

"She's going to be talking about you all over the nation," Clinton said.

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And the reason he's such a staunch Hillary supporter?

"I think she can do just like Bill Clinton did in the '90s and we can have a good economy," he says. "I think the majority of people around here are struggling due to the economy. And she can get us out of the war."

What's that old saying?  From the mouths of babes...? This kid's a whole lot smarter than a lot of grown-ups, talking heads and so-called political experts you guys.  He sees what millions of us see in Hillary - a dedicated, determined, capable public servant who also happens to be our best and only shot at beating McCain come November.

If he can understand this basic point - give up so much of what's important to him to help make her victory a realty, then why in the hell can't those superdelegates out there see it?

Children see a whole lot more than we give them credit for guys.  We'd be wise to listen more and talk less when we're with them.

And to all you undeclared Superdelegates out there, take a look at what this child has done for his candidate.  He believes in Hillary just as millions of us out here in your districts and states believe in her.  We know she's got what it takes to beat McCain and lead our country.  She's a tried and true Democrat and a real champion.  So I'm asking you to think long and hard about more than just who'll offer you a cushy job in their administration - but about what's best for our nation.

Because this isn't about you - it's about us.

I'm certain that if you look past the spin and drown out the noise, you'll understand that the only choice is Hillary.  She needs you - we need her.  Please don't let us down.

In the meantime, if Dalton can give up so much to help our gal to victory, I want the rest of you to think of what more you can to do to help Hillary make it.  Think back to when you were 11, and the freedom your bike meant to you at that age.  This kid gave up his bike for the cause - a rare and noble sacrifice for any kid.  Can you give up your morning cup of Starbucks or Dunkin' Donuts coffee?  Or brown-bag it for lunch for the next few weeks and scrape together another $50 or $100 for the cause?

She needs us to back her up with more than just words if she's going to make it to the Oval Office.  We need her there - help her make it with another donation.

         

HELP HILLARY FIGHT ON - CONTRIBUTE NOW!

Tags: 2008 elections, Hillary Clinton, president, sunny optimism, West Virginia (all tags)

Comments

247 Comments

Re: Want to Know What Keeps Her Going?

She's doing this for us gang.

by alegre 2008-05-12 05:53PM | 0 recs
Re: Want to Know What Keeps Her Going?

... and I'm doing this for my two beautfil kids.

by alegre 2008-05-12 06:06PM | 0 recs
ugh

doesn't it bother you just a little bit they would deny this youngster a bike when they know his $400 would only give them a marginal pr bump.

These elitists have over a hundred million in the bank.

Maybe chelsea could give the little tyke one of the bikes she sure didn't do without when she was young.

by ameridad 2008-05-12 06:12PM | 0 recs
Wow - Way to Miss The Point

First of all - nobody's denying this boy a thing.  If you'd bothered to read the diary or follow the link you'd know he did this on his own and with his mother's blessing.

Second of all... your comment attack on Chelsea paints a clear picture showing the difference between Hillary's supporters, and your candidates.  Thank you for making us look good.

by alegre 2008-05-12 06:17PM | 0 recs
Re: Wow - Way to Miss The Point

Alegre, how was the comment an attack on Chelsea? The poster didn't say anything mean about her, just that she could donate him one of her old bikes.

by politicsmatters 2008-05-12 06:27PM | 0 recs
It was an attack on decency, on kids, and hope

It was an attack on hope. We'd think you would be against that.

by catfish1 2008-05-12 07:04PM | 0 recs
Re: It was an attack on decency, on kids, and hope

You make a good point, but I was responding to a post that said it was an attack on Chelsea.

by politicsmatters 2008-05-12 07:06PM | 0 recs
Re: It was an attack on decency, on kids, and hope

The best part about eating catfish is getting to gut them first. I'm hopeful that I'll get to go fishing soon.

by zep93 2008-05-12 08:59PM | 0 recs
Re: It was an attack on decency, on kids, and hope

That's ludicrous. The best part about eating catfish is that they're yummy. The best part about cleaning catfish is that they don't have scales, and you can just peel the skin off. Gutting them is easily the worst part of the whole process, unless you're also deboning them which can be a big pain in the you-know-what.

And isn't your post a bit off-topic?

Oh, wait. I see what you did there. nm

by kydoc 2008-05-13 11:16AM | 0 recs
Re: The Bike

That kid with the bike is an inspirational story, no matter who you support.  

But the numbers tell us that it's the Obama campaign that has had far more grassroots contributions--much of it at very low $$ levels.  And I think that's one thing the SD's are looking at.  The Clinton campaign has had striking success raising small donations on line.  Unfortunately for them, the Obama campaign has had extraordinary success at it -- with smaller average donations.

I agree with Alegre that supers ought to care about this.  And if they do, it'll be another major reason to support Obama.

by deminva 2008-05-13 07:43AM | 0 recs
Re: ugh

I'd think your concern for the kid was sweet if I thought it was genuine.  His mother no doubt thinks this is a tremendous experience for him as any adult would, and will see to it that he gets a new bike.  Please don't strain yourself feeling for the child.

by Scotch 2008-05-12 06:21PM | 0 recs
Promise?

Do you promise to get the little guy a bike?

Why not just thank him for the gesture but politely decline the money. Let him keep his bike.

by ameridad 2008-05-12 06:37PM | 0 recs
Re: Promise?

I'll leave that up to his mother.  The word was will.

by Scotch 2008-05-12 06:40PM | 0 recs
Ignore Him

Seriously - they're trolling.  Not worth the bother.

by alegre 2008-05-12 06:46PM | 0 recs
Re: Ignore Him

Endorsed.

by Falsehood 2008-05-12 06:55PM | 0 recs
Re: Ignore Him

Yes.

Dalton rocks, and is a CLASSY kid.  Lovely kid.  

by ghost 2 2008-05-12 08:59PM | 0 recs
Re: Ignore Him

That makes one side of the transaction that was classy.

by lockewasright 2008-05-13 12:09AM | 0 recs
Re: Why not just thank him for the gesture

Because it was alot more than a mere 'gesture', and as such, being turned down by the Clinton's would have been to treat him like a child when he's clearly trying to transition to an adult. Or perhaps you're just jealous because you realize only a classy parent is capable of raising a classy child, 'dad'.

by phoenixdreamz 2008-05-12 06:57PM | 0 recs
Classy?

This CHILD is being lead to believe Hillary's presidency is so important he needs to give up all his toys.

He must then be terribly afraid of an Obama presidency.

You think that is cute?

by ameridad 2008-05-12 07:29PM | 0 recs
Re: Classy?

Many adults are "terribly afraid" of an Obama presidency. Just ask one of the 15 million not covered by his health insurance plan.

by KnowVox 2008-05-12 07:47PM | 0 recs
Re: Classy?

I see this a lot here.  I know that there is no mandate for adults in Obama's plan, but could you elaborate on how any of the "15 million" would not be covered if they did not want to be?  

by BlueInBoston 2008-05-12 08:39PM | 0 recs
Re: Classy?

She can't.  She just makes shit up.  It's her M.O.  Learned it from her candidate.

by lockewasright 2008-05-13 12:11AM | 0 recs
Re: Classy?

Oh, they'll want to be covered alright. The first trip to the emergency room oughta do it.

by KnowVox 2008-05-13 10:24AM | 0 recs
Oy

You assume his parents led him to do this, he didn't give up all his toys, and it's grossly cynical to conclude that his selfless act is rooted in terrible fear.

But thanks for responding. It sure explains alot.

by phoenixdreamz 2008-05-12 08:01PM | 0 recs
Rejecting gifts is rude

Yes, even to a kid. Especially to a kid who did this. It would be equivalent to saying you are just a little kid, you don't matter.

by catfish1 2008-05-12 07:06PM | 0 recs
he is just a kid

He is eleven.

It is pathetic this kid thought Hillary was so desperate for the money in the first place.

by ameridad 2008-05-12 07:27PM | 0 recs
They must not pay you enough

to post these comments. They bear a half-effort phone-it-in quality.

by catfish1 2008-05-12 07:37PM | 0 recs
effort proportional to

remaining relevance. It's all gravy at this point anyway.

by ameridad 2008-05-12 08:16PM | 0 recs
Re: Promise?

Yes, shame him for being too poor to make a "meaningful" contribution.

Oh, the hope and unity.

by redwagon 2008-05-13 10:15AM | 0 recs
Re: ugh

Don't be jealous because at 11, Dalton is far classier and more liberated than you!

The story warmed my heart to no end, and seeing that Dalton is a boy selling his bike to help Hillary become the first woman president was just icing on the cake.  There is lots of hope for him and his generation.  

This kid rocks, and has a fantastic mother to boot.  His Mom said, "Sure, go for it", and they all went to meet Bill Clinton.  In one of articles, Dalton is quoted saying that on a scale of 1-10, this day was a '12' for him.  He was ecstatic.  

by ghost 2 2008-05-12 09:05PM | 0 recs
Re: ugh

Mark Penn will be grateful for the money.  She still won't get the nomination.  Should have advised the kid to keep his bike.

by lockewasright 2008-05-13 12:15AM | 0 recs
Re: ugh

that's so sick. How humiliating that would be, to refuse it and tell him to buy a bike?  How patronizing.  The kid deserves to be part of her campaign and to enjoy her success. When she wins he'll know it was partly do to him. We'll all feel that way, her supporters, we're doing our best to let people know what a great candidate she is.  She's gracious, she would never humiliate someone like that, even if she thought it was a very big gesture from a very small boy. By the way, she's nice to everybody, she has empathy for others, she knows how to respect children, even if they can't yet vote.  

by anna shane 2008-05-12 09:30PM | 0 recs
Re: Want to Know What Keeps Her Going?
So is he:

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by Cheebs 2008-05-12 06:43PM | 0 recs
Re: Want to Know What Keeps Her Going?

What an adorable kid!

I don't know how he does it. If I had a little girl that young and sweet there's no way in hell I could spend nearly 2 years on the campaign trail.

by alegre 2008-05-12 06:48PM | 0 recs
Re: Want to Know What Keeps Her Going?

Well, that's why he takes days off now and then.

by politicsmatters 2008-05-12 06:50PM | 0 recs
Re: Want to Know What Keeps Her Going?

Few and far between. I'm so glad Michelle stayed in Chicago when Obama joined the Senate.

by Falsehood 2008-05-12 06:56PM | 0 recs
Re: Want to Know What Keeps Her Going?

his kids are cute. Did you see his video christmas card?  they're a photo op ready to happen.   I'd love to see them Dick Cheney's house, and then in 8 years in the white house. I'll be they all become close friends, it's always like that, it isn't personal, but they have to duke it out to find out which one holds up best.  

by anna shane 2008-05-12 09:32PM | 0 recs
indeed

Like millions of working class Americans that see nearly none of their children's growing years because they work insane hours trying to move their families forward, Obama understands the struggle and hours one needs to spend making peoples lives better.

His children, and ours, will thank him for it.

by ameridad 2008-05-12 06:54PM | 0 recs
Re: indeed

Don't count on it. My neighbor's kid said, "Dad, why were you so self-absorbed with greed, fame and fortune that you totally missed the few years I was home growing up?"

by KnowVox 2008-05-12 07:06PM | 0 recs
hmm

sounds like your neighbor had messed up priorities.

Good thing Obama has higher goals.

by ameridad 2008-05-12 07:24PM | 0 recs
then there are the kids who run away

from home, and break their parent's hearts!

by internetstar 2008-05-12 08:49PM | 0 recs
Just like Chelsea eh

Just asking since Bill was younger than Obama when he took office and since Hillary was a rainmaker at the Rose Law Firm.

Don't be moronic.

by Regenman 2008-05-12 11:24PM | 0 recs
Re: indeed

You are a relentless sour persimmon.

by deminva 2008-05-13 07:47AM | 0 recs
Obama downer comments

do not belong in the lovely story of this 11-year-old kid.

by catfish1 2008-05-12 07:07PM | 0 recs
Re: indeed

please just go away.  

by ghost 2 2008-05-12 09:07PM | 0 recs
Re: Want to Know What Keeps Her Going?

He's doing it for her.  It is amazing though.  I couldn't spend very long away from my toddlers.

by lockewasright 2008-05-13 12:17AM | 0 recs
Thanks for the diary, alegre. You are one

tireless individual. There is another, however, who is truly remarkable when it comes to resilience and perserverance. And we won't let her down.

You know, the cacaphony of calls for Hillary to drop out, the voices from Obama Nation telling us, "she can't win," or "Obama is now the nominee," well, their actions and their words betray their fears.  

by Rumarhazzit 2008-05-12 07:13PM | 0 recs
Re: Thanks for the diary, alegre. You are one

I never said that Clinton should drop out. And Obama won't clinch the nomination until after the KY and OR primaries.

by politicsmatters 2008-05-12 07:17PM | 0 recs
This is your problem right here:

Obama won't clinch the nomination until after the KY and OR primaries

Actually, NO ONE will "clinch" the nomination until the convention. It can be repeated a million zillion times, but it doesn't make it so.

by Rumarhazzit 2008-05-12 07:28PM | 0 recs
Re: This is your problem right here:

He will clinch it just as every other nominee in that position has -- and as every other nominee in that position has announced.

The "they don't vote until the convention" is true in the way that "the November election doesn't mean anything because the electors don't vote until January" is.

by politicsmatters 2008-05-12 07:31PM | 0 recs
Re: This is your problem right here:

NO!

He can clinch it by taking 2209 delegates, and preferably without superdelegates (who can change their minds, and their vote is only final at the convention.)

So, bring 2209 pledged delegates and the nomination is yours.  

Any other thing, however cleverly disguised, is asking Hillary to concede when she is running a close race.  She won't, so deal with it.  

by ghost 2 2008-05-12 09:11PM | 0 recs
How would you handle MI and FLA

which is what the 2209 number references?

by eyeball 2008-05-12 09:21PM | 0 recs
Re: How would you handle MI and FLA

2209 makes the resolution of MI and FL irrelevant.  

The number could be between 2025 and 2209.  The first indication is the meeting of RBC on May31st.  Even then, the states can take their challenge all the way to the convention.  

I am saying that if a candidate garners 2209 delegates, s/he has clinched the nomination.  The have the majority of the delegates under any circumstances.  That's the ONLY time a candidate can say that s/he has clinched the nomination.  

by ghost 2 2008-05-12 09:43PM | 0 recs
Not without 2209 votes!

No one can be named the nominee of the party without  half plus one of the delegates credentialed and seated at the convention.

Since the credentialing process is not yet complete, the only way one can be the nominee before the convention is to have half plus one of the maximum number possible for the convention or to drive out all of the competition to concede.

That number is 2209.  Any number short of that is illegitimate and so is any nominee who claims to have won with less.  Any media outlet that opts to reinforce such a fraudulent claim is interferring with the election process.

I would think that anyone with any political instincts would know from the getgo that we don't like coronations in this country, no matter who does it and who bows down.  It doesn't mean we can't be lied to , manipulated and fooled.  But when we find out we don't like it.

 It's an American value to be self determining and when we are in touch with our better selves, we value hard work, earning your way, telling it straight, standing up for the voiceless, playing fair and not letting men gang up on a woman.

In more and more parts of the country people are coming to feel that those values are being trashed by the Obama campaign and the media enabling it.  Commenters from Pennsylvania, for instance are asserting today that more voters are for Hillary now that on primary day because of the Obama forces. In the last few days dozens of long time Democratic activists have commented that they have concluded the process of re-registering as Independents.

If we can keep looking at the information on how Hillary actually did with different demographics that the conventional wisdom and lazy media say Obama rules, we see very active movement in her direction, especially with young people, white men and others Obama used to win.

Why is he unable to wait, even a few weeks before he does his most unseemly self-coronation?  What difference will a couple of weeks make, or a couple of months, for that matter?

I think he is afraid...afraid of what will come out soon...afraid of the changing numbers with voters losing interest in him...afraid tha Hillary's support among voters is growing and a drop in his own fundraising..afraid of the trials in Chicago...and tired of doing the work of actually winning the nomination so he is just going to take it.  Unless we stop him.

And we do that by raising up information and research and putting out to the press and the net and the superdelegates and potential voters. We have to stay on the press and the party leaders to demand accuracy, fairness and some education about what is really happening. And we find a way to get the money flowing for Hillary and she'll do the rest.

He did much less well in the Philly suburbs and getting the numbers of young and Black voters to come out to vote that were anticipated.  If we were doing this analysis and getting it out, we could help the superdelegates see where their self interests really are.

And don't think Hillary as the VP is the answer.  Most of the people who admire and support her can imagine how crushing such a move could be to her.  I have seen a lot of references to "9-5" type exploitation.

He has shown himself to be a user who doesn't value friends and associates and who doesn't like to contribute or work hard for what he gains.

 Besides read the Republican magazines and journals.  They are so ready for him.  His time in Chicago that we don't care to explore is something they are getting very familiar with.  That's what is going to take him down and Hillary will get stained from standing too close.

by itsadryheat 2008-05-12 10:03PM | 0 recs
Too bad Hillary is losing Pledged Delegate now.

Not a super, she pushed the idea that pledged delegates  could flip.  And one of hers just made it to the liferaft.

by Tumult 2008-05-12 11:25PM | 0 recs
Wrong in CA

If you ran the primary now, Hillary would not get 75% of the Asian American vote.  My particular age-group and the one below us are working hard to overcome the 1st generation perceptions towards blacks.  It won't be 75% Asian votes to Hillary if we did the election this week in CA.

by Regenman 2008-05-12 11:26PM | 0 recs
Re: Thanks for the diary, alegre. You are one

no one's talking about you, it's his surrogates, his campaign. he stays above it and he's all, let the little lady say as long as she likes, I've won already anyway.'  It's a bluff of course, he knows time is not on his side.  

by anna shane 2008-05-12 09:34PM | 0 recs
Re: Thanks for the diary, alegre. You are one

He only needs 17% of the remaining vote and he has clinched the majority of the delegates.

And Hillary just had one of her Pledged Delegates change to Obama.   Being able to have 1 million people working for your campaign in November improves your electability alot.  It also helps the rest of the Democrats with GOTV.

Unless something major happens to him, he has this won.

by Tumult 2008-05-12 11:33PM | 0 recs
Re: Thanks for the diary, alegre. You are one

That's been the rebuttal ever since those of us who understand mathematics starting pointing out that it was over back in February.  

Guess what.  Everything that has happened since then has supported the conclusions of the "math" proponents.  Say that it betrays our fears all you want.  That data is strongly to the contrary.  

His lead just keeps growing and the pool of delegates, both super and pledged, that remains just keeps shrinking.  If Obama loses WV, KY, and PR all by 65% - 35% margins and then can only manage to tie her in the other 3 remaining contests she will still need 75% of the remaining superdelegates in order to get the nomination.  

Tomorrow when he gets more superdelegates than her, just like he has every day since N.C., that number will jump up higher.  In fact, just like it did after Pennsylvania, if she doesn't win by a margin in WV (71%) that puts her on pace to catch up, she will be further from nomination as she will have to make up the pace elsewhere.

What d'ya figure those numbers do when he wins Oregon by 12%?

It IS over.

Y'all keep paying Mark Penn with little kids' bike money though.

by lockewasright 2008-05-13 12:29AM | 0 recs
Thanks Alegre for reminding us of the

belief millions have in Hillary.

by NewHampster 2008-05-12 05:56PM | 0 recs
Re: Thanks Alegre for reminding us of the

We are NOT alone NH.  Much as other bloggers would have us believe there are millions of us all around this land who back Hillary and need her in the Oval Office.

She's not in this to move up in rank or gain a better job - she's in this for us.

by alegre 2008-05-12 06:05PM | 0 recs
I thought she missed living in the WH

by NewHampster 2008-05-12 06:10PM | 0 recs
Re: I thought she missed living in the WH

LOL! :)

by alegre 2008-05-12 06:18PM | 0 recs
Re: I thought she missed living in the WH

I think she's certainly unhappy about what the new owners did with the place.

Especially the guy who occupied her old office :D

by Falsehood 2008-05-12 06:57PM | 0 recs
Re: HRC in the White House

Yep, the only "W" in the White House needs to be a woman.

by KnowVox 2008-05-12 07:07PM | 0 recs
Re: HRC in the White House

sexist

by lockewasright 2008-05-13 12:31AM | 0 recs
Re: I thought she missed living in the WH

she's not alone, all of us want him out out out. Did you notice the media hardly ever covers him these days, it's like he's already gone, except he isn't.   We have to win this one, another four years of pug rule will sink us even further. there is a big enough mess to clean up already.  

by anna shane 2008-05-12 09:37PM | 0 recs
Re: I thought she missed living in the WH

exactly why the McCain surrogate should get out of the way.

by lockewasright 2008-05-13 12:32AM | 0 recs
Re: I thought she missed living in the WH

what's that supposed to mean?  I hope you don't mean Hillary, she's going to beat him in November, meet him in September and beat him n November.  

by anna shane 2008-05-13 02:41PM | 0 recs
Inspiring.

I can't wait till she blows McCain out of the water in November, after the Dem party realizes how much better in the electoral college she'll do than Obama.

by DiamondJay 2008-05-12 05:58PM | 0 recs
Re: Inspiring.

Now that's math!

by ChitownDenny 2008-05-12 06:00PM | 0 recs
Re: Inspiring.

here's MATH; <270 electoral votes=LOSS. >270 electoral votes=WIN. political correctness is clouding the judgment to decide who will better reach it, with Obama supporters. Lest I remind you the general electorate, not the liberal Democrat primary has far fewer blacks, and is more conservative.

by DiamondJay 2008-05-12 06:21PM | 0 recs
Re: Inspiring.

I think http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/ has accurate numbers - what do you think of them?

by Falsehood 2008-05-12 06:58PM | 0 recs
Re: Inspiring.

Hey falsehood,

Not to give you grief but I asked about the electorial college count mentioned here on myDD. These numbers show that, at this time, in a match up between Sen. Obama and Sen McCain? Sen. McCain will win.  If Sen. Clinton runs against Sen. McCain? Sen. Clinton wins.
That's in the electorial college.

I didn't make this up and I asked specifically about these numbers in an earlier diary.

Kind of difficult to look past these numbers.

(the maps on either side of the myDD main page. Top right and left hand corners.

by 12 dogs and a blog 2008-05-12 07:12PM | 0 recs
Re: Inspiring.

mydd's numbers are cherry picked.

by politicsmatters 2008-05-12 07:18PM | 0 recs
Re: Inspiring.

cherry picked to follow the electoral college and how they poll in each state?  Hard to go wrong that way.  I'm sure things will change, that's why we need to watch him to see if he gets some momentum back.  Indiana must have hurt.  But, he's still gaming, pretending he's won and he'll crown himself, acting like she's silly. But he's played this one before, several times. IF he wants it he's going to have to win over her demographics.  It'll be interesting to watch?  

by anna shane 2008-05-12 09:40PM | 0 recs
Re: Inspiring.

Hey ya'll.

How goes it.

One of the reasons why a poster said they didn't trust these numbers was that they didn't know where the raw data came from and what the criteria was for evaluating them.

You've begun answer that question.

The data and criteria might have been "cherry picked" to reflect the decision making process of the electorial college. Seems prudent since it is the electorial college that is highly involved in the selection process. We could pick data and criteria that reflects the decision making process of used car dealers in Cleveland but that might not have much to do with the selection process. Unless of course they have a good track record for picking presidents. I didn't just say that last to be a jerk. There is a parallel to this example for the discussion.

Do you know what the criteria is for mydd's electorial college map. Would you be more specific.  I have a diary entry which asks specifically about the mydd electorial college maps would you answer there as well as here?

Thanks.

by 12 dogs and a blog 2008-05-13 07:21AM | 0 recs
Re: Inspiring.

good question, I've assumed it's the way each state polls, as opposed to all states at the same time.  How're you too?  Isn't this fun?  

by anna shane 2008-05-13 02:39PM | 0 recs
Re: Inspiring.

I'm okay for an old dawg whose been accused of not having a clue about what a feminist is. That lady on your diary didn't like me or you either. She was down right rude. To old folks. My family has been laughing about that. And I hoped that with age comes wisdom. Here I was told with my age came wrinkles and stupidity. :D

So let's find out. About this criteria.

by 12 dogs and a blog 2008-05-13 04:34PM | 0 recs
Re: Inspiring.

The Reason I don't like the MyDD numbers is twofold:

I don't know where they come from, and the don't show me how close a state is. Also, Poblano's site has the history of polls.

by Falsehood 2008-05-12 09:28PM | 0 recs
Re: Inspiring.

Hey ya Falsehood,

Okay. Let's find out where those numbers come from.

by 12 dogs and a blog 2008-05-13 07:11AM | 0 recs
Re: Inspiring.

Actually these number appear more accurate:

by KnowVox 2008-05-12 07:21PM | 0 recs
Re: Inspiring.

How well was Hillary polling before the primary?

What was it?

30 points?

Hillary supporters more than anybody should know that polls
don't mean much. The polls have really panned out for her swell.

by spacemanspiff 2008-05-12 07:32PM | 0 recs
Logic my friend

Don't try it here.  People have conveniently forgotten the poll numbers from 2007 and how Clinton was suppose to slam dunk 2008.

She ran a great opportunity into the ground with a lousy campaign.  You have to take responsibility for your mistakes.  She failed to have an sort of organization for the caucus states.  That's not Obama's fault that just poor leadership.  It's what we blame Bush for now.

by Regenman 2008-05-12 11:33PM | 0 recs
Political correctness?

And Hillary boosters call Obama supporters condescending.

by eyeball 2008-05-12 09:22PM | 0 recs
Re: Inspiring.

if you're into making shit up.

by lockewasright 2008-05-13 12:33AM | 0 recs
Re: Inspiring.

Well if you go by those maps up on the front page, she's clearly the stronger candidate against McCain.

by alegre 2008-05-12 06:08PM | 0 recs
Re: Inspiring.

YUP.

by ChitownDenny 2008-05-12 06:12PM | 0 recs
Re: Inspiring.

Not taking sides on one candidate or the other. I'm still deciding. But that is indeed what those maps on the main page do say.

Says in a matchup between Sen. Clinton and Sen. McCain? Sen. Clinton wins the electorial college.

In a Sen. Obama v. McCain matchup? Sen. Obama loses the electorial college.

Both seem to have improved at the same rate but advantage is still to Sen. Clinton.

I know. I asked.

by 12 dogs and a blog 2008-05-12 07:18PM | 0 recs
Re: Inspiring.

Those maps have cherry picked results.

by politicsmatters 2008-05-12 07:32PM | 0 recs
Re: Inspiring.

None of them ask why this is the only place were you can find that electoral map.  The rest of the reality based community doesn't have it close to that way.

Making shit up and then clinging to it doesn't avert reality.  It's pathetic really.

by lockewasright 2008-05-13 12:35AM | 0 recs
Re: Inspiring.

Hello Locke

You and I haven't crossed paths in quite a bit.

Do you know what criteria was used to determine the results of the MyDD Map?

Just saying you don't care for the results is not really going to sway minds here is it. Perhaps if you listed and compared the criteria of how the mydd maps were determined vs. the criteria of maps who you favor?
What are the criteria used by the electorial college for making up their minds in the presidential election process?

I actually posted a diary entry asking about these maps. I'm interested in how all this works.

Look forward to your reasoned response.

12 dogs.

by 12 dogs and a blog 2008-05-13 07:33AM | 0 recs
Re: Inspiring.

I'll bet that's what you thought too when the primary started.

by spacemanspiff 2008-05-12 07:33PM | 0 recs
Re: Inspiring.

True.  And if you go by Jerome Armstrong, Hillary Clinton has won in every single state.

The predictions of the election show very little difference between Hillary's likely performance and Obama's.  Sorry you don't believe it, but it's true.

Look at Poblano's 358 blog, which goes state by state and finds Obama doing a bit better than Hillary.  Look at bigtentdemocrat on talkleft - a very, very pro-Hillary blog - and see an estimate showing Hillary doing a hair better than Obama.  Look at theatlantic.com, Marc Ambinder - another pro-Hillary blogger, showing Obama with a clear path to the nomination.

And, if you don't like any of those, just look at every head-to-head matchup between Obama and McCain.  Obama does at least as well in these matchups as Clinton does.

So, Jerome found one outfit that shows HRC doing much better than Obama.  Big, big surprise.

by TL 2008-05-12 08:07PM | 0 recs
Re: Want to Know What Keeps Her Going?

Thank you, Alegre. I'm sure you're right, just as I would hope you will acknowledge that Obama is also running hard because he hears from voters who support him and because he wants to make this country better for all.

by politicsmatters 2008-05-12 06:01PM | 0 recs
Re: Want to Know What Keeps Her Going?

Not really, epsecially if you're one of the 15 MILLION he's leaving out of his health care plan. Or if you're a woman in Illinois facing a reproductive health issue, when he voted "present" instead of protecting your rights. Then there's that damn Cheney energy bill he voted for, when gas prices are sky high. That doesn't sound like a better country to most of us progressives.

by KnowVox 2008-05-12 07:27PM | 0 recs
Re: Want to Know What Keeps Her Going?

Still don't get the present vote?
"We worked on the 'present' vote strategy with Obama," said Pam Sutherland, chief lobbyist for the Illinois branch of Planned Parenthood, an abortion rights group. "He was willing to vote 'no', and was always going to be a 'no' vote for us."

Sutherland said Planned Parenthood calculated that a 'present' vote by Obama would encourage other senators to cast a similar vote, rather than voting for the legislation. "They were worried about direct mail pieces against them. The more senators voted present, the harder it was to mount an issues campaign against the senator."
http://blog.washingtonpost.com/fact-chec ker/2008/02/obamas_voting_record_on_abor ti_1.html

And health care? Obama doesn't leave anyone out. Your figure is the number that would decide not to buy insurance and most policy experts think the number would be about the same under Clinton's mandate unless she docked wages, in which case, people would be in grave financial trouble.

by politicsmatters 2008-05-12 07:35PM | 0 recs
Re: Want to Know What Keeps Her Going?

How can any progressive vote for some one who voted to authorize the use of military force in Iraq.

That is why I support Obama. I am a vietnam veteran and knows what war is about and it is not pretty,

Of course Clinton doesn't have to worry for none of her family has to go to war.

by BDM 2008-05-12 08:23PM | 0 recs
Re: Want to Know What Keeps Her Going?

Abortion: From Illinois National Organization for Women:

Obama Was Present, But He Was Not There On Issues That Mattered to Illinois Women

During Senator Obama's 2004 senate campaign, the Illinois NOW PAC did not recommend the endorsement of Obama for U.S. Senate because he refused to stand up for a woman's right to choose and repeatedly voted `present' on important legislation.

As a State Senator, Barack Obama voted `present' on seven abortion bills, including a ban on 'partial birth abortion,' two parental notification laws and three 'born alive' bills.  In each case, the right vote was clear, but Senator Obama chose political cover over standing and fighting for his convictions.

"When we needed someone to take a stand, Senator Obama took a pass," said Grabenhofer. "He wasn't there for us then and we don't expect him to be now."

Healthcare: From Factcheck.org:

Clinton said that Obama's health care plan would leave 15 million Americans without insurance, while her plan provided universal coverage. Obama countered that his proposal would cover everyone in the country. Clinton's plan will likely cover more people than Obama's, but it's doubtful the difference between their very similar proposals would be as high as the figure Clinton cites.

Update: Three months after we wrote this article, we revisited this issue and found that health care experts agreed that the difference between the two plans could be as high as Clinton claimed, if not higher.

BDM on Iraq War: Your candidate authorized the funding of the war in Iraq, and didn't lift a finger to protest the war, write letters, lead protests, etc. Nada.  The issue is who has the knowledge and experience to get us out, and that clearly is HRC.

by KnowVox 2008-05-13 10:41AM | 0 recs
Re: Want to Know What Keeps Her Going?

KnowVox has been presented with this info repeatedly and doesn't care because KnowVox lies... constantly.

by lockewasright 2008-05-13 12:40AM | 0 recs
Re: Want to Know What Keeps Her Going?
Hello KV?? You wanna comment on the info
politicsmatter just confronted you with? Or will it be defening silence?
by standd 2008-05-13 01:27AM | 0 recs
Re: Want to Know What Keeps Her Going?

crickets

by lockewasright 2008-05-13 01:43AM | 0 recs
Re: Want to Know What Keeps Her Going?

Sorry, but I'm not usually awake between 1-5 AM to be at your beck and call.

by KnowVox 2008-05-13 10:27AM | 0 recs
4,000 confirmed deaths on her head

For voting for the war, which 22 Democratic senators with integrity voted against.

Don't forget what your messiah did.

by Regenman 2008-05-12 11:35PM | 0 recs
Re: 4,000 confirmed deaths on her head

wasn't bright enough to learn either.  Made the same dumb vote where Iran is concerned and we're about to get another war to show for it.  Wizz bang job by the McCain surrogate!

by lockewasright 2008-05-13 12:42AM | 0 recs
Re: Want to Know What Keeps Her Going?

Your diaries always bring a smile to my face.

by DamnYankees 2008-05-12 06:03PM | 0 recs
Re: Want to Know What Keeps Her Going?

I'm glad - keep on smiling =)

by alegre 2008-05-12 06:09PM | 0 recs
Hey alegre,

I'm an Obama supporter, but I wanted to thank you for writing a POSITIVE diary in support of your candidate.  There's too much trash flying from both sides right now....

And I think the kid selling his bike is inspiring.  I remember sending part of my allowance to support a couple of missionaries from our church, because I believed they were doing something important.  I'm sure my few dollars didn't go far, but that's not the point -- it helped me grow into an engaged responsible citizen.

peace,
lilnev

by lilnev 2008-05-13 01:10PM | 0 recs
Re: Want to Know What Keeps Her Going?

ditto.

by canadian gal 2008-05-12 06:26PM | 0 recs
Re: Want to Know What Keeps Her Going?

mine too.

by lockewasright 2008-05-13 12:42AM | 0 recs
Re: Want to Know What Keeps Her Going?

I'm waiting for the book deals, and then perhaps I'll know.

Unfortunately, the way the campaign has been run, I'm now mystified about her motives. I used to think she was a liberal, hemmed in by a republican press and media, and then republican majorities in the house. But now, I frankly have no clue what she really believes in.

Blame Penn, blame triangulation, blame the media, or even some diarists here (not you necessarily alegre) who change tune and talking point and principles according to which primary demographic they are targeting.

Sorry. Not trying to put a sour note in a positive diary. I really used to love the Clintons. Now, not so much.  

by duende 2008-05-12 06:07PM | 0 recs
Re: Want to Know What Keeps Her Going?

If you don't know what she's fighting for - what she believs in then I would submit that you just haven't been paying attention.

by alegre 2008-05-12 06:10PM | 0 recs
Re: Want to Know What Keeps Her Going?

I don't think she's changed policy positions, but the tone and style of the campaign and the candidate has quite varied, particularly if you look back to Iowa and up to now.

by politicsmatters 2008-05-12 06:22PM | 0 recs
Re: Want to Know What Keeps Her Going?

Hasn't she changed position on one of the most important foreign policy issues of our generation, one that has caused hundreds of thousands of deaths, increased instability in the oil rich middle east?

I won't mention the four letters that spell out her senate vote, but it is my understanding she had radically shifted her position on Iraq. And I would submit that this is the one vote she most regrets now.

by duende 2008-05-12 06:29PM | 0 recs
Re: Want to Know What Keeps Her Going?

ehem.

I believe alot of folks voted for the war before they voted against it.

by 12 dogs and a blog 2008-05-12 07:24PM | 0 recs
Re: Want to Know What Keeps Her Going?

Howard Dean, I believe, was ALWAYS against the war. So was Rep. Kucinich. Neither made it through the primaries.

Sen.John Edwards voted for the war and then apologized. He was  the vice president on the Democratic 2004 ticket.

Sen. John Kerry was famous for his statement that he was for the war before he was against it. He was the last Democratic nominee for president 2004.

It's a pretty extensive list of folk who were for the invasion of Iraq.

by 12 dogs and a blog 2008-05-12 07:30PM | 0 recs
Re: Want to Know What Keeps Her Going?

23 democratic senators voted against the AUMF

by BDM 2008-05-12 08:40PM | 0 recs
Inouye--Medal of Honor winner NO to Iraq

There were definitely Senators with backbone.

Hillary "Nuke Iran" Clinton wasn't one of them.

by Regenman 2008-05-12 11:37PM | 0 recs
Re: Want to Know What Keeps Her Going?

I've been paying TOO MUCH attention

I think I know what the problem is: in the 90s when the MSM ruled, and a lot of people got their information from local news as well, you could say completely contradictory things: Bill could be a bubba to one constituency, a rural kid from Hope to another, a policy wonk liberal, the first Black president.

Thanks to globalisation, real time media, blogs and the internet, we now get our information all at once, and from many different sources. It's easier to check back on Youtube, or got to a website or newspaper, find the contradictions and publicise them.

That's why I can follow this in some depth from London - although I do have friends in both campaigns.

For Hillary and Bill, who still use the triangulated mode, this new media is a huge problem. Fund raising is one issue they caught onto too little, too late, compared with Obama.

Personally, and I know I will get dozens of contesting messages about this, but I think it is the contradictions that show up in this newer wikiworld. The shift from wonk, to yes, we will hope mongering, to shot drinking, duck shooting, and now hard working whites, becomes all the more transparent.

Now you might say Obama is just as inconsistent. That's not my point. Hillary has advertised her inconsistency, and I'm afraid this had compromised her image of consistency and honesty

I've heard from people who have met her that she is great fun person, warm, witty and generous. But that is not how her campaign has made her look

by duende 2008-05-12 06:24PM | 0 recs
Re: Want to Know What Keeps Her Going?
Love London.  I think it's just beautiful, Westminster, that is.  
Obama has mastered the art of triangulation quite well.  How else do you explain his attacks against Hillary's health care proposal?
by ChitownDenny 2008-05-12 06:28PM | 0 recs
Re: Want to Know What Keeps Her Going?

I think Obama realizes that a) mandates won't pass Congress and b) mandates that people buy insurance don't work well in practice.

by politicsmatters 2008-05-12 06:30PM | 0 recs
Re: Want to Know What Keeps Her Going?

Um, if you have a car, you participate in a mandate.

by ChitownDenny 2008-05-12 06:32PM | 0 recs
Re: Want to Know What Keeps Her Going?

Ignore him / her.  They're trolling.

by alegre 2008-05-12 06:49PM | 0 recs
Re: Want to Know What Keeps Her Going?

It's very insulting to call a perfectly civil comment about policy "trolling."  

by politicsmatters 2008-05-12 06:52PM | 0 recs
Re: Want to Know What Keeps Her Going?

Is it what it is -- trolling.

by KnowVox 2008-05-12 07:29PM | 0 recs
Re: Want to Know What Keeps Her Going?

What did the OP say that was troll worthy to you? Or do you believe we are all trolls for disagreeing with your view of the world?

by zep93 2008-05-12 09:11PM | 0 recs
Re: Want to Know What Keeps Her Going?

Um, not really. I have relatives who can't afford car insurance. So they purchase cheap insurance for a month to get their car registered, then literally drop it after leaving the DMV.

by zep93 2008-05-12 09:09PM | 0 recs
Re: Want to Know What Keeps Her Going?

Not having car insurance I think is illegal in some states. You might want to ask 'em.

by 12 dogs and a blog 2008-05-13 07:38AM | 0 recs
Re: Want to Know What Keeps Her Going?

Of course it's illegal in most states. That's the point I was trying to make. For some in my family, that extra $150/month provides food on the table. People can try and enforce insurance mandates all they want, but many are going to try to find a way out.

by zep93 2008-05-13 08:54AM | 0 recs
Re: Want to Know What Keeps Her Going?

Sumthin to think about zep. Sumthin to think about.

by 12 dogs and a blog 2008-05-13 04:35PM | 0 recs
Re: Want to Know What Keeps Her Going?

Thanks for the London tip. I loved Chicago - if you still live there - when I visited it two years ago. Had a whale of a time in some blues bars.

On your point, look carefully at my last para. I didn't say Obama hasn't been inconsistent: I said he didn't ADVERTISE his inconsistency.

Part of the problem was changing campaign staff and having to retool her message after Iowa. But I still submit her team were stuck a bit in the 1990s. The mainstream media don't pay attention to smaller details, and are so crammed with overload, news falls away fast. Local radio and TV give you access to small demographics at a time, and you can be a different identity according to the vote. In the blogosphere - which now feeds the MSM - these triangulations and demographic slices are much more easily exposed.

Maybe Obama knows that a bit better, and so doesn't make the same mistake of advertising the inconsistencies.

by duende 2008-05-12 06:33PM | 0 recs
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I'm dntn.  Love it.  The weather sucks, though.
I can't totally disagree with your points.  But the MSM lovefest for Barack, coupled with Penn, has still left us with a 49%-48% nomination.  Beyond emotions (and moveon.org types), I don't see how anyone can feel confident with a Barack presidency, given his experience (or lack thereof).
by ChitownDenny 2008-05-12 06:42PM | 0 recs
His stance on the war with Iraq

and his position on McCain and Clinton's proposed gas tax holiday give me great confidence in his judgment and presidency.

by eyeball 2008-05-12 09:30PM | 0 recs
Re: Want to Know What Keeps Her Going?

I know what she's fighting for - but I have some problems with the way she fought for it. Obama too, but moreso with Clinton.

by Falsehood 2008-05-12 06:59PM | 0 recs
Re: Want to Know What Keeps Her Going?

Check your ears for sand.

by Scotch 2008-05-12 06:14PM | 0 recs
Re: Want to Know What Keeps Her Going?

Demographics don't make people Republican, policies do. Hillary Clinton's proposed policies, minus the gas tax and Iran, are not very conservative, and I think you can ask any GOP'er about that. And if you want to make the claim that Hillary is "centrist", I think you can certainly make that claim for Barack as well.

As for her motives for staying in the race, I think it's because she truly feels that all states need to be heard. As long as she keeps the rhetoric positive throughout the remainder of the race, that won't be a problem. As for "dropping out", if she dropped out right now, today, and Barack lost by 35 in WV and 30 in KY without Hillary actually being in the race, it would be a narrative that the media would immediatley pick up on and make us look bad with, and would be humiliating. Did you think that just maybe Barack doesn't want her to drop out yet? Or how the Obama campaign and media surrogates have kind of stepped off the "drop out now" march? There's a good reason for that, and I think Hillary knows that too, and I think that it could be part of the reason she's staying in the race.

Like I said, the best thing she could do is STAY IN and remain positive. While Obama has the nomination it wouldn't reflect positively on him if he lost states after he was the actual presumptive nominee and if it looked like she was forced out of the race. Let's let this thing play out. The Clinton campaign is on record saying that the nominee will be decided by June 15th. I think that's more than enough time for all of those who are dissafected by this race to get things back together by August.

by zcflint05 2008-05-12 06:14PM | 0 recs
Re: Want to Know What Keeps Her Going?

And I think that's consistent with what most Democrats want.

In the latest WP poll, while Obama has a 12 point lead over Clinton (53-41), two-thirds want Clinton to stay in the race.

by politicsmatters 2008-05-12 06:18PM | 0 recs
Re: Want to Know What Keeps Her Going?

Penn does deserve blame (a lot) for Hillary's campaign.  He ran a Super Tuesday plan that didn't take into account Barack's red state strategy.  But why stay in?  I believe, as do many, that she thinks Barack can't win the GE.  Electoral College votes put her in a win much more easily than anything Barack has going for him.  

by ChitownDenny 2008-05-12 06:17PM | 0 recs
Re: Want to Know What Keeps Her Going?

And a full one-quarter of Clinton's debt -- which if half of the debt that's not owed to herself -- is to Penn.  

by politicsmatters 2008-05-12 06:21PM | 0 recs
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He should forgive the debt for non-performance.

by ChitownDenny 2008-05-12 06:24PM | 0 recs
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I'm with you there.  He really should!

by politicsmatters 2008-05-12 06:30PM | 0 recs
Re: Want to Know What Keeps Her Going?

I'd agree - Penn is the downside of a high value for loyalty.

by Falsehood 2008-05-12 07:00PM | 0 recs
&quot;duende&quot;

Mystifying.  Do you believe the nerve of some people who get banned from MyDD and then come back under another user name?

Not so much, you say?  Maybe there's a book deal in sockpuppetry.

Cheers!

by Caldonia 2008-05-12 06:34PM | 0 recs
Re: &quot;duende&quot;

Yup. I think I stand a better chance of a book deal than you do Caldonia.

Love the self portrait by the way.

by duende 2008-05-12 06:38PM | 0 recs
Great Pic As Always Cal!

Cheers! :o)

by alegre 2008-05-12 06:51PM | 0 recs
Re: Want to Know What Keeps Her Going?

We may get a chance when she's up for re-infestation of her senate seat.  I feel the same way about her.  I imagine that a whole lot of her AA constituents would vote for a primary challenger if they have the option.  She's making a pariah of herself (with help from some of her most irrational supporters) and the fickle american pop culture loses respect for candidates after a loss too.  Take a look at her fav/unfav numbers.  Democrats don't really like roveian tactics.  I'm not saying it's a sure thing or even likely, but I wouldn't want to run for office in N.Y. after  alienating the A.A. community.  

I know I'd open my wallet to trade a DLCer for a democrat.

by lockewasright 2008-05-13 12:52AM | 0 recs
Re: Want to Know What Keeps Her Going?

I also want her to keep going.  She needs to hang tough until the last primary is over.

by JustJennifer 2008-05-12 06:09PM | 0 recs
Re: Want to Know What Keeps Her Going?

She will - and beyond.  As Bill says often about his wife - there's no quit in that girl.

by alegre 2008-05-12 06:11PM | 0 recs
Re: Want to Know What Keeps Her Going?

Don't you think that can be a bad thing? I mean, refusing to quit no matter what sounds nice when it comes to football players and pianists, but don't you see the importance of recognizing when you have to stop going after something because you are doing more harm than good?

by DamnYankees 2008-05-12 06:25PM | 0 recs
Re: Want to Know What Keeps Her Going?

Why should she quit? There's maybe 1 or 2 percent separating them and there's a very good chance she could be leading in the popular vote once they seat the FL & MI delegates and the primaries are done.

Nothing's decided until they vote at the convention and if she were a guy no one would be telling her to drop out.

No one.

Candidates have gone to the convention traling worse than Hillary - far worse.  So why don't we just let this thing play out?  We'll come together behind our nominee in time - meanwhile let's figure out who the strongest candidate is and let the people vote.

by alegre 2008-05-12 06:54PM | 0 recs
How would you seat those delegates though?

I agree that the Florida and Michigan voters should be represented, but how would you suggest we do that in a way that's fair to those voters who would have come out for the candidates who took their names off the ballot because it was agreed that those states' delegates weren't to be seated?

by eyeball 2008-05-12 09:35PM | 0 recs
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Look how popular it's made W.

by lockewasright 2008-05-13 12:53AM | 0 recs
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She is pretty awesome isn't she?  :)  

by JustJennifer 2008-05-12 06:26PM | 0 recs
Re: Want to Know What Keeps Her Going?

Unfortunately for Sen. Clinton, there is a real reason to drop out prior to August, or even before June 4: money.  

Her campaign is roughly $20M in debt, and has a burn rate of $1M/day.  I admire Clinton for putting her own money in the game -- that demonstrates, without doubt, her commitment to her pursuit.  However, she's out $11M of personal funds, and unless she can raise $1M/day, she's going to be out more money.  She can't increase debt to vendors and consultants, as her "credit rating" (i.e., perceived viability of her campaign for nomination) has dropped recently.  $1M/day fund raising isn't out of the question for short bursts, but it matches her highest monthly efforts ($30+M in March).  I'm guessing (not sure though), that daily receipts have dropped since then.

She can suspend non-essential campaign functions to lower the burn rate, but that would be quite visible and would change the narrative, especially vis a vis the superdelegates.  She can continue to lend herself money (more accurately, her spouse's speaking fees -- her income over the last decade is roughly the $11M currently borrowed), but she's not going to get it back.  IIRC, she's got to repay herself before August or forget it -- campaign finance laws apparently prevent later repayment.

Suppose Hillary stays until June 4 -- 22 days away.  Suppose her campaign raises $750,000/day (wild guess :), then she's down an additional $5.5M by June 4. Suppose her money people are really convincing and can expand their vendor payables by $2M during that period -- it's still $3.5M out of pocket.  Sen. Clinton would then have $14M of personal loans to retire in 3 months or so.  

It sucks that money has so much to do with politics, but we all knew that already.

by Twin Planets 2008-05-12 07:26PM | 0 recs
Re: Want to Know What Keeps Her Going?

Similar narratives with similar statistics and similar doomsday prognostications were once all the rave about McCain during his primary battle.

Just thought I'd remind you.  :-)

by RickWn 2008-05-12 07:36PM | 0 recs
Re: Want to Know What Keeps Her Going?

You're right -- and I was pretty surprised about McCain's revival. (Mostly because I didn't think Republicans would be clever enough to pick their most formidable candidate!)

That said, I don't like your analogy.  McCain ran into trouble before New Hampshire -- that was the opening of the campaign.  This is the endgame -- only 420 or so delegates to go.  (Pledged plus non-add-on superdelegates plus add-ons from states yet to vote.)  

If FL/MI aren't seated as is (which they probably won't be; btw, not a normative statement, just reading tea leaves), then Obama needs about 35 of the remaining 195 discretionary superdelegates to win the nomination.  (Assuming pledged delegate results that match the latest state polls for remaining primaries.) That's a pretty big hurdle for Sen. Clinton.

Even w/ FL/MI seated as is, Obama only needs about 40% of remaining supers.  Might be doable, but that's a long string of ifs.  Meanwhile, the burn rate isn't getting any better.

by Twin Planets 2008-05-12 08:09PM | 0 recs
Re: Want to Know What Keeps Her Going?

What happens to the money she has raised that is earmarked for the GE if she is not the nominee?

by JustJennifer 2008-05-12 08:29PM | 0 recs
Re: Want to Know What Keeps Her Going?

Not sure -- anyone?  The only thing I'm pretty sure about is that she can't use it to retire primary debt.  It's all about the somewhat byzantine campaign finance laws.  (I'd love to see a really good posting about campaign finance rules!)

In fact, I'm pretty sure Sen. Obama's campaign is prohibited from transferring funds to Sen Clinton.  (Not that the press won't go into a frenzy about the possibility anyway - I do not trust them to research anything properly!)

Ugh -- I hate thinking about the cruel monetary realities of politics. The only consolation about campaign finance is that the effects of money on legislation (lobbying) is even worse!  (I remain pessimistic about any reasonable health care legislation passing intact.)

by Twin Planets 2008-05-12 08:38PM | 0 recs
Re: Want to Know What Keeps Her Going?

Don't overlook the multi-million dollar (15 to 20) advance for her memoir about this historic primary race. Her debts will be gracefully retired and I'm sure she still has assurance for an extended line of credit regarding this campaign.

by RickWn 2008-05-12 09:45PM | 0 recs
Re: Want to Know What Keeps Her Going?

I found this on cnn.com:

What happens to campaign funds when the campaign ends?

Candidates may not use any funds raised during a campaign for personal use, even after the campaign is over. Any funds raised for the general election must be returned to the donors. However, if a candidate drops out of a primary race, he or she may return the donations or keep them in a campaign account indefinitely. These candidates can also distribute the raised funds to:

Pay off campaign debts;

Fund a future federal campaign;

Make contributions to other campaign committees and political parties;

Donate to charity

by JustJennifer 2008-05-13 11:18AM | 0 recs
Re: Want to Know What Keeps Her Going?

She can't raise the money because voters aren't giving it to her.  It's capitalism's warped version of voting.  It is a measure of the depth of support.  He fundraising will have dropped sharply following N.C. too.  She won't make it to a floor fight unless she and Bill want to no longer be wealthy people by then.

by lockewasright 2008-05-13 01:00AM | 0 recs
She's a fighter, not a quitter

I hope she sees this through to the end, to the convention if need be.  This woman is NOT a minor candidate and there is no reason for her to step aside now.  

Let the people vote.

by Radiowalla 2008-05-12 06:12PM | 0 recs
Re: She's a fighter, not a quitter

She'll take it through to the convention - especially once they sort out the delegates from MI & FL.

by alegre 2008-05-12 06:20PM | 0 recs
Re: She's a fighter, not a quitter

With all due respect, Alegre, that is very doubtful. Major Clinton campaign spokespeople have already said that this will be done by mid-June.

by politicsmatters 2008-05-12 06:24PM | 0 recs
Re: She's a fighter, not a quitter

"Taking it to the convention" is a rallying call that is just that: a rallying call.  No one seriously believes this fight will go on any longer than it has to (once everyone has voted by June 3, it doesn't have to go on any longer).

by Skaje 2008-05-12 07:17PM | 0 recs
Re: She's a fighter, not a quitter

facts don't concern Alegre... never have.

by lockewasright 2008-05-13 01:01AM | 0 recs
Re: Want to Know What Keeps Her Going?

Go Hillary!!! She will sustained her general election advantage as well as gain the popular vote lead. Regardless of what the pundits say, they can not make-believe that the people from vote tallies do not exist. You know, they did vote afterall.

by Check077 2008-05-12 06:14PM | 0 recs
Re: Want to Know What Keeps Her Going?

What color is the sky in your world?

by lockewasright 2008-05-13 01:04AM | 0 recs
Re: Want to Know What Keeps Her Going?

You folks are going to have a nice celebration tomorrow - Enjoy!  :}

by politicsmatters 2008-05-12 06:15PM | 0 recs
Re: Want to Know What Keeps Her Going?

"You folks are going to have a nice celebration tomorrow - Enjoy!  :}"

Classy. Well done. Let me add my congrats on your WV victory, Hillary people.

by fugazi 2008-05-12 06:21PM | 0 recs
Re: Want to Know What Keeps Her Going?

Sometimes I wonder if Clinton people live in another reality.

by Cheebs 2008-05-12 06:21PM | 0 recs
I thought you had to be 18 years old

to legally contribute to a presidential campaign.

by notme54 2008-05-12 06:26PM | 0 recs
Re: I thought you had to be 18 years old

Me, too -- And that rule is in place so that parents can't get around the limit for contributions by donating in the name of every child.

by politicsmatters 2008-05-12 06:32PM | 0 recs
originally in McCain Feingold but

struck down as an infringement on 1st Amendment rights of under 18s.

by benmasel 2008-05-12 10:03PM | 0 recs
Re: Want to Know What Keeps Her Going?
From ABC News/Washington Post poll: Obama 51, McCain 44. Clinton 49, McCain 46. http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e86/PhoenixDark1/hillary.jpg">
by Cheebs 2008-05-12 06:30PM | 0 recs
How dare you intrude with actual evidence?

Don't you realize?  Obama is doomed!  He can't win!  Hillary is much better than he is.

by TL 2008-05-12 08:14PM | 0 recs
No complete

Sentences.... what I would say might be insulting so I will just post my flow of thoughts.  

1. 1999

  1. 2008
  2. 9 Years
  3. 11 Years Old
  4. $440.00
  5. Bike+
  6. $109,000,000
  7. $11,900.000
  8. 2025
  9. 1697
  10. 1869
  11. 155
  12. 202
  13. Sad

by nextgen 2008-05-12 06:34PM | 0 recs
Re: No complete

202 has got me stymied, but I'll figure it out. Terser next time -- leave out the line feeds :)

How's this:  50 > 50+1%

by Twin Planets 2008-05-12 08:15PM | 0 recs
Re: No complete

202= Margin between candidates in delegates now.  

Yea I should have left it without the line feeds but I didn't want to make it too hard ....

by nextgen 2008-05-13 02:41AM | 0 recs
Re: Want to Know What Keeps Her Going?

Thanks for a great diary alegre.

by durendal 2008-05-12 06:44PM | 0 recs
Re: Want to Know What Keeps Her Going?

you alegre.....its you that keeps her going. she has you to thank...and your mydd fan club. you are truly a loyal supporter.
hillary owes you big time.

i hope i have such strong support when i blow a hundred and fifty million on a dead end campaign.

by citizendave 2008-05-12 06:45PM | 0 recs
unadulterated vanity and endless entitlement

by bigdcdem 2008-05-12 06:48PM | 0 recs
Re: unadulterated vanity and endless entitlement

I agree. Obama's gotta tone that stuff down!

by RickWn 2008-05-12 07:38PM | 0 recs
Re: Want to Know What Keeps Her Going?
http://blogs.vibe.com/wire/cool%20kids%20obama%20lo.jpg">
by Cheebs 2008-05-12 06:48PM | 0 recs
Re: Want to Know What Keeps Her Going?

Clinton wants a cap with a brim, too?

by politicsmatters 2008-05-12 06:53PM | 0 recs
Re: Want to Know What Keeps Her Going?

That picture is a McCain campaign wet-dream.

by RickWn 2008-05-12 07:58PM | 0 recs
Re: Want to Know What Keeps Her Going?

Excuse me.  Why?

by TL 2008-05-12 08:09PM | 0 recs
Re: Want to Know What Keeps Her Going?

I think largely for fund-raising purposes, TL.

While we can look at that picture and see an energized hip-hop generation crowding around a candidate, I can also imagine that picture being used in fund-raising letters to the Republican party faithful implying his association with supposed inner-city gangsters.

Surely, you can see that possibility... another Republican campaign's Willie Horton ad?

Additionally, you can probably bet that each of those three kids in that picture will be quietly tracked down by some devious Rethug Pac investigators just looking for some small fault in their particular character to be used as smear against Obama.

It's sad they do that, but that's what I know is going to happen. You probably do too.

by RickWn 2008-05-12 09:32PM | 0 recs
The Rethug MO hasn't done well lately

so who cares if they use a photo like that to push their unpopular, racist, outdated, dead end fear mongering message?

It's passé, losing strategy. Let's all be brave and forward-looking.

by eyeball 2008-05-12 09:42PM | 0 recs
Re: The Rethug MO hasn't done well lately

Eyeball beat me to it.  That's exactly right.

There are going to be dead-enders who see pictures like this one and just won't be able to vote for Obama.  We aren't going to win over every last voter.  But we're 40 years on from the civil rights movement now, and there's every indication that the vast majority are ready for a change.  It's time to leave the past behind.

I'm not saying there won't be turbulence - but there's every sign that we're ready and it's a glorious day.

by TL 2008-05-13 05:19AM | 0 recs
Re: Want to Know What Keeps Her Going?

Your comment was pure Lee Atwater -- that's so passe.  Sure it'll fly with the gated community crowd, but they're in the bag already.

Those kids look positively wholesome compared to some boys my favorite niece drags along.... (Bad, bad track record!)

by Twin Planets 2008-05-12 08:30PM | 0 recs
Re: Want to Know What Keeps Her Going?

the story about the little boy selling his bike and video games to donate to Hillary's campaign is the most touching i've heard in days.

(BTW-how do you embed a photo?)

by nikkid 2008-05-12 06:54PM | 0 recs
Re: Want to Know What Keeps Her Going?

You are glad that a little boy sold his most prized possession... and donated it to a couple that literally has $100 million dollars.  I'll repeat that again, $100 million dollars.  It is sickening they would even accept that donation.

by belicheat 2008-05-13 05:51AM | 0 recs
I think partly what keeps her going

I think partly what keeps her going is the need to be constantly challenged by ever greater challenges and that's not necessarily a bad thing.

The same could be said of Obama.

Both these candidates are Type A personalities born with an innate drive to excel.

Irregardless of the outcome of this nominating race, we will not soon see either candidate retire from public service or public challenge.

by RickWn 2008-05-12 06:56PM | 0 recs
Re: I think partly what keeps her going

Hear, hear!  

by politicsmatters 2008-05-12 06:59PM | 0 recs
Want to Know What Keeps Her Going?

Debt.

by Kobi 2008-05-12 07:02PM | 0 recs
Alegre, you need this.

by ragekage 2008-05-12 07:04PM | 0 recs
Re: Want to Know What Keeps Her Going?

NYtimes poll:

64% of dems want her to keep going

by searchforsolidarity 2008-05-12 07:22PM | 0 recs
Re: Want to Know What Keeps Her Going?

Sure!  She should keep going? Why not? The last primaries are in just three weeks.

by politicsmatters 2008-05-12 07:36PM | 0 recs
Re: Want to Know What Keeps Her Going?

Few people are arguing that she should drop out.

That is a Clinton talking point to rally the troops.

She should stay in the race and after June 3 their will be

a nominee.

It looks like it probably will be Senator Obama.

by spacemanspiff 2008-05-12 07:38PM | 0 recs
Re: Want to Know What Keeps Her Going?

They weren't asked WHERE she should go.

by lockewasright 2008-05-13 01:11AM | 0 recs
I know,...I know (raised hand)...

Lack of cash and donations from pre-adolescents?

Salivating for the next time she can smear the presumptive nominee?

by april34fff 2008-05-12 07:37PM | 0 recs
Re: Want to Know What Keeps Her Going?

She keeps on going because she has tons of pant suits still left that she hasn't worn yet.

by Steve24 2008-05-12 07:44PM | 0 recs
Canary

Hmmm, then explain to me why she keeps on picking the canary yellow one.

by hebi 2008-05-13 12:59AM | 0 recs
I Have No Doubt

..that Hillary is a person of politcal accumen, imtellectual heft, and personal loyalty.  If she is able to reverse the situation and succeed, I'll support her because the needs of the country (right to choice, the war, the environment, health care and the economy) outweigh by far my personal loyalty to Obama.  

I hope that those of you who feel just as strongly about Hillary will do the same if the current scenario plays out the way it seems it might.

Hillary will ALWAYS be a great leader and a history-making figure.

by a gunslinger 2008-05-12 07:54PM | 0 recs
I just don't understand Hillary bashers

but then again, maybe I don't want to, because that would be too depressing.

I may be getting soft but as I've watched this campaign over the past few months I have been increasingly impressed by Clinton.  She is tremendously eloquent on the stump, clearly the best in most debates, tremendously resilient and apparently impervious to the crap that has been hurled at her for years.  I think Obama is a very good candidate, and I supported John Edwards financially--my first contribution to a presidential campaign.  But when it came time to vote--back on Super Tuesday, I was really pleased to be able to vote for her.

And I feel more strongly about her now.  My first vote in a presidential election was for George McGovern and I have never been as pleased about casting a vote for president since--until this year.  I'm really astonished that Kerry, Kennedy and other "liberals" went out of their way to disrespect her, not just in endorsing Obama, but acting as if she had done something wrong in her campaign.  It seems to me that some men find Hillary Clinton threatening in some very deep way.

I find her inspiring and hope that my two college-age daughters are reading some of her speeches and taking some mental notes.    

by Thaddeus 2008-05-12 07:55PM | 0 recs
then for your sake don't go to No Quarter, Taylor

MArsh, Hillary is 44 blogs.  Last time I was there I vomited; I refuse to believe these are actually democratic sites, the bashingand pure vile hatred of one candidate's supporters upon another dem candidate is deeply disturbing.  I think that a small base at these sites are dems but most of the commenters must be freepers posing as supporters...it is like walking in the land of the dead and brainless.  As one critic of those sites said (paraphrasing) "...the comments would make Karl Rove blush"

You go at your own risk

by KLRinLA 2008-05-12 10:35PM | 0 recs
She burned bridges from 92-94

You do understand that don't you?

by Regenman 2008-05-12 11:29PM | 0 recs
Re: She burned bridges from 92-94

No, actually I don't understand that, and I think you are buying Republican and right-wing sound machine bites.  Just explain how she burned those bridges.

by Thaddeus 2008-05-14 09:18PM | 0 recs
We already know

Ambition and other people's money.

by JJE 2008-05-12 07:58PM | 0 recs
Re: We already know

Perhaps she continues to run because she has the audacity to hope.

Just a thought.

by 12 dogs and a blog 2008-05-13 07:25AM | 0 recs
Re: Want to Know What Keeps Her Going?

You could look at it another way -- Hillary has no chance of winning (barring a catastrophe) and yet she's taking money from children and people who really aren't informed enough to know that she can't win. The money is going toward paying off her debts. That's kind of sad.

by lindsay 2008-05-12 08:09PM | 0 recs
Re: Want to Know What Keeps Her Going?

It is, indeed.  I take some solace from the fact that it won't be nearly enough to cover all $20 million.

They're either going to have to eat a lot of that debt or else keep going out on the rubber chicken circuit - which really is punishment.

The best news I've had in a while was the report that the Obama campaign has heard from its donors that our contributions will not be used to repay it.  

by TL 2008-05-12 08:11PM | 0 recs
Re: Want to Know What Keeps Her Going?

Ben Smith at Politico said today that half of the $20 mil was debt to themselves. Of the other $10 mil, half was owed to Mark Penn. I just hope they pay the money to the small businesses that are probably suffering now because of the economy.

by politicsmatters 2008-05-12 08:22PM | 0 recs
Yeah. I can tell you're really worried.

by internetstar 2008-05-12 08:53PM | 0 recs
Re: Want to Know What Keeps Her Going?
The Clintons are far wealthier, and frankly more able to make money, than the Obamas.  
She doesn't need any freaking bailout from the savior and it's insulting and ridiculous to even assume she would.
by JustJennifer 2008-05-12 08:34PM | 0 recs
When Bill went into office

the Clinton's had far less than the Obamas.

No full length white mink coat in Hillary's closet.
Not that she would even wear that kind of shit.

by internetstar 2008-05-12 08:54PM | 0 recs
Cattle futures

Yeah, the Clinton's look like commodity brokers and real estate dealers don't they?  Considering Tucker and McDougal did time and refused to finger the Clintons, we don't know what went on, but they had some "interesting" investments while he was in office.

Don't be hating when your laundry isn't quite that clean.

by Regenman 2008-05-12 11:40PM | 0 recs
Re: Cattle futures

The Clintons have made money from books and speaking engagements.  They can retire their own debt with just a handful of speaking engagements from Bill.  The thought that she would need a handout from Obama is just being floated to try and humuliate her.  I dare to say that no matter what happens the Clintons will be fine going forward.

by JustJennifer 2008-05-13 11:13AM | 0 recs
Re: Want to Know What Keeps Her Going?

Can you give up your morning cup of Starbucks or Dunkin' Donuts coffee?

But the latte drinkers are all for Obama, remember?

Seriously, nice diary, Alegre. I'm glad to see you're on board with the Clinton strategy to focus on Clinton's positives and stop going negative against Obama. The change in tone in your recent diaries has been refreshing.

by jdusek 2008-05-12 08:30PM | 0 recs
Re: Want to Know What Keeps Her Going?

I spoke too soon ... just saw your latest anti-Obama diary. Oh well, it was nice while it lasted.

by jdusek 2008-05-12 09:19PM | 0 recs
Re: Want to Know What Keeps Her Going?

Clinton isn't the one who went negative.   Some of us have been onto Obama's strategy since New Hampshire.

by bellarose 2008-05-13 05:57AM | 0 recs
Re: Want to Know What Keeps Her Going?

If she really was in it for us, then she wouldn't have voted for and defended the Iraq war for so long.

by gorebeatbush2 2008-05-12 08:45PM | 0 recs
Re: Want to Know What Keeps Her Going?

You should be a press secretary for someone.

by kasjogren 2008-05-12 08:50PM | 0 recs
Re: Want to Know What Keeps Her Going?

She lies as well as Perino for sure.

by lockewasright 2008-05-13 01:20AM | 0 recs
Re: Want to Know What Keeps Her Going?

Eh, that isn't what I meant.

by kasjogren 2008-05-13 06:46AM | 0 recs
Re: Want to Know What Keeps Her Going?

Want to Know What Keeps Her Going?

I think you're keeping her going Alegre.

And your shift towards positive pro-Hillary diaries is noted and greatly appreciated by all.

by obsessed 2008-05-12 09:52PM | 0 recs
Re: Want to Know What Keeps Her Going?

Two questions I have:

1)  Can you explain any scenario where Hillary's actions (and not an Obama self-destruction) gets her the nomination, in your opinion?  I'm not asking to argue, I just want to understand how you see this playing out with her winning.

2)  Do you feel that Obama has any feel good stories about his strong support, or is it only Hillary?  Again, in your opinion.

While I am an Obama supporter and consider him the sure winner, it is not my intention to argue with your thoughts, I just want to hear them.

While I prefer Obama, I still like Hillary a lot and I actually hope for an Obama/Clinton ticket.

Good luck!

by sasatlanta 2008-05-12 09:59PM | 0 recs
That's privledged information

The Health Information Privacy Act forbids released of prescription information.

by benmasel 2008-05-12 10:07PM | 0 recs
Re: Want to Know What Keeps Her Going?

Yes, we know Alegre, you love her.  I love her too.

Raahhh Raahhh Hillary, Raahhh Raaahh...can we get on with beating McCain now?

by hienmango 2008-05-12 10:55PM | 0 recs
Re: Want to Know What Keeps Her Going?

Has Barack decided to step aside for the good of the party, yet?

by bellarose 2008-05-13 05:54AM | 0 recs
Re: Want to Know What Keeps Her Going?

No. He won the nomination, fair and square.

If Hillary Clinton really cares about health care, she can do more about it from the Senate with Obama in the White House than McCain.

by BlueinColorado 2008-05-13 06:19AM | 0 recs
Re: Want to Know What Keeps Her Going?

I don't care if Hillary stays in the nomination race until 2012.

I wish, however, that Alegre refocus her attention to the problem at hand, and that is McCain.

by hienmango 2008-05-14 06:28PM | 0 recs
Victim ???

"Hillary's been traveling the country talking with folks like us for the past 15 months and the current calls for her to give it up certainly don't mark the first time her opponents have tried to force her out of this race.  But she's shown us time and time again that the pundits were wrong in saying she's finished.  She fought back before and she's fighting back now because she's just that tough.  Heck, Hillary's been taking the heat from the haters for 15 years or more so I'm amazed she even wanted to get into this thing in the first place after the way they've gone after her and her family over the years."

Poor Hillary, all the big boys are so mean to you.
I thought it was Big Bill himself that said a couple of weeks ago that this was a contact sport. Hillary, that talked about the heat ín the kitchen. And now all of a sudden Hillary is the victim being "forced" out of the race by her opponents ???
Nobody is forcing out Hillary, Barack has not hired some Chicago goons, to threaten her and her loved ones, if she doesn't pack it in. The only thing that has happened, is that the media are calling the race. And they are not calling it for the one behind in pledged delegates, super automatic delegates, popular votes and states won, they are not calling it for the one heavilly in debt, they are calling it for who they think is winning this race.
It just happens to be allmost everyone so you can draw one of two conclusions :

  1. it's a conspiracy,
  2. they are right.

Get over it Alegre, it is not going to happen. Super Delegates are not going to take away the victory from Barack. Hillary will bow out gracefully. Not because she is forced by anyone, but because she understands that she has lost.

And it would be nice if you stop whining about it. If you can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen.

by hebi 2008-05-13 12:51AM | 0 recs
Re: Want to Know What Keeps Her Going?

Inability to understand mathematics.

by lockewasright 2008-05-13 01:25AM | 0 recs
I smell an Attack Ad

Coldhearted elitist Clinton takes money from little boy..

"She forced me to sell my bike"
"What will she force YOU to sell?"

OMG, we cant risk it. Clinton in November is suicide and this sickening money-grabber story just confirms it

by standd 2008-05-13 01:33AM | 0 recs
Democrats in states like WV and KY

She's offering them a voice and a choice -- for a women dedicating her life towards public service since her earliest of days after Yale, that all she needs.

We should do no less for her.

by dcrolg 2008-05-13 05:45AM | 0 recs
Re: Democrats in states like WV and KY

Public service?  You mean, the Childrens Defense Fund?  Oh, that's right she was only there for less than a year.  And they don't support her candidacy. After that it was off to the Rose law firm (biggest corporate law firm in Little Rock), and then to the love-fest that is Wal-Mart's board of directors.  Yay populism!

by belicheat 2008-05-13 05:47AM | 0 recs
Re: Want to Know What Keeps Her Going?

It is from small contributors like you that Hillary will be able to repay the $11 million dollars she loaned herself.  Oh, plus interest lest we forget.  She wants you to skip lunch for her, because she really needs that money.  Bill Clinton just doesn't have the earning potential he once had.  His hourly speaking rates have sunk down to $350,000 an hour!  How will the Clintons ever survive on that!  I hear their fortune may have even dipped below $100 million!  If they are forced to repay all $11 million in loans, it would be devastating.  I hear they might even have to downgrade from a Gulfstream V to a Gulfstream IV personal jet!  Good thing she has Americans struggling to live paycheck to paycheck to foot the bill for her.  What would she ever do without you guys?

by belicheat 2008-05-13 05:45AM | 0 recs
Want to Know What Keeps Her Going?

No.

by McNasty 2008-05-13 07:04AM | 0 recs
Go Hill!

Nobama, no way!

by grlpatriot 2008-05-13 07:09AM | 0 recs
who cares?

she's a failure.

by rabidnation 2008-05-13 07:15AM | 0 recs
Re: who cares?

Rabidnation, perhaps she has the audacity of hope. I hear tell that belongs to us all not just a chosen few.

At least that's what I used to hear.

If Alegre's posts have become positive in tone don't you think you can be positive too?

Oh and being "positive she' not going to win"  is not being positive in the same spirit.

Just wondering.

by 12 dogs and a blog 2008-05-13 07:48AM | 0 recs
Re: Want to Know What Keeps Her Going?

What keeps her going, two words GREED, JEALOUSLY. I actually think she's jealous that the "dumber" Clinton actually became President. While the "smarter" Clinton had to sit at his side in the wings, making up fake stories of "her Presidency" rabidnation is right, she is a failure.

by johnny sexton 2008-05-13 07:57AM | 0 recs
Re: Want to Know What Keeps Her Going?

What keeps her going? I'll give you 20,000,000 reasons.

by vermontprog 2008-05-13 09:04AM | 0 recs
Recced by an Obama supporter

for keeping it positive. If all of Hillary's support (and all of Alegre's diaries) maintained this tone, you'd see a lot more geniality from Obama fans.

by ZombieRoboNinja 2008-05-13 12:10PM | 0 recs
Re: Want to Know What Keeps Her Going?

No.  Not particularly.

by dchill 2008-05-13 12:56PM | 0 recs

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