ACTION: Seventy-seven Cents

When I was a kid I wore a lot of buttons (still do).  Anti-war buttons, campaign buttons, farmworker / boycott buttons, ERA buttons, I read banned books buttons, question authority buttons, anti-nuclear power buttons... you name it I had it in my collection and I wore them with pride.  One of my buttons was Kelly green with white lettering and it said simply "59c".  That's how much a woman made for every dollar earned by a man in our society.  Fifty-nine cents.  Now that was back in the early or mid-70s and we've made some progress since then.  We've come a long way baby but we still have a long way to go.  That's where Hillary's new initiative comes into the picture.

Hillary and her campaign launched a new effort today to correct a mighty wrong and draw attention to the need to close the wage gap in this country.  Some of you may remember a bill she introduced on the heels of that atrocious Supreme Court decision regarding a woman who sued for back pay after learning that her male colleagues made significantly more money than she did.  The Supremes, in their infinite ignorance told her to take a hike so Hillary jumped into action and put together a bill to correct that injustice.  And she's still at it - fighting to level the playing field for half the people who labor in our nation's workforce.  Take a look at the press release they put out today regarding this latest effort...

Clinton Campaign Launches "Make Change Count"

Campaign "Wage Gap Calculator" Allows Women to Measure the Impact of Pay Equity

Today, the Clinton campaign launched a week-long effort, "Make Change Count," to educate voters on the wage gap and Hillary Clinton's leadership in addressing pay equity.  Voters can calculate their wage gap on the "Make Change Count" calculator, access a "toolkit" to educate others, and read daily blog posts from prominent national leaders beginning with Rep. Hilda Solis (CA) today (www.hillaryclinton.com/women).  Reports show that gaps in wages between women and men persist 45 years since the Equal Pay Act was signed, which was meant to eliminate such disparities.  The campaign's focus on pay equity will continue through Equal Pay Day on April 22nd.      

"The Equal Pay Act was an important step forward for women," said Senator Clinton.  "It gave women a real chance to be full, equal participants in the workforce and to earn equal pay for equal work. Women have shattered so many barriers in the 45 years since the Equal Pay Act was enacted. But we still have work to do to truly level the playing field."

"That means making sure that employers treat men and women equally in the workplace.  It also means giving women the tools they need to acquire the pay and recognition they deserve," she added.  "I encourage women and men to use the `Make Change Count' calculator to see how the wage gap is robbing women and their families of their rightfully earned income."

Throughout the week leading up to Equal Pay Day on April 22, the Clinton Campaign will be hosting events across the country and featuring blog posts by prominent national leaders on the wage gap at www.hillaryclinton.com/women.  Today in North Carolina, National Organization for Women President Kim Gandy, Reverend Marcia Dyson, Hillary's longtime friend Betsy Ebeling, and leader Irene Natividad will join women across North Carolina in a statewide "Women's Day of Action." Women leaders will be attending and holding events in Pennsylvania, Kentucky, Indiana, and Oregon throughout the week.

Even as women continue to make progress in the workplace, they still earn only .77 cents for every dollar men earn, and the gap is even worse for women of color.  Hispanic women earn .57 cents and African American women only .68 cents.  The wage gap affects women and their entire families every day: for every $100 a woman earns, she has $23 less to spend on groceries, housing, child care and other expenses.

Hillary has spent [her] entire career fighting for women and families. She knows it is in the best interests of men and women to fight for, and finally achieve, equal wages for equal work. That's why she has led the charge in the Senate to strengthen equal pay laws and end pay disparities between men and women.  Hillary introduced the Paycheck Fairness Act to strengthen enforcement of the equal pay laws and ensure that the federal government sets a higher standard.

She has also sponsored the Fair Pay Restoration Act to guarantee that workers like Lilly Ledbetter will have appropriate and timely recourses to wage discrimination so that they receive the fair pay they deserve.  In May 2007, the Supreme Court ruled against Lilly Ledbetter who was paid significantly less than her male coworkers for twenty years, finding that victims of pay discrimination must file a charge within 180 days, even though many will not know how much their colleagues are being paid for much longer.  Hillary immediately took action in developing the Fair Pay Restoration Act with her colleagues in the Senate.

Congresswoman Hilda L. Solis (D-CA) posted the first in a series of blog entries on Hillary's new webpage (http://www.hillaryclinton.com/women) today, in which she lists some pretty startling statistics.  Take a look...

Every year, we commemorate Equal Pay Day on a Tuesday in April to symbolize how far into the year a woman must work, on average, to catch up to what their male counterpart earned in the previous calendar year. The day itself is also symbolic, chosen because it is the day women's wages catch up to men's earnings from the previous week. In 2007, white women earned 77 cents for every dollar a white man makes. For women of color, the wage disparity is even worse; African American women earned 68 cents and Latinas earned 57 cents. The Census Bureau estimates that the average Latina woman working full-time earns almost $18,000 less than a man in one year. Over a 30-year career, this discrepancy adds up to $510,000. I have seen how this disparity affects families in my district and as a Latina who grew up in Los Angeles County, I know first hand that equal pay isn't just a woman's issue; it affects whole families and communities
 across the country.

Hillary Clinton has been a champion for working women throughout her career in public service and understands the huge impact the wage gap has on American families. With a struggling national economy and a middle class that is feeling the squeeze, she knows that this is a problem that needs direct and aggressive action. She introduced the Paycheck Fairness Act in the Senate to eliminate the pay gap between men and women. This legislation would take important steps to empower women to negotiate for equal pay, to create strong incentives for employers to follow the law, and to strengthen federal outreach and enforcement efforts. I am a proud cosponsor of this legislation and a proud supporter of Hillary Clinton because she works incredibly hard for equal rights for working women and families. I know that as president, Hillary will fight for each person to truly live the American Dream of equality and opportunity and I will continue to do everything I can
 to help her shatter that ultimate glass ceiling.

Ya know in reading through that press release, the blog post and that bill of Hillary's I'm reminded of something Hillary said in an interview recently - that women are often the head of single-parent households.  So by paying them less than the going rate you're not only robbing them of equal compensation - but you're taking food out of the mouths of their children as well.  This is important stuff you guys.  When you make it possible for women to earn a fair day's wage for her labor you not only raise her boat, but that of her family as well.  Whether she's the head of the household or one of the breadwinners - fair wages is just a basic tenet of what Democrats stand for in this country.

Ok so here's the "ACTION" bit to this write-up gang...

Senate Bill 841 (S. 841) - the Fair Pay Restoration Act was introduced in the Senate by Hillary on April 19, 2005, and currently has 18 co-sponsors. One of my Senators, Barbara Mikulski has co-sponsored but Ben Cardin is going to hear from me (repeatedly if need-be) about co-sponsoring this one.  

(And hey if you live in Illinois could you ask Sen. Obama to co-sponsor this one?)

Senate Bill 766 (S. 766) - the Paycheck Fairness Act was introduced in the Senate by Hillary on March 6, 2007 and currently has 22 co-sponsors. True to form, Barbara Mikulski's a co-sponsor (I love that woman!) but - sadly, Ben Cardin has yet to be heard on this one.  Well actually he's being heard loud and clear by his failure to sign on to these important bills.  So he's going to be hearing from me on this as well.

No excuses gang - every - single - Democrat needs to sign on to these bills.  Check those above links and if your Senators aren't listed then hit the phones and start bugging them.  The toll-free number for the US Capitol Switchboard is 1-800-828-0498 (or 202-224-3121) - write this number down and use it every day until you get the right answer out of your Senators.  Seriously, how anyone could stand against equal pay for everyone is beyond me.  

Now there's one more thing you can do to help insure a level playing field when it comes to our pay packets folks, and I think you know where I'm headed with this.  Help elect the woman who's been fighting to get the job done in the Senate re pay equity for the past 3 years, and fighting for women and kids for the past 35 years.  You say you care about equal pay for women?  Great - then put your money where your heart is and pony up! Help put Hillary into the Oval Office where she can push for these bills - I mean really fight to make equal pay a reality for millions of us all around this country.

Women only earn 77 cents for every dollar a man earns in this nation.  So in honor of Equal Pay Day I want each and every one of you to send Hillary some love - right now - to celebrate the launch of this new initiative.  Large or small - whatever you can afford it doesn't matter - as long as you add an extra .77 to your donation. Send her $5.77, $25.77, $50.77, $100.77 or $250.77 - more if you can swing it.  But let her know you're donating because you care about closing that wage gap.  Tell the world that you want to see the women in your life paid the same wages as men, and that you know she's the one person who can make sure that gap gets closed.

So!  What are you waiting for...

DONATE NOW!

There's an old saying... Women hold up half the sky. Well ya know what?  It's time we earned an even share for our labors.  Forty-five years is too damn long to wait for pay equity.  And seventy-seven cents just won't cut it any more.  

Help put Hillary in the White House and we WILL close that wage gap.  

Thanks gang!

Tags: 2008 elections, equality, Hillary Clinton, pay equity, president, Women (all tags)

Comments

128 Comments

Re: ACTION: Seventy-seven Cents

Come on... you know what to do ;o)

DONATE NOW!

Thanks!

by alegre 2008-04-15 05:35PM | 0 recs
I'm sending $44.77

Thanks for the reminder that I needed to send some more love to the 44th President.

by NewHampster 2008-04-15 05:37PM | 0 recs
Fantastic!

Wouldn't it be nice to have a President who doesn't forget about the 51% of Americans that still don't have the equal rights they deserve? Go Hill! :-)

by atdleft 2008-04-15 05:42PM | 0 recs
Re: Fantastic!

Refreshing doesn't even begin to describe how it'd feel.

by alegre 2008-04-15 06:07PM | 0 recs
How about helping

Pushing this diary?

"I Still Have Faith In That Dream..." - Hillary Clinton
http://www.mydd.com/story/2008/4/15/2211 54/831

by kevin22262 2008-04-15 07:15PM | 0 recs
President Obama will be your advocate as well

You can read about how our 44th President will serve you well:

http://my.barackobama.com/page/content/w omenissues

by Veteran75 2008-04-15 05:49PM | 0 recs
Hello?
Are you there? Does Alegre go around spamming Obama diaries? Nope. This is pretty disgusting yet not suprising. What, is it your twelfth birthday today? Did mommy and daddy let you play on the co-puter all day long? Gee!
by linc 2008-04-15 05:56PM | 0 recs
Re: Hello?

How is this spamming . . . I have seen much more incendiary "spam" on Obama sites.

by URKnot 2008-04-15 09:16PM | 0 recs
Re: President Obama will be your advocate as well

What TF is wrong with you?

Seriously - grow the hell up.

The fact that you COMPLETELY ignore th subject of this diary speaks volumes about your candidate and the type of followers he's attracted in his campaign.

by alegre 2008-04-15 06:05PM | 0 recs
Re: President Obama will be your advocate as well

"The fact that you COMPLETELY ignore th subject . . ."

It looked like he was trying to educate the readers of this diary. Face it . . . your fans are going to get this on the rec list. It will be the most read diary, and will break the streak of four positive Obama diaries in a row.

Don't you think that MyDD can have a fair discussion on this issue? A link to what Obama thinks about it is a great start. I also clicked on the Hillary link in your diary, so I know how to defend her if she gets the nomination from him.

Thanks for both links. MyDD is about Democrats working together, not trashing each other.

by McTrollop 2008-04-15 06:13PM | 0 recs
Re: President Obama will be your advocate as well

Ok fair enough.  Once is one thing but spamming my efforts is just childish and lazy.

I've worked hard over the past 4 years to develop a rep and build up street cred on these blogs.  I've posted to discussion boards since the mid-90s.  

Someons spamming my efforts to get his stuff up on to the rec list is pathetic - put the work and effort in and build up his own rep here and post his own diaries if he wants to get the info out there.  Then I might have some respect for his posts.

But stop trying to piggy-back on my efforts.

by alegre 2008-04-15 06:37PM | 0 recs
Re: President Obama will be your advocate as well

You have a good post, and a good cause.  Don't undermine your reputation by slamming someone with a different point of view.  Obama is a good Democrat too, and one that Hillary has to contend with.  If, as her supporter, the best you can do is defend her by slashing and burning people with a different point of view, then, you don't represent your candidate well, nor yourself.

by Kiku 2008-04-15 08:52PM | 0 recs
ROFL!!!
I've worked hard over the past 4 years to develop a rep and build up street cred on these blogs.

alegre doesn't have much to lose at this point
by jwolf 2008-04-15 09:05PM | 0 recs
Hard to build up cred

when you're on strike.

by ReillyDiefenbach 2008-04-15 10:15PM | 0 recs
Re: President Obama will be your advocate as well

Alegre, I've disagreed with many of the things you've written, but this is the first time that you have seriously pissed me off.

I'm beside myself that you would adopt such a self-important, arrogant, abusive tone simply because someone posted information about what another candidate is doing to help women.

Isn't that the whole subject of your diary -- helping to address the wage gap in this country? What's wrong with pointing people to alternate sources of information? The commenter didn't say anything negative about Clinton or her policies, they simply provided a link to Obama's policies.

It's you who needs to grow up, Alegre. You're way out of line here, and you owe the commenter an apology.

Will you do the right thing and apologize?

by jdusek 2008-04-15 06:45PM | 0 recs
Re: President Obama will be your advocate as well

Ummm... you have noticed that he's spamming my diary - right?  And not simply to get information about pay equity out there - just links to a page or a link to donate.

You're beside yourself?  Try putitng up with this shite from abusive punks with no other purpose than to disrupt and antagonize.

They're lazy and abusive.  Want to get info out there then post a diary - simple enough.

Want to actually DISCUSS the issue raised in this post then fine - tell us about the finer points of your candidate without just pasting and running.  Engage in the discussion - that's how things used to be until about 4 months ago.  Since then it's just been copy and paste, spam and abuse from those guys and I'm getting tired of the bullshit.

by alegre 2008-04-15 07:00PM | 0 recs
Re: President Obama will be your advocate as well

He provided a link to Obama's policies on the very subject of your diary, then encouraged people to donate. If that's spamming, it happens in pro-Obama diaries and pro-Clinton diaries quite frequently.

As for putting up with abuse and antagonizing comments, he wasn't abusive or negative towards you or your candidate. You adopted a confrontational tone, not the other way around. Whatever issues you have with other "punks", the poster wasn't being uncivil, so you have no right to act the way you did.

And I'm sorry, but it's the height of hypocrisy for you to criticize someone for pasting and running. You do it all the time. You ran from DKos, you run from intelligent comments in your cut-and-paste diaries to start new ones on the exact same subject. When you do respond to comments, it's often in a hostile tone that is totally unwarranted.

Make all the excuses you want, but you were wrong.

Tell you what, if you want to apologize, I'll go donate $44 to Hillary right now.

by jdusek 2008-04-15 07:16PM | 0 recs
Why all the hostility? Afraid of a Comparisons?

Or more likely you'd like to distract readers from making a comparison.

Your inappropriate rude response has prompted me to send Obama a donation tonight.

by Lefty Coaster 2008-04-15 06:53PM | 0 recs
Re: President Obama will be your advocate as well

Thank you for the link.

I have noticed that both HRC and Obama have great plans to improve this issue, while McCain is lacking.

Obama took the female vote in my home (MD), but I am sure either will take it over McCain in the GE.

by FOB92 2008-04-15 06:31PM | 0 recs
Re: President Obama will be your advocate as well

This is so scientology...

by grego101 2008-04-15 06:49PM | 0 recs
Ka-CLICK!!!
Dang it Vet...don't make me send Annie after yuh!

HillarOakley
by jwolf 2008-04-15 06:55PM | 0 recs
it's actually a good analogy

She is going to be known as they greatest American president.

by internetstar 2008-04-16 11:32AM | 0 recs
Ha!
Me too!
by linc 2008-04-15 05:54PM | 0 recs
Re: I'm sending $44.77

Hey cool - $44.77... I LOVE it! ;o)

by alegre 2008-04-15 06:03PM | 0 recs
Obama supporters will match your $25 donation at

http://www.barackobama.com/

by Veteran75 2008-04-15 05:42PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama supporters will match your $25 donation

TR'd for jumping all over a nice thread by Alegre.  Take your Hope Bong elsewhere.

by NewHampster 2008-04-15 05:44PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama supporters will match your $25 donation

Hope Bong.  

by LarsThorwald 2008-04-15 06:40PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama supporters will match your $25 donation

obama's website is the creepist I have seen in a while

by lori 2008-04-15 05:44PM | 0 recs
You don't like the Halo over his head
The One he is.
Be Secure in The One
by NewHampster 2008-04-15 05:47PM | 0 recs
Re: You don't like the Halo over his head

That's no halo, Hamp.  It's a smoke ring.

by Tolstoy 2008-04-15 08:34PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama supporters will match your $25 donation

damn, i thought it was just me.

it's like some weird movie about... i dunno. all those faceless people coming out of the mists... gives me the willies, it does.

by campskunk 2008-04-15 05:47PM | 0 recs
I am so with you
why on earth is it OK for Obama to have a glory behind his webpage photo? Weird. Really, really weird.
by linc 2008-04-15 05:58PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama supporters will match your $25 donation

You want creepy - check out this video (shudder!)

by alegre 2008-04-15 06:12PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama supporters will match your $25 donation

Crap - forgot link....

Resistance is futile.

by alegre 2008-04-15 06:14PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama supporters will match your $25 donation
Hey gang, look what I found on YouTube!
It degrades Obama's candidacy by equating it with some kind of a virus or disease.  Heh, cool, huh?
Now will you donate to a good cause?
by haystax calhoun 2008-04-15 08:26PM | 0 recs
by alegre 2008-04-15 06:15PM | 0 recs
Re: Here's The Link

Come November 4th . . . when Obama and Hillary raise their hands in victory over McCain - you will look back at this filthy attack video in shame.

We are ALL Democrats.

I would hope to see you join us someday in defining John McCain.

by Obamanaut 2008-04-15 06:21PM | 0 recs
Re: Here's The Link

I refuse to believe that you are a Democrat

by lizardbox 2008-04-15 07:09PM | 0 recs
Re: Here's The Link
You have some growing up to do it seems.
 
by haystax calhoun 2008-04-15 08:19PM | 0 recs
Re: Here's The Link

Hide-rated your multiple, content-free postings of this video as I take it as pretty plainy against the User Guidelines.  Video depicts democratic presidential candidate as a manchurien candidate/virus eating away at the american flag, his spouse as the "Root of Hate", disparages Dem party stalwarts like Kennedy, Pelosi and Kerry while presenting Lou Dobbs as a voice of reason...

by moreperfectunion 2008-04-15 08:51PM | 0 recs
Here's The Stink
How incredibly childish. Yet predictable.
by jwolf 2008-04-15 09:01PM | 0 recs
Stop it...

Seriously, stop hijacking Alegre's thread. You're NOT helping your candidate here. Maybe this is allowed at that orange sewer site, but not on civilized blogs like this one.

by atdleft 2008-04-15 05:46PM | 0 recs
Republican Troll

He's trying to fuck with my diary and make BO look bad.  TIme to report him to Admin.

by alegre 2008-04-15 06:16PM | 0 recs
Re: ACTION: Seventy-seven Cents

Gender pay disparity is hugely important.  Its also both good policy and good politics for Democrats to be pushing for action on this.  

I'm an Obama supporter, but kudos to Hillary for her efforts on this issue.  Its way past time for this to be addressed.    

Ledbetter was a truly atrocious (and rightwing "activist") decision.  From the link, it seems like the Republicans put Hillary's bill correcting it into committee hell (Latest Major Action: 4/19/2005 Referred to Senate committee. Status: Read twice and referred to the Committee on Health, Education, Labor, and Pensions).  If Sen. Clinton becomes the nominee and wins, I hope she pushes the Congress to take it up; if she does not become the nominee, I hope she champions it to the Democratic Senate.    

by bosdcla14 2008-04-15 06:45PM | 0 recs
Re: ACTION: Seventy-seven Cents

Thank you!  Finally... someone who wants to discuss the issues!

by alegre 2008-04-15 07:02PM | 0 recs
Re: ACTION: Seventy-seven Cents

Hey, an actual substantive diary about a genuine important issue. I'll tip to that.

by fwiffo3 2008-04-15 06:56PM | 0 recs
Re: ACTION: Seventy-seven Cents

Strait Jackets have BUTTONS?

Hmm.

Must be the new style.

by jwolf 2008-04-15 07:03PM | 0 recs
Just For Comparison - Here's where Obama stands:

ECONOMIC ISSUES

Fighting for Pay Equity:
Despite decades of progress, women still make only 77 cents for every dollar a man makes. A recent study estimates it will take another 47 years for women to close the wage gap with men at Fortune 500 corporate offices. Barack Obama believes the government needs to take steps to better enforce the Equal Pay Act, fight job discrimination, and improve child care options and family medical leave to give women equal footing in the workplace.

Expanding Paid Medical Leave:
Today, three-out-of-four low-wage workers have no paid sick leave. It is fundamentally unfair that a single mom playing by the rules can get fired or lose wages because her child gets sick. Barack Obama supports efforts to guarantee workers seven days of paid sick leave per year, a moderate proposal that should not impose too onerous a burden on employers.

Investing in Women-Owned Small Businesses:
Women are majority owners of more than 28 percent of U.S. businesses, but head less than 4 percent of venture-capital-backed firms. Women business owners are more likely than white male business owners to have their loan applications denied. Barack Obama encourages investing in women-owned businesses, providing more support to women business owners and reducing discrimination in lending.

Improving Child Support Collection:
Less than half of parents collecting child support receive the full payments they are due. More than $11 billion in child support goes unpaid every year. Barack Obama introduced legislation to increase child support enforcement by an additional $4.9 billion over 10 years, a measure that will collect nearly $20 billion in payments from men who don't fulfill their parental responsibilities. The bill also makes sure that states pass through 100 percent of collected child support payments to families.

link

by Lefty Coaster 2008-04-15 07:15PM | 0 recs
Re: ACTION: Seventy-seven Cents

i'm in for 17.77, it was a great year.  

by anna shane 2008-04-15 08:17PM | 0 recs
Don't forget to donate to Obama too!

https://donate.barackobama.com/page/cont ribute/aprilmatch?match_campaign_id=7&am p;source=feature_match

by Veteran75 2008-04-15 05:38PM | 0 recs
Re: Don't forget to donate to Obama too!

http://www.barackobama.com/

by Veteran75 2008-04-15 05:40PM | 0 recs
Don't forget to donate to a phony elitist too!!

Obama supporters are not donating to "a campaign for change," they are donating to a PR campaign masquerading as a "grassroots movememt." What could be more vacuous, more specious, more meriritous, more content-free, more fallacious, more of a crock, more full of you-know-what, more obviously evident of having been poll-tested, focus-grouped, and being the product of marketeers, admen, and other assorted phonies, pitchmen, and corporate bullshit artists like Axelrod, than saying that a donation to Mr. Full-of-It is a donation for "change." Change of what? Of the guy in charge, sure. But change of policy? No. Change as in having a real liberal in office? No.

Yeah, donate to Mr. Consult With Your Clergyman if you want an abortion, a "present" voting, "I  understand the 'pro-life' position," anti- reproductive and bodily freedom, unions are a "special interest," "I love Ronald Reagan,"  Social Security is "in crises," working class people are too stupid to understand me, misgogynist, homophobe-embracing, say anything to be elected, I'll "kiss you" if you vote for me, conceited, I won't let a "regular Joe" take a picture of me, slumlord-loving, no accomplishnment since law school, fake "autobiography" writing, fake "African-American," fake "son of an immigrant," fake "son of a goatherder," racist, sexist, crackpot, conspiracty theorist, make-humping-gestures-like-a-rutting-hog "pastor" "reverend" "spiritual advisor" having, throw your sick, elderly grandmother who helped raise you and send you to your fancy-ass private school grandmother under the bus like
Obama if you want nothing to change but the name of the guy in charge.

If you want real change, donate to, and vote for, Hillary.

by freemansfarm 2008-04-15 06:20PM | 0 recs
Re: Don't forget to donate to a phony elitist to

It sounds like you are going to be cheering on McCain if Obama gets the nomination.

You will be lonely. The majority of us will kumbaya.

by Obamanaut 2008-04-15 06:24PM | 0 recs
Re: Don't forget to donate to a phony elitist to

Not to worry - Hillary's going to get the nod ;o)

by alegre 2008-04-15 07:04PM | 0 recs
Re: Don't forget to donate to a phony elitist to

. . . and if she doesn't I know you will be yes yes yes with her behind Obama!

by Obamanaut 2008-04-17 06:32PM | 0 recs
Did you happen to read what you wrote?

While I could say this about your entire rant...

fake "African-American," fake "son of an immigrant"

Seriously?

So you're telling me (among other things that make no sense) that Obama is not an African American or the son of an immigrant?

I mean you can foam at the mouth about a lot of things, but this?  Wow.

by asherrem 2008-04-15 06:41PM | 0 recs
Re: Don't forget to donate to a phony elitist to

You really should have given up drinking...like yesterday.  Your post history views like a careening car wreck.  Not healthy.  Do you have vitamins in the medicine cabinet or some tomato juice or something?  

by haystax calhoun 2008-04-15 08:32PM | 0 recs
Don't hijack Alegre's thread...

Seriously, go to another thread to promote your candidate. What does that have to do with equal pay for women?

by atdleft 2008-04-15 05:40PM | 0 recs
Re: Don't hijack Alegre's thread...

What does asking for donations have to do with it?

The blog was a great issue blog, but if she is going to ask for donations to ONE candidate . . . then might as well ask for mine.

by Veteran75 2008-04-15 05:43PM | 0 recs
Do it

in your own diary...sheesh.

by Coldblue 2008-04-15 05:45PM | 0 recs
TR'd because

you are a Troll, Troglodyte and ass.

by NewHampster 2008-04-15 05:45PM | 0 recs
Re: TR'd because

Wow . . . looks like a classy bunch of potty-mouths in here tonight.

Chill out and listen to Alegre. You are FTT.

by Obamanaut 2008-04-15 05:58PM | 0 recs
What the hell happened?
Was their a daycare breakout or something?
by linc 2008-04-15 05:59PM | 0 recs
Re: Don't hijack Alegre's thread...

You asked a good question.

What does donating money to two candidates, either of which may be the next president of the United States, have to do with equal pay for women?

Now I've got one for you..

Do you plan on supporting equal pay for women if Clinton is not the next president of the United States?

Okie dokie then.

by asherrem 2008-04-15 06:47PM | 0 recs
Re: Don't hijack Alegre's thread...

Agree with you.  And I'm an Obama supporter.  But there are some issues where I think Hillary is better, gender disparity in pay is one of them, and I think alegre's fundraising appeal is a clever and innovative way to draw attention to the issue and to support the candidate who is better on it.  

by bosdcla14 2008-04-15 06:47PM | 0 recs
Re: Don't hijack Alegre's thread...

thank you for saying this.

by proudliberaldem 2008-04-15 10:11PM | 0 recs
Re: Don't hijack Alegre's thread...

It has to do with a basic Democratic platform that both candidates support, unlike McCain.  

by URKnot 2008-04-15 09:22PM | 0 recs
Re: ACTION: Seventy-seven Cents

I don't take money from oil companies .

But i darn sure can help put Hillary Clinton in the whitehouse.

by lori 2008-04-15 05:38PM | 0 recs
Re: ACTION: Seventy-seven Cents

But Hillary does take lots of money from Pentagon Contractors, and their lobbyists.

by Lefty Coaster 2008-04-15 07:22PM | 0 recs
Re: ACTION: Seventy-seven Cents

Um Alegre, Sen Obama did co-sponsor it on 4.24.07.  Maybe you could fix that honest mistake in your diary.

Also the awesome Sen. from MN with the 60%+ approval rating also co-sponsored it but the slimy turncoat Norm will never sign on to this.

Recced if you fix for accuracies sake.

by Student Guy 2008-04-15 05:38PM | 0 recs
Re: ACTION: Seventy-seven Cents

My bad I was talking about the next one.  I apologize.

by Student Guy 2008-04-15 05:40PM | 0 recs
Right on Alegre!
count me in. 44 and .77!
by linc 2008-04-15 05:40PM | 0 recs
Such an important diary.

No other candidate is working as hard as Senator Clinton to make sure women are paid equally to men.  And guys, think this doesn't affect you?  How many of your wives are bringing home paychecks?  Think that paycheck is as much as her male co-worker?  Fat chance.  And sons?  How many of your Moms are working hard and getting cheated of an honest paycheck.  This is an issue that affects men as well as women, and Hillary is the only one of the candidates who has taken this on.  Not just now because she's running for President---She's been a champion for equal pay for years.   Time to join her, don't you think?  

by izarradar 2008-04-15 05:43PM | 0 recs
Re: ACTION: Seventy-seven Cents

I sure wish people would study statistics and public policy.  The main reason why "women" make more money than "men" is that women as a group go into less well-paying fields. This is far more of an effect than pay discrimination.  I used to have a 69cent button myself (the old wage gap) and rail about this until I investigated this further.

Of course, this is a pretty complicated matter so there other factors as well, such as the larger education gap between women and men who are 50+ (but which is much lower as you look at younger age cohorts), the time many women take out of the workplace to raise kids which means that they have less work experience at age 45 than men do, and women's commitments to having balanced lives which men are less likely to share, but most of it has to do with the jobs women hold versus men.

The best way to solve this would be to a) encourage women to go into typically male-dominated fields, including engineering and science, b) improve the ability of women to balance work and family, c) create incentives for telecommuting and part-time work, d) for fields like teaching that a lot of women hold and which are funded by tax dollars, work to raise salaries.

But focusing on pay discrimination? Sounds good, but it's not anywhere near the main reason for differences in pay.  Of course it should get enhanced attention and some women have suffered greatly in that area, but the other issues are far more important causes for pay differences.

by politicsmatters 2008-04-15 05:47PM | 0 recs
Re: ACTION: Seventy-seven Cents

Why did you downrate my comment? Isn't this a diary about a policy issue?  If you disagree with my points, please let's discuss them.

by politicsmatters 2008-04-15 05:53PM | 0 recs
Re: ACTION: Seventy-seven Cents

You really had to ask?

I went in trying to find some real discussion; but something (dare I call it Obama derangement syndrome?) seems to get in the way of this real issue.

Maybe reminding ourselves that both Obama and Clinton at their worst are better for women and minorities (and most aggreived, minority women) than McCain is or ever will be, would be good for the party.

But instead it was just a Clinton fundraising drive. Kind of exploitive in my opinion, but only because of the angry reaction to the link to the Women for Obama site. It is actually a good thing to include.

Not sure about the tantrum that followed, seemed a bit Bush bubble to me. It's not like there was a "nuh-uh, Obama's better" to it, just an "Obama exists" vibe.

Maybe there should be something that says "No Obama Supporters Allowed."

As for the above comment, not sure I agree. Certianly societal sexism is why traditionally female (caring) fields (nursing, education, riviting) is valued less, paid less, treated as lesser -- but I think the $.77 figure involves apples-to-apples jobs.

But to troll rate it for disagreement? Very weak. Very Bush Bubble. And I eagerly await my own.

by Lettuce 2008-04-15 06:36PM | 0 recs
You have rendered me nearly mute!

Traditionally female occupations have been undervalued because they have been occupied by women, not because the occupations themselves are not worthy of more compensation.  Look at the skills and the education and the responsibility shouldered by professional registered nurses and ask yourself why they should be paid on a par with men who repair parking meters or unionized grocery clerks.  

Pay discrimination is real!  

by Radiowalla 2008-04-15 06:38PM | 0 recs
Re: You have rendered me nearly mute!

No, sorry, it's just supply and demand. It's easier to be a secretary than the boss; it's easier to be a nurse than a doctor, so there's a greater labor pool for those jobs and thus lower pay. By the way, with the nursing shortage and the bigger role nurses play in clinical settings, I'd love to see an example of a 1st year parking meter repairman or grocery clerk of any sex being paid as much as a 1st year RN in any area.

I agree with politicsmatters: the correct way to address income disparity is to address occupational disparity. Artificially raising female salaries is as wrongheaded as paying women less.

by amiches 2008-04-15 06:46PM | 0 recs
Re: You have rendered me nearly mute!

I can argue both sides of this issue, and as a father of two daughters it is as real to me as to any woman.

I'd be willing to bet that behind all the caveats that I know - and have argued myself - about the types of jobs more predominantly female, socialization tendencies which guide women into certain types of jobs, and intrinsic male/female differences beyond simply socialization - that there nonetheless remain given disparaties between in some cases between two people doing the same job equally well where one is male and the other female.

These are worth rooting out.

But, still.  I work with women who make just as much as their male counterparts - precisely the same.  More than half the real estate agents I know are female, and they make just as much as any man (or, in this market, just as little).  I just have a hard time imagining that the remaining disparities are the kinds of things that legislation will address.

I also have a son.

I would hope that he never is turned down for a better paying job - as I have been - because he is male.

And I think we are at a stage in this issue where either democratic candidate is as likely as the other to do whatever can be done to close any remaining unjust disparaties.  Both have daughters, which for any parent should be more motivation than their own welfare or a same-gender bias.

Seems that most of what remains to be done is societal - parenting and teaching.

I got torn up in the early 90s on Usenet for suggesting such things (for gender and racial issues), but it is one of the messages I hear from the Senator-who-cannot-be-mentioned-in-these -threads that I resonate with.  As a black guy with daughters he is as personally vested as anyone in promoting additional Equality Legislations, but that isn't what I hear from him.  He tends to be saying that we need to be open and honest with the root causes and build solid families and communities.

I like that.  Sounds like sense.

Good on you to promote fairness and if what you are pushing breaks open any remaining real barriers without creating new ones, then I wish you well.

-best

-chris

by chrisblask 2008-04-15 07:04PM | 0 recs
You are completely off base.

Salaries should be based on education required, degree of skill required and level of responsibility for public safety.  
Why do unionized truck drivers make more money than many registered nurses?  

And, by the way, it isn't always easier to be a secretary than the boss.  Secretaries (female) have been propping up incompetent bosses (male) for decades.  Furthermore, if you have only a few jobs that are open to women, as was the case for secretaries, nurses, and teachers, the supply and demand equation doesn't work at all.  Half of the population (female) is confined to only a few job categories while the other half of the population (men) could pick and choose among the rest.

Women are now able to gain access to jobs that were once reserved for men and some of the disparities are working themselves out, but there is still much residual inequity.

by Radiowalla 2008-04-15 08:15PM | 0 recs
Re: You are completely off base.

He doesn't mean easier as in less work, he means easier as in less requirements for the job in terms of education and experience methinks.

by Sychotic1 2008-04-15 09:36PM | 0 recs
Re: You are completely off base.

No. Salaries, like any other price, should be based on supply and demand.

Capitalism sometimes isn't pretty, but it's the best system we've got.  

by amiches 2008-04-16 03:50AM | 0 recs
Re: You are completely off base.


"Salaries should be based on education required, degree of skill required and level of responsibility for public safety.  
Why do unionized truck drivers make more money than many registered nurses? "

Ah.  You want communism.

Sorry, can't agree with that one.

BTW - women drive trucks and men are nurses, too.

Secretary was the job I was told I couldn't have when I had been landscaping for years to pay for college ("we only hire women"), but hey, as a white male I have all the power even when I'm making $5/hour.  I'm sure as a male secretary I would never have been competent to prop up an incompotent female boss...

Hang on, let me go tell my son to lower his expectations for life.

Sorry, you've jumped the shark on this one.

-chris

by chrisblask 2008-04-16 03:51AM | 0 recs
You are ignoring the decades of historical

discrimination that forced women into only a few available categories and the low wages associated with those jobs.  I ought to know because I lived in the era when women were denied admission to law schools and medical schools.  I remember when women were not allowed to be truck drivers and bar tenders or hold jobs requiring the lifting of more than 25 lbs.

The women's movement was all about removing those barriers.   Unfortunately,  there is still residual wage discrimination in the traditionally female jobs and wage inequality in many of the jobs that have recently opened up to women.

As for your own case, if you were told that you couldn't apply for a secretarial job, then you have a case of job discrimination and you should file a complaint.  

My daughter's secretary is a male.  My sister's husband was an RN.  

I don't think I've "jumped the shark," whatever the hell you meant by that.

by Radiowalla 2008-04-16 05:42AM | 0 recs
Re: You are ignoring the decades of historical

"jumped the shark" = gone off the rails (to an extreme).  It's a common current phrase.

I'm not ignoring anything, in fact I am sitting here atm with my 87-year-old step-dad Rev Karl Lutze- who has been a civil rights leader since 1945 - and my mom - in her own way an equal rights advocate for many decades.  We are discussing just these issues and how the situations have evolved over time.

Neither of them feel that we are in a time when additional legislation is the appropriate method for addressing existing inequalities.

Your comments on wages needing to be set by a metric of their social value cannot, imho, be anything but a page out of the communist manifesto.  How could such an idea ever be enacted other than some Government Central Committee arbitrarily dictating what economic value there is to certain sets of skills and mandating the pay for each according to it's kind?

Pardon me if this is, in my own way, shark-jumping, but I have lived in a socialist society for twenty years and I know the difference between that and dictation of wages across private industry.  That's not socialist, it's communist.

-cheers

-chris

by chrisblask 2008-04-16 06:55AM | 0 recs
You misunderstood my comments

I did NOT claim that wages should be legislated according to social value.
I said that there should be metrics for employers to evaluate pay according to a variety of factors which include :

years of education required
level of skill required to do the job
level of independent decision making
level of exposure to hazards
numbers of people supervised... and so forth.

That is not a measure of social utility, just a metric to arrive at a comparable worth scale.  The county I live in considered such a measure years ago in order to rectify wild discrepancies in pay scale (the parking meter repair men were being paid more than intensive care nurses in county facilities).  I supported the measure at the time, but it was not implemented.  

I agree with you and your family that legislation is not required at this point in time.  
.
The comparable worth solution came out of the struggles of the seventies and was discarded.  Now there are other means of arriving at pay equity and the labor market is more open to women so they can vote with their feet.  Nevertheless, there is still a gap in the relative valuation of work that is done by women.  Nurses have upgraded their wages considerably but child care workers have not.  

by Radiowalla 2008-04-16 08:39AM | 0 recs
Re: You misunderstood my comments

"years of education required
level of skill required to do the job
level of independent decision making
level of exposure to hazards
numbers of people supervised... and so forth."

Sorry, I short-handed - perhaps overly so.

I hear what you are saying and I'm glad we are on the same page about legislation, but I'm still at a loss for how you suggest we implement these guidelines above.

In large corporations there are guidelines like these that the organizations try to create to avoid the sorts of disparities that - frankly - cause them risk (at the end of the day I believe the individuals at the tops of these companies aren't typically evil folks, but risk to their companies is the prime motivation).

But how would it be possible to do anything about cross-company much less cross-industry wages?

Are you suggesting a general program of education, or something more enforcable...?

-thanks

-chris

by chrisblask 2008-04-16 04:39PM | 0 recs
My short hand reply

(I'm watching the debate and drinking gin!)

I'm suggesting a metric that would be voluntarily applied by employers, nothing more.  I don't think there should be legislation at this point in time....although I might have sought a more draconian approach a couple of decades ago when the disparities were more egregious.

Cheers.

by Radiowalla 2008-04-16 07:32PM | 0 recs
Re: My short hand reply

Enjoy the gin!

I missed the debate (but, ironically, did have a gin and tonic with Mom, Karl and m'Donna - small world, eh? ;~).  I hear the debate was something of a Republican hatchet job (Stephanopolus??).  Wonder if Carville will get to be a moderator of a Rep. debate someday?

Best of luck with the guidelines.  Wish I could get behind them, but I think I'm too much of a free market capitalist.  I'm actually pretty right-wing these days but I think Obama is good enough to forget ideology and just go for the best leader, so here I am on the left again... :~)

-night!

-chris

by chrisblask 2008-04-16 11:25PM | 0 recs
Re: My Pittman Shorter Hand reply

too bad I can't squiggle some Pittman R curls here, never did get to use that training on a real job.... :~)

by chrisblask 2008-04-16 11:27PM | 0 recs
Re: My Pittman Shorter Hand reply

Hasn't Pittman gone the way of hieroglyphics?

I do like your sig line.  

by Radiowalla 2008-04-17 05:43AM | 0 recs
I'm not going to bash Clinton's efforts

but, will say that the average black family's income is 58 percent of a typical white family's.  Though, obviously Sen. Obama could not run a funds drive based on that racial divide.  I think this sort of id politics is really hurtful to the political system.  Sen. Clinton ought to raise income gap issues, yet raising money off of it?  It just feeds to the perception the race is White Women vs. Blacks.

by CardBoard 2008-04-15 05:50PM | 0 recs
Pay discrimination touches all women

black and white and yellow.

You are bringing up a separate issue which is worthy of its own diary.  

Since half of all humans are female, it is not "identity politics" to be discussing matters of inequity that effect all women, regardless of their nationality and race.

by Radiowalla 2008-04-15 06:42PM | 0 recs
Re: Pay discrimination touches all women

Honestly, if Obama ran a fundraiser similar to this, but involving African-American pay disparity, what do you think the reaction on this site would be?

by amiches 2008-04-15 06:48PM | 0 recs
I would imagine there would be a lot

of interest.

It's a real problem and worthy of discussion.

by Radiowalla 2008-04-15 07:12PM | 0 recs
Re: I would imagine there would be a lot

Okay, maybe you're on a different site than I am. I'm pretty sure it'd be greeted by howls of "the race card".

by amiches 2008-04-16 03:51AM | 0 recs
what the bills do

From your link, I found this summary of what the second bill would do and, frankly, I don't see how it would do much of anything to deal with differences in pay since the main factor for it (as I explain above) is not pay discrimination.

Paycheck Fairness Act - Amends the portion of the Fair Labor Standards Act of 1938 (FLSA) known as the Equal Pay Act to revise remedies for and enforcement of prohibitions against sex discrimination in the payment of wages to: (1) add nonretaliation requirements; (2) increase penalties; and (3) authorize the Secretary of Labor (the Secretary) to seek additional compensatory or punitive damages.

by politicsmatters 2008-04-15 05:51PM | 0 recs
SHOCKED when I read this:

Women's Issue Ratings:

Senator Clinton = 83%

Senator Obama = 100%

http://www.bpwusa.org/

Business and Professional Women/USA, founded in 1919, promotes equity for all women in the workplace through advocacy, education and information. With 1,500 Local Organizations across the country and members in every congressional district, BPW/USA is the leading advocate for millions of workingwomen on work-life balance and workplace equity issues. BPW Local Organizations provide members with professional development programs, networking, participation in grassroots activism, and opportunities to support scholarships for disadvantaged women.

by McTrollop 2008-04-15 06:07PM | 0 recs
Re: SHOCKED when I read this:

I respect HRC on women's issues, but that rating is also good news for Obama.

I am PROUD to have TWO strong DEMS against a weak GOP.

by FOB92 2008-04-15 06:29PM | 0 recs
Re: ACTION: Seventy-seven Cents

ok. the gubmint got most of my money today, but i'm in for $25.77.

by campskunk 2008-04-15 05:52PM | 0 recs
Re: ACTION: Seventy-seven Cents

Where did you think my analysis of the gender wage gap was wrong?

by politicsmatters 2008-04-15 05:53PM | 0 recs
Re: ACTION: Seventy-seven Cents

Why are you getting troll-rated?

by CardBoard 2008-04-15 05:57PM | 0 recs
Re: ACTION: Seventy-seven Cents

I wish I knew.  It seems to me that I was civil and on-topic and I said that pay discrimination is one part of the problem (although nowhere near the main cause). I didn't put down or insult Clinton or her supporters.

by politicsmatters 2008-04-15 05:59PM | 0 recs
Sorry,
I maxed out. But I'm spending two weeks in one of the next states:)
by Pacific John 2008-04-15 06:02PM | 0 recs
Re: ACTION: Seventy-seven Cents

This is a huge problem in the work place.  Hillary is the first person ever who propose a plan to close this pay gap.

by JoeySky18 2008-04-15 06:21PM | 0 recs
Re: ACTION: Seventy-seven Cents

You can't possibly be serious.  There has been legislation pertaining to this issue since 1964.

by politicsmatters 2008-04-15 06:23PM | 0 recs
Re: ACTION: Seventy-seven Cents

And Bush is the "First Catholic President." I think Dana Parino blogs here now.

by Lettuce 2008-04-15 06:38PM | 0 recs
Obama Supporters

The average black family makes 58 cents to every dollar a white family makes.  I suggest we donate either .58 cents... $5.80... or $58... because obviously we want to support the candidate who will best help black people.

by CardBoard 2008-04-15 06:25PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama Supporters

That would be invoking the "race" card, being elitist towards whites, and quite possibly the tipping point in this race that will finally give Hillary the nomination she deserves.

Seriously though, can you imagine the fallout? Even if it came up here, I'm sure Dobbs or O'Reilly would find a way to milk a 5-minutes in the B-block for it.

by Lettuce 2008-04-15 06:40PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama Supporters

exactly my point - why Can Hillary do this with Women?  

by CardBoard 2008-04-15 09:02PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama Supporters

Honestly -- I believe it's because as bad as sexism is (and it is really really REALLY bad) America has not experienced anything like institutional Taliban-style sexism since the 17th century. So while there's great shame and guilt deserved for America's treatment of women, that doesn't stop us from pitting "Boys against Girls" at school and having Sadie Hawkins dances, etc.

But we don't have any "blacks choose the whites" dances, and "blacks versus whites" games (Survivor notwithstanding). Too much remaining hurt, guilt, etc. for that to even be approached.

America's racism and sexism -- and race and gender pride -- are two very different, largely incomperable animals.

by Lettuce 2008-04-16 04:37AM | 0 recs
Re: Obama Supporters

I'm curious where you got that number.  I've never heard it that low.  I just looked at the 2004 General Social Survey data, and the family income for blacks was $37,700, while for whites it was $53,500 (all in 2005 dollars).  That's a ratio of 70%.  Still far from equity, but I'm curious where the 58% came from.

by slynch 2008-04-15 08:29PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama Supporters

It was a MSNBC report last year - http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21759075/ Really I don't think it is a good idea to push $58 dollar donations because "Barack is the best candidate for Blacks" I was just revealing the double standard here.

by CardBoard 2008-04-15 09:05PM | 0 recs
Heh...

When I started working I wore a lapel pin with "59" on it.

Now women are up to 77 cents on the dollar.  I guess that's progress, but I doubt I'll live long enough to see real pay equity.

I sent in another $100 to the Clinton campaign this afternoon.

by Radiowalla 2008-04-15 06:26PM | 0 recs
This was a great diary

until the pie fights erupted.

Now it's entertaining in a different way.

by bjones 2008-04-15 06:43PM | 0 recs
Two Great Candidates!!
Ah yes, the wage gap...an issue near and dear to my heart. My mother was a woman, and we often discussed the topic. I am elated that we have two candidates which speak out so forcefully on the issue!!

Here is Senator Barack Obama on this crucial subject:

"For too many years, not only have women across America been undercompensated for their hard work, they have been undervalued. Women only earn 77 cents to every dollar that a man makes. Equal work deserves the guarantee of equal pay. We must eliminate the legacy of discrimination that continues to face women in the workplace, by ending penalties for women that choose to have both a career and raise a family and by making it easier for women to organize. Setting that standard will strengthen our workforce, raise our productivity, and benefit our economy as a whole."

Thanks for posting this Alegre, you are a true champion for women!
by jwolf 2008-04-15 07:18PM | 0 recs
Re: Two Great Candidates!!

Please take this in the good natured ribbing manner its meant, but....

'your mother was a woman'?  Do tell.

Kind of like the comment I made one time when I was in Alaksa looking up at the mountains coming dorectly out of the sea going sky high and asking my co-wroker 'man, I wonder what altitude were at' (coming from Denver at the time altitude is obviously always a question).

My co-worker gently turns me around to see the sea and goes 'I would guess sea level'.  D'oh!

by pattonbt 2008-04-15 09:00PM | 0 recs
We have a winner!!!

Yes, that was snark.

Good eyes! :)

by jwolf 2008-04-15 09:23PM | 0 recs
Re: ACTION: Seventy-seven Cents

Let us all donate 44.77 to Senator Obama!!!

by Bobby Obama 2008-04-15 07:26PM | 0 recs
44.77 for Obama!

Great Idea!

You know, I am feeling more empowered with every post!

by jwolf 2008-04-15 07:28PM | 0 recs
I'm not a Clinton

supporter but this is the kind of diary that I love. Thanks so much alegre.

While we differ on canidate we are united in the need for true equality and the love of political buttons :)

Reced.

by Populista 2008-04-15 07:39PM | 0 recs
Re: ACTION: Seventy-seven Cents

Soooo... Explain to me why this is okay but Obama using his race in his campaign is not?

by vcalzone 2008-04-15 07:42PM | 0 recs
Re: ACTION: Seventy-seven Cents

Cuz he's OBAMA and she's NOT.

Silly!

Hope that clears things up.

by jwolf 2008-04-15 09:21PM | 0 recs
Re: ACTION: Seventy-seven Cents

"Senate Bill 841 (S. 841) - the Fair Pay Restoration Act was introduced in the Senate by Hillary on April 19, 2005"

I believe, from reading on Thomas, that when a new Congress starts, the bills in the old Congress are considered defunct.  A bill from 2005 was in the 109th Congress.  We are in the 110th Congress.

Alegre, you should remove this from your action list.

by Kiku 2008-04-15 09:01PM | 0 recs
Re: ACTION: Seventy-seven Cents

As a woman, I agree with the principle of the issue.  But, what are the realities of the situation?  How do I compare two people who do different things to determine if their pay is fair?  Perhaps in a sales position, where several people perform the same role?  Or in an assembly line, looking at the ratio of products to mistakes.  But, for lots of companies, most people have unique positions.  

But, how does a law like this work?  Would I have to pay my employees the same rate as another company?  What if I can't afford it?  What if I want to pay more and hire someone better?

I just don't get how this legislation is supposed to work.

I understand the reason for it, and would like to see things change, but I just don't get the idea of legislating this.

by Kiku 2008-04-15 09:12PM | 0 recs
Cardin?

My impression is he is usually right there on progressive issues. Has anyone heard why he hasn't signed onto these?

by Purplepeople 2008-04-16 06:40AM | 0 recs
Re: ACTION: Seventy-seven Cents

I suppose black people earn more than whites.

by wrb 2008-04-16 10:05AM | 0 recs
Re: Worth Fighting For


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kN8-NJg_p e4

I donated again last night.

by Tennessean 2008-04-16 10:37AM | 0 recs

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