Hillary Wins West Virginia - BIG!

Well she did it gang.  She took the Mountain State by storm and won by even bigger margins than expected - 66-26% (40% gap!), and its thanks in large part to her volunteers on the ground.

Some good friends of mine from the phone bank were able to attend that event with Hillary last week and as a result - they stepped up their volunteering efforts by traveling to Charlestown over the past 2 days.  I just got a note from one of them and it sounds like they had a blast!

Thought you would enjoy our grass roots operation in West Virginia today.  Someone complained to the election judge that we were less than 300 feet from the polling place.  We were where he told us to stand and had been there for about four hours.  They measured the space and found we needed to move another 15 or 20 feet so we ended up in the middle of a field.  Anyway we had a ball.  We were on a busy road and the positive honks and thumbs up and victory signs were awesome.  Wish you could have been with us.  We forgot about sunscreen so we are both sunburn after so many hours out there.  It was worth it.

Here they are in that field...

The campaign press office just fired off the text of her speech - for anyone who watched this on CNN or MSNBC, you'll have seen a woman who's fired up.  I've bolded some of the bits that had hubby & me cheering as we watched it on the laptop.  Check it out...

Hillary Clinton Delivers Remarks at Charleston , WV Celebration Event

Thank you, West Virginia .

You know, like the song says: "it's almost heaven," and I am so grateful for this overwhelming vote of confidence.

There are some who have wanted to cut this race short. They say "give up, it's too hard, the mountain is too high," but here in West Virginia , you know a thing or two about rough roads to the top of the mountain. We know from the Bible that faith can move mountains and, my friends, the faith of the Mountain State has moved me. I am more determined than ever to carry on this campaign until everyone has had a chance to make their voices heard.

I want to commend Senator Obama and his supporters. This continues to be a hard-fought race, from one end of our country to the other. And yes, we've had a few dust-ups along the way, but our commitment to bring America new leadership that will renew America's promise means that we have always stood together on what is most important.

Now, tonight I need your help to continue this journey. We are in the homestretch. There are only three weeks left in the final contests, and your support can make the difference between winning and losing. So I hope you'll go to HillaryClinton.com and support our campaign.

You've heard this before - there are many who wanted to declare a nominee before the ballots were counted or even cast. Some said our campaign was over after Iowa, but then we won New Hampshire. Then we had big victories on Super Tuesday and in Ohio and Texas and Pennsylvania, and of course, we came from behind to win in Indiana.

So, this race isn't over yet. Neither of us has the total delegates it takes to win and both Senator Obama and I believe that the delegates from Florida and Michigan should be seated. I believe we should honor the votes cast by 2.3 million people in those states and seat all of their delegates. Under the rules of our party, when you include all 50 states, the number of delegates needed to win is 2,209, and neither of us has reached that threshold yet. This win in West Virginia will help me move even closer.

Now, in a campaign, it can be easy to get lost in the political spin and the polls or the punditry, but we must never lose sight of what really counts, of why all of us care so much about who wins and who loses in our political system. An enormous decision falls on the shoulders of Democratic voters in these final contests and those Democrats empowered to vote at our convention. And tonight, in light of our overwhelming victory here in West Virginia, I want to send a message to everyone still making up their mind.

I am in this race because I believe I am the strongest candidate - the strongest candidate to lead our party in November of 2008 and the strongest president to lead our nation starting in January of 2009. I can win this nomination if you decide I should, and I can lead this party to victory in the general election if you lead me to victory now.

The choice falls to all of you, and I don't envy you. I deeply admire Senator Obama, but I believe our case, a case West Virginia has helped to make, our case is stronger. Together, we have won millions and millions of votes - by the time tonight is over, probably 17 million, close to it. We've won them in states that we must be prepared and ready to win in November -  Pennsylvania and Ohio, Arkansas and New Hampshire, New Jersey, New Mexico, Nevada, Michigan, Florida, and now West Virginia. It is a fact that no Democrat has won the White House since 1916 without winning West Virginia.

The bottom line is this - the White House is won in the swing states and I am winning the swing states. And we have done it by standing up for the deepest principles of our party with a vision for an America that rewards hard work again, that values the middle class and helps to make it stronger.

With your help, I am ready to go head-to-head with John McCain to put our vision for America up against the one he shares with President Bush. Now, I believe our party is strong enough for this challenge. I am strong enough for it. You know I never give up. I'll keep coming back, and I'll stand with you as long as you stand with me.

Together, we will draw the stark distinctions that will determine the future direction of our nation, the difference between ending the war in Iraq responsibly or continuing it indefinitely, between health care for everyone and more uninsured Americans, between standing up for the middle-class families that you represent or standing up for the corporate special interests.

So, I ask you, Democrats, to choose who you believe will make the strongest candidate in the fall and who is ready to execute the office of the presidency of the United States.

People ask me all the time, why am I in this race. Well, I'm in it because of the people that I have worked for my entire life and the people I meet along the campaign trail, people who need someone who fights for them because they're fighting so hard every single day, the people who drive for miles to show their support, who come with the home-made sign, who raise money by skipping those dinners out, who have stood fast and stood strong. I'm in this race for the millions of Americans who know that we can do better in our country, for the nurse on her second shift, for the worker on the line, for the waitress on her feet, for the small business owner, the farmer, the teacher, the coal miner, the trucker, the soldier, the veteran, the college student.

All of the hardworking men and women who defy the odds to build a better life for themselves and their children. You will never be counted out, and I won't either. You will never quit, and I won't, either.

The question is, why do so many people keep voting? Why did 64% of Democrats say in a recent poll they wanted this race to continue? Because in the face of the pundits and the naysayers, they know what is at stake. They know that we have two wars, an economy in crisis on the brink of a recession, $9 trillion of debt, oil prices shooting through the roof, gas prices and grocery prices hurting people who desperately are looking for a way to just keep going day to day. They know they need a champion. They need someone who's going to never stop fighting for health care that covers everyone, no exceptions, for an economy that lifts everyone up, for good jobs that won't be shipped overseas, for college affordability, for all that you can do to own a home and then to keep it.

This election is fundamentally about whether or not the American dream remains alive and well, for our children and our grandchildren. This is the core of my life and my political beliefs: that we owe so much to future generations, that we do not want to see that dream recede, that we know people have to work hard, and we expect you to do just that and to take responsibility, but at the very least, you should have a President who is on your side again.

And I believe that this campaign has been good for the Democratic Party and good for our country. People are discussing and debating issues. They are turning out in record numbers to register and to vote. There is an excitement about politics that is the lifeblood of our democracy.

For me, this election isn't about who's in or who's out or who's up or who's down. It's about the common threads that tie us together - rich and poor, young and old, black and white, Latino and Asian, Democrats, Republicans, and Independents. We are united by common values. We all want a better world for our children, and we want the best for our country. And we are committed to putting a Democrat back in the White House.

And our nominee - our nominee will be stronger for having campaigned long and hard, building enthusiasm and excitement, hearing your stories and answering your questions. And I will work my heart out for the nominee of the Democratic Party to make sure we have a Democratic President.

As we look at the stakes in this election, I think we can all agree it's been unprecedented. We haven't had an election like it for as long as anyone can remember. It is still so close and it really does depend upon those who will vote in these next contests and those who have the awesome responsibility as delegates of our great Democratic Party.

I'm asking that people think hard about where we are in this election, about how we will win in November, because this is not an abstract exercise. This is for a solemn, crucial purpose: to elect a president to turn our country around, to meet the challenges we face and seize the opportunities. It has been a long campaign, but it is just an instant in time when compared with the lasting consequences of the choice we will make in November. That is why I am carrying on, and if you give me a chance, Democrats, I'll come back to West Virginia in the general election and we'll win this state and we'll win the White House.

I am honored and grateful for the support and hospitality of the people of West Virginia . I spent a few minutes with your wonderful national treasure, Senator Byrd, this morning and we talked about his beloved West Virginia . I told him where I'd gone and what I'd seen. I talked about the people I had met. And he just broke into the biggest smile. I don't know that any man has ever loved a state more than Robert C. Byrd loves West Virginia .

I am grateful for the graciousness of Governor and Mrs. Manchin. Governor Manchin is winning a great victory himself tonight, and I want to thank Joe and Gayle for welcoming me to Governor Manchin's hometown as we went to Fairmont for a great election last night. I want to thank Senate Majority Leader Truman Chafin, former Governor Hulett Smith, Brigadier General Jack Yeager, all of the West Virginia veterans who honored me by their support and I honor their service.

Thanks to my friends in the labor unions who stood with us every step of the way, we wouldn't be here without you. And a special thanks to my outstanding staff, volunteers and supporters here in West Virginia and across America.

At least once, usually a half a dozen times a day, Bill and Chelsea and I check in with each other and I wish every West Virginian could have heard our calls as we compared our experiences here in this state. We've had the best time.

And I will be back. As we move on now to the next contests, in Kentucky and Oregon, in Puerto Rico, in Montana and South Dakota , tonight I'm thinking about Florence Steen from South Dakota , eighty-eight years old and in failing health when she asked that her daughter bring an absentee ballot to her hospice bedside. Florence was born before women had the right to vote, and she was determined to exercise that right, to cast a ballot for her candidate who just happened to be a woman running for president. Florence passed on a few days ago, but I am eternally grateful to her and her family for making this such an important and incredible milestone in her life that means so much to me. I'm also thinking of Dalton Hatfield, an 11-year-old boy from Kentucky, who sold his bike and sold his video games to raise money to support my campaign.

This is a great and good nation because of people like Florence Steen, Dalton Hatfield, and their families. Her memory and his future are worth fighting for. As long as we remember that there is no challenge we cannot meet, no barrier we cannot break, no dream we cannot realize. So, let's finish the job we started. America is worth fighting for.

Thank you and God bless you and God bless America . Thank you all so very much.


(Emphasis added)

Ok ok, so I put a lot of that speech in bold - I was cheering wildly through most of her speech.  Here's a clip of the last bit of her speech - I just loved that reference to Ms. Steen's memory, and young Dalton's future.  Check it out...

They deserve the best we can give them guys.  She wanted Hillary to be our next president and even though she's no long with us, I'm going to continue doing all I can to help her get her wish.  Same goes for Young Dalton and my kids - this is about their future and I won't quit until Hillary's in the Oval Office.

And neither will Hillary.

Now as Hillary noted in her speech, there's only 3 weeks left to the primary season guys and she's we're in the homestretch.  I've said it before and I'll say it again - she can't run this race without our support.  She needs us on the phones.  She needs us on the ground knocking on doors and at visibility events.  She needs us to talk her up with our friends and family - heck the clerk at the checkout in our local grocery store.

And just as (if not more) importantly, she needs us to send her whatever love we can - right now.  This can't happen on a wing and a prayer guys - so donate now if you can squeeze out another $50 (or $5 for that matter).

You know what to do gang!

        

U P D A T E

Jerome posted the following update on the front page - looks like Hillar's opened up her lead gang!

Clinton is now up 41% over Obama and has exceeded a net of 120,000 votes. Pretty incredible margin.

HELP HILLARY FIGHT ON - CONTRIBUTE NOW!

Tags: 2008 elections, Hillary Clinton, president, West Virginia (all tags)

Comments

211 Comments

Re: Hillary Wins West Virginia - BIG!

She's on her way to 2209 - yeah!

by alegre 2008-05-13 07:46PM | 0 recs
Re: Hillary Wins West Virginia - BIG!

Oh yeah - see my sig line!

by alegre 2008-05-13 07:48PM | 0 recs
Re: Hillary Wins West Virginia - BIG!

Even more amazing tonight:

Clinton dominates almost every voter group in exit poll results.

--Mark Halperin

by KnowVox 2008-05-13 07:54PM | 0 recs
AND every county!

by CoyoteCreek 2008-05-13 07:56PM | 0 recs
Re: AND every county!

Yeah, baby!

by KnowVox 2008-05-13 08:01PM | 0 recs
Re: AND every county!

WOOT!

by alegre 2008-05-13 08:03PM | 0 recs
Re: AND every county!

Congratulations, this is I think her first really big win this race, isn't it?

Would she have been able to carry West Virginia in the General Election?

by Trey Rentz 2008-05-14 05:28AM | 0 recs
Re: AND every county!

No, it's not.

And yes, she will!

by bellarose 2008-05-14 05:54AM | 0 recs
Re: AND every county!

She had a big win in Arkansas too.

by fugazi 2008-05-14 07:14AM | 0 recs
Re: AND every county!

And Oklahoma and Tennessee.

by niksder 2008-05-14 07:49AM | 0 recs
Re: AND every county!

Did you see Jerome's latest update?

41% lead baby!

by alegre 2008-05-13 08:02PM | 0 recs
Re: AND every county!

Now that's what ya call "connecting to voters... BIG TIME!!"

by KnowVox 2008-05-13 08:34PM | 0 recs
Re: Hillary Wins West Virginia - BIG!

from ABC news..popular vote as of right now!

Clinton 16,675,133
Obama 16,642,575

by gunner 2008-05-13 08:39PM | 0 recs
Re: Hillary Wins West Virginia - BIG!

With Florida and Michigan, right?

by niksder 2008-05-14 07:49AM | 0 recs
Obama won 10 contests by 65% or more

Clinton won two.

But I don't remember anyone saying Obama's wins were game-changers.

by Hudson 2008-05-14 05:03PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama won 10 contests by 65% or more

When you're leading and you win, it's NOT a game changer.

by Liberal Monk 2008-05-14 05:20PM | 0 recs
McAuliffe disagrees

Two days ago on MTP, he conceded the Michigan and Florida's delegations will reduced by 50%.  And he's Hillary's campaign chairman.

by Al Rodgers 2008-05-13 07:58PM | 0 recs
AHEM

That was 2 days ago.

DOH!

by alegre 2008-05-13 08:03PM | 0 recs
Re: AHEM

And two days hence, Clinton will be 175 delegates behind Obama, not counting the superdelegates he adds Wednesday and Thursday.

What would the results in WV have to do with how MI and FL are reconciled, anyway?

by deminva 2008-05-13 08:20PM | 0 recs
Re: AHEM

Just a quick reminder... no delegate's set in stone until they cast their vote at the convention.

by alegre 2008-05-13 08:24PM | 0 recs
Re: AHEM

Just a quick reminder, this will not go to the convention unless Hillary wants to end her career on a very low note.

by shalca 2008-05-13 08:32PM | 0 recs
Re: AHEM

Alegre is correct and winners don't quit. See you at the convention.

by grlpatriot 2008-05-13 08:36PM | 0 recs
Re: AHEM

I really think you'll be disappointed.  There will be tremendous pressure for a clear winner to be declared before the end of June.

by shalca 2008-05-13 08:41PM | 0 recs
Re: AHEM

Your winning battles but you already lost the war.
How do you justify continuing the suffering?

Wishing and continuing on a course does not make you a winner, it makes you a waster, have we not learned this lesson from Iraq?

by Tumult 2008-05-13 08:53PM | 0 recs
Re: AHEM

Clinton isn't winning.  She hasn't been winning for a long time.

She won a battle (and kudos to her for it), but she has already lost the war.  There is no mathematical way she can reach the requisite number of delegates with so few states left.

I just don't understand why ya'll can get so excited at the possibility of a Clinton nomination when it's clearly not going to happen.

What are you going to do when it DOESN'T happen?  People have been trying to tell you guys this (not out of meanness or cruelty, but out of sheer desire for you to join us in reality)

What are you going to do when it finally dawns on you?

by DawnG 2008-05-13 09:39PM | 0 recs
Re: AHEM

What are you going to do when it finally dawns on you?

You mean IF she loses the nom?   I'll get ready for 2012 and hope the Dems in Congress can stop President McCain from doing too much damage in the meantime.

What are you going to do when Obama loses?  Because he's either going to lose now or in the General.
Why aren't you Obama people accepting reality like the rest of us and agreeing that we should run with the strongest candidate?  

by bellarose 2008-05-14 06:02AM | 0 recs
Re: AHEM

He's not going to lose now, and based on the past two major national polls to come out (ABC/Post and Quinnipiac) he's further ahead of McSame that Clinton-and that's in light of the fact that he's been fighting two candidates at once. He'll be up by 10+ points within six weeks and will roll over Bush's heir apparent in November.

Hope to have you come around and join the Democrats fight for the White House when you've gotten past your angry cynicism.

by bookish 2008-05-14 06:28AM | 0 recs
Re: AHEM

You people really do run on hope, don't you.

Get out of your bubble and see the truth-- Obama's lost half the Democratic base already.  He's done.

by bellarose 2008-05-14 08:37AM | 0 recs
Said the girl in the bubble. n/t

by bookish 2008-05-14 09:31AM | 0 recs
Re: AHEM

TODAY...

"I'm going to work my heart out for whoever our nominee is -- obviously I'm still hoping to be that nominee, but I'm going to do everything I can to make sure that anyone who supported me ... understands what a grave error it would be not to vote for Sen. Obama." -- HRC

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/05/14/c linton/index.html

by RockvilleLiberal2 2008-05-14 12:38PM | 0 recs
Re: AHEM

Oh, and you don't???  Clinton is behind in just about every single metric she's ever touted as "important" and you still think she is going to WIN.  

methinks thou doth project too much.

By your logic, Clinton has already "lost half the democratic base" but you think she's going to WIN???

Get out of YOUR bubble and join us in reality.

by DawnG 2008-05-14 03:42PM | 0 recs
Re: AHEM

So there IS a quitter in you somewhere?

by niksder 2008-05-14 07:53AM | 0 recs
Re: AHEM

So you're going to RESIGN yourself to President McCain as if you have nothing to do with making that determination.

And if there is no President McCain?  What will you do THEN?

by DawnG 2008-05-14 03:40PM | 0 recs
Re: AHEM

"no mathematical way" Obama can win the presidency without winning working class white, upper class women,  and latino voters. You can use actual math to verify that ;->

I think the issues of race could go either way. Many more black voters coming out to vote. Some racist white voters who would otherwise go Dem.

But Obama has the famous McGovern coalition. He can't win in November without older voters, white & latino women, low information voters, and working class voters. You know what we call these people? "Reagan Democrats" If Obama is nominated we will start calling them "McCain Democrats".

All the contempt in the world will not make these voters go Obama. You can call them names until you fall from exhaustion. It won't help.

Here is some math:
So with  half the FL & MI delegates seated that means

4230(.5) delegates
2115 (.25) to win
1883 for Obama
1793 (.5) for Hillary
2115 (.5) is required to win.

I am keeping the .5 in there because it is possible that every delegate will be given .5 vote instead of allowing half the delegates to vote.

with a difference of 89(.5) and 392 uncommitted supers, meaning

OB has to win 60% to make it to 2115
HRC has to win 82% to make it 2115

We all have the numbers without the delegations, not going to happen.

SO let's look at the other not going to happen. Let's compare this will fully seating the delegations. Then the difference is their delegate count is about 30.

OB has to win 61.5% to make it to 2208
HRC has to win 55.7% to make it 2208

by redwagon 2008-05-14 01:11PM | 0 recs
Re: AHEM

Just because certain demographis have thus far voted for Clinton in the PRIMARY, doesn't mean they will abandon the democratic nominee just because it's NOT Clinton.  It's ridiculous to argue that becuase Obama hasn't won those demographics in the PRIMARY, the he couldn't win them for the GENERAL.

I mean, I understand where you guys are coming from.  Honestly I do.  I was a big Dean supporter in '04 and it broke my heart to see him lose.  And Kerry, well, he wasn't my second choice, he wasn't even my third choice.  He was tied for 4th choice with Ghephart.  But I would sooner bite off my own EAR than vote for George W Bush so when the time came, I was actually happy to vote for Kerry.

So I understand how hopeful Clinton supporters are, but that's no excuse for some of the behavior I've seen.  It's disgraceful and intellectually dishonest.

by DawnG 2008-05-14 03:46PM | 0 recs
Re: AHEM

That is a straight linear calculation with simple percentages. There is nothing dishonest about dividing by 2 and subtracting.

What a strange objection. Math does not have a known bias.

by redwagon 2008-05-15 08:32AM | 0 recs
Re: AHEM

I'm not sure I understand why all the Clinton supporters here want her to lose at the convention and not before.  A loss is a loss and she doesn't have the delegates no matter when they are counted.

by Gene In PA 2008-05-14 03:21AM | 0 recs
It won't go to the convention

At the average of 4 SDs a day, plus wins for Obama in OR, MT, and SD, he will surpass the needed delegates to claim the nomination. Even if they seat MI and FL at 50% giving him a share of the MI delegates (which is the probable outcome), he'll pass the adjusted delegate threshold by June 3.

There will be no convention battle, because the party elders know what it would do to the party.

I applaud Clinton and her supporters for a hard fought battle, but the reality of the situation is clear.

by bookish 2008-05-14 03:31AM | 0 recs
He already has 2.5 this morning

and the endorsement of a MI SD that won't count until the DNC makes their decision. Drip, drip,....

by bookish 2008-05-14 04:27AM | 0 recs
Re: AHEM

Just a quick reminder about the purpose of the convention -- to choose the best nominee, which is Hillary Clinton.

by KnowVox 2008-05-13 08:37PM | 0 recs
Re: AHEM

well if you are the best qualified to decide the nominee, why are we even having an election?

Obviously many people disagree with you and it's rather undemocratic of you to assume that you are the only one who's right and anyone who doesn't agree is wrong.

by DawnG 2008-05-13 09:40PM | 0 recs
Electing a Candidate

Fortunately, more people agree with Clinton supporters:

From ABC news..popular vote as of right now:

Clinton 16,675,133
Obama 16,642,575

by KnowVox 2008-05-14 06:59AM | 0 recs
Of course

You're using Jerome's favorite tactic of including the unsanctioned MI and FL contests and ignoring (disenfranchising, anyone?) the voters in four caucus states. Until the MI/FL question is settled, Obama leads by over 700,000 votes.

by bookish 2008-05-14 07:44AM | 0 recs
Only because they're

citizens of the United States who actually happen to have cast a ballot in an election their state legislature sanctioned.  I guess that's just beyond the kiln.

by Beltway Dem 2008-05-14 08:10AM | 0 recs
DNC makes the rule guiding the nomination process

not the state legislatures.

I have a feeling that MI/FL will get their 50%. No more, no less. The best you could hope for in terms of actual vote would be to have FL's count. No way that MI's counts toward the total with Obama following the pledge and removing his name from the ballot.

by bookish 2008-05-14 08:34AM | 0 recs
This may be painful to see

so you may wish to avert your eyes, KnowVox.

Photobucket

by bookish 2008-05-14 07:47AM | 0 recs
Re: This may be painful to see

"If you are a voter from Florida or Michigan, you know that we should count your vote. The nearly 2.5 million Americans in those two states who participated in the primary elections are in danger of being excluded from our democratic process, and I think that's wrong." --Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton

by KnowVox 2008-05-14 08:26AM | 0 recs
Fortunately

Hillary Clinton doesn't make the rules (at least in the real world).

by bookish 2008-05-14 08:31AM | 0 recs
funny how the popular vote...

...was only important when Clinton SAID it was important.  I remember when it USED to be the number of delegates and superdelegates that was important.

And does that "popular vote" also include caucuses? (which many states have used?) because if not you're essentially writing off over a dozen states because it doesn't fit neatly into your metrics.

For people who are so adamant on screaming that MI and FL should count, why aren't you counting caucus states?

Oh wait, that's right.  If Clinton didn't win them then they don't matter.

The only thing that matters is what CLINTON says matters.  And that's the saddest thing of all.

by DawnG 2008-05-14 03:53PM | 0 recs
Re: AHEM

Oh yeah!

The Clinton's are winners.

by bellarose 2008-05-14 06:04AM | 0 recs
That's great news!

That means Obama will have to work a little longer and he's nowhere near the delegate clinch his supporters thinks is his.

That gives Hillary a nice opening. Thanks Al!

by catfish1 2008-05-13 08:03PM | 0 recs
Re: That's great news!

Obama tonight:

"I haven't won this nomination."

by KnowVox 2008-05-13 08:45PM | 0 recs
Re: McAuliffe disagrees

So with  half the delegates seated that means

4230(.5) delegates
2115 (.25) to win
1883 for Obama
1793 (.5) for Hillary
2115 (.5) is required to win.

I am keeping the .5 in there because it is possible that every delegate will be given .5 vote instead of allowing half the delegates to vote.

with a difference of 89(.5) and 392 uncommitted supers, right?

OB has to win 60% to make it to 2115
HRC has to win 82% to make it 2115

We all have the numbers without the delegations. Let's compare this will fully seating the delegations. Then the difference is their delegate count is about 30.

OB has to win 61.5% to make it to 2208
HRC has to win 55.7% to make it 2208
i.e. 30 more delegates

by redwagon 2008-05-14 12:51PM | 0 recs
Congratulations

I'm glad Clinton got another big win.  We on the other side of the primary forget that you guys don't have as many blowouts. :) I hope it helps with fundraising.

Truly there was no way Obama could have won that state.  I'm impressed.

by Dracomicron 2008-05-13 07:48PM | 0 recs
Re: Congratulations

WV wants a President who cares about them!

by SHIBAM8P 2008-05-13 07:53PM | 0 recs
Re: Congratulations

So does Kentucky, Florida, Michigan, etc. HRC has a FIFTY STATE strategy!

by KnowVox 2008-05-13 07:59PM | 0 recs
really?

thats strange because there a nice number of states her campaign thinks is insignificant.

by kindthoughts 2008-05-13 08:23PM | 0 recs
Re: Congratulations

Well, other than those pesky caucus states.  Oh, and the ones that border Illinois, except for Indiana.  Oh, and red states that voted for Obama.

Oh my, that's significantly LESS than fifty, isn't it?

by Reaper0Bot0 2008-05-13 09:23PM | 0 recs
Re: Congratulations

My sides are hurting...

by oliver cromwell 2008-05-13 11:20PM | 0 recs
Re: Congratulations

Seriously - how can you say that with a straight face?  You are now offically known as Mr. Short Term Memory Man.

You guys discount small states, red states, caucus states, states near Illinois, Illinois, states with large AA populations, States without Unicorns, etc. and now say she is running a 50 state strategy?  You are completely insane.  When the nurse comes around with the little white cup with pills in them, thake the pills and put them in your mouth.  It will quiet the voices in your head.

by RockvilleLiberal2 2008-05-14 12:42PM | 0 recs
Re: Congratulations
And they continue to prove they will never learn.
Voted for Clinton Twice.  Voted for Bush Twice.
How did that work out for them?
by Tumult 2008-05-13 09:00PM | 0 recs
What does that mean?

Do the other states NOT want a president that cares about them?

Do all the states Obama has won want a president that DOESN'T care about them?  Are you even alluding that Obama doesn't care?

What the heck are you talking about?

by DawnG 2008-05-13 09:41PM | 0 recs
Re: Congratulations

You're right.  He could never win WV.

He can't win working class white people, older women and the elderly.  Oh, and he can't win latinos, either.

In other words, Obama can't win the General.  Why are his supporters forcing the nomination on a sure loser?  

GO HILLARY GO!!!

by bellarose 2008-05-14 06:07AM | 0 recs
Er, not so much that.

The prevailing political climate in West Virginia is not the prevailing political climate in the rest of the country.

Obama's supporters aren't "forcing" anything.  They made their selection, and there are more of them than Clinton supporters.

Listen, I'm trying to congratulate your candidate here.  I think she got a great win and admit that there are demographics that she's stronger than Obama in.  Don't make this into a slap-fight.

by Dracomicron 2008-05-14 06:23AM | 0 recs
Re: Er, not so much that.

I disagree with your assertion that more Democrats "selected" Obama over Clinton.  

This Primary season has been a real eye-opener.  One man- one vote just doesn't apply in so many instances.

by bellarose 2008-05-14 08:43AM | 0 recs
Re: Hillary Wins West Virginia - BIG!

She has won more contests and popular votes since March 4th and has the big mo going into the convention in Denver!  SD`s, are you listening!

by mcctx 2008-05-13 07:49PM | 0 recs
Re: Hillary Wins West Virginia - BIG!

They will if they we want to win in November!

by KnowVox 2008-05-13 08:00PM | 0 recs
Re: Hillary Wins West Virginia - BIG!

Straight up!

by alegre 2008-05-13 08:04PM | 0 recs
Re: Hillary Wins West Virginia - BIG!

but momentum hasn't translated into cash.

That's why the campaign is $20,000,000 in the red.

why would the supers pick someone who is bankrupt.

by Al Rodgers 2008-05-13 08:00PM | 0 recs
So money should decide presidents

Are you a Republican now? She's raised more money than any candidate who's ever run before. But she didn't raise enough, and money should decide presidents. Awesome!

by catfish1 2008-05-13 08:05PM | 0 recs
Don't worry;

delegates will decide our nominee.

by Firewall 2008-05-13 08:06PM | 0 recs
In August, they sure will

They'll look at the popular vote, including the Florida and Michigan popular vote, and do the right thing.

by catfish1 2008-05-13 08:13PM | 0 recs
Re: In August, they sure will

This will be over long before August. Surrogates of both parties (not to mention more than a few undeclared superdelegates) have been saying so for weeks.

by Firewall 2008-05-13 08:17PM | 0 recs
Re: In August, they sure will
Surrogates of both parties

No. No No NO! We are ONE party. We are the same party. The GOP brand is ruined (see Congressman-elect Travis Childers), and the only way we can possibly lose the White House is if the handful of Hillary supporters and the handful of Barack supporters who have their heads in the sand refuse to recognize that either Democratic candidate is a million times more qualified than John McCain.
by CrazyDrumGuy 2008-05-14 08:28AM | 0 recs
Re: Don't worry;

... in AUGUST.

Until then - nothing's set in stone and a LOT can happen in the next few months.

by alegre 2008-05-13 08:25PM | 0 recs
what exactly do you think will happen?

by kindthoughts 2008-05-13 08:29PM | 0 recs
Re: Don't worry;

But some things never change, alegre.

Not only can you never be gracious in losing, you can't even be gracious in victory to those that offer sincere congratulations.

You're way more concentrated on trying to grab more donations for your candidate and twirling the Penn/Mcauliffe/Wolfson campaign spin and used-car- salesman hype on this blog.

by toyomama 2008-05-13 08:37PM | 0 recs
Hillary isn't going to contest the results

you underestimate Hillary, if you think Hillary campaigns for her nomination after june 15th.

by Al Rodgers 2008-05-13 08:49PM | 0 recs
Alegre...

...there is not much more LEFT to happen.  There are not many more states LEFT to vote.

What ever happens with MI and FL, Clinton has too much ground to make up and not enough states to make it up in.  the SDs are not turning for her, they are turning away from her.

What are you going to do if August comes and Clinton is NOT the nominee?  What are you going to do if it's decided before August and it doesn't go the way you HOPE with all your heart it will?

by DawnG 2008-05-13 09:46PM | 0 recs
Sorry

you have only weeks.

by bookish 2008-05-14 04:29AM | 0 recs
Re: So money should decide presidents

Well, Hillary believes in money (from other people).
Hillary is now touting the poor kid who cashed in his bike and video game to donate to her lost campaign.
I'm betting he'd be really pissed if he finds out that his very real sacrifice pays off Mark Penn's invoices and Hillary's 'loan' to her own campaign.

And I'd actually be willing to donate $10 to give that kid back part of his ripped off donation, if I could send it directly to the boy, not through the HRC campaign!

by toyomama 2008-05-13 08:52PM | 0 recs
bankruptcy is a big deal

she doesn't have to have the most cash to win, but she has to have some

you can't run a general election campaign with none.

by Al Rodgers 2008-05-13 08:54PM | 0 recs
Re: So money should decide presidents

Any candidate except Obama.  Oh, and Obama didn't blow all his money on a poorly managed, disorganized campaign.

by sidwood 2008-05-14 12:13AM | 0 recs
Re: Hillary Wins West Virginia - BIG!

The Clintons' net worth is in the hundreds of millions.  She has gobs of money to spare.

How does $20 million bankrupt her again?

by leisure 2008-05-13 11:36PM | 0 recs
Re: Hillary Wins West Virginia - BIG!

Worked for Mitt Romney.

Wait...

by sidwood 2008-05-14 12:14AM | 0 recs
Re: Hillary Wins West Virginia - BIG!

Clinton wins since 3/4:

Pennsylvania
Indiana
West Virginia

Obama wins since 3/4:

Wyoming
Mississippi
Guam
North Carolina

You are correct that she has more popular votes since March 4th, netting 140,000 out of 5.8 million cast.

SD's are listening. Unfortunately, since 3/4 Clinton has only picked up 30.5 supers to his 91. Not the trend you're looking for.

I'm sorry, but Clinton doesn't have the big mo. They've basically tied in delegates and popular vote since March 4th, but he's gaining a ton of superdelegate endorsements and she's running out of time.

by DesideriusErasmus 2008-05-13 11:27PM | 0 recs
Re: Hillary Wins West Virginia - BIG!

I think you forgot OH and IN primaries since Mar 4th!  Just two little mid-western states with one bordering IL.  She won the primaries unlike the rigged caucus votes like TX proved to everyone on Mar 4th.  Furthermore, she was almost even with Obama in the NE vote yesterday.  Just some more proof of a bad caucus system! The GE will not be a caucus.

by mcctx 2008-05-14 08:47AM | 0 recs
Re: Hillary Wins West Virginia - BIG!

I meant to say you forgot OH and TX on March 4th, not IN.

by mcctx 2008-05-14 08:50AM | 0 recs
Re: Hillary Wins West Virginia - BIG!

Oh, I thought by "since" you meant "after." Yes OH & TX (and VT & RI) were on 3/4.

But why do contests relevant to momentum begin on the day of Clinton's most significant wins? Why not start with the Wisconsin and Hawaii? or the Potomac Primaries? or Super Tuesday?

by DesideriusErasmus 2008-05-14 09:07AM | 0 recs
Re: Hillary Wins West Virginia - BIG!

His projection sheet showed her winning 55 to 43. He only got something like 8% in Mingo county, next door to Kentucky.

by gunner 2008-05-13 07:51PM | 0 recs
I would not talk about projections

Hillary said she would win on Super Tuesday

by kindthoughts 2008-05-13 08:26PM | 0 recs
Re: Hillary Wins West Virginia - BIG!

She clobbered him - 41% victory gap baby!

by alegre 2008-05-13 08:26PM | 0 recs
totally reminds me of

Hawaii.

52% victory gap there though

by kindthoughts 2008-05-13 08:34PM | 0 recs
Re: Hillary Wins West Virginia - BIG!

and picked up a whopping 13 pledged delegates.  Now she's "only" about 150 behind with 189 or so remaining up for grabs.

And Obama has overtaken her in supers, with 2 more so far today.

Sorry, but it's too little too late for Sen. Clinton.

by TexH 2008-05-14 07:31AM | 0 recs
Re: Hillary Wins West Virginia - BIG!

His projection sheet assumed he'd be campaigning there.  He hardly did.

by Same As It Ever Was 2008-05-14 06:47AM | 0 recs
Re: Hillary Wins West Virginia - BIG!

i gave another $50....talked mom into $100.

by nikkid 2008-05-13 07:54PM | 0 recs
Re: Hillary Wins West Virginia - BIG!

All RIGHT!

by alegre 2008-05-13 08:06PM | 0 recs
Thank you

the more you contribute, the less we'll be asked to offset when this is done.

by bookish 2008-05-14 04:30AM | 0 recs
Re: Thank you

As soon as she drops out, I will donate $100 - sort of a parting gift to her.

by RockvilleLiberal2 2008-05-14 12:46PM | 0 recs
How many delegates did she pick up

tonight?

by Firewall 2008-05-13 07:55PM | 0 recs
Re: Hillary Wins West Virginia - BIG!

Her margin is going to go up to 67-68 hey algre did you see this?

NE: President - Democrat  
74% OF PRECINCTS REPORTING
  Hillary Clinton (D) 39,415 50%

 Barack Obama (D) 39,259 50%

Thats NE's primary results from tonight more proof caucuses do NOT represent the people's will

by rossinatl 2008-05-13 07:55PM | 0 recs
Re: Hillary Wins West Virginia - BIG!

rossinati - where did you find that NE poll/vote?

by nikkid 2008-05-13 07:59PM | 0 recs
Re: Hillary Wins West Virginia - BIG!

wow.

by environmentally blue 2008-05-13 08:31PM | 0 recs
Proves the folly of early numbers

Obama Edges Out Clinton in Nebraska Primary
Posted: May 14, 2008 01:53 AM
Lincoln, NE - In Nebraska's presidential primary, Presumptive Republican nominee John McCain took the top spot.

In the Democratic primary for president, Barack Obama came from behind to beat Hillary Clinton.  With 97 percent of precincts reporting Tuesday night, Obama won 49 percent of the vote. Clinton received 46 percent.

by bookish 2008-05-14 04:34AM | 0 recs
Re: Hillary Wins West Virginia - BIG!

i gave another $50....talked mom into $100.

by nikkid 2008-05-13 07:56PM | 0 recs
Re: Hillary Wins West Virginia - BIG!

Yippie!!!!! :o)

by alegre 2008-05-13 08:31PM | 0 recs
Congratulations

Hello alegre and all Hillary supporters.

I want to sincerely congratulate Senator Clinton and all her supporters for the fine win of the West Virginia primary today.

by toyomama 2008-05-13 07:56PM | 0 recs
Re: Congratulations

Thank you.

by gunner 2008-05-13 08:00PM | 0 recs
Re: Congratulations

You're welcome.

by toyomama 2008-05-13 08:02PM | 0 recs
Re: Hillary Wins West Virginia - BIG!

you could have named the diary "Hillary Wins Swing State West Virginia in Monster Landslide"

by DiamondJay 2008-05-13 08:02PM | 0 recs
Just like Indiana!!

full steam ahead!!

by Al Rodgers 2008-05-13 08:08PM | 0 recs
Re: Hillary Wins West Virginia - BIG!

Congratulations to Clinton and her supporters.

by politicsmatters 2008-05-13 08:03PM | 0 recs
Re: Hillary Wins West Virginia - BIG!

I loved this in Hillary's speech"

I'm asking that people think hard about where we are in this election, about how we will win in November, because this is not an abstract exercise. This is for a solemn, crucial purpose: to elect a president to turn our country around, to meet the challenges we face and seize the opportunities.

SuperD's need to do their job!

by KnowVox 2008-05-13 08:07PM | 0 recs
Re: Hillary Wins West Virginia - BIG!

yes.  That was great.

by environmentally blue 2008-05-13 08:30PM | 0 recs
Re: Hillary Wins West Virginia - BIG!

Those superdelegates sure have been stepping up.

by politicsmatters 2008-05-13 08:39PM | 0 recs
Re: Hillary Wins West Virginia - BIG!

Yeah - me too.

I even put it in bold!

by alegre 2008-05-13 08:33PM | 0 recs
aren't they?

The SDs are doing their job.  But it's not for YOU to dicate to them who they must choose.  They all have to decide for themselves.

by DawnG 2008-05-13 09:47PM | 0 recs
What a fighter!

She's an amazing candidate, and the only Democrat who can win across the board in demographics for November.  The Superdelegates better wake up quickly and see the light---cause it's shining on Hillary Clinton.

by izarradar 2008-05-13 08:08PM | 0 recs
Re: What a fighter!

Couldn't agree more!

by alegre 2008-05-13 08:34PM | 0 recs
Significant victory

some interesting points--

*HRC will have won more votes than any other primary candidate in history

*This is the largest loss for a "presumed" nominee, this late in the season, in history

*She goes on to win the popular vote.

Now I think Obama's plan to declare "mission accomplished" on May 20th could actually backfire on him.  People don't like to be told it's over before it is.

I will enjoy the media just having to swallow their pride as they realize that a woman after all did beat the "new shiny object" over there, leg tingles and all. But I think they will first try to spin this by attributing it to "racist white voters" or "low information" voters...that too will backfire.

by 4justice 2008-05-13 08:13PM | 0 recs
Re: Significant victory

How's she doing in the delegate count?

by Firewall 2008-05-13 08:13PM | 0 recs
Re: Significant victory

We like winners. Here, have a wiener. I like mine with relish.

by grlpatriot 2008-05-13 08:29PM | 0 recs
Re: Significant victory

I guess weiners will do when the delegates don't come through.

by Firewall 2008-05-13 08:38PM | 0 recs
Re: Significant victory

Well said 4justice!

This thing's not even close to being over.  If BO declares victory on the 20th he'll look like a 3rd rate fool.

Seriously - he's the presumptive nominee and he loses today by 41%?

He's shown us time and time again he can't close the deal.  If he'd kept it within 20 today he could have continued with this "I'm the nominee" BS but not after today's pounding in WV.  No way.

by alegre 2008-05-13 08:37PM | 0 recs
Re: Significant victory

When candidates get a majority of pledged delegates, they announce they've done that.  It happens every single time. Nothing out of the ordinary.

by politicsmatters 2008-05-13 08:40PM | 0 recs
Declaring Victory?

I keep hearing this claim that Obama's campaign is going to 'declare victory' on the 20th, but I haven't seen anything of the sort.  They expect to win the majority of available pledged delegates by then, and I expect they will have a press release about it and maybe 'celebrate' that particular milestone, as would any other candidate in that position including Hillary Clinton.  Considering the number of supers that have said they will back the candidate with the majority of pledged delegates, it is a rather important milestone after all.

But seriously, we all know this is not over until the supers have their say, and even Obama has said as much.

by protothad 2008-05-14 07:41AM | 0 recs
Re: Hillary Wins West Virginia - BIG!

Congrats to Hillary....but GO OBAMA!!!

by gorebeatbush2 2008-05-13 08:15PM | 0 recs
What Twilight Zone did I step in?

by optimusprime 2008-05-13 08:21PM | 0 recs
Re: What Twilight Zone did I step in?

It is the reality free zone known as MyDD.  Truly something to behold.

by oliver cromwell 2008-05-13 11:26PM | 0 recs
Re: What Twilight Zone did I step in?

'Cause all your friends over on Daily Kos, like, totally say it's over?  

OMG!  And so does KO.  Why he knows everything!!

Hey, have you noticed Ko's track record over the years?  The guy has a habit of picking losers.

He's doing it again.

by bellarose 2008-05-14 06:20AM | 0 recs
Re: What Twilight Zone did I step in?

Your mocking tone is lovely and much appreciated, but it does nothing to alter the reality that Senator Clinton faces - namely losing the Democratic nomination.  You mock Kos and KO, but your disdain will have to be widened a great deal to almost every other blog and media outlet outside of here and Hillaryis44 as they have nearly universally recognized the dynamics of the race and the fact that it is all but over.  Mock me all you want, but my original comment stands, perhaps stronger than ever given your telling response.  Although it stings for you, it is what it is.  The sooner you begin to deal with reality, the better.

by oliver cromwell 2008-05-14 08:21AM | 0 recs
Re: What Twilight Zone did I step in?

I couldn't care less what the majority of Kos/ Huff Post aligned bloggers or their friends in the MSM have to say about anything at this point.  They're utterly contemptuous of Hillary Clinton and her supporters and have been since the beginning of this Primary. The sexism, classism and ageism they've demonstrated throughout is nothing short of appalling.  

This overwhelming victory for Clinton and the shocking exit poll conclusions show us (yet again) that the self-appointed "creative class" is out of touch with the American electorate.    

Did you hear Halperin express his confusion as to why so many Democrats want this race to continue?    He was practically scratching his head when he finally admitted the people didn't listen when the media pronounced the race over.

Of course we didn't listen!  Actual Democrats LIKE Hillary Clinton and they're very unsure about Obama.  That's why they want this to go on.

 

by bellarose 2008-05-14 09:22AM | 0 recs
Re: What Twilight Zone did I step in?

It's quite obvious that you don't care for what the world outside of this site thinks based upon your posts and the typical material that makes the rec list here.  But that was the whole point of the original poster of this thread which I heartily seconded and continue to.  Reality is suspended in this universe so that you are able to make statements like "Actual Democrats LIKE Hillary Clinton and they're very unsure about Obama."  In what sense does this jive with the reality based universe in which Senator Obama has won more states, more delegates, more superdelegates (a nice new metric that is in step with his recent momentum towards the nomination), more popular votes...you know the list by now, but since you don't seem to like facts, by all means continue on creating whatever metrics and goalposts seem to suit your candidate best - whether made up or not.

by oliver cromwell 2008-05-14 10:55AM | 0 recs
Re: What Twilight Zone did I step in?

I just saw a link to Jerome's Preener Obama piece-of-shit diary.  As much as I have clearly enjoyed our little chat, I don't want to ever drive any more traffic to this awful site.  Enjoy your alternative reality while the rest of us work for real political realignment.  

by oliver cromwell 2008-05-14 12:00PM | 0 recs
Re: Hillary Wins West Virginia - BIG!

Yes, she did and it cannot be ignored (and CNN hasn't, which surprised the hell out of me). Maybe it's that time of the primary season when people are starting to pull their heads out of the anointed one's ass. Thanks for including Hillary's speech. It was great! Next stops, Kentucky and Oregon.

Stop by Hill's place and tip her big for her big win tonight.

by grlpatriot 2008-05-13 08:22PM | 0 recs
Re: Hillary Wins West Virginia - BIG!

I think we woke the kids up at one point we were cheering her speech so loudly!  She ROCKED!

by alegre 2008-05-13 08:38PM | 0 recs
Take a look at the front page of nyt.com

By contrast, the New York Times seems determined to downplay Clinton's win.  Last night, the election map was front and center on their web page.  But by 4:00 a.m., you had to search to find it.

by dbrown04 2008-05-14 02:44AM | 0 recs
Re: Hillary Wins West Virginia - BIG!

Whoo hooo--I dozed off when only about 86% was counted last night, but was very relieved to see that as you noted, CNN actually wasn't ignoring what the numbers were showing.  And they're still talking about it big-time this morning--clearly acknowledging it as the huge victory that it truly was.  Every county!!  And EVERY demographic (although CNN's not actually showing anything for the 3% African American vote--but she even got the youth vote by 18%)?!  (Perhaps he lost some votes by essentially blowing off WV and instead just throwing money out?)  True, the results may not count the overall delegate count much this morning...but interesting observations about the popular vote with last night included (+147,410 for her with 100% reported)--and I'm definiitely among those that think the Superdelegates have to be looking hard at this (not only the undecided's, but I hope also those that have more recently jumped on Obama's bandwagon).

Congrats to Hillary and all her hardworking supporters for such a sound and complete victory last night!!!  There is hope yet!  

by ChargedFan 2008-05-14 04:07AM | 0 recs
Re: Hillary Wins West Virginia - BIG!

I donated $100 to Hillary tonight.

I'm amazed that her vote margin is 41%! That's with 93% of the vote in so far so that could change.

I'm amazed she won across the board in all demographics and all counties. I wasn't expecting that.

Hillary has a compelling case to make for gaining the nomination. It's a very simple case: she can win and win big in November.

This was a HUGE win for Hillary! HUGE!

by Nobama 2008-05-13 08:25PM | 0 recs
Re: Hillary Wins West Virginia - BIG!

I fail to see how democrats electing a nominee of their party translates into votes by the entire electorate (not just democrats) in the general election.

I'm an Obama supporter, and he won Idaho by a 63% margin (http://politics.nytimes.com/election-gui de/2008/results/states/ID.html) but I don't extrapolate that to the general.

by shalca 2008-05-13 08:39PM | 0 recs
Re: Hillary Wins West Virginia - BIG!
Idaho:  12% of 2004 Kerry vote participated in the caucus.
West Virginia: 107% of the 2004 Kerry vote participated in the primary.
by DaveOinSF 2008-05-13 10:16PM | 0 recs
Re: Hillary Wins West Virginia - BIG!

Are you really dumb enough to think that 103% of Kerry's vote means anything?  Kerry lost WV to Bush by 13 points.  Hillary would lose WV in the general either way.  

Hillary has to win 70+ percent of all the votes/delegates left to give herself any shot at the nomination.  West Virginia was a demographic dream for her, and she only won by 40%.  It's over.  

by belicheat 2008-05-14 06:01AM | 0 recs
Re: Hillary Wins West Virginia - BIG!

Hillary could win WV.   Bill Clinton did it--twice.

The Clintons know how to win General Elections.  The Kerry wing of the party doesn't.

by bellarose 2008-05-14 06:23AM | 0 recs
Re: Hillary Wins West Virginia - BIG!

The Clintons used to know how to win Democratic primaries.  Not so much anymore.  Bill is a uniquely skilled politician.  One of the best any of us will see in our lifetimes.  While I think Hillary has a better command of substance than her husband, she not nearly as skilled as a politician.

by Same As It Ever Was 2008-05-14 06:51AM | 0 recs
The Kerry Wing?

Obama does not come from the Kerry wing of the party.  He comes from the Dean wing of the party (a.k.a. the grass roots 50 state strategy crashing the gate wing of the party).  Kerry is actually a member of the DLC along with Hillary Clinton.  They are much closer to being in the same 'wing' of the party.

Kerry lost by running a classic DLC swing state election strategy, the same type that Clinton seems prepared to run this time.  Obama has taken up Dean's 50 state strategy.

by protothad 2008-05-14 07:58AM | 0 recs
Re: Hillary Wins West Virginia - BIG!

Tonight's massive win should seriously give those undeclared Super D's something to think about - she's most definitely proved she's the stronger candidate when it comes to the GE and if they continue to ignore that fact it'll be at our party's peril.

by alegre 2008-05-13 08:40PM | 0 recs
Re: Hillary Wins West Virginia - BIG!

No, it doesn't prove that at all.  

by politicsmatters 2008-05-13 08:41PM | 0 recs
no no

did not you get the memo?

Obama winning a number of states by bigger margin than 41% means he is unelectable.

Hillary winning WV by 41% means that nomination needs to be decided based on WV vote.

by kindthoughts 2008-05-13 08:46PM | 0 recs
Re: Hillary Wins West Virginia - BIG!

Indeed. Let's see how many undeclareds come out tomorrow, and for whom. It will be a good indicator as to the importance supers give wins in WV when considering the best interests of the party.

by Firewall 2008-05-13 08:42PM | 0 recs
Clinton wins big on her home turf

just like Obama wins big on his home turf.  Compare Georgia, South Carolina and DC, and the margins racked up in those states.  And before anyone gets too excited, look at this map.  The areas in purple are counties in which Clinton got 65% of the vote or more:

So as you can see, what happened in West Virginia, and what will happen in Kentucky, is no surprise.  This is the heartland of Clinton's support.

And before anyone starts talking about white voters again, Oregon is mostly white, and polls indicate a double-digit win for Obama.  So if you're a superdelegate, the only thing that West Virginia and Kentucky will tell you is what you already knew--Democrats in Appalachia strongly prefer Hillary Clinton.

Congratulations to Hillary regardless--it's a bigger margin than I expected.

by hekebolos 2008-05-13 08:33PM | 0 recs
I LOVE THAT PICTURE OF HILLARY

I love the little picture of Hillary from NBC. It's the only light in which they portray her fairly.

by Zeitgeist9000 2008-05-13 08:43PM | 0 recs
Don't forget...

The obvious decimal point argument still is outstanding.  She's listed as winning by 40.5% now.  

Do we round it up to 41%  Or down to 40% for a less defeaning loss for Obama?  

by BPK80 2008-05-13 08:51PM | 0 recs
Re: Don't forget...

It is actually 41.15%  :)

http://www.thegreenpapers.com/P08/WV-D.p html

by observer11 2008-05-13 09:05PM | 0 recs
Re: Don't forget...

Oops, I think CNN is more updated.

by observer11 2008-05-13 09:07PM | 0 recs
Re: Don't forget...

Either way it was a rout.

Obama's dwindling fan base was hoping for reduced turnout via the "this race is over" meme.

Instead, the electorate is fully charged.  

If I'm not mistaken, Hillary has now won more primary states as of today.  Hopefully this will help draw attention to the subversive role the caucuses play in this nomination process.

by BPK80 2008-05-13 09:25PM | 0 recs
Actually, even on DKos...

the discussion about turnout was mixed.  Some diehard Obama fans wanted lower turnout to help his numbers, but many others wanted continued high Dem turnout regardless.  I'm in that latter camp.  I can stand back and appreciate the big picture enough to realized that energizing the entire American electorate is more important that how badly Obama loses one particular state.

Congrats to the Hillary camp on yesterday's win.  Lets keep that energy going into November no matter who the nominee is.

Peace

by protothad 2008-05-14 08:07AM | 0 recs
Re: Hillary Wins West Virginia - BIG!
with FL&MI she is now ahead again in Popular Vote,
see 5th line below header here:
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/ 2008/president/democratic_vote_count.htm l
by engels 2008-05-13 08:55PM | 0 recs
Re: Hillary Wins West Virginia - BIG!

with FL&MI she is now ahead again in Popular Vote

... reinforcing the deal-closing superdelegate closing argument that Hillary is more electable against opponents who have their names removed from the ballot and don't campaign.

That said, I'll have to concede that she's also a wee bit more electable in West Virginia. But wait til they count those provisional ballots - that 40 point margin will melt away to 39.5 in no time!

by obsessed 2008-05-13 11:52PM | 0 recs
Re: Hillary Wins West Virginia - BIG!

You mean she is ahead with FL & MI as long as you DON'T include IA, NE, ME, and WA.  Funny all it takes is including a state in which Obama wasn't on the ballot and not include four of his states to give her the popular vote lead.

by matchles 2008-05-14 07:27AM | 0 recs
A question about the popular vote

Some people have talked as if once the FL and MI delegates are seated, you suddenly have to count their popular vote in the total.  But since the nomination is determined by delegates, and the popular vote is thus relevant only as a measure to help super delegates make up their mind... what is stopping them from considering the FL and MI numbers regardless of whether they are seated?  Does seating those delegations really change anything other than the pledged delegate total?  Aren't the supers going to still be making up their mind based on exactly the same information?

Really, does anyone believe a superdelegate is going to look at the Michigan results as meaningful in determing which candidate is stronger (well, maybe if we can convince McCain to take his name off the ballot in November)?
Why would seating or not seating the delegation change their perspective on that?

Just curious.

by protothad 2008-05-14 08:25AM | 0 recs
Blowout in W.V.! - worth a repeat!

After tonights huge win by Hillary Clinton, this article written before OH, RI, and TX is worth a repeat! On to Denver!

"Don't Be Quick to Count Out a Clinton; Comebacks Are Their Life Story"

By NANCY BENAC Associated Press Writer

WASHINGTON February 25, 2008 (AP)

"History shows the folly of counting out a Clinton. If Hillary Rodham Clinton's campaign is looking more and more like the Titanic, she may yet prove to be the unsinkable Molly Brown."

Read the rest:

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStory ?id=4340328

by mcctx 2008-05-13 09:09PM | 0 recs
Congratulations to Senator Clinton!

And to her supporters who have earned this win by working their tails off for her.

I tip my hat and raise high my glass to you.  You deserve it!

by GFORD 2008-05-13 09:12PM | 0 recs
She's closing in!

What's she down now - 165-170 pledged delegates?

Boy, that 9 delegate advantage out of WV sure is impressive.

How many supers did Obama get since last week - something like 22-24?

by jaywillie 2008-05-13 09:19PM | 0 recs
There really is no need...

to jab the Clinton supporters.  Let them enjoy their victory; they worked hard for it.  Let the primaries play out.  We need to remember that, ultimately, we are all on the same side (against the neocons).

by protothad 2008-05-14 08:28AM | 0 recs
Still bleak for Hillary

She would need 20 wins like WV to get back in it, her fundraising is not happening, and her blowout missed by the 40+% margin required to make even the most outlandish math work.   She just roughly equaled blow-outs that Obama has had...oh well, another week or so and I hope it's over.

by obscurant 2008-05-13 09:40PM | 0 recs
Re: Still bleak for Hillary

This is how math works:

So with  half the delegates seated that means

4230(.5) delegates
2115 (.25) to win
1883 for Obama
1793 (.5) for Hillary
2115 (.5) is required to win.

I am keeping the .5 in there because it is possible that every delegate will be given .5 vote instead of allowing half the delegates to vote.

with a difference of 89(.5) and 392 uncommitted supers, right?

OB has to win 60% to make it to 2115
HRC has to win 82% to make it 2115

We all have the numbers without the delegations. Let's compare this will fully seating the delegations. Then the difference is their delegate count is about 30.

OB has to win 61.5% to make it to 2208
HRC has to win 55.7% to make it 2208
i.e. 30 more delegates

by redwagon 2008-05-14 01:05PM | 0 recs
Re: Still bleak for Hillary

That was freaking hilarious!

By the way, who is "OB"?

by obscurant 2008-05-15 12:27PM | 0 recs
Re: Hillary Wins West Virginia - BIG!

photobucket

by Nobama 2008-05-13 09:49PM | 0 recs
Re: Hillary Wins West Virginia - BIG!

Dang that's a lot of confetti.  

by Same As It Ever Was 2008-05-14 06:53AM | 0 recs
Re: Hillary Wins West Virginia - BIG!

good for her!

Enjoy it guys!

by spacemanspiff 2008-05-13 09:53PM | 0 recs
Turnout

Turnout was huge.  So far 350,000 votes have been counted, which represents 107% of the 2004 Kerry vote in the general election.  That puts West Virginia second behind only Indiana (125%) for turnout this primary season, and joining North Carolina (104%) and Texas (101% - in the primary) as the only states were more people participated in the primary than voted for Kerry in 2004.

by DaveOinSF 2008-05-13 10:09PM | 0 recs
Re: Hillary Wins West Virginia - BIG!

Obama has lost 6 out of the last 8 primaries (RI, TX, OH, PA, IN, WV to MS & NC, which he won by half the margin of SC), the latest by 40+ points and the media shrugs and just skips along to the General w/ their golden boy?  AWWWWW HELL NO!  Hillary, take this fight all the way to Denver, girl!

by BlueDoggyDogg 2008-05-13 10:45PM | 0 recs
Re: Hillary Wins West Virginia - BIG!

Um, didn't VT vote the same say as OH?  And didn't Guam and WY vote in there somewhere?  And didn't Obama win the Texas caucus and net more delegates out of the state?  Oh, I forgot, caucuses don't count.

It's called winning in favorable states.  This isn't an election of the last 10 states, it's an election of all of them (at least all of those that play by the rules).  And pretending people didn't stay home in the states that didn't and were told they wouldn't count really isn't enfranchising anyone.

Here's a sobering likelihood for you: there are 5 contests left.  Hillary will win only 1-2 -- I'm not so convinced she's as invincible in PR as some think, but it would be funny to see her try to turn PR into a general election electibility argument.

As far as the convention goes, I hope Hillary knows better.  Do you really believe she can win the white house after a bloody convention battle?  I guess some people will believe anything...

by Pragmatic Left 2008-05-14 02:51AM | 0 recs
Re: Hillary Wins West Virginia - BIG!

If you're trying to defend the caucus system the last thing you should do is bring up Texas.

by bellarose 2008-05-14 11:13AM | 0 recs
Re: Hillary Wins West Virginia - BIG!

I'm defending playing by the rules, and bringing an honest set of facts to the debate.  I'm defending caucuses because they are the rules.  Had they not be, there is nothing to suggest the Obama campaign would have been run the same way.  I'm defending them because you conveniently did not count them.

Do you have proof of improprieties in TX or just a few myDD diaries?  If there were, they should be addressed.  

But that doesn't make the substance of your comment true or relevant, nor did you answer my previous question, so I will restate and add something:

a) Do you REALLY believe Hillary would win at convention?
b) Even if she could, do you honestly believe the net effect would still permit for her to be elected president in November?

Please take into account all the facts, not just the selective ones.

by Pragmatic Left 2008-05-14 03:45PM | 0 recs
Re: Hillary Wins West Virginia - BIG!

VT and Guam.  That's 6 out of the last ten.  After winning how many in a row before that?

by Same As It Ever Was 2008-05-14 06:54AM | 0 recs
Re: Hillary Wins West Virginia - BIG!
Just for fun:
Dukakis
Carter (1980)
Humphrey
Stevenson
All Democrats who won West Virginia and lost the White House.
by MissVA 2008-05-13 11:02PM | 0 recs
Re: Hillary Wins West Virginia - BIG!

How many Democrats took it to convention and won the white house?

by Pragmatic Left 2008-05-14 02:51AM | 0 recs
Important small state victory

Congrats to Hillary and all her supporters.

She racked up more delegates in small West Virginia than in Ohio. Proof of the fact that especially in the Democratic primary a 50 state strategy is key to victory. Next cycle all campaigns will probably start their post-super tuesday campaign right after they have opened their first office in Iowa. This fact has probably landed in the Clinton campaign team by now. But it's too little too late, it doesn't even come close to what she needs to catch up in the pledged delgates race.

Even a comparable victory next week in Oregon and Kentucky will not be enough to let her catch catch up in the pledged delegate race or to convince Super Delegates. They will not go against the winner in the pledged delegates race unless Barack turns out to be the illigitemate son of Louis Farakhan.

by hebi 2008-05-13 11:04PM | 0 recs
An interesting point

This primary will likely redefine how all primaries are run in the future.  Candidates will have to take a more long term strategy and work early in every state.  That can only be good for us, the citizens, as it gives us a larger voice in the process, the platform, our democracy.

by protothad 2008-05-14 08:33AM | 0 recs
Well, she beat Poblano's prediction by 1% (eom)

by obsessed 2008-05-13 11:39PM | 0 recs
Re: Hillary Wins West Virginia - BIG!

It was a great win for Senator Clinton - congrats to all of her supporters. A well-deserved win.

by GrahamCracker 2008-05-14 02:12AM | 0 recs
Re: Hillary Wins West Virginia - BIG!

If the ultimate outcome was in question, then Hillary's big day in WV would justify the exuberance Hillary's fans, and strike fear in the hearts of Obama fans everywhere. Unfortunately, at best it can only delay the inevitable, and hurt the Democratic ticket by shortening the GE campaign. It gives false hope to Hillary's fans. I think someone's going to have to come up with a brand new adjective to describe just how bizarre and self destructive this whole process has become.

We all started out with the intention of draining the swamp.... and all we've accomplished is making the Democratic Party look pretty damn stupid.  

by xdem 2008-05-14 03:28AM | 0 recs
There is noting wrong...

with the Clinton fans celebrating this win, just as there is nothing wrong with letting the final few contests play out.  In a few weeks, we will have a candidate with the majority of pledged delegates and no contests left.  The remaining supers will likely swing hard to that candidate and validate the win.  FL and MI will be seated and not change the outcome.  We will have a nominee, and almost all Dems will accept it as legitimate (even if many are not happy about it).  Then we will go on to kick McCains butt in November.

No worries.

by protothad 2008-05-14 08:39AM | 0 recs
Now if she would just repay Dalton

Hatfield his $440 from selling his toys, she'd really be classy.

Is it legal to take donations from children?

-chris

by chrisblask 2008-05-14 05:13AM | 0 recs
Re: Hillary Wins West Virginia - BIG!

Yes, congrats to Hillary on her victory.  But realistically it really doesn't change a whole lot.  I'm fine with her continuing to run, but I am so sick of the divisiveness.  

This is a good example of what I'm talking about.  I saw a self-proclaimed "feminist" on CNN yesterday talking about voting for McCain over Obama.  A grudge against Obama is important enough to risk McCain appointing a supreme court justice that will overturn Roe v. Wade?  Petty differences are enough to risk war with Iran, or staying in Iraq 100 more years?  There is SO MUCH at stake this election, and we are pissing all over each other for no good reason.

by belicheat 2008-05-14 06:10AM | 0 recs
Re: Hillary Wins West Virginia - BIG!

That's about a lot more than a "grudge."

by bellarose 2008-05-14 09:31AM | 0 recs
Re: Hillary Wins West Virginia - BIG!

"I was cheering wildly through most of her speech."  So was I, Alegre.  So was I.

The woman never fails to inspire us.

by Caldonia 2008-05-14 06:19AM | 0 recs
Re: Hillary Wins West Virginia - BIG!

From CNN with 100% reporting:

Clinton - 239,062 67% - 20 delegates   
Obama -    91,652 26% -  8 delegates

Clinton adds 20 delegates and 147,410 votes to her popular vote total. Obama leads for now, but slow and steady wins the race.

Go Hillary!

by grlpatriot 2008-05-14 06:38AM | 0 recs
I hope

I hope Hillary focuses alot of help with the General campaign in WV.

After what I heard one of their elected DEMOCRAT officials say it seems we have low information voters and politicians in our WV Dem party.

I am not worried about the unity for the fall, I fully count on Clinton to honor her love of our party and principles.

The fact is she got the attention of 68% of WV Democrats.

They will listen to her for the General, and thats a good thing.

by GeorgeP922 2008-05-14 07:00AM | 0 recs
Re: Hillary Wins West Virginia - BIG!

Good speech by Hillary.  She's sounding a more conciliatory tone in preparation for exiting the race and uniting the party behind Obama.  You never heard rhetoric like this before NC...

"I want to commend Senator Obama and his supporters. This continues to be a hard-fought race, from one end of our country to the other. And yes, we've had a few dust-ups along the way, but our commitment to bring America new leadership that will renew America's promise means that we have always stood together on what is most important."

" . . .Senator Obama and I believe that the delegates from Florida and Michigan should be seated."

"I deeply admire Senator Obama . . ."

"We are united by common values. We all want a better world for our children, and we want the best for our country. And we are committed to putting a Democrat back in the White House."

"And our nominee - our nominee will be stronger for having campaigned long and hard, building enthusiasm and excitement, hearing your stories and answering your questions. And I will work my heart out for the nominee of the Democratic Party to make sure we have a Democratic President."

Good stuff.  Well done Senator and congratulations on a hard fought campaign.

by Same As It Ever Was 2008-05-14 07:01AM | 0 recs
Re: Hillary Wins West Virginia - BIG!

Hillary is reaching out to Obama's supporters to support her once she wins the nomination and beats the pants off McCain in the general election. I stand with Hillary, a winner, all the way to the White House.  Go Hill!

by grlpatriot 2008-05-14 07:08AM | 0 recs
Re: Hillary Wins West Virginia - BIG!

Wow.  Just wow.

by Same As It Ever Was 2008-05-14 07:16AM | 0 recs
Re: Hillary Wins West Virginia - BIG!

hehe dude, just nod your head.

Reminds of an 80's robot movie.

"Does not compute, Does not Compute"  then smoke comes out of the robots head.....

by GeorgeP922 2008-05-14 07:35AM | 0 recs
Why is this so shocking?

Look at the demographics of that state. The extremes are ...remarkable. And I don't mean that in a positive way.

They are extremely older, extremely poor ...and extremely undereducated.

West Virginia is one of the most illiterate states in the Union.

Its actually a very sad state of affairs there.

by april34fff 2008-05-14 07:34AM | 0 recs
Re: Why is this so shocking?

Its not shocking at all.   I could make comments of the gene pool there as does everyone in my fine state of MD, but I wont as I am not a jerk or a a doctor.

Beyond all that, Hillary has A BIG task ahead of her.

She does well with these low info voters, I expect her to work her ass off to get us wins in PA, Ohio, and WV.

Personally Im glad she does well with these voters overall, who better than to keep them pumped for the GE.

She is Obama's secret weapon.

by GeorgeP922 2008-05-14 07:38AM | 0 recs
Re: Why is this so shocking?

Here we go again.

Tell me, if Hillary only does well with "low info" voters, why did she kick ass in MA?

by bellarose 2008-05-14 09:43AM | 0 recs
Re: Hillary Wins West Virginia - BIG!
Sorry to go on a slight tangent, but how does one actually post a diary on this site? The UI and FAQ are not particularly helpful.
by Reeves 2008-05-14 07:38AM | 0 recs
Re: Hillary Wins West Virginia - BIG!

Look in the left column of the screen, it should say Write New DIary right under your name.

by GeorgeP922 2008-05-14 07:39AM | 0 recs
Re: Hillary Wins West Virginia - BIG!

It doesn't. I am logged in (obviously...if I can comment). But I see no such thing.

by Reeves 2008-05-14 07:40AM | 0 recs
Re: Hillary Wins West Virginia - BIG!

How long have you been a member?

Can you REC a diary or Troll rate a comment?

If you can, then I suggest clicking Contact at the bottom of the page.

As long as you werent' part of the secret Admin sweep where scores of people are losing those REC privledges (not spelled out in rules)

by GeorgeP922 2008-05-14 08:07AM | 0 recs
Re: Hillary Wins West Virginia - BIG!
Obama got 8 delegates from the hillbillies.
Drip drip drip.
by applecrispbetty 2008-05-14 07:38AM | 0 recs
Re: Hillary Wins West Virginia - BIG!

"hillbillies"?

by Caldonia 2008-05-14 08:40AM | 0 recs
She should NOT quit.

This is a prime example of why she should stay in.

Many pundits and Obama supporters are pretending as if he has "won" a blowout in this primary season.

It isn't over, so nobody has "won" yet.

Even in the end if it is not victory that Clinton gains, at least she and her supporters can let the democrats know that this IS a very close race and the demographics of Hillary supporters are just as important and valid as Obama's coalition.

And those of you who have stooped to calling her supporters "rednecks" and "racists" and "uneducated" really should get over yourselves.
I am a latte sipper, an urbanite, and a successful college graduate.  I have met some very stupid people who are also "college graduates".  In my world view, class ism and racism are very similar.  What is next, do you call them serfs?

I don't fault anyone for choosing Obama as their favorite candidate, but the rhetoric that has been thrown against those who chose Hillary is really out of hand, and a very stupid thing to do.

Go ahead and keep insulting us long time democrats.  Tell us it is not our party, that we are not welcome, keep it going.  Political parties can and do change.

by Al Depansu 2008-05-14 11:22AM | 0 recs
Re: Hillary Wins West Virginia - BIG!

Congrats to Senator Clinton and her supporters on an impressive victory.

by Koan 2008-05-14 12:15PM | 0 recs
Re: Hillary Wins West Virginia - BIG!

You will all think I'm a troll, but I'm not.  The polls about Hillary supporters not supporting Obama are probalby correct to an extent.  I, my mother, my sister, my brother-in law, four of my closest friends and their mothers, and three female colleagues have all indicated to me that they will either vote for McCain, not vote in the presidential race, or vote for a third party candidate.  You folks can reply with all the hateful rhetoric you want about our being sore losers and trolls and so forth but it's a fact.  Romney or Huckabee would have been a different story but McCain is somewhat palatable to us moderate democrats.

by MidwestTracker 2008-05-14 01:57PM | 0 recs
Re: Hillary Wins West Virginia - BIG!

Good story but past history says that Clinton supporters will support Obama come November.  Seems far fetched to many here but there you go.  Imagine:  Clinton endorsing Obama.  Just imagine it. She's already taking a nicer tone towards him, just like Edwards has been the past couple of weeks.  If it were to happen would you then ignore her?  Again, history says no.

If the opposite were to occur- if Obama were to lose- he would endorse Clinton- and his supporters would move into her column.  Maybe reluctantly but they surely would.  Now since Obama is on the verge of the nomination, even with Clinton running an amazing campaign, she will eventually endorse him and her supporters will back him and not McCain or sit out November.

by Taran 2008-05-14 08:03PM | 0 recs
West Virginians Explain Their Choice

by obsessed 2008-05-14 02:42PM | 0 recs
Re: Hillary Wins West Virginia - BIG!

Crazy

by bitch 2008-05-14 06:08PM | 0 recs
Re: Hillary Wins West Virginia - BIG!

http://hillaryis404.org

by baghdadjoe 2008-05-14 06:14PM | 0 recs
Re: Start writing in Oregon media NOW!

by Northshorewoman 2008-05-15 01:46PM | 0 recs

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