Stop posting about past bloggers

I am going to explain something ENOUGH ALREADY. I used to post stuff about Alegre at dailykos. I meant it when I said I came here to mend fences. What you and others are doing will not help only make things worse. Please stop paying attention to stuff like that.

If you look for things that bloggers say then all you are going to be doing is creating more pie fights. The primary season is over.  It is time to move on and focus on the general election.

I have no power to do anything, but only to ask others to listen. Please lets stop posting on bloggers. Focus on other things because right now we have a battle for the White House going on and I want to see Barack Obama as President.

I took a pledge to not post about other bloggers.

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/6 /4/15323/69184/335/529540

Today we are all Dems again and together we bring back focus on the issue. John McCain is the one we are fighting not Hillary Clinton and not her bloggers. We must come together.

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Comments

85 Comments

I agree. Calling out diarists is not acceptable

by slinkerwink 2008-06-12 11:26PM | 0 recs
Re:Calling out diarists is not acceptable

Ok, but we should make an exception for Jerome Armstrong.   We should never let him forget... ever..

by Trey Rentz 2008-06-13 06:27AM | 0 recs
Re:Calling out diarists is not acceptable

Is this snark? Serious question.

by CrazyDrumGuy 2008-06-13 09:17AM | 0 recs
Heartily agreed and recommended

by dbrown04 2008-06-12 11:27PM | 0 recs
Re: Heartily agreed and recommended

OK, I'm on board. I'm putting it behind me. Deep breathing, letting it go.

Question: What about Larry Johnson?

by X Stryker 2008-06-13 07:51AM | 0 recs
Fuck yeah.

by spacemanspiff 2008-06-12 11:28PM | 0 recs
rec'd.

by canadian gal 2008-06-12 11:29PM | 0 recs
Re: Stop posting about past bloggers

Its a testament to her effectiveness as an advocate for Hillary Rodham Clinton.

She moved here from that other site and immediately had an impact in her advocacy for Clinton.

Even though she hasn't blogged here for sometime , there is still a diary about her almost on a daily basis .

Some Obama supporters just can't get enough of her.

The attraction is almost fatal lol.

by lori 2008-06-12 11:29PM | 0 recs
I just look at it this way

For whatever trouble my past actions from the primary season may have caused I will work harder to help Unite us. I can't make up for what has been done, but I can do the right thing by learning from past mistakes.

by AHiddenSaint 2008-06-13 12:00AM | 0 recs
Re: Stop posting about past bloggers

It's actually not unlike the fascination here with DailyKos.

by ProgressiveDL 2008-06-13 04:08AM | 0 recs
Re: Stop posting about past bloggers

All she did was talk to the converted. Predictably she disappears once Hillary is out of the race. She has shown no interest in other MYDD related issues. It's not just about Obama and Hillary on this blog.

by Pravin 2008-06-13 06:10AM | 0 recs
Re: Stop posting about past bloggers

I agree to that..

by hootie4170 2008-06-12 11:31PM | 0 recs
Re: Stop posting about past bloggers
agreed.




[enough already]
by alyssa chaos 2008-06-12 11:32PM | 0 recs
I agree I crossed the line in the other diary

How I can serve penance I don't know...

Thanks AHiddenSaint for getting me back on the handle, I flew way off into loony land when reading the previous diary.  I am going to go remove the rec from it now.

I apologize for my idiotic actions.

by Student Guy 2008-06-12 11:33PM | 0 recs
thank you.

Sometimes we need a little reminder to do what's right.

by slinkerwink 2008-06-12 11:34PM | 0 recs
Indeed we do

I know that I have been that voice to others in the past I am glad someone pulled me out my delusion.

You proved your point with much more class in that diary.

by Student Guy 2008-06-12 11:44PM | 0 recs
Re: Indeed we do

You have more than that to apologize for.

How about serial TR and HR abuse?

You're the worse troll here.

by rankles 2008-06-13 04:20AM | 0 recs
Re: Indeed we do
Pot. Kettle. Black.
by John in Chicago 2008-06-13 06:20AM | 0 recs
Re: Indeed we do

well then who is worser?

by KLRinLA 2008-06-13 08:25AM | 0 recs
If someone

If someone like me can come around to understanding this I know others can as well.

by AHiddenSaint 2008-06-12 11:37PM | 0 recs
The sad thing is

I've been relatively sane during most of primary season, but that diary just brought out the worst in me, I should have known better but I fell victim to my worst angels.

by Student Guy 2008-06-12 11:40PM | 0 recs
Re: The sad thing is

I'm a big fan of your work S.G. but that diary was far from your best moment. Eyes on the prize dude, let's not lose focus on what's really important. Mojo'd for honesty.

by spacemanspiff 2008-06-12 11:46PM | 0 recs
Yeah I am hoping that jdusek

pulls it so I don't have to see it, then again it can remind me of my failings, just like my new sig does.

by Student Guy 2008-06-12 11:51PM | 0 recs
I did a lot of pie fighting at dailykos

That is why I have learned it doesn't help. I came here to try and help others see that. If we are to become united we need to move on past it. I got caught up in a lot of emotion it being my first primary to watch. As said before I'm 27 so it is easy for me to be immature at times. If you keep focusing on bloggers you will never be able to escape what just happen. We have to stop what you just discribed and focus on the real goal beating John McCain.

by AHiddenSaint 2008-06-12 11:50PM | 0 recs
Thank you. Time to move on.

by spunkmeyer 2008-06-12 11:36PM | 0 recs
Re: Stop posting about past bloggers

Thank you for saying what needs to be said.

Unity is a two-way street.  That doesn't change because one candidate won and one didn't.

by hornplayer 2008-06-12 11:42PM | 0 recs
I'm Deleting My Alegre Diary

I apologize if I offended people by posting my diary this evening about Alegre's comments.

Here's what I've learned so far:

1) There are apparently people who have deeper issues with Alegre than I do. I just didn't like what she wrote.

2) Fewer people read Hillary's Bloggers than I thought, so it probably wasn't worth bringing undue attention to Alegre's anti-Democrat diary.

3) My ill-conceived attempt at criticizing bloggers who sow division within the party has led to greater division within this community. Whoops.

For these reasons, I'm going to delete my diary. Anyone having conversations over there better finish them up in the next few minutes.

Again, sorry to those who were offended by what I wrote and/or the comments it provoked.

by jdusek 2008-06-12 11:45PM | 0 recs
Re: I'm Deleting My Alegre Diary

Thanks.  You're doing the right thing.

by hornplayer 2008-06-12 11:53PM | 0 recs
Re: I'm Deleting My Alegre Diary

Done.

A quick post mortem:

1) Sorry to those who were offended.

2) Sorry to those who lost comments.

3) The purpose of the diary was to discuss what Alegre wrote today, not what she does for a living or what kind of car she drives. The RL stuff was out of hand and I did not participate.

4) Thanks to the site admins for recognizing that my diary was only "borderline deleteable" -- I guess that means there was some redeeming value to the point I was trying to make.

5) I'm supporting the Democratic candidate for president. If you're not, I'm going to continue to let you know why I think you're wrong. If you happen to have a blog here or somewhere else, that is not a "get out of jail free card" that prevents me from criticizing things you choose to blog about.

by jdusek 2008-06-13 12:21AM | 0 recs
Thank you

I am much relieved by that as my idiotic comments I made in when I was so far off the handle will only show up in the google cache for it...

by Student Guy 2008-06-12 11:54PM | 0 recs
A little introspection combined with...

...a dose of objectivity from friends is a really good thing!

Excellent move (removing the diary)! Bigtime kudos.

by bobswern 2008-06-13 12:14AM | 0 recs
i saved the page.

your comment and spaceman's comment hit home for me.  my opinion of some people has changed.  and frankly im feeling like it might be time to take a long break from mydd.

by canadian gal 2008-06-13 12:23AM | 0 recs
Re: i saved the page.
awww.


say it aint so.


[dont let a couple of bad apples ruin the bunch]

by alyssa chaos 2008-06-13 12:27AM | 0 recs
Re: i saved the page.

I feel you.  I gotta say, I really do.

Maybe I'm just a glutton for punishment, but, I went out to work on HRC's campaign at the end of May.  So I think I can stick it out with the nasties that have popped up around here lately ;).

Should you choose to do so, you will be sorely missed, certainly by myself as well as others.

by hornplayer 2008-06-13 12:55AM | 0 recs
There are lots of other blogs

from past bloggers where you would likely feel more at home.

by missliberties 2008-06-13 06:06AM | 0 recs
CG, please do not leave!

If you're not around, the sanity level of this place drops significantly. (For real.)

Like a major ice shelf breaking up in a metaphorical kind of way, in terms of its affect on the atmosphere here...sincerely. Personally, I don't know if I could handle this place without the likes of you around.

From the heart, here...

by bobswern 2008-06-13 08:50AM | 0 recs
Re: i saved the page.

Hope you don't leave canada. Your the closest thing to a bud I have around here. Drop by sometime or let me know where you'll be blogging so I can say Hi once in awhile!

by spacemanspiff 2008-06-13 09:25AM | 0 recs
Re: Stop posting about past bloggers

I'll go one further: I won't even post about not posting about other bloggers. I may post about not posting about not posting about other bloggers, though.

Oh, and if we can get a post denouncing my plans to not post about not posting about other bloggers, I'm pretty sure we'd be able to rip a hole in the very fabric of space and time.

by really not a troll 2008-06-12 11:49PM | 0 recs
Re: Stop posting about past bloggers

But I dislike the Democrats more than you dislike the Democrats unless they are my Democrats because they aren't real Democrats until they are my real Democrats doing whatever Democrats are supposed to do.

by bently2 2008-06-13 01:12AM | 0 recs
Re: Stop posting about past bloggers

too...much..recursion

now my head hurts and it Friday!!!!!!!!

:)

by zerosumgame 2008-06-13 07:43AM | 0 recs
I do not encourage it

but I don't think it's off limits.

When the diarist in question posts articles on other sites, they are subject to analysis, discussion, and (yes) scrutiny as would any other article or opinion piece on any other blog or news site.

Unity does not mean that we no longer call bullsh*t by its real name: bullsh*t

by lizardbox 2008-06-13 12:26AM | 0 recs
Exactly......

Let's all be dishrags now so we don't hurt anyone's feelings. In spite of the fact the GOP operatives were posting multiiple dairies here daily, posing as democrats.

It's BS all the way around to not call a spade a spade, or a GOP operative out for  posing as a democrat that IS in Fact Still Blogging.

You can weed out the trolls by how they react.

Taylor Marsh for example is a Democrat and not a republican troll. As for some of the other 'past bloggers' that posted here, not so much.

by missliberties 2008-06-13 06:12AM | 0 recs
But by paying attention you

are giving them a means to effect you. If you just ignore it then we can discuss other important issues. Barack Obama has a site set up to debunk web smears. One can always report it and let them handle it. We have more important issues at hand.

by AHiddenSaint 2008-06-13 09:12AM | 0 recs
agreed

yet, the point I'm making is we let people discuss them if they so please and if they have valid points to make, then let them

On the action front, if you have your own site or blog, link to the Barack smear site. This will help bump it's position in the google search ranking. Basically, the goal is to have the fightthesmears site be #1 on the result list whenever someone searches for Barack and pledge of allegiance, or Obama and flag pins, etc...

by lizardbox 2008-06-13 09:34AM | 0 recs
Roland Martin called out Dem bloggers

on CNN last night.  He pointed out that a lot of the smears against Barack Obama that they were having to deal with were coming from (gasp) certain Democratic bloggers!  In fact, he named a couple, Larry Johnson at NoQuarter being one.  Larry, of course, has been the tip of the spear for the "Whitey" smear.

All this kumbaya is just horseshit if we don't recognize that there are some recalcitrant assholes out there that are more than just mad because their candidate lost.  They are damaging the Democratic nominee's chances for November, and at this point, it's clear, they are doing it on purpose.  "Coming together" and "unity" are all fine and dandy, but let's not pretend everything is reparable, because it's not.

by Dumbo 2008-06-13 01:43AM | 0 recs
Re: Roland Martin called out Dem bloggers

Exactly. I don't give a damn about unity with people pushing racist smears against our nominee. Or with the people who write front page diaries on known hate sites.

People like SoCalDarlin fit into both of the aforementioned categories, while people like alegre fit into the second. I don't want unity with that. It makes far more sense to engage with people who aren't actively trying to undermine our nominee instead of pushing for pseudounity with racists and deadenders.

by Firewall 2008-06-13 01:45AM | 0 recs
Re: Roland Martin called out Dem bloggers

I don't want unity

does seem to be your entire message in all your posts...

by zerosumgame 2008-06-13 07:45AM | 0 recs
Re: Stop posting about past bloggers

Don't post about posting about past bloggers?

Don't post about posting about posting about past blogger?

How about we champion the good bloggers and lay flaming bags of poop at the feet of the bad ones?

by Can I Haz Moar Snark 2008-06-13 02:31AM | 0 recs
Re: Stop posting about past bloggers

... because they most likely have a flaming-bag-of-poop fetish? The race-baiting dead-ender types don't come here to convince people, they come here to distract people. They distract me, but not nearly as much as the odd way that rules violations are dealt with n/t.

Too be honest, I find the presence of trolls falls at about 'really annoying' on my bothersome/intolerable spectrum...

...measured in RDU (rectum-discomfort-units)

by xdem 2008-06-13 06:29AM | 0 recs
Re: Stop posting about past bloggers

Stop talking about ourselves, other blogs, other bloggers? Interesting concept but a tad too puritanical for my tastes.

by My Ob 2008-06-13 03:16AM | 0 recs
I'm not quite sure what you're saying.

Are you asking that we stop mentioning people who aren't here? The bloggers who had 2 and 3 diaries a day during the primaries and have dropped this community like a hot coal now? Haven't been mentioning them. ;-)

by Travis Stark 2008-06-13 04:47AM | 0 recs
Re: Stop posting about past bloggers

Those responsible for the sacking have been sacked.

by Dreorg 2008-06-13 05:36AM | 0 recs
Re: Stop posting about past bloggers

It's hard to focus when diaries like

HUGE! LARRY SINCLAIR TAPE

clutter the view.

by xdem 2008-06-13 05:53AM | 0 recs
Re: Stop posting about past bloggers

What's wrong xdem?  Scared of the TRUUTH?  http://www.co.pueblo.co.us/cgi-bin/webpu rbroker.wsc/mostoff.html?name=135062

by Hill4Life 2008-06-13 05:57AM | 0 recs
Re: Stop posting about past bloggers

What is this link meant to establish?

by politicsmatters 2008-06-13 06:04AM | 0 recs
Re: Stop posting about past bloggers

 You invoked my name! Well, not my 'name' name, but still, I don't think you are supposed to do that.

by xdem 2008-06-13 06:06AM | 0 recs
Posting about past comments

is the same....... all in the name of 'unity'. We must not discuss what you just got done saying.

by missliberties 2008-06-13 06:16AM | 0 recs
Wha...?

Have you guys missed out on the coffee this morning?  That diary was total SNARK!  Go read it.  That link was the same link posted in the Larry Sinclair Sex Tape diary.  

by HardWorkingWhitePerson 2008-06-13 07:42AM | 0 recs
Re: Ha...!

 Gotcha!

by xdem 2008-06-13 08:12AM | 0 recs
OH but that's a present blogger

Who might have been a past blogger, under a different name.

If they use their past blogging name, then we can't discuss them, but under their new blogging name we can call them out as hacks and posers.

Can we talk about Armando, or does that go past the line for the sake of 'unity'.

by missliberties 2008-06-13 06:02AM | 0 recs
Re: OH but that's a present blogger

 I assure you that I, xdem, have never posted at MyDD under any other fake names.

by xdem 2008-06-13 06:10AM | 0 recs
Re: Stop posting about past bloggers

I agree.

However, I do think it's worthwhile to have diaries letting people know about smears and such that are being promoted elsewhere in the blogosphere.  These may involve diaries and posters by people who have diaried and posted here. However, the emphasis should be on what is being said, not on who said it.

by politicsmatters 2008-06-13 05:57AM | 0 recs
Don't post about past bloggers......!!!

That's a bit idiotic when said 'past bloggers' have their own websites and are in fact not past blogging.

 I frankly think these folks should be exposed and embarassed for being the two faced hacks that they are.

 

by missliberties 2008-06-13 05:58AM | 0 recs
Re: Don't post about past bloggers......!!!

Double word.

Trolls, liars, idiots, and hacks should be called out. I'm not smart enough to write a perceptive diary, but I am smart enough to know crap when it's thrown at me. And I won't stop pointing it out.

by Rationalisto 2008-06-13 10:40AM | 0 recs
Past bloggers but current sites

How do we address the current crop of websites by people who are historically good Democrats, but who are urging things like a McCain/Hillary candidacy, trying to unseat John Kerry in Mass, leaving the party, etc.?  And of course some of the really frightening stuff on one particularly noxious site.

Are these sites just arenas for frustrated non-Obama-supporting Democrats who are blowing off steam, and do they really have some effect on who wins the GE?  I have no idea if they need to be ignored or dealt with loudly in some way, but the rage and sadness and ill-will that fills them, I think is bound to spill over into the election in some way.

Unfortunately, the ones I have looked at are either the property of many of the former bloggers on this site who have left, or these guys do a lot of contributing to them.  I agree about calling out people individually, but I also think (and please correct me if this is wrong) that they will have some effect on this election.

by mady 2008-06-13 06:18AM | 0 recs
Re: Past bloggers but current sites

I think it's worth discussing some of the nasty currents at places like noquarter.

It's just like writing about what Rush is saying or what's going on at redstate.

At the same time, I don't think we have to get especially wrought up about all that unless we see it affecting broader discourse and media.  There will always be strange things happening on-line.

by politicsmatters 2008-06-13 06:34AM | 0 recs
Re: Past bloggers but current sites

That's a good point, how isolated this junk stays.  It all makes me so uneasy because I agree with these folks right down the line on the issues, they have always felt like allies on all that, but do not understtand the (what seems like) hatred of Obama.

by mady 2008-06-13 06:41AM | 0 recs
Obama has a site to turn in smears

They are debunking web smears so they are prepaired for it. They know about those sites we do not need to be distracted on pitty issues. If you are worried they aren't aware report the site to the one that Barack Obama debunked. Let them debunk them and then if must post from the website Obama set up. That way you aren't discussing PAST BLOGGERS.

by AHiddenSaint 2008-06-13 09:05AM | 0 recs
Nuts.

Pro-Hillary bloggers and supporters received wholly inappropriate and undeserved shit from pro-Obama bloggers, supporters and esp on DailyKos.  

Your didatic pontification on how we need to get over it, move and get unified is an yet-another indication of this prevalent, dismissive attitude and behavior.

There are always consequences for inappropriate actions an behaviors -- at least, responsible and respectful adults know this all too well, while some of the more juvenile minds can't comprehend beyond their narcissism.

All isn't well, because it wasn't handled well, and it isn't ending well.

Nuts.

by dcrolg 2008-06-13 06:22AM | 0 recs
Re: Nuts.

 Nuts? Your word, not mine.

by xdem 2008-06-13 06:39AM | 0 recs
Before the Primary

we all agreed on one thing that we needed a Democratic President. It didn't matter which dem it was, but we knew in our heart our country was in bad shape. Think back to when we all agreed before the primary even happen. Those feelings are still the same we need a Democratic President. McCain would be bad for our Country. We were all in agreement back then.

by AHiddenSaint 2008-06-13 09:20AM | 0 recs
Re: Nuts.

True. And cutting one's nose to spite one's face also has consequences. Do reflect on those.

Your belief that the attacks were one-sided is beyond absurd.

by Sumo Vita 2008-06-13 10:23AM | 0 recs
Re: Nuts.

Still fighting that fight? You know you're alone in the ring?

Well, have fun.

by Rationalisto 2008-06-13 10:41AM | 0 recs
Re: Stop posting about past bloggers

Here is what we can agree on : A John McCain president would be an absolute disaster.I think about how close (5-4) that Supreme Court decision was yesterday and what a moral disaster the ruling could have been. I don't think you are going to be able to stop our internecine wars by fiat, but if we remember this fact, we will act as one powerful united front despite our past resentments and perhaps some current bickering.  

by KateG 2008-06-13 07:15AM | 0 recs
Re: Stop posting about past bloggers
Today we are all Dems again and together we bring back focus on the issue. John McCain is the one we are fighting not Hillary Clinton and not her bloggers. We must come together.

If this were true there wouldn't be a problem.  The main ones taking shots now are those who can not get over that HRC lost and now support John McCain.  Just like in real life (if to a lesser extent because the passion a site like this engenders) most HRC supporters are rational people who are disappointed but know Obama is a lot more like HRC than McCain.  Its the minority that keep this stuff up (I was going to link but I'll keep it anonymous.   People know who they are.)
by PantsB 2008-06-13 08:33AM | 0 recs
By giving them attention

you give them reasons to keep doing what they are doing. By not paying attention you take away their ability to effect you. Once you move on and stop worrying about it then it doesn't effect like many of them would want it to. You can avoid being distracted by it if you just focus on the main Goal Winning the White House.

by AHiddenSaint 2008-06-13 09:08AM | 0 recs
Really?

Certain diarists were on the rec list every day, sometimes with up to three diaries on there at once.  These were not all lovey dovey positive diaries.

I think it is perfectly valid for people still to be talking about those diarists.  If the community didn't want the diaries to make such a huge and lasting impact on people it shouldn't have recced them every single day regardless of content.

by libertyleft 2008-06-13 10:01AM | 0 recs
I used to post a lot at dailykos in a bad

way that didn't help. I have learned it doesn't help all it does is make things worst. It is easy for honest people to allow emotion to replace reason during those times. A lot is said that might not normally say.

by AHiddenSaint 2008-06-13 10:04AM | 0 recs
Re: I used to post a lot at dailykos in a bad

I think part of the problem is the Internet.   We are all passionate people about politics and if we post from the gut sometimes we say things that aren't quite true or are over the top, but express our true emotional frustration.  You can't see the faces of the people who read your posts. Easy to flame if you can't see someone's reaction to your anger.  Anyway...ita always going to be a part of the process.  There are those moments when you just have to "STEP AWAY FROM THE COMPUTER" before responding and imagine the goal is really to persuade, and not get a pat on the back from those who agree with you anyway.

by KateG 2008-06-13 10:09AM | 0 recs
Re: I used to post a lot at dailykos in a bad

I agree. I was actually better in real life when it came to interacting with people, but the blogsphere life was a different story. My emotions seemed to come up. Sometimes real life frustration of things would allow me to direct emotion in ways I normally wouldn't in real life. That is the bad thing about the blogsphere it is so easy to get lost in emotion that we forget there are people behind that computer not just text.

by AHiddenSaint 2008-06-13 10:14AM | 0 recs
Re: Stop posting about past bloggers

Pledge?  How about Hell to the N-O?

As long as morons like this and this continue to infect the earth, the argument and the battle will continue.  They need to be stopped.

by PD1769 2008-06-13 10:08AM | 0 recs
and what does it honestly do

by paying attention? Does being angry at a site actually help change anything? There are things we can do to help, but directing anger at a site does that really help in the end? What does paying attention to those sites truly change?

by AHiddenSaint 2008-06-13 10:10AM | 0 recs
The Whisper Campaign

anyone can post trash or have a web site, and that person should be called out for misstating the facts.

by missliberties 2008-06-13 11:07AM | 0 recs
yes anyone can

and if we just go focus on all those websites when do we focus on real issues?

by AHiddenSaint 2008-06-13 11:24AM | 0 recs
Obviously the whispers have

become a real issue.

Many folks think Obama is a secret muslim. Where and how do these rumors get started? On blogs, with individual bloggers.

That is why calling them out is wise.

by missliberties 2008-06-13 02:25PM | 0 recs

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