Biodiesel from algae is viable now.

It been a while since I've thrown this info about biodiesel from algae sources in a diary over here.

We have already researched and developed a viable replacement for our energy needs. Biodiesel from algae is a working technology. It grows best in some of the earth's most inhospitalble climates. What prevented it's development was it's production price. It needs a diesel fuel price of about $2 bucks a gallon to make it's production profitable. We've already reached that.

(Info below the fold)

 

Widescale Biodiesel Production from Algae
Michael Briggs, University of New Hampshire, Physics Department

(revised August 2004)

"As more evidence comes out daily of the ties between the leaders of petroleum producing countries and terrorists (not to mention the human rights abuses in their own countries), the incentive for finding an alternative to petroleum rises higher and higher. The environmental problems of petroleum have finally been surpassed by the strategic weakness of being dependent on a fuel that can only be purchased from tyrants.  The economic strain on our country resulting from the $100-150 billion we spend every year buying oil from other nations, combined with the occasional need to use military might to protect and secure oil reserves our economy depends on just makes matters worse (and using military might for that purpose just adds to the anti-American sentiment that gives rise to terrorism).  Clearly, developing alternatives to oil should be one of our nation's highest priorities.

In the United States, oil is primarily used for transportation - roughly two-thirds of all oil use, in fact. So, developing an alternative means of powering our cars, trucks, and buses would go a long way towards weaning us, and the world, off of oil.  While the so-called "hydrogen economy" receives a lot of attention in the media, there are several very serious problems with using hydrogen as an automotive fuel.  For automobiles, the best alternative at present is clearly biodiesel, a fuel that can be used in existing diesel engines with no changes, and is made from vegetable oils or animal fats rather than petroleum.

In this paper, I will first examine the possibilities of producing biodiesel on the scale necessary to replace all petroleum transportation fuels in the U.S.

I. How much biodiesel?

First, we need to understand exactly how much biodiesel would be needed to replace all petroleum transportation fuels. So, we need to start with how much petroleum is currently used for that purpose. Per the Department of Energy's statistics, each year the US consumes roughly 60 billion gallons of petroleum diesel and 120 billion gallons of gasoline. First, we need to realize that spark-ignition engines that run on gasoline are generally about 40% less efficient than diesel engines. So, if all spark-ignition engines are gradually replaced with compression-ignition (Diesel) engines for running biodiesel, we wouldn't need 120 billion gallons of biodiesel to replace that 120 billion gallons of gasoline. To be conservative, we will assume that the average gasoline engine is 35% less efficient, so we'd need 35% less diesel fuel to replace that gasoline. That would work out to 78 billion gallons of diesel fuel. Combine that with the 60 billion gallons of diesel already used, for a total of 138 billion gallons. Now, biodiesel is about 5-8% less energy dense than petroleum diesel, but its greater lubricity and more complete combustion offset that somewhat, leading to an overall fuel efficiency about 2% less than petroleum diesel. So, we'd need about 2% more than that 138 billion gallons, or 140.8 billion gallons of biodiesel. So, this figure is based on vehicles equivalent to those in use today, but with compression-ignition (Diesel) engines running on biodiesel, rather than a mix of petroleum diesel and gasoline. Combined diesel-electric hybrids in wide use, as well as fewer people driving large SUVs when they don't need such a vehicle would of course bring this number down considerably, but for now we'll just stick with this figure. (note - my point here is not to claim that conservation is not worthwhile, rather to strictly look at the issue of replacing our current use of fuel with biodiesel - to see how achievable that is).  I would like to point out though that a preferable scenario would include a shift to diesel-electric hybrid vehicles (preferably with the ability to be recharged and drive purely on electric power for a short range, perhaps 20-40 miles, to provide the option of zero emissions for in-city driving), and with far fewer people buying 6-8,000 pound SUVs merely to commute to work in by themselves.  Those changes could drastically reduce the amount of fuel required for our automotive transportation, and are technologically feasibly currently (see for example Chrysler's Dodge Intrepid ESX3, built under Clinton's PNGV program - a full-size diesel electric hybrid sedan that averaged 72 mpg in mixed driving 6, 7).

One of the biggest advantages of biodiesel compared to many other alternative transportation fuels is that it can be used in existing diesel engines without modification, and can be blended in at any ratio with petroleum diesel. This completely eliminates the "chicken-and-egg" dilemma that other alternatives have, such as hydrogen powered fuel cells. For hydrogen vehicles, even when (and if) vehicle manufacturers eventually have production stage vehicles ready (which currently cost around $1 million each to make), nobody would buy them unless there was already a wide scale hydrogen fuel production and distribution system in place. But, no companies would be interested in building that wide scale hydrogen fuel production and distribution system until a significant number of fuel cell vehicles are on the road, so that consumers are ready to start using it.  With a single hydrogen fuel pump costing roughly $1 million, installing just one at each of the 176,000 fuel stations across the US would cost $176 billion - a cost that can be completely avoided with liquid biofuels that can use our current infrastructure.

With biodiesel, since the same engines can run on conventional petroleum diesel, manufacturers can comfortably produce diesel vehicles before biodiesel is available on a wide scale - as some manufacturers already are (the same can be said for flex-fuel vehicles capable of running on ethanol, gasoline, or any blend of the two). As biodiesel production continues to ramp up, it can go into the same fuel distribution infrastructure, just replacing petroleum diesel either wholly (as B100, or 100% biodiesel), or blended in with diesel.  Not only does this eliminate the chicken-and-egg problem, making biodiesel a much more feasible alternative than hydrogen, but also eliminates the huge cost of revamping the nationwide fuel distribution infrastructure.

II. Large scale production

There are two steps that would need to be taken for producing biodiesel on a large scale - growing the feedstocks, and processing them into biodiesel. The main issue that is often contested is whether or not we would be able to grow enough crops to provide the vegetable oil (feedstock) for producing the amount of biodiesel that would be required to completely replace petroleum as a transportation fuel. So, that is the main issue that will be addressed here.  The point of this article is not to argue that this approach is the only one that makes sense, or that we should ignore other options (there are some other very appealing options as well, and realistically it makes more sense for a combination of options to be used).  Rather, the point is merely to look at one option for producing biodiesel, and see if it would be capable of meeting our needs.

One of the important concerns about wide-scale development of biodiesel is if it would displace croplands currently used for food crops.  In the US, roughly 450 million acres of land is used for growing crops, with the majority of that actually being used for producing animal feed for the meat industry.  Another 580 million acres is used for grassland pasture and range, according to the USDA's Economic Research Service.  This accounts for nearly half of the 2.3 billion acres within the US (only 3% of which, or 66 million acres, is categorized as urban land).  For any biofuel to succeed at replacing a large quantity of petroleum, the yield of fuel per acre needs to be as high as possible.  At heart, biofuels are a form of solar energy, as plants use photosynthesis to convert solar energy into chemical energy stored in the form of oils, carbohydrates, proteins, etc..  The more efficient a particular plant is at converting that solar energy into chemical energy, the better it is from a biofuels perspective.  Among the most photosynthetically efficient plants are various types of algaes.

The Office of Fuels Development, a division of the Department of Energy, funded a program from 1978 through 1996 under the National Renewable Energy Laboratory known as the "Aquatic Species Program". The focus of this program was to investigate high-oil algaes that could be grown specifically for the purpose of wide scale biodiesel production1. The research began as a project looking into using quick-growing algae to sequester carbon in CO2 emissions from coal power plants.  Noticing that some algae have very high oil content, the project shifted its focus to growing algae for another purpose - producing biodiesel.  Some species of algae are ideally suited to biodiesel production due to their high oil content (some well over 50% oil), and extremely fast growth rates. From the results of the Aquatic Species Program2, algae farms would let us supply enough biodiesel to completely replace petroleum as a transportation fuel in the US (as well as its other main use - home heating oil) - but we first have to solve a few of the problems they encountered along the way.  

NREL's research focused on the development of algae farms in desert regions, using shallow saltwater pools for growing the algae.  Using saltwater eliminates the need for desalination, but could lead to problems as far as salt build-up in bonds.  Building the ponds in deserts also leads to problems of high evaporation rates.  There are solutions to these problems, but for the purpose of this paper, we will focus instead on the potential such ponds can promise, ignoring for the moment the methods of addressing the solvable challenges remaining when the Aquatic Species Program at NREL ended.

NREL's research showed that one quad (7.5 billion gallons) of biodiesel could be produced from 200,000 hectares of desert land (200,000 hectares is equivalent to 780 square miles, roughly 500,000 acres), if the remaining challenges are solved (as they will be, with several research groups and companies working towards it, including ours at UNH). In the previous section, we found that to replace all transportation fuels in the US, we would need 140.8 billion gallons of biodiesel, or roughly 19 quads (one quad is roughly 7.5 billion gallons of biodiesel). To produce that amount would require a land mass of almost 15,000 square miles. To put that in perspective, consider that the Sonora desert in the southwestern US comprises 120,000 square miles. Enough biodiesel to replace all petroleum transportation fuels could be grown in 15,000 square miles, or roughly 12.5 percent of the area of the Sonora desert (note for clarification - I am not advocating putting 15,000 square miles of algae ponds in the Sonora desert. This hypothetical example is used strictly for the purpose of showing the scale of land required).  That 15,000 square miles works out to roughly 9.5 million acres - far less than the 450 million acres currently used for crop farming in the US, and the over 500 million acres used as grazing land for farm animals.  

The algae farms would not all need to be built in the same location, of course (and should not for a variety of reasons). The case mentioned above of building it all in the Sonora desert is purely a hypothetical example to illustrate the amount of land required.  It would be preferable to spread the algae production around the country, to lessen the cost and energy used in transporting the feedstocks. Algae farms could also be constructed to use waste streams (either human waste or animal waste from animal farms) as a food source, which would provide a beautiful way of spreading algae production around the country.  Nutrients can also be extracted from the algae for the production of a fertilizer high in nitrogen and phosphorous. By using waste streams (agricultural, farm animal waste, and human sewage) as the nutrient source, these farms essentially also provide a means of recycling nutrients from fertilizer to food to waste and back to fertilizer.  Extracting the nutrients from algae provides a far safer and cleaner method of doing this than spreading manure or wastewater treatment plant "bio-solids" on farmland.

These projected yields of course depend on a variety of factors, sunlight levels in particular. The yield in North Dakota, for example, wouldn't be as good as the yield in California.  Spreading the algae production around the country would result in more land being required than the projected 9.5 million acres, but the benefits from distributed production would outweigh the larger land requirement.  

III. Cost

In "The Controlled Eutrophication process: Using Microalgae for CO2 Utilization and Agircultural Fertilizer Recycling"3, the authors estimated a cost per hectare of $40,000 for algal ponds. In their model, the algal ponds would be built around the Salton Sea (in the Sonora desert) feeding off of the agircultural waste streams that normally pollute the Salton Sea with over 10,000 tons of nitrogen and phosphate fertilizers each year. The estimate is based on fairly large ponds, 8 hectares in size each. To be conservative (since their estimate is fairly optimistic), we'll arbitrarily increase the cost per hectare by 100% as a margin of safety. That brings the cost per hectare to $80,000. Ponds equivalent to their design could be built around the country, using wastewater streams (human, animal, and agricultural) as feed sources. We found that at NREL's yield rates, 15,000 square miles (3.85 million hectares) of algae ponds would be needed to replace all petroleum transportation fuels with biodiesel. At the cost of $80,000 per hectare, that would work out to roughly $308 billion to build the farms.

The operating costs (including power consumption, labor, chemicals, and fixed capital costs (taxes, maintenance, insurance, depreciation, and return on investment) worked out to $12,000 per hectare. That would equate to $46.2 billion per year for all the algae farms, to yield all the oil feedstock necessary for the entire country. Compare that to the $100-150 billion the US spends each year just on purchasing crude oil from foreign countries, with all of that money leaving the US economy.  

These costs are based on the design used by NREL - the simple open-top raceway pond.  Various approaches being examined by the research groups focusing on algae biodiesel range from being the same general system, to far more complicated systems.  As a result, this cost analysis is very much just a general approximation.  Some systems could be considerably more expensive, but could also see considerably higher yields, resulting in less land being required.  How exactly the economics play out will hopefully be decided over the next few years as some of these groups research algal biodiesel bring their systems to commercialization status.  

IV. Other issues

To make biodiesel, you need not only the vegetable oil, but an alcohol as well (either ethanol or methanol). The alcohol only constitutes about 10% of the volume of the biodiesel. Among the most land-efficient and energy-efficient methods of producing alcohol is from hydrolysis and fermentation of plant cellulose.  In the early days of the automobile, most vehicles ran on biofuels, with Henry Ford himself being a big advocate of alcohol produced from industrial hemp (not to be confused with marijuana). The Department of Energy's "Mustard Project" has focused on the prospect of growing mustard for the dual purposes of biodiesel and organic pesticide production. Their process focused on alternating mustard crops with wheat. One nice effect of this is that the biomass from the mustard (after harvesting the seed ) could be used as the cellulose feedstock for producing alcohol for biodiesel production...."

http://www.unh.edu/p2/biodiesel/article_alge.html

Huge 302 page report in pdf form discussing Department of Energy biodiesel research from '92-'97, including an overview of all the biodiesel from microalgae research

http://www.eere.energy.gov/biomass/pdfs/biodiesel_92-97.pdf

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25 Comments

How do we kill brown people for it?
My understanding is that most of the algae is international waters.

There could be huge implications with a market full of unregulated algae!  Piracy on the open seas.  Unlicensed algae growers.  Wet clumps of oregano.  

Plus, you know, there's all that algae in the Bermuda Triangle.  You gonna go to the BERMUDA TRIANGLE AND DISAPPEAR FOR ALGAE!!!!

I didn't think so, you hippie Islamofascist commie queer-lover.

Don't ya see?!  Ah.  It's just easier to bomb brown people and take their shit from them.  

Your corporate masters are better than you.  If you were better, you would be them.  

And stop fooling yourself that capitalism lets you build a better mouse trap.  We patented that years ago, and minor tweaks allow us to maintain it in a virtually unlimited way until we fold from bad accounting.  It is called a cat, and we can genetically engineer a good one for ya for only $49,999.99!  Don't waste your money on those after-market low-grade cats that can barely chase a string if you hold it for them!  Buy our OptiCat 3000.

And our oil.  Lots of that too.  

Geez.  Stupid hippies.

by jcjcjc 2005-03-21 09:02AM | 0 recs
Why can't you take this seriously?
This works. It's proven.

Instead of making yourself look like an idiot for making fun of something you have obviously done no reading on, take 10 minutes to actually read the damn report.

This is a technology that works. Why not make yourself look smart for being one of the first to trumpet an actual solution, instead of a dumbass for making fun of a working solution for this nation's energy problems?

by afs 2005-03-21 09:13AM | 0 recs
Can't anyone take a joke?!
It is a joke.  Doesn't it sound like a joke?!

Or should I have opened with "A priest, a rabbi, and a minister walk into a ar . . ."?

I just figured we'd cover the right-wing's take.  Geez.  Pretty uptight for a hippie.

by jcjcjc 2005-03-21 09:21AM | 0 recs
Because liberals treat what's not in M$M as a joke
That's the problem in a nutshell. Even us liberals treat real working solutions like a joke if Peter Jennings isn't on our television sets telling us it's the answer.

If the M$M doesn't tell you it's the truth, even the liberals don't believe it. This research couldn't come from a less controversial source. The US Government. But even you won't believe the research is true until the M$M tells you it true.

by afs 2005-03-21 09:30AM | 0 recs
Re: Because liberals treat
Bro, Relax.  He doesn't dislike the idea.  It was a funny little paragraph.  
by yitbos96bb 2005-03-21 11:09AM | 0 recs
Re: Because liberals treat
I'm trying to point out that we have a serious, viable technology that can be pulled off the shelf an used today to solve a whole, whole lot of problems in this country. Turning the whole thread into a joke thread doesn't help the effort of getting anyone this information seriously.

I'm not saying that that his response was wrong. I'm saying that though the jokes might have had all the best intentions, it wasn't helpful.

Do you understand what I mean? If you are trying to get a stack of scientific reports taken seriously, turning the whole thread into a stand-up routine isn't being helpful.

Sorry to repeat the response so many times, but you repeated the challenge that often, and the same response applies to all.

by afs 2005-03-21 11:24AM | 0 recs
The fact is
that we have plenty of alternatives to fossil fuel dependency, and none of them are taken seriously. The reasoning is that no single alternative can completely cure our oil dependency. Another alternative isn't going to change that fact -- getting the oilygarchy out of power is a prerequisite to getting us off the oil.
by catastrophile 2005-03-21 03:27PM | 0 recs
Re: Because liberals treat what's
Never once did he say it wasn't true.
by yitbos96bb 2005-03-21 11:10AM | 0 recs
Re: Because liberals treat what's
I'm trying to point out that we have a serious, viable technology that can be pulled off the shelf an used today to solve a whole, whole lot of problems in this country. Turning the whole thread into a joke thread doesn't help the effort of getting anyone this information seriously.

I'm not saying that that his response was wrong. I'm saying that though the jokes might have had all the best intentions, it wasn't helpful.

Do you understand what I mean? If you are trying to get a stack of scientific reports taken seriously, turning the whole thread into a stand-up routine isn't being helpful.

by afs 2005-03-21 11:21AM | 0 recs
Re: Because liberals treat what's
" turning the whole thread into a stand-up routine isn't being helpful"

Look.  The GOPers say things like that.  It was a joke.  And, seriously, Democrats are type-cast as folks who can't take a joke.  It doesn't help if you can't take a joke.

I don't think you'll have a hard time selling alternative energy in the Democratic party.

On the other hand, what I said isn't far off from the laundry list the right-wing will say.

And, yes, I felt like framing that as a joke, rather than saying: "Oh, here's what they'll say."

by jcjcjc 2005-03-21 05:10PM | 0 recs
Re: Why can't you take this seriously?
You really come off like an ass with this post.  I can actually see some Theocons making the argument that JCJCJC did.  Until he says it doesn't work, don't jump down his throat.  Your response makes me not want to take you seriously.
by yitbos96bb 2005-03-21 11:13AM | 0 recs
Re: Why can't you take this seriously?
I'm trying to point out that we have a serious, viable technology that can be pulled off the shelf an used today to solve a whole, whole lot of problems in this country. Turning the whole thread into a joke thread doesn't help the effort of getting anyone this information seriously.

I'm not saying that that his response was wrong. I'm saying that though the jokes might have had all the best intentions, it wasn't helpful.

Do you understand what I mean? If you are trying to get a stack of scientific reports taken seriously, turning the whole thread into a stand-up routine isn't being helpful.

by afs 2005-03-21 11:22AM | 0 recs
Re: How do we kill brown people for it?
ROTFLMAO!!!
by yitbos96bb 2005-03-21 11:12AM | 0 recs
Re: How do we kill brown people for it?
I'm trying to point out that we have a serious, viable technology that can be pulled off the shelf an used today to solve a whole, whole lot of problems in this country. Turning the whole thread into a joke thread doesn't help the effort of getting anyone this information seriously.

I'm not saying that that his response was wrong. I'm saying that though the jokes might have had all the best intentions, it wasn't helpful.

Do you understand what I mean? If you are trying to get a stack of scientific reports taken seriously, turning the whole thread into a stand-up routine isn't being helpful.

Sorry to repeat the response so many times, but you repeated the exact same challenge that often, and the same response applies to all.

by afs 2005-03-21 11:27AM | 0 recs
Waste product issue solved, too?
The NREL study, IIRC, left off with some unresolved waste product issues. Have they been solved, too?

Here in CO, there's a company, Blue Sun Energy (www.gobluesun.com) that's paying farmers to grow canola and mustard opposite their wheat crop. The farmers win with a crop rotation and extra income, and we have locally produced clean energy. Combined with news like emerging technology from U of Toronto (Biox process), biodiesel is looking to be the immediately available fuel of the future.

It's clean, efficient (current biodiesel returns 3.2 units of energy for ever 1 required for processing - much better than ethanol at 0.85:1), and it works in modern diesel engines; if used in a 20% mix (B20), it works almost exactly like Diesel-1, but with lower pollution and less smell. If we were to add in diesel hybrids, we could make significant inroads into our current energy problems.

by Phoenix Rising 2005-03-21 11:41AM | 0 recs
Re: Waste product issue solved, too?
By-products from the biodiesel from algae process can be used as fertilizer. There is almost no waste left over after that. The biodiesel from algae process is even more efficient than the "crop" biodiesal process.
by afs 2005-03-21 12:07PM | 0 recs
Thank You

Thank you for your very detailed description of this technology. I wrote a diary a few weeks ago on Thermal Depolymerization, a different but equally promising technology. I had never heard of it before and was stunned by the potential. As important and far-reaching as the energy issue is, I'm mystified why the blogosphere doesn't take it more seriously and give it a higher profile. Perhaps the power of the existing energy conglomerates is perceived as too great to overcome with rational dialogue. Unfortunately, I think it's going to have to wait either for a more Progressive administration or $100/barrel oil.

by ProgressiveChristian 2005-03-21 12:07PM | 0 recs
When you read the research, it stops you cold
There's a few of these really promising energy technology processes. This biodiesal from algae process is the one that stuck in my craw. When you realize we can grow diesel fuel on such garden spots as Death Valley and the Salton Sea, and we only need to add salt water and our own... well... um... sewage to grow it... why we aren't well into the implimentation phase is beyond me. This process has essentially had the research complete for almost a decade, and it's sitting on the shelf waiting to be used.

I mean... technically, even if the oil companies want to continue to hold a stranglehold on energy markets, the oil companies could be the ones implimenting this technology.

by afs 2005-03-21 12:25PM | 0 recs
Re: When you read the research, it stops you cold

The problem is that these are disruptive technologies that require radical changes in tried-and-true technology and business models. Corporations only respond to profit. Corporate leaders have a fiduciary responsibility to their stockhoders (and their own stock options) to maximize returns on investment - which they're getting with $50-something/barrel oil. The structure of the modern corporation says moral and national-security issues take a backseat to profit, so there's no incentive to change and every incentive to fight change by any means necessary.

And that assumes that those folks aren't inherently evil :+(

by ProgressiveChristian 2005-03-21 12:37PM | 0 recs
Biodiesel from algae isn't very disruptive
The oil companies could be the ones who build the brine ponds for growing the algae and refine the fuel. The oil companies could use the exact same delivery mechanism to deliver it to consumers. All that is required for biodiesel to run in current diesel vehicles is a changes of a few filters. A couple of hundred bucks in modifications. Passenger cars could do a fleet turnover in the same way that regular gas was switched to unleaded. There's already diesel passenger cars out there. There just needs to be more. 10-15 years and you have a complete passenger car fleet turnover at the same time you ramp up the biodiesel production.

Biodiesel is estimated to be profitable at $2 a gallon. We've hit that and passed it.

by afs 2005-03-21 01:00PM | 0 recs
Re: Biodiesel from algae isn't very disruptive

Biodiesel and renewable fuels in general are very disruptive from a BUSINESS standpoint. The existing energy companies are built around selling a relatively rare and finite resource that they completely control - fossil and nuclear fuel. From a BUSINESS viewpoint, it is more profitable to be selling an increasingly costly product that you have exclusive control over rather than one that will steadily decrease in cost (with technological improvements) and which can be created by anyone with access to capital.

I'm NOT making a point that biodiesel or other synfuels are not technically viable or that they don't have the potential to be available on a large scale in a matter of a few years. I'm making the point that the existing energy companies have no incentive to move to renewables AND they have a vested interest in using their considerable resources and political power to make sure that renewables do not become readily available.

There are only four endgames that I can see...

1) Federal regulation and investment that promotes renewables and provides disincentives to continued use of fossil fuels - and this ain't happening in the next 1,400 days.

2) We exhaust oil supplies to the point where oil companies have to diversify for their own survival. This won't happen for another 10 - 30 years, depending on what happens to demand in Asia.

3) Energy prices rise to the point where the effects on the economy create political pressure that forces #1

4) Global warming causes such serious social and economic disruption worldwide that the government is forced into #1, assuming there is no WWIII and/or Jesus doesn't come back. And as much as I'd like to meet Jesus, I'm not hoping for this one.

IMHO

by ProgressiveChristian 2005-03-21 02:07PM | 0 recs
Well, there's no structural disruptions
A changing in thinking can be the greatest barrier of all, though. I think most people have figured that out here.
by afs 2005-03-21 02:48PM | 0 recs
Re: Well, there's no structural disruptions

I think we can both agree that the fundamental obstacles aren't technical, they're political and corporate. I will have no problem changing my thinking if you can propose a practical stragegic plan for overcoming those obstacles that includes concrete steps that you and I can take to make it happen. Do that and generations of future Americans will thank you.

Oil is evil stuff, my friend. It soils everything it touches.

by ProgressiveChristian 2005-03-21 06:41PM | 0 recs
Practical plan? Look where research center is!
University of NEW HAMPSHIRE. It ain't real tough getting important people to make visits to New Hampshire, is it?
by afs 2005-03-21 07:38PM | 0 recs
Re: When you read the research, it stops you cold
It is disruptive - that is why something like this will happen. Question is 'when'... if Peak Oil is really upon us it will happen sooner than we think.

Love those disruptive technologies... I'm a Schumpeter junkie.

by dryfly 2005-03-22 07:40AM | 0 recs

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