Unemployment Rising

I've said it before and I'll keep on saying - it's still the economy stupid.  So the big-shots are actually starting to use the R word - it's not news to a lof of folks back home in Michigan.  They've been neck-deep in the R word for the last year or more.  Homes in foreclosure where even the banks can't sell them.  Folks out of work.  We thought of moving home a couple years ago so our kids would be closer to my folks and the rest of the family, but we knew there was no way my husband could find work.  No one's fixing up homes when they can barely make the mortgage payment.  It's not a pretty picture and it's only going to get worse.  

Sad thing is, everyone's saying there's no way they could have forecasted this messed up economy.  Take a look at what they had to say in the New York Times...

Unemployment Rising

Friday's awful news of 80,000 lost jobs in March surprised economic forecasters, who had not expected such a severe contraction. But it's safe to say that it did not surprise most Americans. Just days before the report, a poll taken by this paper and CBS News showed that a stunning 81 percent of Americans believe the nation is on the wrong track. That's the highest percentage since the poll began asking about the country's direction in the early 1990s. Two in three respondents said they believed the economy was in a recession.

The March employment report leaves virtually no doubt they are right. The job contraction last month was on top of large losses in January and February. Not since the 1950s has job growth contracted for three months straight without recession. The question is whether lawmakers in Washington will catch up to where the people are in time to help in a meaningful way.

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Even for those who escape layoffs, a deteriorating labor market (unemployment spiked from 4.8 percent in February to 5.1 percent in March) means slower wage growth. When new inflation data is released next week, March is expected to become the sixth month in a row in which wage growth has not outpaced inflation. The likely result is more defaults by people who otherwise would have been able to keep paying their mortgages.

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Rising unemployment will worsen all of the expected problems of a downturn -- from waning consumer spending, to foreclosures, to rising demand for government-paid health care, food stamps and unemployment benefits.

They close by calling on Congress to take swift and bold action.  Hillary's been calling for such action for over a year - I can't imagine her frustration at seeing her collegues do so little too late for millions of American families.  

Well here's what she had to say about the jobs report yesterday...

Hillary Clinton Statement On March Jobs Report

Today's news that unemployment jumped to 5.1% in March and that our economy lost jobs for the third straight month adds to the mounting evidence that our economy is spiraling downward, and that hardworking families are paying the price.

It's time the President and John McCain recognize the r-word: reality. Our economy is in serious trouble and unless we act swiftly we could be sliding into a deep and painful recession.

When Wall Street faced crisis, we saw swiftly and creative action and a $30 billion lifeline for Bear Stearns. Today's jobs report confirms that it's time to take equally aggressive action to help American families struggling in our bearish economy.

For more than a year I have been like Paulette Revere, calling for action to keep the problems from our housing market from spilling over into our economy. After a year of denial and half-measures it is time for this Administration to put ideology aside and get serious about stemming this crisis. Perhaps this jobs report will also help John McCain recognize that doing nothing is not an economic strategy in times of urgent need.

While I support the legislative approach that Senator Dodd and Congressman Frank are taking to help restructure mortgages and keep millions of families in their homes, today's news of serious continued weakness in our labor markets reinforces that we need to be ready to go further. I believe we must stand ready for the government to purchase at risk mortgages. We also need a second stimulus of at least $30 billion to help states and localities fight the foreclosure crisis in their communities.

When Hillary talks about feeling like she's been Paulette Revere she's not kidding.  Here's a speech she gave on the sub-prime mortgage crisis in mid-March of last year...

As usual, Hillary's ahead of the pack when it comes to understanding the problems of this nation, and (as usual) she's got plans to help the people who're hurting.

READ more about Hillary's plans for strengthening the middle class

IN the lead-up to Bush's final State of the Union speech, Hillary spoke about the state of our broken economy, Bush's neglegence, and what needs to happen NOW to fix what he broke...

After seven years of inattention, neglect and denial, this Monday night, President Bush may well actually discuss the serious economic problems we face. And it's about time.

You know, we didn't hear from him when the typical family incomes dropped $1,000 over the past seven years -- $2,600 for African American families. As health care premiums nearly doubled, gas prices more than doubled, and college costs here in South Carolina rose 124% since 2000, the fastest increase in America.

We didn't hear from him as more than two million foreclosure notices went out - 11,000 properties right here in South Carolina are in some stage of foreclosure. That's 11,000 families that are facing the potential loss of the American dream.

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The presidency matters more now than ever. We need a president who will run the government and manage the economy. American people don't hire a President to talk about our problems but to solve them, to set a vision for the future, and then to roll up our sleeves and get about fulfilling it.

It's time for a President who believes that leading an economic comeback is a fulltime, hands-on job. Who renews our commitment to a strong and prosperous middle class and brings business, labor and government together to restore America's competitiveness in a fast changing world. A president who has a vision for a twenty-first century economy based on shared prosperity. Where we measure our success not by the wealth at the very top but by how broadly wealth is shared.

She goes on to talk about some of the things she's do immediately...

90-day moratorium on foreclosures.
Freeze variable rates for 5 years.
Green Collar jobs.

Then there are the long-term solutions...

During the 1950s and 60s which many of us look back at with great appreciation because the economy worked so well, for so long, for so many, we had a much higher percentage of our workforce unionized. Now it is much lower. We need to make sure people can organize and bargain for good wages and safe working conditions.

We need to be sure that we restore fairness to the economy by restoring fairness to the tax code. Right now, some of the people I represent in New York City, Wall Street investment managers, making $50 million a year pay just 15% on their earnings - while a teacher making $50,000 pays 25%. I don't think that's right and I've been calling to raise the taxes on those people at the top.

As corporate profits have skyrocketed, the percentage of taxes paid by corporations has fallen. We have richly rewarded people and I am all in favor of incentivizing people to do well. That is part of what America stands for. But it isn't right that the wealthy and the well-connected have gotten so many more benefits than the middle class and working people have.

We need to extend middle class tax cuts, including the child tax credit, marriage penalty relief. We need to reform the Alternative Minimum Tax to ensure it doesn't hit middle class families with higher tax rates. It was never supposed to do that. We need to expand the Earned Income Tax Credit and raise the minimum wage to ensure that work pays for all Americans. No one who works full time should live in poverty. If you're working full time you shouldn't be in poverty.

We need to give people the tools and support they need to succeed in today's complex economy. That starts with recommitting ourselves to making college affordable for our young people. That's especially important here in South Carolina, the average student debt upon graduation is $20,000. So you start in a big hole before you ever go to work on the first day. And you know what's happened which is really troubling to me--America's higher education system which was the envy of the world, we had an open system, the highest percentage of young people who went to get degrees, but now from Japan to South Korea to Canada and Ireland, other countries are educating their young people at a higher rate than here in America. The reason for that is the cost has exploded. It is more expensive today than it was thirty years ago to send a child to college.

That's why I've outlined a comprehensive plan to open the doors of college to young people. It includes a new $3,500 college tax credit that will cover more than 50% of the typical cost of public colleges and universities or the full cost of tuition and fees for community colleges.

I also want to increase the size of Pell Grants, something that former Secretary Riley mentioned. I want to strengthen community colleges, invest $500 million to support innovative, on-the-job training and apprenticeship programs for those who don't go to college.

We also have to ensure that every American has quality, affordable health care. Here in South Carolina alone, 672,000 people are uninsured. I want to ask you-- how many of you know someone here in South Carolina who is uninsured? How many of you know somebody who may have insurance but it just doesn't pay for what the doctor or the hospital says you need?

Right to organize.
Reforming the tax code.
Tax cuts for working folks.
Making college affordable.
Universal health care.
Preparing for retirement.

Guys it all comes back to strengthening our economy and Hillary gets that like nobody else.

Tags: 2008 elections, Economy, Hillary Clinton, president (all tags)

Comments

78 Comments

Re: Unemployment Rising

We really need her in the Oval Office guys - she gets it like no one else.

by alegre 2008-04-05 06:32PM | 0 recs
Firsties

maybe

by NewHampster 2008-04-05 06:33PM | 0 recs
I've always wanted to do that

Nice diary Alegre.  Now I'll go read it. ;-)

by NewHampster 2008-04-05 06:34PM | 0 recs
Re: I've always wanted to do that

Good!  Don't forget to Rec it UP!

And to all of you...

Donate now!

... please ;o)

by alegre 2008-04-05 06:37PM | 0 recs
We need to stand up for better working conditions

both here and elsewhere. Its not a level playing field if companies can shift jobs to countries where there are few if any environmental standards and real unions are banned or members harassed or killed..

We also need to accept that the workplace of the future will be much more automated than it is now, and embrace that new technology so we can sell it.

Europe and Japan, because of higher labor costs, are embracing workplace automation and commercializing it. Both have serious government buy-in on robotics and workplace automation and there has also been discussion of its social implications long term. They realize that the long term trend is for factories and service jobs to continue the trend towards automation, and that companies in their countries can commericalize and market it. In that way they are creating some highly paid new jobs even as many unskilled jobs are going away.

We have DARPA Grand Challenge on autonomous navigation, but we are not really buying into many of the other technologies that will enable the automated workplace, unlike other countries.

A key technology in the automated workplace will be IPV6 which will dramatically increase the internetworking address space. Right now, we have offices full of people whose primary function is moving information between various machines, and those machines can't talk to each other. Bluetooth uses a form of zeroconf networking, which gives us an inkling of what is possible with IPV6.

Ultimately, we should realize that we can either embrace the future - and its new jobs and new vision of increased abundance without increased human work, and modest increase in high skilled jobs, if we can excel at it - which I think we could - or not.

But that means honesty.. It means discussing the changes. It means that as productivity increases, we, as a society, will need to employ fewer people.

Many people wont be needed, and we should figure out how to protect them, and enable them to make their time productive in learning and participating in society. They are not worthless.

People were not meant to do many of the jobs they do now. Thse jobs are better done by robots.

Or we can try to continue our denial and pretend that the jobs that are disappearing will someday return.

Its up to us.

Regardless of what we do, the unskilled jobs are going away. Lots of new technologies will continue to emerge, one by one, to be quickly commoditized.

We can deal with it or not. But implying that people are lazy because they can't find work will increasingly be cruel.

Personally, I also think we should tax inherited wealth very heavily, to prevent society becoming extremely stratified.

by architek 2008-04-05 07:20PM | 0 recs
Forgot my original point..

which was that as jobs disappear, wealth will concentrate in the hands of those who produce it, and the ranks of the jobless will increase globally.

We should * try to preserve as many jobs as we can in as many ways as we can, without doing deliberately stupid things. (like becoming Luddites for any reasons other than that we simply want to!)

One thing I keep thinking is that our push to make everything so efficient is making us very vulnerable to disruption by any unexpected changes. For example, so many teaching hospitals have closed that in emergencies, we wont have beds.. So, I think a good business case could be made that the government should encourage and incentivize a large amount of redundancy in situations where they are in the national interest.

Also, like Hillary said, there are lots of green jobs out there. Its not just in the green energy field.. we need to do a lot of cleaning..

For example, there is a huge problem with unhealthy housing and schools. We need to get those buildings cleaned up because they are hurting people.

Also, we should encourage decentralized, organic farming. We should encourage small scale power generation. We should encourage redundant communications and networking, via unused spectrum. My point is that our economy is becoming very efficient but its also becoming a monoculture which has a lot of scary vulnerabilities.

Encouraging small businesses in every feasible way is a way to avoid that.

maybe we could change the way we charter coprporations to make them more community based and less parasitic.

I don't know, but there are a lot of possibilities if we could just stop the forces that are trying to destroy the commons.

Go Hillary!

by architek 2008-04-05 07:36PM | 0 recs
and service cuts?.

back when Bush proposed his unfortunate tax cuts Hillary was telling it like it is, she called them service cuts.  That's in training too, and so not only do the rich get richer, the rest of us have a harder time learning new trades and taking care of kids and old folks while we're retraining.  This was predicted and she was one of the first to tell it like it is.  

by anna shane 2008-04-06 06:52AM | 0 recs
Dammit, Hampster!

But I wanted to be first...

So much for me reading first... hehe ;-)

by atdleft 2008-04-05 06:38PM | 0 recs
Re: Firsties

Heh - nearly ;o)

Hey guys - Please use this link to send Hillary some love.

Donate Now!

Thanks my friends :o)

by alegre 2008-04-05 06:35PM | 0 recs
Re: Firsties

Done Alegre.  Got my paycheck yesterday, and am on on for the rest of the month for several (unfortunately) donations.  Wish I could do more, but I'm in the non-profit sector.  DAMN, I want this woman to be our president.  PERIOD.

by Gabriele Droz 2008-04-05 06:44PM | 0 recs
Re: Firsties

Hillary can always count on you Gabriele - ROCK ON!

by alegre 2008-04-05 06:56PM | 0 recs
Re: Firsties

Damn (and excuse me)
How the hell can those of us with minimal incomes compete with those who have far more incomes than ours?

Does our vote really count when the higher uppers can out-do us in those terms?

Does every vote truly represent a single vote, when some have a financial advantage?

And, if this is true, is it truly a Democratic one vote, one voice type of thing?

Just wondering.

Yes, it's all a fighting game right now, based on the current rules.  But are the rules fair?  And if you think they are, based on what kind of determination?

by Gabriele Droz 2008-04-05 07:04PM | 0 recs
Re: Firsties

I hear ya Gabriele.  My family and I can't afford to donate tons of cash - we do what we can in that regard.

There are lots of other ways to help Hillary if you can't send $$$$.  Blogging for instance. I'm convinced that we here in our little corner of the blogosphere do our part and then some to help get her message out.

Then there's phone banking via Hillary's Activate online system.

I wish like hell I could get up to PA to help on the ground but with two small ones at home to take care of, that's nearly impossible.  So I'll probably go into the campaign office to make phone calls tomorrow afternoon.

by alegre 2008-04-05 07:29PM | 0 recs
We have them outnumbered

Imagine 5 million people giving just a dollar a day. 5 million people isn't a big fraction of our population, but we could raise over 2 billion dollars in a year.

Are there members of the super-rich who could match that? Sure. But they would have to dig deep and it would hurt, because there just aren't as many of them as there are of us.

by Purplepeople 2008-04-06 06:58AM | 0 recs
by alegre 2008-04-05 06:34PM | 0 recs
Re: Forfot the Link

"Forfot?" Yes, Hillary was at the forefront of the fight! LOL

by KnowVox 2008-04-05 07:26PM | 0 recs
Re: Unemployment Rising

Great diary, as always, alegre. Rec'd. I just got some money from my mother so I'm tipping both you and Hillary tonite.

Btw, that video link doesn't seem to embed properly... Perhaps you can fix it, oh wise and mighty queen of the Rec list.
:-)

by DemAC 2008-04-05 06:41PM | 0 recs
Re: Unemployment Rising

Ahh crikey - thanks for reminding me!  I forgot to fix that after I posted this!

by alegre 2008-04-05 06:57PM | 0 recs
Re: Unemployment Rising

You're more than welcome. Your diaries are a delight and an inspiration.

by DemAC 2008-04-05 07:15PM | 0 recs
Re: Unemployment Rising

Thanks DemAC - for the kind words and for helping Hillary out ;o)

by alegre 2008-04-05 07:31PM | 0 recs
Yes, we do!

We can't afford 4 more years of this "free market" far-right crap. McCain's even admitted that he knows nothing about the economy. We need a President who gets it, and Hillary does. :-)

by atdleft 2008-04-05 06:41PM | 0 recs
Re: Unemployment Rising

Sorry but I truly don't think she get it at all. It was a clinton that started the deregualtion of the banking system, which has lead to the abusive leanding practices of mortgage companies. She was there when it happened and I haven't heard a story about how she disagreed with with that policy so I can only assume she agreed with it. And now she wants the privilege of fixing the very mess she did nothing to prevent. Sorry no do overs.

by lion king 2008-04-05 08:49PM | 0 recs
Re: Unemployment Rising
Point of order. The Glass-Steagall act was repealed during Clinton's presidency by an act of Congress under heavy pressure from lobbyists. It is unfair to call this a Clinton initiative (which it wasn't).
Go to NYTimes website and read Paul Krugman's numerous posts on the lack of oversight at the Securities and Exchange commission that stands at the heart of this situation. Both Bill and Hillary Clinton have gone on record as to the role of government in helping balance out Market Imperfections. Hillary "named this game" a long time ago (see atdleft diary posted 4/5). Also see Hillary's segment on "Mad Money" this past week. You can continue to believe what you like, but the facts don't fit.
by pan230oh 2008-04-06 06:44AM | 0 recs
Phil Gramm, who is a

financial advisor to McCain - shepherded the Act thru Congress.  The Gramm Leach Blilel Act (All republicans) repealed Glass Steagall.  

by Xanthe 2008-04-06 02:24PM | 0 recs
Re: Unemployment Rising

Good, positive diary.

As usaul, you are an excellent advocate for your chosen candidate and you take the high road.

I enjoy reading your work, Alegre.  

Since I plan to vote for the winner who is nominated, I have to say that reading your work has made me more comfortable with that vote if Clinton wins then I might have been last year.

Thank you.  You do all a good service in this advocacy, even the Obama supporters who may not see it.

by TomP 2008-04-06 09:56AM | 0 recs
Tipped for positivity

Good diary.  McCain won't have a prayer in November due to the economy as he is Mr. Do Nothing for Individuals Do everything for Wall Street fat cats.

Recommended.

by Student Guy 2008-04-05 06:34PM | 0 recs
Re: Tipped for positivity

Oh my... McCain.  I'd hate to think of how long he'd let that phone ring.

by alegre 2008-04-05 06:36PM | 0 recs
Would McCain even hear...

The phone ringing? I doubt it. He's too tone deaf to just about everything affecting working-class people.

by atdleft 2008-04-05 06:39PM | 0 recs
Re: Would McCain even hear...

rrring
zzz zzz zzz...

rrring
zzz zzz uhm...?

rrring
- John! Honey, what's this noise in the middle of the night?

rrring
- Oh, I'm sure it's just the wealth trickling down to the poor my dear. Let's go back to sleep.

rrring
zzz zzz zzz...

by DemAC 2008-04-05 06:53PM | 0 recs
Re: Would McCain even hear...

rring

zzz

rring

zzz

rring

zzz

rring

zzz

rring

zzz

rring

Secret Service guy picks up the phone

I am sorry we don't take calls at this hour I am sure your crisis can wait until another time.

John McCain in his sleep "Bomb Bomb Bomb..."

by Student Guy 2008-04-05 07:59PM | 0 recs
Re: Tipped for positivity

"John!"

"Eh?"

"JOHN! THE PHONE!"

"WHAT ABOUT HOME?"

"THE PHONE!!"

"EH?"

Seriously, tho, good diary. I appreciate your focus on McCain. Even though we disagree on candidate, Alegre, and have a tiff from time to time, I will be the first to admit you have a way with words that few others do. It'll be of good use towards the nominee this fall.

by ragekage 2008-04-05 06:42PM | 0 recs
Re: Unemployment Rising

A sign hung in Big Dog's campaign campaign headquarters that read:

1. Change vs. more of the same
2. The economy, stupid
3. Don't forget health care

The more things change...

One Clinton used the recession to unseat a Bush, another will do it again.

by Caldonia 2008-04-05 06:50PM | 0 recs
Re: Unemployment Rising

Boy Caldonia - ain't that the truth?!

Takes a Clinton to clean up the messes of the Bush family. And do we ever need her help now!

by alegre 2008-04-05 07:03PM | 0 recs
Re: Unemployment Rising

She sure will, and President Obama will thank her in January for her help.

by ragekage 2008-04-06 05:55PM | 0 recs
Re: Unemployment Rising

This is Hillary's opportunity to win votes if she can show superiority on the economy.  And I think she can.

by Mike Pridmore 2008-04-05 06:51PM | 0 recs
Re: Unemployment Rising

We need her help bigtime.  The rust belt's hurting and she's just the person to get the job done.

by alegre 2008-04-05 07:05PM | 0 recs
Re: Unemployment Rising

Excuse me but Nafta, which helped rust the rust belt was a clinton policy.

by lion king 2008-04-05 08:51PM | 0 recs
Hillary openly opposed Bill on NAFTA

Or so I remember reading in Utne Reader or Mother Jones sitting in a Borders in San Francisco long ago... it was gossip in a washington gossipy column..

by architek 2008-04-06 06:35AM | 0 recs
Re: Hillary openly opposed Bill on NAFTA

Show me the Proof!

by lion king 2008-04-06 08:32AM | 0 recs
Complex issues need to be looked at realistically

>Show me the Proof!

Google for it.. I'm sure its out there.

Their marital disagreement was common knowlege at the time. It was one of many things they disagreed on over the eight years of Bill Clinton's administration.

I think that the solution to unemployment and loss of manufacturing jobs, especially in the midwest and south is complex. Lets not forget the reason many of those companies moved to those areas in the past was cheap labor. They were often labor intensive businesses.

You can't bring back the past but we CAN do what Hillary is suggesting and return to these agreements and either renegotiate them clause by clause or if that doesn't work, ditch them. But we also have to be cognisant that you can't bring back the past. We need much more than simplistic solutions if we are to bring back manufacturing jobs. We need to EXCEL at what we do to make that work. The USA has a huge number of advantages, not the least of which is our creative and technical infrastructure. But we are not taking the steps we need to take advantage of that and preserve it and its slipping away.

The solutions I have heard so far from Obama imply to me a lack of real understanding of what will make companies that will stay here and generate REAL jobs locate here over, say China or Latin America or Eastern Europe.

He seems to be falling back to the pork mentality which is well and good in some ways, ASSUMING THAT WHATEVER WE SPEND THAT PORK MONEY ON IS USEFUL.. but I worry because the 'if we build it they will come' attitude is wrong.

If the numbers are not there to make a business be able to be profitable in the Midwest or South or East or West it wont happen.

One thing I have heard neither candidate mention is perhaps its the corporate system and the social contract that is broken.

Why not encourage things like co-ops, instead of often somewhat predatory, parasitic corporations?

A co-op can ve viable where a corpration is not, and they offer JOB SECURITY..

We should be giving whatever tax benefits we give to co ops, not corps.

by architek 2008-04-06 02:30PM | 0 recs
Re: Unemployment Rising

Hillary is best equipped to handle the financial and economic crisis we face. She is the one who will focus like a laser on the economy.

by Zzyzzy 2008-04-05 06:57PM | 0 recs
Re: Unemployment Rising

Scary smart - that's Hillary!

by alegre 2008-04-05 07:31PM | 0 recs
It is the economy stupid!!!!!!

Hillary has been so on target in her concerns abut the economy for quite a while.  She is also on target with the specific fiscal issues she has addressed.  There is no doubt that she is the only one of the three candidates who has a clue about the economy.  

I hate it for so many to be out of work.  Our country desperately needs Hillary and we need her NOW!

by macmcd 2008-04-05 07:00PM | 0 recs
Re: It is the economy stupid!!!!!!

Paulette Revere - that's Hillary!

by alegre 2008-04-05 07:33PM | 0 recs
she saw this coming.

her economic stimulus package to address the housing crisis is $30 billion. and she rolled it out in january.

http://www.hillaryclinton.com/news/relea se/view/?id=5132

obama's is $10 billion. the thing about economic problems is, if you don't address them effectively, they'll hang around and give you another opportunity to do so ;-)

by campskunk 2008-04-05 07:05PM | 0 recs
Re: she saw this coming.

Half measures - just like his health care reform plan.

by alegre 2008-04-05 07:35PM | 0 recs
Re: Unemployment Rising

Oh come on we can give Obama a chance after all he is a fast learner. So what if it takes him 6 months to a year to get up to speed on health care and the economy. We've got plenty of time. Why does everyone care so much about someone who has a detailed grasp of the issues now. It's not like we are facing a crisis or anything!

by RedstateLib 2008-04-05 07:09PM | 0 recs
If he operates as usual, he'll have a response...

in a week - oh, and it will look a lot like Hillary's plan.  He might even borrow a few key phrases.

Hey, if it's good enough for Hillary, it must be good enough for Barry.

by Shazone 2008-04-05 07:33PM | 0 recs
I know you are all joking, but really, its going

to be very hard to turn the economy around. Its a problem that has been a long time coming and its going to be VERY hard to turn around and require a hug investment in people and education.

Everyone involved is going to need to be involved.

Universal healthcare would be a HUGE help to this process because IF WE HAD UNIVERSAL HEALTHCARE, IT WOULD BE MUCH EASIER FOR PEOPLE WITH NEW IDEAS TO START BUSINESSES.

Great ideas are nothing if they are not implemented. many countries, like Finland, for example, have incredibly fertile atmospheres for high tech business and part of that is their educational and healthcare infrastructures make it a place where people can concentrate on their business and nt worry about where they are going to get their staff from or how they will insure them or themselves.

It just works.

We still have the old 19th century highly adversarial mentality (for good reason, the workplace today in the US IS adversarial) and we are expecting to be able to compete with 21st century competitors? It wont happen, the world will pass us by.

Lets deal with the healthcare mess by making quality healthcare a right for everybody, and get this huge weight off of our backs. if we don't, we will be very, very sorry because the world waits for no-one.

by architek 2008-04-06 02:56PM | 0 recs
THIS is the reason I support Hillary.

She not only gets it...she understands the issue...she has empathy on the issue...and she has plans on the issue.

And this is how she operates on all of the important issues that we now face.

She's not even waiting for Day One because if you wait until then, a solution will still be months away.  People need a POTUS who will take action and not just show up and vote "present".

by Shazone 2008-04-05 07:31PM | 0 recs
Re: THIS is the reason I support Hillary.

She saw this mess coming last year - and has been pushing for action ever since.  Thing is - she's not waiting for next January.  She's been busy doing the job she's already go in pushing for action by Congress.

by alegre 2008-04-05 07:36PM | 0 recs
She's terrific, isn't she!!!

by Shazone 2008-04-05 07:40PM | 0 recs
Thorough as always, alegre. Thanks.

The economy should be a winning issue for Hillary. She's the only one I trust to pull us back from the brink of a recession.

by sricki 2008-04-05 07:52PM | 0 recs
Re: Thorough as always, alegre. Thanks.

Nobody knows this stuff like Hillary.  Brilliant. Driven.  Determined to help those who're hurting.

by alegre 2008-04-05 08:11PM | 0 recs
Re: Unemployment Rising
You bet she gets it! I am in a quandary here- seriously underemployed, my huband being denied workmen's comp benefits, daughter in college. I had to leave a job that paid enough to pay the bills because I was out of state so much and my husbands injury prevents him from doing the basic things necessary to keep the house going.
I am trying and fighting to hold on long enough to make it the next Dem administration. We need an economic stimulus here in NW PA and we need it BAD!
There are NO jobs available for me in this area, so I took a part time waitress job just to keep gas in the car and buy the absolute necessities.
I am afraid that soon we will be forced to have the phone/cable/internet turned off as we can no longer afford it.
But as long as I have a phone, I will keep making calls for the candidate that gets it- Hillary!
by ProudMilitaryMom 2008-04-05 07:54PM | 0 recs
Re: Unemployment Rising

Hang in there Mom - help's on it's way.

Hubby keeps telling me if we don't get a Dem back into the White House this time around, he wants to move us to his hometown in Ireland.

by alegre 2008-04-05 08:20PM | 0 recs
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I would hate to leave my beloved country but I would so LOVE to see Ireland and Scotland! My son and his wife keep trying for a posting to England so they can bring me over to visit!
Ireland- the Celtic Tiger, safe haven for knowledge, learning and books in the Dark Ages, amd from my reading, one of the earliest societies where women had an equal vote! ( At least until the influence of "civilization! lol)
I'm trying and I'm fighting- my Irish is definitely up!If Hillary can hang on- so can I!
by ProudMilitaryMom 2008-04-05 09:01PM | 0 recs
please, all of you..

Don't put too much faith in politicians, do what you need to do to preserve yourselves, first.

Hillary is so much better than Obama, but at this point, things don't look as good as we would like, and even if Hillary gets in, changes will be at best gradual. meanwhile, people will still be losing jobs and lives will be falling apart.

Historically, Dem. administrations have been far superior to Republican ones in terms of economic growth but the differences are measured in percentage points, not orders of magnitude. Do you know what I mean?

Also, there are a lot of wild cards.. to say the least.. At this point, anything could happen.

What if God forbid there is a terrorist attack and Bush 'has to' suspend the democratic process under the process they put in place last year-

See what I am getting at?

Politics has always been a luxury for the poor. If you are poor perhaps its best to do what you can, but compartmentalize your energy, don't spend all that energy on politicians when you really need to be doing whatever you can to keep the wolf away from the door.

I am sort of giving this advice to you but I am also talking to myself. This whole process is stressing me out tremendously. I just hope that I am wrong about Obama, thats all I can say. I was going to let myself get into an argument with someone on here about fascism today and then I thought to myself, do I really want to do this, now? Is it SMART?

NO.

by architek 2008-04-06 03:07PM | 0 recs
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Not that I want people to lose their homes or jobs or anything like that, but the economic down-turn maybe good for our nominee come November.
Its a lot easier for people to parade the "Personal Responsibility" crap when they are well fed and housed and can delude themselves into thinking that they and no one else contributed to their sucsess and that they played a "fair game" and everyone else is just lazy or otherwise bad.
Its sad but many people only vote for Dems when they need us and when they don't the couldn't give a crap about anyone else.
That's my take on itat least.
by goodleh 2008-04-05 08:15PM | 0 recs
They ARE 'fair game'

The poor are targeted when they have remaining wealth from their days as middle class. Poor people are soon separated from anything they own of value under our 'new feudalism' or whatever you want to call it.

Ask any homeless person how long he or she kept anything worth anything 'on the street'.

All across the nation, poor people are being evicted from low-rent apartments too, by slumlords. As gas prices are going up, people want to live in cities again which makes their apartments desirable, as long as they can be cleared of the low rent tenants and renovated, then sold off as condos.

There wont be any poor black communities in many big cities in ten years. Many of them are too valuable as real estate to remain poor black.

The well to do black people will be able to stay, but the poor and middle class will be gone.

by architek 2008-04-06 06:42AM | 0 recs
Obama is fine with that..

as his slumlord-befriending credentials attest.

he's a very valuable commodity to some people. He has this all figured out. He's a VERY smart man.

Nobody is saying that he isn't. He's just not the kind of Democrat that helps the poor or middle class much. He may, I would say probably will do more harm  than good. He won't be a Bush, but he will be far worse than Bill Clinton (who many black people hate because of welfare reform, which ignored the fact that there weren't jobs for poor people and tossed them off welfare anyway)

by architek 2008-04-06 06:45AM | 0 recs
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Obama saw this coming, and in fact proposed legislation last year:

April 25, 2007

"On the heels of reports that the housing market experienced its worst sales-month in 18 years and foreclosures are up 47% compared to last year, Senators Barack Obama (D-IL) and Dick Durbin (D-IL) today reintroduced the STOP FRAUD Act, legislation that combats mortgage fraud and abuse. In less than five years, there has been a 137 percent increase in the number of cases of mortgage fraud and abuse being investigated by the FBI.

The STOP FRAUD Act, which is aimed at stopping mortgage transactions that promote fraud, risk, abuse and underdevelopment, will provide the first federal definition of mortgage fraud and authorize stiff criminal penalties against fraudsters.

The Act also protects the legal rights of borrowers with risky, subprime loans."
 -Wash Post

by hootie4170 2008-04-05 08:23PM | 0 recs
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Just to add to this, a month before the above legislation Sen Obama expressed his grave concerns in this:
Letter to Fed Chairman Bernanke and Treasury Secretary Paulson (Mar 22 2007)

The Honorable Ben Bernanke
Chairman
Board of Governors of the Federal Reserve System
20th Street and Constitution Avenue, NW
Washington, D.C. 20551

The Honorable Henry Paulson
Secretary
U.S. Department of Treasury
1500 Pennsylvania Ave, NW
Washington, D.C. 20220

Dear Chairman Bernanke and Secretary Paulson,

There is grave concern in low-income communities about a potential coming wave of foreclosures. Because regulators are partly responsible for creating the environment that is leading to rising rates of home foreclosure in the subprime mortgage market, I urge you immediately to convene a homeownership preservation summit with leading mortgage lenders, investors, loan servicing organizations, consumer advocates, federal regulators and housing-related agencies to assess options for private sector responses to the challenge.

We cannot sit on the sidelines while increasing numbers of American families face the risk of losing their homes. And while neither the government nor the private sector acting alone is capable of quickly balancing the important interests in widespread access to credit and responsible lending, both must act and act quickly.

Working together, the relevant private sector entities and regulators may be best positioned for quick and targeted responses to mitigate the danger. Rampant foreclosures are in nobody's interest, and I believe this is a case where all responsible industry players can share the objective of eliminating deceptive or abusive practices, preserving homeownership, and stabilizing housing markets.

The summit should consider best practice loan marketing, underwriting, and origination practices consistent with the recent (and overdue) regulators' Proposed Statement on Subprime Mortgage Lending. The summit participants should also evaluate options for independent loan counseling, voluntary loan restructuring, limited forbearance, and other possible workout strategies. I would also urge you to facilitate a serious conversation about the following:

  • What standards investors should require of lenders, particularly with regard to verification of income and assets and the underwriting of borrowers based on fully indexed and fully amortized rates.

  • How to facilitate and encourage appropriate intervention by loan servicing companies at the earliest signs of borrower difficulty.

  • How to support independent community-based-organizations to provide counseling and work-out services to prevent foreclosure and preserve homeownership where practical.

  • How to provide more effective information disclosure and financial education to ensure that borrowers are treated fairly and that deception is never a source of competitive advantage.

  • How to adopt principles of fair competition that promote affordability, transparency, non-discrimination, genuine consumer value, and competitive returns.

  • How to ensure adequate liquidity across all mortgage markets without exacerbating consumer and housing market vulnerability.

Of course, the adoption of voluntary industry reforms will not preempt government action to crack down on predatory lending practices, or to style new restrictions on subprime lending or short-term post-purchase interventions in certain cases. My colleagues on the Senate Committee on Banking, Housing and Urban Affairs have held important hearings on mortgage market turmoil and I expect the Committee will develop legislation.

Nevertheless, a consortium of industry-related service providers and public interest advocates may be able to bring quick and efficient relief to millions of at-risk homeowners and neighborhoods, even before Congress has had an opportunity to act. There is an opportunity here to bring different interests together in the best interests of American homeowners and the American economy. Please don't let this opportunity pass us by.

Sincerely,

U.S. Senator Barack Obama

by moreperfectunion 2008-04-05 09:23PM | 0 recs
Mortgage Fraud and Abuse isn't the biggest problem

Look, many of the mortgages that are stealing people's homes are perfectly legit The biggest problem is DISAPPEARING MIDDLE CLASS JOBS.

For example, illness. Nomatter how many laws they have against mortgage fraud, people who lose jobs or have hours cut or who get serious illnesses will go into debt as a step on the road to poverty. Their equity will be stripped by the vultures who do such things. Its not some entitlement, its currency they use to pay off debts.

Since Obama seems so enamoured with keeping the current system, perhaps he could pass a law enabling people to get reverse mortgages on their body parts, (which are worth around $200,000 per person) so they could use that money to go to college or something. Or maybe he could legalize prostitution.

Anything to get some money flowing to poor people, if jobs are disappearing.

by architek 2008-04-06 06:52AM | 0 recs
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On the sub-primes- I found out recently that when someone loses a property to foreclosure, they can not take it as a deduction if it was their home and in many cases owe taxes on the "income!" Apparently the amount "forgiven" in the foreclosure is income! To make it worse, if it was an "investment" (the person did not use it as their main home) they can offset the "income" as a business loss and in many cases get a reduction in the taxes they owe.
It just seems so wrong to me that people can lose their home and then be expected to pay taxes on the loss.
by ProudMilitaryMom 2008-04-05 09:07PM | 0 recs
Yes, just like when you win a lawsuit against

some slumlord who has all their money in some asset prevention strategy that makes it impossible to get at. You still have to pay taxes on it and the health insurance companies will often sue you for it, even if you have not been paid and you will never get paid. Thats one of the big ways they advertise the asset protection schemes. The buyers love the thought of the poor peons getting sued after they 'win' some lawsuit against them, the poor fools.

by architek 2008-04-06 06:56AM | 0 recs
The GOP is trying to get some law passed that give

the health insurance company first crack at money won in any lawsuit for product liability, etc to repay them the money they have spent on doctor and hospital bills. So someone can be really sick and if they dont sue for enough and WIN they end up OWING MONEY ON THEIR CARE THAT THEY HAVE ALREADY RCEIVED AND THEY HAVE NOTHING FOR FUTURE CARE..

This is how American works now. You Obama fans are like babes in the woods, seriously. I wish I could be like you but once you KNOW, you CAN'T go back, ever.

by architek 2008-04-06 07:00AM | 0 recs
I think it's been done already -

there were some stories in the Chicago Tribune re this.  the clause was in the insurance papers.  Now they owe money to the insurance company because they paid off medical bills - and the insurance company wants the money - in two cases the sum won was less than the insurance payouts, so these people owe the insurance company that money and the overage.  

Lots of uproar in Chicago area - so I can imagine insurane companies want the cover of the "Law."    

by Xanthe 2008-04-06 02:35PM | 0 recs
we are talking and angry but its going to take

much more than we realize to turn this around. There are huge systemic problems with the way we have 'chosen' to do things.

personally, I think one of our biggest mistakes, was a court decision that was hijacked in the 1870s, I think, Santa Clara vs. Southern Pacific. Thats the law that gave corporations the rights of people.. (and let them get involved in politics)

Hillary is aware of this issue. lets hope she does something about it.

Here is some background..

http://reclaimdemocracy.org/personhood/

Thats one of the main reasons, I think, that things have gotten so screwed up..

by architek 2008-04-06 03:14PM | 0 recs
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Does anyone think Mark Penn gives a damn about the economic struggles in most of the nation?
Does anyone else here wonder how HRC's campaign would have played out if someone other than Mark Penn had been running it? A lot of progressives turned away and tuned out over this very issue.
It is obvious..(the Columbia fiasco the latest)he is for, or represents so much of what HRC is against.
I know he ran her campaigns in 2000 and 2006. He must be very good at what he does or he would not be representing the lobbying interests of large corporations and yes even nations. HRC's true voice was hidden behind Penn's master plan.
Now it is too late.

HRC probably should have been our next President.
When we look back at this campaign..read the books etc..it will be clear her decision to have Penn run her campaign was the most fateful of her political life.
We will probably never know what a HRC Presidency would have been like. That is our loss. But the fault of her choice.

by nogo war 2008-04-06 05:45AM | 0 recs
mentioning Subprime in 2007

DOES NOT MAKE YOU PAUL REVERE. This is yet another example of Hillary trying to cast herself in a more favorable light. Anyone who is even remotely following the industry knew in 2005, 2006 that this was going to erupt. We were already in the middle of the bubble in 2007.

It's great that she is focusing on the issue now, but why does she always feel the need to exaggerate?

by highgrade 2008-04-06 08:51AM | 0 recs
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Architek   I don't understand your comment about Bill Clinton's Welfare reform act
"who many black people hate because of welfare reform, which ignored the fact that there weren't jobs for poor people and tossed them off welfare anyway"
can you tell me what leads you to beleive that many black people hate Bill Clinton because of this ? as a African American I know first hand that he is not hated by many black people but actually Beloved by the Overwhelming magority of the AA community.(often called the first black president)  I hope I misread that or I may have taken your comment out of context  please clarify thanks
by wellinformed 2008-04-06 11:45AM | 0 recs
GOOD.. I am just remembering back to the 90s

I personally thought Bill Clinton was a good President too.

let me explain why I said that..

There are several things that bother me the most about so-called welfare reform. One is that poor single mothers are often in a really terrible situation. I was a child of a semi-poor single mother myself so I know this situation firsthand, but it was different for me in that my mother was much older than most single mothers, and she came from a well to do family, she had just been an artist, by choice, which I had mixed feelings about. In any case, I had the advantage growing up of being a voracious reader and an above average intelligence, and through high school I went to good schools.. But we were still poor and I had a far more difficult time of it than most people. I have more understanding of the problems of the black underclass than a lot of other white people I think because I have had this experience. For example, I realize how hard it is if you don't have a car. I realize how hard it is if you don't have money to take care of medical issues that come up (very, very hard, especially if you are trying to also keep a job) and I realize how once you are poor, how hard it is to get out of what becomes a vicious circle.

I have even had more than my fair share of something very similar to racism, which I don't really want to talk about except to say that there is a very large group of people in this country and the rest of the world who have such an extreme form of discrimination against them that they are often killed, left in garbage cans to die. Their existence is not acknowledged, they often are the victims of laws directed against their parents.

Clinton was trying to deal with a very real problem in the underclass, that of learned helplessness (look it up) But we need more carrots and less sticks.. If the carrots disappear, then no amount of sticks will work. If people don't have the skills to get jobs, or the jobs dont exist, no amount of punishment will get them into jobs.

I was in an adult course (in microcomputer repair, back when people did that) once with a bunch of adults who were coming out of the ghetto situation. It was basically hopeless because they didn't have the context they would have needed to absorb the course material. They didn't have the math, they didn't have the reading skills, and they didn't even know how to use a computer (it was the 80s and this was not the universal skill it is today)

This made me realize that the goal of our educational system need to be much more than they are today in order so that we can all remain prosperous. If we are not willing to spend the money, we shoud just accept a welfare state and stop the punitive measures and just give poor people money and encourage them to read and learn on their own free time.. oh, and give them healthcare..

:o

Treat people with respect and then good things will happen.

by architek 2008-04-06 03:30PM | 0 recs
That encouraging people to learn could be an

incredible thing..

The day is not far off when we will have to accept that the unskilled jobs are going for good.. Ad by unskilled, I mean at least 50% of the jobs people do today.

by architek 2008-04-06 03:33PM | 0 recs
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always brighten my day alegre

by sepulvedaj3 2008-04-06 12:24PM | 0 recs
Nothing new here - Main Street

always knows and feels recessions before the top officials looking down give the sacred word.

As long as the D word doesn't surface more often -- I remember the Donald using the D word a month ago or so.  Scared the heck out of me.  We are not privy to what these people are saying to each other - or where they are sending their money -  

by Xanthe 2008-04-06 01:53PM | 0 recs
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This is why there will be a Democrat in the White House next year.  If we can't win with 81% (81%!!!) of the country thinking were on the wrong track, our country in the midst of an unpopular war and our economy going in the tank, we got some issues in this party.

Good positive diary!!!

by chewie5656 2008-04-06 02:15PM | 0 recs
Overconfidence

is really stupid.. almost as stupid as Bush has been..

by architek 2008-04-06 05:55PM | 0 recs

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