Sheila Jackson Lee Booed by BO's Followers

I'll tell ya folks, I thought it got ugly on these boards but this is nothing compared to how Hillary's surrogates and big-name supporters are treated by BO's followers.  Take a look at how Congresswoman Sheila Jackson Lee was treated during a county convention in Houston earlier today...

The following was posted as a description of the video...

U.S. Congresswoman Sheila Jackson Lee from Texas (D-Houston) gets booed at Texas Senate District 13 Democratic Convention on March 29, 2008. Though her congressional district is overwhelmingly in support of Senator Barack Obama for President, Congresswoman Jackson Lee is a superdelegate and supporter of Senator Hillary Clinton in the 2008 U.S. Presidential Race. When she took the stage, she had to wait a couple of minutes for the booing and Obama cheering to subside and kept remarking, "I'll wait for you to stop."

I'm sorry but given all she's done over the years to fight for things we all believe in I simply can't believe they would boo her repeatedly during a speech in which she doesn't mention Hillary once.  Seriously - they booed her while she was saying I'm proud to be an American!

Would they rather she said God damn America instead?

A friend of mine heard about how she was treated and here's what he had to say...

Jesus.  She didn't say anything abut Hillary or Obama.  She was talking issues - poverty, health care, etc. they booed her when she said she was proud to be an American.  

Damn thugs.

Ya know it doesn't matter what they do to Hillary's supporters, surrogates and super delegates - we're standing by our gal.  Take Michael Nutter - Mayor of Philadelphia and super delegate for Hillary Clinton.  I can't imagine the pressure the angry mobs have applied to him for his decision to support Hillary over BO.  In an interview with ABC News regarding the right wrong Rev. Wright, he said he would have left the church of anyone who spewed that kind of hate and bigotry from the pulpit - rather than sit there and listen for 20 years.

Here's footage of what he said next - with parts of the news article of it to follow...

Then he went on to say this...

Nutter is sticking with Clinton ...

"Certainly the opportunity to demonstrate to my 13-year-old daughter that there is a bright future for her, that a woman could get elected president of the United States , is equally compelling," he said.

"I think that we are at this historical moment," Nutter said. "Either candidate will clearly make history. But you only get to vote for one. The most important thing is winning in November, putting a Democrat in the White House."

He added, "I'm a great fan of history. I don't know that when people are struggling to pay the bills, that they ultimately conclude that, 'Well, if we can just make history with this vote, then all of my problems will be solved.' It still, for me, always comes back to performance [and] track record."

Nutter met with both senators before deciding his endorsement. He brushes aside those who say he did not back Obama because Obama endorsed someone else for mayor.

"We're talking about president of the United States . They're not running for high school class president," he said.  

"I think Sen. Clinton is the absolute best candidate for not only Philadelphia but for other cities like us, certainly for Pennsylvania [and] the United States of America , to restore our leadership role all around the world." 

In a wide-ranging interview, Nutter voiced outrage that the Democratic Party is opposed to counting the Michigan and Florida primaries because both states scheduled the elections early in the primary season, against party rules. Clinton won those primaries -- though candidates were barred from campaigning in the states and Obama was not on the ballot in Michigan.

Lee's not backing down.

Nutter's not backing down.

Murtha - no way in hell he's backing down.

Gov. Rendell - nope.

And neither am I or Hillary's millions of other supporters.

So if you think she's worth fighting for then put your $ where your heart is folks and send her as much as you can squeeze outta your budget.  She's got a deadline coming up tomorrow night and has set a fundraising goal of $3 million over 3 days.

Let the bullies and haters know you're with our gal all the way through to Denver.

DONATE NOW!

We've raised over $8,000 over the past few weeks in our online community - let's see if we can make it to $12,000 by tomorrow night eh?  If we all do our part we can get there.

Tags: 2008 elections, Barack Obama, Democrats, Hillary Clinton, president, Rep. Sheila Jackson Lee, texas (all tags)

Comments

205 Comments

Re: Sheila Jackson Lee Booed by BO's Followers

Unbelievable - I can't ever see treating one of BO's supporters that way at a party convention.

Not in a million years.

What is with those guys in Texas anyway??!

by alegre 2008-03-30 01:20PM | 0 recs
Re: Sheila Jackson Lee Booed by BO's Followers

"Unbelievable - I can't ever see treating one of BO's supporters that way at a party convention.

Not in a million years.

What is with those guys in Texas anyway??!"

BO's supporters get treated like this everyday on this site. not saying it's out of bounds, Clinton's supporters are treated the same at Kos. but it's outrageously hypocritical to act like Obama supporters don't get bad treatment, too.

and as a Texan, i'll admit we're just fucked up that way, very sad. :(

by catchaz 2008-03-30 01:27PM | 0 recs
Re: Sheila Jackson Lee Booed by BO's Followers

I'm sorry but when has any big name supporter of his turned up here and got shouted down?  Or when have I ever gone into a pro-obama diary and shouted down the author the way folks did in mine about walmart - something that barely touch upon the campaign unil I posted my tip jar?

by alegre 2008-03-30 01:31PM | 0 recs
Re: Sheila Jackson Lee Booed by BO's Followers

What do you mean by "shouted down the author?" People raised questions about what you wrote.  Is that somehow inappropriate?

by politicsmatters 2008-03-30 01:32PM | 0 recs
Re: Sheila Jackson Lee Booed by BO's Followers

Speak of the devil... ;o)

by alegre 2008-03-30 01:43PM | 0 recs
Re: Sheila Jackson Lee Booed by BO's Followers

I don't understand this sort of response. I am always rational and logical. I don't call anyone names and I don't like it when people call me names.

by politicsmatters 2008-03-30 04:19PM | 0 recs
Re: Sheila Jackson Lee Booed by BO's Followers

You also attempt to move the discussion to subjects that do not address the current diary.

by J Rae 2008-03-30 04:47PM | 0 recs
Re: Sheila Jackson Lee Booed by BO's Followers

Fundraising is part of this diary.

Here's where it comes up:

"So if you think she's worth fighting for then put your $ where your heart is folks and send her as much as you can squeeze outta your budget.  She's got a deadline coming up tomorrow night and has set a fundraising goal of $3 million over 3 days.

Let the bullies and haters know you're with our gal all the way through to Denver.

DONATE NOW!

We've raised over $8,000 over the past few weeks in our online community - let's see if we can make it to $12,000 by tomorrow night eh?  If we all do our part we can get there."

by politicsmatters 2008-03-30 04:50PM | 0 recs
That policy of bringing a group of supporters

with you to every event is what the Bush people have done in the past. From the beginning, they also exert a huge amount of control as to who they let it. (They didn't/dont ever want anyone asking unscripted questions.)

if this is where politics is going, its really contrary to democracy..

I am really hoping that Hillary gets the nomination.

by architek 2008-03-30 05:56PM | 0 recs
Re: Sheila Jackson Lee Booed by BO's Followers

And by the way...

If you'd bothered to follow the link in the first line of this diary you'd have seen that I was talking about a diary of mine to which people responded with comments that had nothing to do with the subject in the diary.

Take a look at a lot of the initial comments left by you and your pals.  Tell me if ANY of them have anythng to do with the outrage discussed in the diary.  Or if you and your pals just saw one particular word and jumped on the chance to spread more of your BS about Hillary.

by alegre 2008-03-30 01:46PM | 0 recs
How dare those dirt peasants...

... boo their superiors.

by kraant 2008-03-30 09:24PM | 0 recs
Big names

"I'm sorry but when has any big name supporter of his turned up here and got shouted down?"

oops, sorry, i had no idea when you wrote that no BO supporter would be treated like that you meant only big name supporters.
personally, i don't think big name supporters or average Joe's/Jill's should be shouted down.

and personally i think supporters of both candidates treat the other's supporters like shit. not good.

by catchaz 2008-03-30 01:38PM | 0 recs
Read how HRC tried to hijack Credentials Committee

Senate District 13 Convention Report, HRC splits TX Dem Party

the Credentials Committee was responsible for bringing any challenges to delegates selected on March 4th. It was suppose to consist of 7 Obama Supporters and 7 Clinton supporters, an even split. As the Credential Committee met, the Obama campaign informed his supporters of the first nasty trick by HRC to disenfranchise Obama voters.  Apparently, two Obama people on the Committee LIED, they were really HRC moles. Once selected to the Committee the two alleged Obama supporters switched their support to HRC and tilted the committee to Clinton by a margin of 9-5.

As word spread throughout the convention floor, we were absolutely stunned. As a result of the Credential Committee's coup, a large amount of challenges were brought against Obama delegates in attempt to disqualify them. We had to vote each challenge down from the Committee one by one on the convention floor. At that point, Obama supporters and HRC supporters were visibly upset and beginning to engage each other heated rhetoric. We just couldn't believe what happened in the committee. To top it off, the HRC supporters voted on the Convention floor to uphold the disenfranchisement of Obama delegates.

by Lefty Coaster 2008-03-30 02:18PM | 0 recs
that's why

it's okay with BO followers to boo an older African American lady?  You mean, she has it coming?  My goodness, what has he inspired?  

by anna shane 2008-03-30 02:32PM | 0 recs
But it's OK to disenfranchise Obama delegates?

Using deception to disenfranchise them? That is far more offensive if you ask me.

by Lefty Coaster 2008-03-30 03:58PM | 0 recs
Re: But it's OK to disenfranchise Obama delegates?

Soooo... it's ok for a bunch of bullies to turn up at a DEMOCRATIC Party event, and boo and disrespect a woman who didn't once mention either of the candidates, but instead talked about the issues we ALL claim to care about?

Is THAT what you're saying here?

Because if it is then I sure and hell don't want ot be a part of a movement that goes out of its way to tear other DEMOCRATS down.

by alegre 2008-03-30 04:19PM | 0 recs
Re: But it's OK to disenfranchise Obama delegates?

Actually, she was booed while giving a speech supporting Hillary. You just can't make it out in that video -- you can in the video shot by a local TV station.

By the way, if any Congressman or woman goes against the passionate wishes of 90% of their constituency, they will get booed. And quite possibly voted out of office. There's nothing wrong with that, that's American democracy.

THEY serve US, not the other way around.

by Gimmeliberty 2008-03-30 05:02PM | 0 recs
Re: But it's OK to disenfranchise Obama delegates?

So they were really booing Hillary? The truth comes out.

by Lefty Coaster 2008-03-30 05:10PM | 0 recs
Re: But it's OK to disenfranchise Obama delegates?

As a delegate to one of the Texas conventions, and a first-hand witness to attempts to disenfranchise Obama delegates, I can understand why Clinton and Clinton supporters may not have received the warmest welcome.

Six of the seventeen members of our delegations had to go through unnecessary and time-consuming credentialing because their names had been challenged and removed from the rolls. All were verified and allowed to participate after an arduous process that required several extra hours at the convention. Of the eight Clinton supporters that showed up from our precinct, none had problems. I talked with members of at least four other precincts who experienced the same credential discrepancy between Obama and Clinton delegations. I won't even go into the two hours of rules challenges by Clinton supporters that delayed our vote and had no impact on the seating. Or the incidence of outright cheating in a tie-breaker for alternate slots.

For all the talk coming from the Clinton campaign about the disenfranchisement of voters in MI and FL, they certainly employed that approach as the main strategy here in Texas.  Maybe if they had spent more time insuring that their delegates showed up, and less time challenging voters, they might have done better at the convention. But this is just a microcosmic symptom of Clinton's macrocosmic problem; a failure of strategy and a failure of character.

by bookish 2008-03-31 05:58AM | 0 recs
Re: But it's OK to disenfranchise Obama delegates?

Soooo... it's ok for a bunch of bullies to turn up at a DEMOCRATIC Party event, and boo and disrespect a woman who didn't once mention either of the candidates, but instead talked about the issues we ALL claim to care about?

Is THAT what you're saying here?

Because if it is then I sure and hell don't want ot be a part of a movement that goes out of its way to tear other DEMOCRATS down.

by alegre 2008-03-30 04:19PM | 0 recs
But you already are a member of a movement

that goes out of its way to tear other DEMOCRATS down, the Hillary Clinton Campaign.

by Lefty Coaster 2008-03-30 05:15PM | 0 recs
Re: But you already are a member of a movement

game. set. match.

by fogiv 2008-03-31 12:02AM | 0 recs
by Soitgoes 2008-03-30 09:08PM | 0 recs
Re: Oh yeah?

In video number one, despite being led on by the woman (you?) in the video, nothing at all about what the Obama volunteer said suggests that he was trying to do anything other than provide her with the best info he could. He didn't tell her not to come to the convention. He didn't tell her not to vote for Hillary. He didn't tell her the convention had been cancelled.

In video number two, there is absolutely zero in the way of clarity as to what is happening, other than that someone's delegates aren't being seated. We don't know why, we don't know who. We have no context.

Video three is so full of ambient and other noises, I have a hard time understanding how you might possibly think anything of value could be gleaned from it.

All in all, short snippets with no context, and the commentary shut down to prevent debate. Sounds about like Clinton supporters.

Video four proves that an Obama supporter - quite young - agrees with some assertion by the videographer about rules being broken. Still no context, only soundbite.

by bookish 2008-03-31 07:54AM | 0 recs
Re: that's why

"Older AA lady"?  Come on, she's not playing shuffleboard in Florida -- she's a US Representative and accountable to her constituents.  I don't think the boos are any big deal -- you need a hard scaly skin to be a politician, and I'm sure Rep. Lee can take the catcalls as well as anyone.  

Her district voted heavily for Obama and some of her constituents aren't happy with Lee's early endorsement of Sen. Clinton.  However, Rep. Lee is principled and is sticking with her candidate, so... Her refusal to withdraw her endorsement is yet another reason I respect Lee.

IMO, this diary is mountains-from-molehills.

by Twin Planets 2008-03-30 10:23PM | 0 recs
Dude,

that's all you got? I have literally a hundred stories that would sail to the top of the Kos rec list if the names were switched.

Here's the difference: alegre offers video of a large number of Obama people with breathtakingly bad behavior, and your answer is one anecdote that is circulating though the blogs.

BTW, yes there were moles. On both sides. They tended to be in counties where their own side was badly outnumbered, and it is functionally encouraged by the party rules: delegates are not bound at county conventions. That why I saw some, too; we outnumbered Obama in raw numbers by at least 70/30. And my best mole story trumps yours, I guarantee, not just because I can give a first hand account, but because of what this guy did. dKos would organize a mob to get this guy if the campaigns were reversed.

Get over the preconception that both sides threw sharp elbows equally. If there is a reporter with any balls who will investigate my stories, even you might walk from the BHO campaign. Most ethical Dems would. But you probably won't have to face that moment of truth - the Obama Rules are in play.

by Pacific John 2008-03-30 03:19PM | 0 recs
Re: Dude,

LISTEN UP FOLKS - John knows what the heck he's talking about here!

by alegre 2008-03-30 04:21PM | 0 recs
Re: Dude,

Why  isn't this "TheFullBerry" being reported for troll rating every positive HRC comment being made?  

by miriam 2008-03-30 07:41PM | 0 recs
It's not just Texas, Alegre...

It's all over the nation. It seems like wherever the Obama Campaign goes, the supporters follow... And they have the worst attitudes I've ever seen. They booed Hillary at the New Hampshire "100 Club" dinner. They bullied non-Obama people at the Nevada Caucuses. They pulled nasty dirty tricks at the Texas Caucuses. They have no respect for anyone outside their "world", which is a real pity for them... As they're turning off so many of us to their candidate.

by atdleft 2008-03-30 01:28PM | 0 recs
I was at the NH 100 club dinner

they flew the kids in from Iowa to make a huge showing of booing Hillary.  Real class.

by NewHampster 2008-03-30 01:32PM | 0 recs
Re: I was at the NH 100 club dinner

That is complete bullshit.

They did NOT fly anyone in from Iowa for that dinner.  No way.

by bawbie 2008-03-30 02:01PM | 0 recs
Re: I was at the NH 100 club dinner

thye bused them in from the airport. they had tickets and signs ready for them at the obama sign-up table. it was a totally planned operation.

by campskunk 2008-03-30 02:41PM | 0 recs
Re: I was at the NH 100 club dinner

and you're proof of this is where?

that'd be a big story, I'd assume one news org somewhere would have documented it.

by bawbie 2008-03-30 03:07PM | 0 recs
Re: I was at the NH 100 club dinner

I'm going to break the spirit of my strike here and tell you to go to dkos and look at New Hampster's diaries.  There's one there with video clips of what happened and if you'll read the diary you'll find that the diarist spent the afternoon and evening checking people in for the event.  THey know a hell of a lot more than anyone else as to what went down that night.

Open up your mind and ya just might learn a few things here ya know?

by alegre 2008-03-30 04:24PM | 0 recs
Re: I was at the NH 100 club dinner

I'm willing to look at any information provided.  I just went an read every diary NewHampster posted between 1/1/08 and 1/20/08.  I saw nothing about the NH100 club dinner.  

If you could provide me a link I'd be glad to take a look at the evidence.  But I'm not going to just take your or NewHampster's word for it.  

by bawbie 2008-03-30 04:38PM | 0 recs
Re: It's not just Texas, Alegre...

I remember that bit in NH.  That was shameless - childish even.

A friend and I were talking about this the other day and their theory is that a lot of BO's younger followers grew up on the Net - rarely if ever having to deal face to face with people thay've verbally abused and stalked on line.

It's sad really.

by alegre 2008-03-30 01:33PM | 0 recs
Yes, it is...

And it's reprehensible that these Obama followers can't even practice proper etiquette. I guess they don't like it when someone else speaks instead of their own "leader".

by atdleft 2008-03-30 01:45PM | 0 recs
Re: Yes, it is...

Lack of maturity to be sure.  When the world revolves around you and what you want the rest of the world just don't matter.

by alegre 2008-03-30 04:29PM | 0 recs
IN TX,

a group of obamaites heckled Chelsea....CHELSEA!....at San Antonio College.

by John Wesley Hardin was a Friend to the Poor 2008-03-30 04:03PM | 0 recs
Re: IN TX,

Chelsea is a 28 year old career women acting as a spokesperson for a presidential campaign.  Sorry, getting heckled is part of politics.  I believe Senator Clinton called 'in the trenches' politicing "the fun part".

Granted the questions asking her opinion about how her mother handled the affair was a bit much but she handled it well.  Lets stop trying to pretend that she is still a little girl that must be protected and kept at arms length from the public and the press.  

by routerdude 2008-03-30 06:05PM | 0 recs
It's not just Texas, Alegre...

It's all over the nation. It seems like wherever the Obama Campaign goes, the supporters follow... And they have the worst attitudes I've ever seen. They booed Hillary at the New Hampshire "100 Club" dinner. They bullied non-Obama people at the Nevada Caucuses. They pulled nasty dirty tricks at the Texas Caucuses. They have no respect for anyone outside their "world", which is a real pity for them... As they're turning off so many of us to their candidate.

by atdleft 2008-03-30 01:28PM | 0 recs
Re: It's not just Texas, Alegre...

I don't approve of booing, but I must point out that there are plenty of reports of Clinton people acting badly as well.

by politicsmatters 2008-03-30 01:31PM | 0 recs
Re: It's not just Texas, Alegre...

I've seen no evidence of those "plenty of...." reports.

by Caldonia 2008-03-30 01:36PM | 0 recs
all you have to do is read comments here

i'm sorry, i don't think either group should shit on the other, but you are not being honest if you say the hassles and insults are one-sided. BITH sides trash the other. it sucks.

i went to my caucus in Texas, and there were Clinton organizers, but not Obama organizers. the Clinton-supporting caucus chair refused to answer simple questions from Obama supporters. total bullshit.

anyone, from EITHER side, that claims their side isn't throwing insults, too, is lying.

by catchaz 2008-03-30 01:42PM | 0 recs
Re: all you have to do is read comments here

There's a problem with your logic. Both sides were not equal. Few times in history are opposing sides similar.

I'll see your single rude-chair caucus story, and raise you 170. That's the number of precincts I  helped audit for irregularities in El Paso. We documented dozens of cases of probable fraud, including one I witnessed that I've repeated here a couple of times. (Gee, wonder why that story never leaked onto the Kos rec list;)

The number of similar allegations against us in El Paso: 0. Oh, there were the usual procedural debates about filling slots with the other sides' alternates, but nothing like we documented in our pile of affidavits.

I'd be happy to discuss this at length with a major print reporter, and can provide witness names and phone numbers for independent verification.

My conclusion was, about 20% of Obama operatives in El Paso were willing to break the law. (Many, like one I was paired with election night, are great, honest Democrats). And 20% was more than enough to change the vote in parts of the state where there was no push-back. It's my opinion that where there was a level playing field, the caucus vote was similar to the popular vote. BTW, we exceeded the popular vote, with an amazing 90% of county delegates, because we also turned out our people yesterday.

by Pacific John 2008-03-30 03:34PM | 0 recs
Re: all you have to do is read comments here

LISTEN UP FOLKS - John knows what he's talking about when it comes to El Paso!

by alegre 2008-03-30 04:34PM | 0 recs
Re: all you have to do is read comments here

Whoa, that was a weird TR.

by Pacific John 2008-03-30 04:56PM | 0 recs
Re: all you have to do is read comments here
unfortunately many Obama supporters think this is one long episode of "Survivor" and you are allowed to do what you want, when you want; whatever needs to be said or done to get your opponent "voted off the island".  yes, as an educator I've heard, discussed, and tried to direct students to a more distinguished and ethical understanding and work with in the system.  Many are completely brainwashed in pop culture and really can't apply ethics or decorum to this situation.
It is extremely distressing as an educator and I've tried to point them to the more accomplished, ethical, and articulate Obama and Clinton supporters.
by kfive 2008-03-30 09:47PM | 0 recs
Re: It's not just Texas, Alegre...

If so, let's see some links.

Video or a MSM source will do.

by bellarose 2008-03-30 01:53PM | 0 recs
Re: Sheila Jackson Lee Booed by BO's Followers

What's your prediction for March fundraising for Clinton and Obama?  Do you think Clinton will raise enough to pay the $8.7 million in debts she has from the primary?

Remember, under the campaign finance law, she can't use any of the money raised for the general election to pay primary bills.

by politicsmatters 2008-03-30 01:30PM | 0 recs
Re: Sheila Jackson Lee Booed by BO's Followers
yep keep on doing that.   keep pushing them more and more.  
try to humiliate them more and more.  I dare you.
by JoeySky18 2008-03-30 01:50PM | 0 recs
Re: Sheila Jackson Lee Booed by BO's Followers

I don't get it. Isn't this a place to discuss politics?  The diarist asked people to give money to Clinton. Now I'm asking them how they think the money is shaking out this month.  I ask Clinton supporters I know about this all the time and we have perfectly reasonable discussions.

by politicsmatters 2008-03-30 03:14PM | 0 recs
Re: Sheila Jackson Lee Booed by BO's Followers

Ok fine - just let us know when you post something in the true interst of a serious and respectful discussion.  So far all I've seen is insults and nastiness from you.

by alegre 2008-03-30 04:36PM | 0 recs
Re: Sheila Jackson Lee Booed by BO's Followers

I really do not think that I have been insulting in any way.  I certainly have not called anyone names. I used to be a Clinton supporter and some of my best friends are Clinton supporters. My mom is a Clinton supporter.

But I am used to vigorous back and forth about ideas. I train people to think critically in print and on their feet (at least that's part of my job). And this is a political blog where people, I would think, hash out ideas.

by politicsmatters 2008-03-30 04:54PM | 0 recs
Re: Sheila Jackson Lee Booed by BO's Followers

Totally off subject? or did I accidently get into a different diary?

by J Rae 2008-03-30 04:58PM | 0 recs
Re: Sheila Jackson Lee Booed by BO's Followers

God help America if somebody gets into trouble for booing their local politician.

God help America if a politician can't take being heckled.

(especially if that politician has a reputation for being tough with her own members of staff - all politics is local)

by My Ob 2008-03-30 02:03PM | 0 recs
Is she tough with her staff?
Tough and fair? or just tough no matter. That's what you imply. Just curious.
by Xanthe 2008-03-30 03:24PM | 0 recs
Re: Is she tough with her staff?

I am not saying that the reputation is true - it may be a lie/undeserved.

However, as I mentioned all politics is local and the people in that audience may have been aware that her staff turnover rate has been the highest of any member of Congress, according to the Capitol Hill weekly Roll Call. According to the local press that is because she is a brusque and imperious boss - a pattern dating from the time she was  serving on the Houston City Council.
http://www.houstonpress.com/1997-02-20/n ews/what-s-driving-miss-shelia/

If I were to boo a politician a mean employer is the one  I would boo - sort of pay back on behalf of the little people.

by My Ob 2008-03-31 01:40AM | 0 recs
Re: Is she tough with her staff?

Ouch.  Tough article, though I don't know the paper's affiliation.  But as a staff person for many years, I get it.  

I doubt she was being booed for that though.  

thanks for the interesting article.

by Xanthe 2008-03-31 06:49AM | 0 recs
Re: Is she tough with her staff?

Speaking of affiliations and staffers, the same poll of staffers that voted Hillary brainiest member of Senate voted Sheila Jackson-Lee 2nd meanest House member.
http://www.washingtonian.com/articles/me diapolitics/1666.html

(Barack received more votes for "rising star" than all the other contenders combined)

by My Ob 2008-03-31 07:16AM | 0 recs
The rising star thing

doesn't move me at all.  It can go to show that he has been given the mantle - he has been chosen by the party - in other words, politics as usual. Though that is not his theme.

but as I've said before - I will certainly vote for him in GE.  

by Xanthe 2008-03-31 07:39AM | 0 recs
Re: Sheila Jackson Lee Booed by BO's Followers

SO you have no problem with the way BO's followers treated her then eh?

by alegre 2008-03-30 04:37PM | 0 recs
Re: Sheila Jackson Lee Booed by BO's Followers

I work for a Congressman, and I don't.

Representatives are not on a pedestal above their constituents. They work FOR their constituents. And let me tell you, if my boss does something that pisses them off, they'll let us know in no uncertain terms.

And you know what? That's how it SHOULD be.

by Gimmeliberty 2008-03-30 05:11PM | 0 recs
Ripe for a Primary Challenger!!

hell's yeah!

by Andre X 2008-03-30 02:04PM | 0 recs
Did you see the video of Obama Thugs....

trying to convince Texas Hillary caucus delegates that they were supposed to vote for Obama?

It was so outrageous I couldn't believe it.  There are all sorts of reports like this out of Texas.

You can tell a person by the company they keep Mr. Obama.

by Shazone 2008-03-30 02:24PM | 0 recs
Re: Did you see the video of Obama Thugs....

Yeah I saw it - that caller was absolutely shameless.

by alegre 2008-03-30 04:39PM | 0 recs
Re: Did you see the video of Obama Thugs....

Same thing happened to me the other way around. I got an email from the Clinton campaign informing me that I was a Clinton delegated and expected to be at the County Convention voting for Hillary.

I pretty much ignored it.

by Texas Gray Wolf 2008-03-30 06:58PM | 0 recs
What Effrontery!

A politician is booed at a party gathering.

This has never happened in human history before has it?

by Lefty Coaster 2008-03-30 02:44PM | 0 recs
Re: Sheila Jackson Lee Booed by BO's Followers

At our county convention yesterday we had TWO Obama superdelgates speak to our caucus.

They got nothing but respect and applause.  There were some quiet jeers and words thrown out when Obama's or Clinton's names were mentioned but they were mostly under the breath type of thing.

Those that tried stuff like that on the video were shouted down by Obama and Clinton supporters alike.

What happened to Rep. Jackson-Lee is dispicable and detestable.  I'm sure the other un-pledged Super-delegates will appreciate this video.  I'll be sending a copy to the other 250+ Texas Super's that are uncommitted at the moment and see how they feel about Rep. Jackson-Lee was treated.

by TxDem08 2008-03-30 03:02PM | 0 recs
Re: Sheila Jackson Lee Booed by BO's Followers

What exactly are the uncommitted Super-delegates supposed to do with the video? are they supposed to get upset that Rep. Jackson-Lee was booed and therefore support Clinton? Maybe support Rep. Jackson-Lee as in defend her in the press?

by poserM 2008-03-30 03:25PM | 0 recs
Re: Sheila Jackson Lee Booed by BO's Followers

Frankly, I would think that it would bother superdelegates less than having Mark Penn saying that Richardson's endorsement didn't matter and Carville calling him a Judas.  When it comes from people close to the candidate, other politicians are more likely to see the tone as linked to the candidate.

by politicsmatters 2008-03-30 03:36PM | 0 recs
Re: Sheila Jackson Lee Booed by BO's Followers

That can not be further from the truth.  Penn and Carville are paid agitators (my term), it's what they do.  The un-pledged delegates or Super's are not overly influenced by them.

They do notice how the supporters of one of the Candidates act, and how the campaigns react to them, and how they control their supporters.

If that wasn't the case, you wouldn't be here or calling for Clinton to drop/out, dead, or go to hell (in general-not specifically you) or trying to influence your circle and go out and 'show' support for your candidate.

Calls have already gone out to Obama himself, and we shall see what he does to address this act.

by TxDem08 2008-03-30 04:10PM | 0 recs
Re: Sheila Jackson Lee Booed by BO's Followers

My guess is he'll remain silent on this as he has re so many other incidents.

by alegre 2008-03-30 04:45PM | 0 recs
Re: Sheila Jackson Lee Booed by BO's Followers

So now if some of his supporters in a district in Texas, where Obama has the majority, express their disapproval of their representative for supporting a different candidate by booing, he should do something about it?

I can't begin to express how ridiculous that sounds to me.

by GFORD 2008-03-30 06:44PM | 0 recs
Re: Sheila Jackson Lee Booed by BO's Followers

They were practicing their right to redress their elected official.

Who happens to be a super delegate.

Damn democracy.

by pinche tejano 2008-03-30 08:23PM | 0 recs
Obama's Suporters

Will make it very difficult for many Clinton supporters to "fall in line" should he be the nominee

by Wiseprince 2008-03-30 01:21PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama's Suporters

Not this one.  I'm a Democrat through and through.  I may not be as enthusiastic about my support but I'll definitely vote for whoever our nominee is.

After all, I'll be following my candidate's fine example ;o)

by alegre 2008-03-30 01:24PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama's Suporters

And so will I but it would be nice if BO supporters could stop going out of their way to piss off less committed HRC supporters who may have a hard time getting over their anger.

david

by giusd 2008-03-30 02:40PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama's Suporters

I can't wait for HRC to campaign for Obama.

by Lefty Coaster 2008-03-30 05:18PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama's Suporters

That's really good to hear, Alegre. You have a lot of sway on this site, and if BO pulls it off, it will be great to have you supporting him.

by grover738 2008-03-30 06:04PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama's Suporters

I'm really glad to see this post.

I look forward to your diaries going after McCain come the GE regardless who is in. :)

by routerdude 2008-03-30 06:12PM | 0 recs
Re: troll rate

Another astute troll by the ever judicious TheFullBerry.

by oh puhleeze 2008-03-30 11:11PM | 0 recs
Re: Sheila Jackson Lee Booed by BO's Followers

that's too sad. i love Sheila Jackson Lee.

but "booing" is hardly new to politicians. as long as they didn't shout insults they were within their rights. we should be able to get feedback to our elected officials. sometimes, audience response is all we've got.

but i wouldn't have chosen this way myself. while i'm troubled by Lee's support of Clinton despite her hideous campaign tactics, Lee has a lifetime of good work we should all honor.

by catchaz 2008-03-30 01:24PM | 0 recs
Re: Sheila Jackson Lee Booed by BO's Followers

Yeah, why don't you go ahead and send her more money?  She has lots of debts and she can't pay them with money from general election contributions. Her big donors can't give anymore for the primary, so she needs you small donors to pay those poor folks who did work for her and are waiting to be paid. Hopefully none of them lose their businesses while they are waiting to get paid.

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/030 8/9259.html

by politicsmatters 2008-03-30 01:24PM | 0 recs
Re: Sheila Jackson Lee Booed by BO's Followers

Why downrate me? The diary asked people to send money to Hillary. That was part of the subject of the diary.

by politicsmatters 2008-03-30 03:15PM | 0 recs
Re: Sheila Jackson Lee Booed by BO's Followers

pathetic.

by canadian gal 2008-03-30 01:26PM | 0 recs
Re: Sheila Jackson Lee Booed by BO's Followers

So your example of "getting ugly" is when people point out that HRC was on the Walmart board and could have done something about their policies then?

by politicsmatters 2008-03-30 01:27PM | 0 recs
Re: Sheila Jackson Lee Booed by BO's Followers

what is more ugly is Obama supporters never talk about Michelle's tie with Walmart.  

Or how much Obama received money from lobbyists while he keep saying that he never take their money.

by JoeySky18 2008-03-30 01:35PM | 0 recs
Re: Sheila Jackson Lee Booed by BO's Followers

Michelle didn't have a "tie" with Wal-Mart. She was on the board of a company that sold stuff to Wal-Mart. A lot of companies sell things to Wal-Mart - by that standard, I have a "tie" to Wal-Mart because I sold Boy Scout popcorn in front of one when I was a kid.

Hillary was on Wal-Mart's board. No comparison.

by amiches 2008-03-30 01:45PM | 0 recs
Re: Sheila Jackson Lee Booed by BO's Followers

So she didn't do ANYTHING about Walmart's policy's?

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/05/20/us/pol itics/20walmart.html?_r=1&pagewanted =2&oref=slogin

She didn't insist and convince them to build eco-friendly buildings?

"Under her watch, the advisory group drew up elaborate plans. Consumers would bring in used motor oil and batteries for recycling. Suppliers would reduce the size of their packaging. And Wal-Mart would build stores with energy-saving features.

Wal-Mart executives put much of the program into place. In 1993, for example, they opened an experimental "eco-store" in Kansas, with skylights and wooden beams from forests that had not been clear cut.

One executive derided it as "Hillary's store" because it was more expensive to build than the average Wal-Mart, but several of its features, like the skylights that cut energy bills by reducing the need for artificial lighting, were widely copied across the industry."

She didn't push for women to be put on Walmart's board?

"John E. Tate, who served as a director with Mrs. Clinton from 1988 to 1992, recalled that by her third board meeting Mrs. Clinton had announced "that you can expect me to push on issues for women. You know that. I have a reputation of trying to improve the status of women generally, and I will do it here."

She didn't use her position to help influence business and help education in Arkansas?

"For Mrs. Clinton, being a director at Wal-Mart gave her access to several of the state's most powerful business executives. In the early 1980s, for example, Mr. Walton was instrumental in building support for a corporate tax program, pushed by Mrs. Clinton, that financed a major education overhaul in Arkansas, a signal achievement of her husband's governorship."

Was she smart enough to use her position to influence policy?  Did she "play the game" to get what she needed/wanted in the long term?

Don't we all?  Don't we all let the boss's comments and/or behavior get a pass sometimes, because he's the boss?

How did the other Walmart board people feel?

""She was not an outspoken person on labor, because I think she was smart enough to know that if she favored labor, she was the only one," Mr. Tate said. "It would only lessen her own position on the board if she took that position."

Did you think you could wheel out Walmart like it would hurt her?  Silly you.

by TxDem08 2008-03-30 03:35PM | 0 recs
Re: Sheila Jackson Lee Booed by BO's Followers

So it was ok that she didn't speak out on labor policies because she was outnumbered?  I think some leadership on that could have mattered. When NO ONE speaks up on a board, then the others think the policies are fine and dandy.

by politicsmatters 2008-03-30 05:18PM | 0 recs
Re: Sheila Jackson Lee Booed by BO's Followers
that's a pretty funny comment from an Obama supporter considering how many times he avoided the controversial subject and took the expedient "present" vote.  And his self disclosed regret over the Terry Schiavo vote.  Why didn't he speak up then and let others know where he stood on that issue?
come on...........
by kfive 2008-03-30 09:54PM | 0 recs
Wally World

I read that NYT article too, I don't see that HRC could have done much more than she did. You've got to pick your battles. If she'd have gone to bat for the unions, she'd have gotten nowhere, and possibly lost the standing she did have that helped get the positive things you listed above done.

I'm an Obama supporter who can't stand Wal-Mart, but attacking HRC for her time on the board is weak.

by grover738 2008-03-30 06:09PM | 0 recs
Re: Sheila Jackson Lee Booed by BO's Followers

So her constituents aren't allowed to express their displeasure at her decisions?

God forbid they criticize Queen Hillary the Inevitable.

by amiches 2008-03-30 01:29PM | 0 recs
Re: Sheila Jackson Lee Booed by BO's Followers

There are more civilized way to express your decision without degrading a human being.

by JoeySky18 2008-03-30 01:47PM | 0 recs
Re: Sheila Jackson Lee Booed by BO's Followers

Undoubtedly, but she works for them, not the other way around. She's not obligated to support the candidate her constituents support, but folks shouldn't whine when she gets some flak for her decision.

by amiches 2008-03-30 01:52PM | 0 recs
Re: Sheila Jackson Lee Booed by BO's Followers

And no doubt they may express their displeasure in a much more civil way next time she's up for re-election.

by TheSilverMonkey 2008-03-30 03:26PM | 0 recs
Re: Sheila Jackson Lee Booed by BO's Followers

Her constituents can voice thier displeasure with her or her policies, when she or they are engaging each other at one of her speeches/office(s).

NOT when representing the Democratic Party or speaking on behalf of the Party to Party DELEGATES/Officals.

That's right.  ALL Delegates/Alternates elected at the Primary caucus are Party officials.  What you just witnessed on that video is Obama supporters WHO ARE PARTY OFFICALS (however temporary) booing another Democrat at an event of Democratic Party election/caucus.

What happened to party Unity?  I guess it's only when supporting their half of the Party.  So far two responses from Super-delegates from Texas.  I have sent an addn'l query to them asking them if I can re-print their responses to the Video.  The inital reaction in general?  There will be a whole host of new Texas Super-delegates announcing very quickly.

Great job Obama Democrats.  Great job.

by TxDem08 2008-03-30 03:45PM | 0 recs
Hi, Alegre. I just returned from a long

overdue vacation to Cancun, Mexico. No TV. No newspapers. No internet. Just sunshine, torquoise oceans, and beer. I needed it big-time! Now I'm back and ready to donate some more to Hillary. I didn't spend everything I had allotted, so Hill gets the rest! BTW, the locals I talked to love Hillary! They are really rooting for her to win...

by Rumarhazzit 2008-03-30 01:30PM | 0 recs
Re: Hi, Alegre. I just returned from a long

Yes, do go ahead and donate so HRC can pay those poor folks who extended credit to her campaign.

by politicsmatters 2008-03-30 01:33PM | 0 recs
Re: Hi, Alegre. I just returned from a long

The reality is that HRC owes a lot of money.  Why would you downrate a comment about that?  

by politicsmatters 2008-03-30 03:16PM | 0 recs
GOD

this guy has quickly become the rudest, biggest jerk on this site.  

quite the feat that!

guess he's been practicing his annoying low skills for years.

quite a guy.

by John Wesley Hardin was a Friend to the Poor 2008-03-30 04:20PM | 0 recs
Re: GOD

I'm not a guy. I'm a middle aged woman who is a lifelong Democrat and feminist. I have worked in feminist grassroots organizations - race crisis centers and battered women's shelters - but now support them via donations. I am union member who used to be an official in my union.

And I would hope that you would be able to talk about campaign finance, as the diary did bring up donating to Clinton.  

And I don't think I've been rude. The diary called for people to donate to HRC. My point has been that she does really need the money.  Why would you want to limit speech about that?

by politicsmatters 2008-03-30 04:59PM | 0 recs
Re: GOD

you arent  just rude in this diary, you are always rude.

you are insulting, you obviously have Clinton "issues" and it saddens and depresses me that you are union.

The idea that you actually believe that people would buy your passive aggressive defense of your repeated goading makes me guess its not a AFL union.

by John Wesley Hardin was a Friend to the Poor 2008-03-30 05:28PM | 0 recs
Re: GOD

which union?  I'm just curious.  

by searchforsolidarity 2008-03-30 06:05PM | 0 recs
Re: GOD

which union?  I'm just curious.  

by searchforsolidarity 2008-03-30 06:06PM | 0 recs
Re: Hi, Alegre. I just returned from a long

So the locals in Cancun "count", but latte-sipping, Prius-driving Americans don't?

Funny logic.

by amiches 2008-03-30 01:47PM | 0 recs
Re: Sheila Jackson Lee Booed by BO's Followers

If they want to talk about the SDs vote along the line of people in the district. Then Kennedy and Kerry need to endorse Hillary, same as Bill Richardson.

They can't have it both way.

by JoeySky18 2008-03-30 01:33PM | 0 recs
We love u Uni

;-)

by NewHampster 2008-03-30 01:33PM | 0 recs
Re: Sheila Jackson Lee Booed by BO's Followers

Those thugs! They should just be civil and compare what she said to 9/11 instead!

http://www.mydd.com/story/2008/3/29/6542 3/4259

by furiousxgeorge 2008-03-30 01:34PM | 0 recs
Re: Sheila Jackson Lee Booed by BO's Followers

what are you saying?  she didn't make that video.  GOP will use Wright and make a more nasty video than that one.

by JoeySky18 2008-03-30 01:37PM | 0 recs
Re: Sheila Jackson Lee Booed by BO's Followers

Great!  Please take care of the creditors.

"A pair of Ohio companies owed more than $25,000 by Clinton for staging events for her campaign are warning others in the tight-knit event production community -- and anyone else who will listen -- to get their cash upfront when doing business with her. Her campaign, say representatives of the two companies, has stopped returning phone calls and e-mails seeking payment of outstanding invoices. One even got no response from a certified letter."
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/030 8/9259.html

by politicsmatters 2008-03-30 01:36PM | 0 recs
Re: Sheila Jackson Lee Booed by BO's Followers
Did you read the whole story?  
"Her campaign, say representatives of the two companies, has stopped returning phone calls and e-mails seeking payment of outstanding invoices. One even got no response from a certified letter."
by JoeySky18 2008-03-30 01:40PM | 0 recs
Re: Sheila Jackson Lee Booed by BO's Followers

I did. I hope HRC can pay these bills.  It's not fair to the businesses, which need to pay their own bills and to meet their payrolls.

by politicsmatters 2008-03-30 01:43PM | 0 recs
Re: Sheila Jackson Lee Booed by BO's Followers

I'm pretty sure none of the bill will be left unpaid.  

And I don't like the way you keep touting on this matter.  Discuss the issues, the debate, the policy of the candidate.  Who will be the best president?    Stop trying to go for the kneecap or as your candidate put it the Tanya Harding option.

by JoeySky18 2008-03-30 01:59PM | 0 recs
Re: Sheila Jackson Lee Booed by BO's Followers

Obama didn't say anything of the sort. I believe that if a candidate can't manage her campaign's budget, she can't be trusted with the much bigger and complicated budget of the federal government. Thank goodness she'll never get anywhere near it.

by amiches 2008-03-30 02:50PM | 0 recs
Re: Sheila Jackson Lee Booed by BO's Followers

People on political blogs normally talk...politics. And part of politics is fundraising, as is polls and the treatment of voters at a local convention toward a politician.

by politicsmatters 2008-03-30 03:18PM | 0 recs
Re: Sheila Jackson Lee Booed by BO's Followers

Why don't you write your own diary and stop trolling hers?

by bellarose 2008-03-30 01:57PM | 0 recs
BO's Followers

talk about more of the same, it was dangerous to be friends with Bill, his friends got investigated and hounded and harasses.  To treat a woman, and someone who's of a certain age and has been a fearless pubic servant, is horrifying. It's damn scary, and it's ugly and it is being encouraged by their candidate. Has Obama ever told anyone to treat women with respect, to not scare and bully women?  This is getting to be way too much, that man must speak out, he has daughters, does he really think he needs supporters who bully older women?   This is beyond necessary, it makes me think he likes it, it's to him a sign of love.  I'm so depressed, I admire Lee, she's brilliant, and a fearless advocate for the weak.  Who in our party will stand up against this hate?  

by anna shane 2008-03-30 01:41PM | 0 recs
Re: BO's Followers

Who are you talking about?

by amiches 2008-03-30 01:49PM | 0 recs
Re: BO's Followers

Bully?  Nobody bullied her.
Hate?  Nobody said anything hateful about her.

All that happened is they boo'ed her when she came to speak because she isn't supporting the candidate that her own district has chosen.  They expressed their displeasure en masse.

You are blowing this way, way out of proportion.  

by GFORD 2008-03-30 06:55PM | 0 recs
Sheila Jackson Lee Booed by BO Followers

It's just rude and there's not excuse for it.  Show some class, otherwise find your way to the exit.

by venavena 2008-03-30 01:42PM | 0 recs
if support HRC, send her money

As this diary says, if you support HRC, you have to send her money.

Please help her and these folks:
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/030 8/9259_Page2.html
She owed Iowa's Sioux City Art Center Board of Trustees $3,500 for catering and venue costs, New Hampshire's Winnacunnet Cooperative School District $4,400 in event costs, Qwest $24,000 for phone service, various branches of the Iowa-based supermarket chain Hy-Vee $15,000 for food, beverages and catering, and $7,700 to Ohio and Massachusetts branches of the theatrical stage employees' union, for equipment costs.

In fact, about a third of the nearly 700 individual debts Clinton reported at the end of February were for various types of "event expenses," including $319,000 for catering and venue costs, $420,000 for equipment, $11,000 for photography and $9,000 for security.

by politicsmatters 2008-03-30 01:42PM | 0 recs
Re: if support HRC, send her money

Sherry picking from the article again didn't you?

"Their sentiments aren't universal in the event production world, though.

At the end of January, Clinton owed $38,000 to ACS Sound and Lighting of Columbia, S.C. But the company was paid in full last month and is planning to do events for Clinton in other states, according to manager Troy Gwin.

"We don't have any problem with them," he said. "I'd continue to do business after the primaries if she is the nominee. I would love to."

by JoeySky18 2008-03-30 01:54PM | 0 recs
Re: if support HRC, send her money

You can say I'm cherrypicking but the whole point of the article is that Clinton owes a lot of money to vendors, with total debts of $8.7 million.

And, yes, it's good that she pays some folks and I certainly would expect that she would.  But overall she has a lot of debt.

Any supporter of a candidate who actually wanted her to win would have to think about what she can do about that.

by politicsmatters 2008-03-30 03:21PM | 0 recs
Hey Alegre are you a member

AFCB 282

The quality of your posts lead me to believe you are a founder.

by NewHampster 2008-03-30 01:45PM | 0 recs
Re: Sheila Jackson Lee Booed by BO's Followers

52% of Democrats are now a "ragtag band".

You're like an endlessly looping self-parody.

by amiches 2008-03-30 01:46PM | 0 recs
Re: Sheila Jackson Lee Booed by BO's Followers

You really need to seek some kind of help for whatever ails you. Seriously, the level of bitterness is astounding.

by amiches 2008-03-30 02:05PM | 0 recs
Re: Sheila Jackson Lee Booed by BO's Followers

Oh, so you're calling him "Mac" now? You guys buddies or something?

by amiches 2008-03-30 02:48PM | 0 recs
Re: Sheila Jackson Lee Booed by BO's Followers

Alright, well, good luck to you and your buddy Mac. At this point, if you want to stop Obama from being president, it's probably more productive for you to go work for him directly instead of trolling progressive blogs.

by amiches 2008-03-30 03:09PM | 0 recs
Re: Sheila Jackson Lee Booed by BO's Followers

Tell Mac I said hello!

by amiches 2008-03-30 03:41PM | 0 recs
Re: Sheila Jackson Lee Booed by BO's Followers

Since when is vocally expressing your discontent in your own elected official "fascistic"? Coercing John Lewis? He decided to change his vote when faced with the reality that his district voted overwhelmingly for Obama. SJL faces that same reality and it may well blow back on her come her next election.

And save us all from your outrage on pandering. Every politician in the universe blatantly panders at some point. It's part of the whole beauty of representing the interests of your constituency. You think Hillary doesn't, "blatantly pander" to women when she says the, "big boys," are ganging up on the woman trying to push her out of the race?

by TheSilverMonkey 2008-03-30 03:35PM | 0 recs
Re: Sheila Jackson Lee Booed by BO's Followers

I'd make a bet that if Hillary takes this to the convention  neither Nutter or Jackson-Lee will vote for her.  It won't happen.  They support her now while it's relatively safe.  But when the chips are down, they will save their own political a**es.  

This is just part of the process of letting her know that her constituents, who went 90 to 10 for Obama, are watching.  

I'm glad she's loyal, that's a good trait, but she also has to survive politically.  Jackson-Lee's political career can't survive a convention fight.

Maria Cantwell has made the same calculation already.  

Booing is rude, but what did Bill Clinton say about politicians, something about getting beat up is all apart of it...

by Hope08 2008-03-30 01:49PM | 0 recs
Re: Sheila Jackson Lee Booed by BO's Followers

Bill said "let's saddle up and have a conversation. what's wrong with that"

by JoeySky18 2008-03-30 01:51PM | 0 recs
Re: Sheila Jackson Lee Booed by BO's Followers

He also talked about the inevitability of getting "clipped" in politics.  

by amiches 2008-03-30 01:54PM | 0 recs
Re: Sheila Jackson Lee Booed by BO's Followers

"If a politician doesn't wanna get beat up, he shouldn't run for office"

It sounds like he's talking about men and women pols.  or should a male pol get beat up and a female pol be treated daintily?  

BTW he said "let's saddle up and have an argument."

by Hope08 2008-03-30 01:57PM | 0 recs
Re: Sheila Jackson Lee Booed by BO's Followers

thanks for correcting the quote.  yes it's the argument not conversation.   And booing is definitely not an argument.  Hillary got booed many time during the debates, and she or Bill never complained about it.

Bill never asked for female politician to be treated daintily, he wanted to make a point that the race should continue.

by JoeySky18 2008-03-30 02:05PM | 0 recs
Re: Sheila Jackson Lee Booed by BO's Followers

Bill was not saying this, I was just pissed at a comment upthread about how to treat older women.  They booed Mcauliffe and they booed Jackson-Lee.  

I think Jackson-Lee would rather be booed than face these constituents in a room and have an argument.  It would be much worse than letting them blow off steam with booing.  That argument might end in the resolve of one side to take their vote to another pol in the future.  Politicians don't win arguments with 90% of their voters.

by Hope08 2008-03-30 02:13PM | 0 recs
Re: Sheila Jackson Lee Booed by BO's Followers

It does seem odd that they have said that an older woman shouldn't be treated this way. Frankly, women must be prepared to deal with what men do in politics.

by politicsmatters 2008-03-30 05:01PM | 0 recs
Let this be a warning to superdelegates

If they vote against the interests of the majority of their constituents at the convention, those boos will turn into votes against them.  Lee got a taste of that sentiment first hand - a lot of Obama supporters are worried that people like her could take the nomination away from him.

by Sean Robertson 2008-03-30 02:05PM | 0 recs
Re: Let this be a warning to superdelegates

First, off the nomination is not his for anyone to take away.

Lee has fought for her constituents interests for years. It's pretty short sighted to say that her superdelegate vote is more important than everything else she's done for her district.

by LakersFan 2008-03-30 02:33PM | 0 recs
Re: Sheila Jackson Lee Booed by BO's Followers

It's time for more better Democrats!

This district is ripe for a Democratic Primary Challenge!

by Andre X 2008-03-30 02:06PM | 0 recs
Re: Sheila Jackson Lee Booed by BO's Followers

I suppose all of these AA's in her district are holligan's and not nice people like Hillary's upper class white elite women.

Remember the Nevada debate when Clinton supporter's booed both Obama AND eDWARDS in their answers to ill-legal driver license controversy which Clinton had 3 different positions.

Booing goes both way's. Also athletes get booed all of the time.

by BDM 2008-03-30 02:27PM | 0 recs
Re: Sheila Jackson Lee Booed by BO's Followers

Maybe Hillary supporters should boo Kennedy, Richardson and obama's other political supporters where their constituents support Hillary.  

No, Hillary supporters have too much class.

by Athena2 2008-03-30 02:18PM | 0 recs
Yeah. Like calling Richarson Judas.

Classy.

by RLMcCauley 2008-03-30 02:22PM | 0 recs
Re: Sheila Jackson Lee Booed by BO's Followers

no, that would be bad manners. i don't care enough about kennedy and kerry to boo them. after hillary kicked their asses in the MA primary, i kinda feel sorry for them. a bit ;-)

by campskunk 2008-03-30 02:27PM | 0 recs
Bad manners like calling Richardsoh

the betrayer of Jesus.

by RLMcCauley 2008-03-30 02:52PM | 0 recs
Bad manners like calling Richardson

the betrayer of Jesus.

by RLMcCauley 2008-03-30 02:52PM | 0 recs
Re: Bad manners like calling Richardson

Yeah, and there were people on this blog defending that!

by politicsmatters 2008-03-30 03:22PM | 0 recs
Defending and agreeing in fact.

by RLMcCauley 2008-03-30 05:05PM | 0 recs
Re: I'm waiting for the chickens to come home to

I'm waiting for the chickens to come home to roost for Obama and his supporters . . .

by Middleagemom 2008-03-30 02:18PM | 0 recs
What's that mean?

by RLMcCauley 2008-03-30 02:22PM | 0 recs
Is this an example of whining?

by RLMcCauley 2008-03-30 02:21PM | 0 recs
Re: Sheila Jackson Lee Booed by BO's Followers

They shouldn't have booed her.  That's juvenile.  Even though I support Obama, I'd never presume to boo Hillary, Bill, Chelsea, or any of their campaign staff or surrogates, unless they said something very objectionable while I was in attendance.  

And, in agreement with an above comment, the "Judas" remark was very low class.

Things on both sides have gone too far and gotten too heated.

by freedom78 2008-03-30 02:36PM | 0 recs
Re: Sheila Jackson Lee Booed by BO's Followers

I agree 110%.

well said.

by bawbie 2008-03-30 03:13PM | 0 recs
Re: Sheila Jackson Lee Booed by BO's Followers

So, it isn't just on the blogs.  I was hoping the real world supporters would be a lot more adult, and open minded.  Guess not.

by Scotch 2008-03-30 02:58PM | 0 recs
Re: Sheila Jackson Lee Booed by BO's Followers

Keep in mind that the class of people who show up at real world events like those (and boo) are more likely to overlap with the class of people on blogs like these.

by poserM 2008-03-30 03:21PM | 0 recs
Shows just how angry black voters are with

Senator Clinton.

I don't blame them, frankly.

by bobdoleisevil 2008-03-30 03:15PM | 0 recs
Re: Shows just how angry black voters are with

She has a lot of nerve running for President when he's right there, waiting to claim his throne.

Truth be told, all the Dems should have just cleared out of way the second he announced.  

And kissed his feet, of course.

by bellarose 2008-03-30 04:24PM | 0 recs
Re: Sheila Jackson Lee Booed by BO's Followers

Hillary's thugs (lawyers) were trying to disenfranchise votes for Obama at all the conventions.  They made the conventions last longer and made it like torture for all delegates even the Hillary delegates.  Sad, very sad.

by Spanky 2008-03-30 03:23PM | 0 recs
Re: Sheila Jackson Lee Booed by BO's Followers

by Spanky 2008-03-30 03:25PM | 0 recs
Re: Sheila Jackson Lee Booed by BO's Followers

I'm proud of the crowd... this is what patriotism is all about.  Would you rather everyone just sit on their butts, be quiet, and conform?  This is America.  Dissent is patriotic.  

by itsobamastupid 2008-03-30 03:30PM | 0 recs
I have been to a lot of Democratic conventions

and seen a lot on TV. Only two I'm aware of booed. Both by the same campaign.

Isn't that special? It must be all the hope in the air.

by Pacific John 2008-03-30 03:43PM | 0 recs
Re: Sheila Jackson Lee Booed by BO's Followers

How is it patriotic to boo a woman who has devoted many years of service to this country, simply because you disagree with something she stands for?  Perhaps Barack Obama's supporters should actually listen to their candidates speeches on changing the public discourse and unity?  They must think they are at a sporting event, WWE maybe?  Or perhaps a baseball game - let the tobacco spitting and crotch grabbing begin!

by AnnC 2008-03-31 05:52AM | 0 recs
So hypocritical

"Please, please stop bashing Hillary and being mean to her supporters."

What a bunch of b.s. your self-gratifying "strike" was.

At least now it's clear - pro-Clinton bloggers, like Alegre here, just wanted a free pass to be nasty and viscious and expect Obama supporters to just sit back and take it.

My advice to you is to take a hefty dose of your own fucking advice.

by jaywillie 2008-03-30 03:37PM | 0 recs
Re: So hypocritical

I've just gotten bad ratings for mentioning HRC's fundraising situation, in response to a diary that asked people to send her money.  None of it was untrue, none of it was mean, and it certainly wasn't off topic because the diary was in part a pitch for funds.

by politicsmatters 2008-03-30 03:52PM | 0 recs
Any CBC member or other Black elected that

didn't support Obama is toast.  Lee should expect a primary challenge next time from the black community, as should Nutty ... er ... Nutter.

by bigdcdem 2008-03-30 03:47PM | 0 recs
Re: Any CBC member or other Black elected that

Know that you are entitled to wish.

Eugene Miller, who is supporting Hillary, continued to support her even though his position was on the line. Guess what? He won!

by HillaryKnight08 2008-03-30 07:09PM | 0 recs
Knee-jerk defending

I don't know if I'm imagining this or not, but some of the most respectful of the Clinton supporters and of the Obama supporters seem to be frequenting this site less.  I miss the back and forth without cursing, namecalling, and knee-jerk defense of one's candidate.  

I think it is up to the partisans of each to be the most critical when supporters step over the line rather than the least.  We need to "police" our own, so to speak and not just engage in yours-does-it-too-ishness when something is said or done that really should not be defended.

by mady 2008-03-30 03:56PM | 0 recs
Re: Knee-jerk defending

There's some truth to what you say, and evidence that the Internet is not particularly relevant to the outcome of this campaign. MyDD is the most civil blog that has a degree of back and forth between both campaigns, but most blogs are closer to FreeRepublic than anything Dem should be proud of.

And it's not just a little ironic that our little exchange on civility is in a thread that documents some of the rudest Dem convention behavior in our adult lives.

by Pacific John 2008-03-30 04:03PM | 0 recs
Re: Knee-jerk defending

Well, not in my lifetime.  You missed '68? Anyway, my point was that we should be especially sensitive to the bad behavior of our own.

by mady 2008-03-30 04:12PM | 0 recs
Re: Knee-jerk defending

Heh :)

Yeah, my "adult life" missed '68 by a few years.

by Pacific John 2008-03-30 04:25PM | 0 recs
The level of animosity exhibited...

by Obama's supporters to any who don't yearn to touch the hem of His garment is astounding.

Iraq is headed for a complete collapse and all you see on Kos' site is "all Obama all the time". It feels more like a cult over there with each passing day.

Now Sheila Jackson Lee, one of the last Democrats with both class and backbone, gets booed by her constituents. This says much more about her constituents, and BO supporters in general, than it says about her.

by Ed J 2008-03-30 04:11PM | 0 recs
Re: The level of animosity exhibited...

Indeed.

by bellarose 2008-03-30 04:28PM | 0 recs
Re: The level of animosity exhibited...

The odds are 100% that we will look back on this and say Jackson Lee was right. There is no chance, zero, that Obama's "The One" act will survive reality, either inside or outside the Oval Office.

Sheila, on the other hand, is a true American hero.

Which just made me realize:

What if you put Jackson Lee's resume side by side in a blind comparison with Obama's. Which one would we expect to become president? Same with Maxine Waters. Both Sheila and Maxine are giants.

by Pacific John 2008-03-30 04:31PM | 0 recs
Re: The level of animosity exhibited...

Well...it's been well over a hundred years since someone who was a House member and was then in the House was elected president.

by politicsmatters 2008-03-30 04:33PM | 0 recs
Re:

Sheila Jackson is certainly better qualified than Barack Obama.

by moevaughn 2008-03-30 04:55PM | 0 recs
Re: Lamont All Over Again

People who have this belief in someone who comes riding in on a white horse to save the world are bitterly intolerant of non-believers.  That's why Lamont true believers were so nasty towards Lieberman supporters - and were even nastier after the primary.

Now any sane person would have realized that Lamont needed to get a large chunk of Lieberman Dems to have any chance of winning.  So screaming, "Sore Loserman" didn't win the Lamontacrats any love.

It seems that the Obamaramans are doing exactly the same this go round.  Booing Sheila Jackson Lee shows how juvenile and discourteous they are.  And how they will alienate enough people if Obama gets the nomination to produce a hefty loss for the Dems come November.

by johnnygunn 2008-03-30 04:28PM | 0 recs
And the pure racism and

ignorance from HRC high-profile would ensure her defeat in the fall so we're screwed either way I guess. Especially since HRC is in until August, hoping for a floor fight, so we'll have no time to attempt to heal the party and take on McSame whether she wins or loses that fight. Smart.

by RLMcCauley 2008-03-30 05:13PM | 0 recs
Re: And the pure racism and

Don't you get a little tired of slinging the "pure racism" crapola?
For a person who has worked for racial justice her whole life,
it is particularly vulgar to have these nasty epithets thrown at her.

"Pure racism" my ass.

by johnnygunn 2008-03-30 06:16PM | 0 recs
Comedy. Is fighting

retroactive application of the USSC guidelines because of the "type" of people who might get let out (you know, the ones put in using racist laws) "fighting for racial justice"?

by RLMcCauley 2008-03-30 06:37PM | 0 recs
Re: True Colors
You've already shown your true colors -
By resorting to vulgar attacks.
by johnnygunn 2008-03-30 07:04PM | 0 recs
Re: Lamont All Over Again

I, for one, won't argue with the comparisons between Clinton and Lieberman.

by Rumproast 2008-03-30 09:33PM | 0 recs
Re: Sheila Jackson Lee Booed by BO's Followers

As an Obama supporter, I think that everyone should be civil at all times.  However, using bad behavior by one particular group of people, at one particular time, to draw an inference about the vast number of supporters is inaccurate and unfair.  Just as we will need you for the election, so too will you need us.

by rfahey22 2008-03-30 04:34PM | 0 recs
Re: Sheila Jackson Lee Booed by BO's Followers

Family feuds are always the nastiest.  But don't attribute attitudes to all supporters because of the actions of some.  And please keep in mind that there are hurt feelings on both sides (and also among those who strongly supported Edwards).

by politicsmatters 2008-03-30 04:35PM | 0 recs
Re: Sheila Jackson

I saw Sheila Jackson on tv tonight and she made a point that the voters of Florida and Michigan did not break any rules; to the contrary, they did exactly what they had to do in order to cast their votes.  She expressed her own anger at Howard Dean and the DNC for throwing out the Dem Party's own voters.  She was really good.

by moevaughn 2008-03-30 04:48PM | 0 recs
Re: Sheila Jackson

Given the tendency of all politicians, I'm certain that the candidates and their surrogates would be making the opposite arguments if those benefited them.

by politicsmatters 2008-03-30 05:22PM | 0 recs
Arrogance

not Jeremiah Wright (although the issues are related) will prevent Obama from becoming President.  It's his defining characteristic, it's reflected in the behavior of his supporters, and it's quickly becoming a problem for many Democrats.  The general public is next.

by Upstate Dem 2008-03-30 04:52PM | 0 recs
Re: Arrogance

"quickly becoming a problem for many Democrats"

I am certain that some people are upset at Obama, but in fact he is doing very well in the polls lately.

by politicsmatters 2008-03-30 05:15PM | 0 recs
Tim is Wiser than most of you.

Whites are easily shocked by what we see and hear from Pastor Wright and Trinity Church, because what we see and hear so thoroughly challenges our understanding of who we are as a nation. But black people have never, for the most part, believed in the imagery of the "shining city on a hill," for they have never had the option of looking at their nation and ignoring the mountain-sized warts still dotting its face when it comes to race. - Tim Wise

by RLMcCauley 2008-03-30 05:10PM | 0 recs
Re: Sheila Jackson Lee Booed by BO's Followers
100 for Hillary!
Thanks spot on!
by grego101 2008-03-30 05:15PM | 0 recs
Re: Sheila Jackson Lee

Whats bothers me she wasn't talking about the presidential race.

by rossinatl 2008-03-30 05:50PM | 0 recs
They were under direct orders from Obama.

At least that's what I heard.

by Bob Johnson 2008-03-30 06:53PM | 0 recs
Re: Sheila Jackson Lee Booed by BO's Followers

I assume the super delegates are being kept up to date on these thuggish, and often threatening behaviors among Obama supporters.  It's only the beginning of what can only get worse.  My experience with elections goes back a long way and we have never had a candidate who has caused such divisiveness. Obama could put a stop to this if he wanted to.  That he doesn't stop it gives you an ominous idea of what he will encourage if he's elected.  

In TIME magazine's March 31 issue, page 29, a man who knew Obama in Hawaii is quoted as saying about him: "He made everything out like it was racial."

by miriam 2008-03-30 08:01PM | 0 recs
Re: Sheila Jackson Lee Booed by BO's Followers

Last I checked, the superdelegates were making a beeline to Obama.  The score since February 5th is Hillary Clinton has lost 5, Obama has gained about 60.

And speaking of divisiveness and thuggish behavoior, it's Hillary Clinton's supporters who are threatening to vote for John McCain.  Don't take my word for it - there are Clinton supporters on this site who BRAG about it.  Only about a fifth of Obama supporters are threatening the same thing.  So which candidate is divisive?

by Mostly 2008-03-30 08:14PM | 0 recs
Alegre get over yourself

   you act as if Clinton surrogates have never booed an Obama supporter. Knock off the attitude. it's childish
by southernman 2008-03-30 08:09PM | 0 recs
Re: Sheila Jackson Lee Booed by BO's Followers

Not only that, but I heard James Carville called her "Judas".

Just relax.  This is all going to seem incredibly silly when we have a nominee and John McCain is talking about a 100 years war.

by Mostly 2008-03-30 08:10PM | 0 recs
It might seem silly to you

but it shows a great amount of disrepect.  Obama supporters seem to be taking Hillary ones for granted, throwing the fear of McCain at us and assuming we will vote against him.  Had intended to vote for whomever the democratic nominee but the constant insults and frequent untruths about Hillary and her supporters are really a turn-off.  Obviously Obama with the help of the media has made a great candidate but don't think he'll be a good president.  He's always talking about building bridges, well how about his supporters building some to the Hillary ones.  Don't see much evidence just that you better vote for him or you'll get McCain.  If I have to will probably still vote for him but know several people who just won't vote for president.  

by laternighter 2008-03-30 08:25PM | 0 recs
Feeling alienated

Generation Obama really seems to be more about Hate than Hope.  I'm finding it increasingly difficult to see myself supporting this in a general election.  At times it borders on fanatical: to hell with reason, and destroy any who cannot see The Light.

by bobbank 2008-03-30 08:46PM | 0 recs
Re: Feeling alienated

I hear that you are feeling alienated. However, as an Obama supporter, I have encountered lots of unreason myself.  I see no need to give the litany. My point is that passions are aroused on both sides and some people act badly. That shouldn't spill over to undermine our common efforts to get a Democrat in the WH.

by politicsmatters 2008-03-31 05:14AM | 0 recs
Re: Sheila Jackson Lee Booed by BO's Followers

Cash-strapped Clinton fails to pay bills
By: Kenneth P. Vogel
March 30, 2008 09:57 PM EST

Hillary Rodham Clinton's cash-strapped presidential campaign has been putting off paying hundreds of bills for months -- freeing up cash for critical media buys but also earning the campaign a reputation as something of a deadbeat in some small-business circles.

A pair of Ohio companies owed more than $25,000 by Clinton for staging events for her campaign are warning others in the tight-knit event production community -- and anyone else who will listen -- to get their cash upfront when doing business with her. Her campaign, say representatives of the two companies, has stopped returning phone calls and e-mails seeking payment of outstanding invoices. One even got no response from a certified letter.

Their cautionary tales, combined with published reports about similar difficulties faced by a New Hampshire landlord, an Iowa office cleaner and a New York caterer, highlight a less-obvious impact of Clinton's inability to keep up with the staggering fundraising pace set by her opponent for the Democratic presidential nomination, Illinois Sen. Barack Obama.

Clinton's campaign did not respond to recent, specific questions about its transactions with vendors. But Clinton spokesman Jay Carson pointed on Saturday to an earlier statement the campaign issued to Politico, asserting: "The campaign pays its bills regularly and in the normal course of business, and pays all of its bills."

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/030 8/9259.html

by Jeff Y 2008-03-30 10:27PM | 0 recs
So weird to see the Hope voters show

their true colors in those videos and shout down and boo Sheila Jackson Lee. When you couple this video with all the boo-ing of Hillary Clinton in NH and her being heckled at the St. Paddy's Day parade in Penn and the heckling of Chelsea it is very telling. For being a demographic that is so well educated and financially well off they sure act like gutter trash.  

by LatinoVoter 2008-03-31 12:09AM | 0 recs
Re: Sheila Jackson Lee Booed by BO's Followers

In a district that is 90% AA, and supported Obama at 90%, Jackson-Lee sided with Hillary... and her constituents let her here it.  This is simply a case of Obama's 'hopers' these are folks at Texas Southern thrilled to have the first real shot at an AA winning the White House, and shocked that Jackson-Lee unlike every other elected official in that district supported Hillary.

by CardBoard 2008-03-31 04:20AM | 0 recs
Re: Sheila Jackson Lee Booed by BO's Followers

I've been to just about 50% of the Churches in this district, and a lot of them are Wright-esque.  We have seen Clinton's fav's fall to 50 (perhaps below 50) amongst AA's...and her wading into Wright on Monday has been lambasted on Black Radio all week.  I imagine, while I have not been down their recently, a lot of these folks feel attacked by the media and Hillary and are excited about Obama.

by CardBoard 2008-03-31 04:23AM | 0 recs
Dislike for Hillary rubbing off

It seems that Hillary's tanking poll numbers on her Like-ablity are wearing off on her supporters.

When you attempt to impede the caucus process in TX and stretch what should have been a 4 hour process into a 12-18 hour process, you can expect to be Booed off the stage. SJL had to take the brunt of Texan's angry over her attempted disenfranchisement of the process.

by Chimpeach 2008-03-31 10:38AM | 0 recs

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