Obama - Deep S**t.. Pastor gate...More info

by 2008democrat, Sun Mar 16, 2008 at 09:13:07 PM EDT

Every one, here is the link to the famous

NEWS MAX Story

Obama present during during hate america sermon

http://newsmax.com/kessler/Obama_hate_Am erica_sermon/2008/03/16/80870.html

Other interesting points

Oprah quit the church but Obama not...

Obama's most famous celebrity backer, Oprah Winfrey began attending Wright's church in 1984. Last year, Newsmax magazine reported that Winfrey abruptly stopped attending years ago, and suggested that she did so to distance herself from Wright's inflammatory rhetoric. She soon found herself a target of Wright, who excoriated her for having broken with "traditional faith."

This is more Interesting...

Having considered Wright a friend and mentor for two decades, Obama now often mentions that his pastor recently retired. Wright suggested to the New York Times last year that he and Obama might have to do something of a distancing act in the run up to the election.

"If Barack gets past the primary, he might have to publicly distance himself from me," Wright was quoted by The New York Times. "I said it to Barack personally, and he said, `Yeah, that might have to happen.'"

Politics of change I guess....

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yeah

thanks for quoting newsmax.

by kindthoughts 2008-03-16 09:15PM | 0 recs

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Re: yeah

That's just foolish.

All week the question has been: "Did Obama lie, when he said that he did not hear these things when he was in church?"

So, now the answer seems to be: Yes.

Indeed, via NewsMax.

Is it true? That's the question. Not who broke the story.

by MediaFreeze 2008-03-16 09:19PM | 0 recs

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Re: yeah

The point is that you can't trust Newsmax. These right-wing sites make up crap all the time.

by Steve M 2008-03-16 09:21PM | 0 recs

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Re: yeah

Agreed. But the point is. Was he there or not. It is not a Newsmax issue. It is a fact issue.

by MediaFreeze 2008-03-16 09:25PM | 0 recs

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Re: yeah

I think another question is what exactly was the 'hate' in question?

by Brillobreaks 2008-03-16 09:29PM | 0 recs

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Re: yeah

Not exactly.

Obama has said that he was not in the pews for any of Writght's inflammatory sermons. He stated this without qualification.

So, if it turns out that he was there, he is a liar.

He was a liar about Goolsbee's talk with the Canadians. This would be another instance where he chose a quick lie that could later be proven false. That is a very bad characteristic. Someone so glib with the truth that they get tripped up a few days later. That's what we are dealing with here...

by MediaFreeze 2008-03-16 09:40PM | 0 recs

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no he was not there

He was in Miami, ya dumbass

by kindthoughts 2008-03-16 09:46PM | 0 recs

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Re: no he was not there

You sure?

by MediaFreeze 2008-03-16 09:48PM | 0 recs

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Are you sure he was

at this sermon?

Because you are relying for newsmax on evidence.

by kindthoughts 2008-03-16 10:01PM | 0 recs

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Re: Are you sure he was

Like I said, we will see. This may be bogus. The media will continue to search. Obama made a big mistake when he said that he had never heard Wright say anything like those comments. People wonder how that can be true and if that is not true, it will be smoked out.

by MediaFreeze 2008-03-16 10:18PM | 0 recs

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Re: no he was not there

personal insults arent tolerated here kossack

by John Wesley Hardin was a Friend to the Poor 2008-03-16 10:20PM | 0 recs

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they are not?

because I've been insulted a number of times without provocation before.

by kindthoughts 2008-03-16 10:32PM | 0 recs

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Re: no he was not there

For someone who goes by the name "kindthoughts", your name calling seems rather harsh.

by itsthemedia 2008-03-17 01:08AM | 0 recs

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Re: yeah

That wasn't the question I was asking. I meant what were the horrible hateful comments made by Wright at this sermon?

And now that I read them, I can see why the rightwing nutjobs over at Newsmax might think they were hateful, but personally I agree with them. Most Democrats and progressives do. Don't you?

Oh, and Obama said "The statements that Rev. Wright made that are the cause of this controversy were not statements I personally heard him preach while I sat in the pews of Trinity or heard him utter in private conversation." There are all kinds of qualifiers there.

by Brillobreaks 2008-03-16 09:46PM | 0 recs

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Oh yes. I do. But then why is Obama "throwing him under the bus." It is a tough one. Truth is, he was made by the media. They puffed him up, infused all their ideals into him, and sold him to America. Now someting comes along that calls for reason and intelligence, but he's already made his deal with the devil. Since he's got no real character except the media superman "hope and change" nonsense, he's got no choice but to throw his long time mentor "under the bus." It's sad, but it is the way it will go from here on out. If they make you they can break you.

by MediaFreeze 2008-03-16 09:56PM | 0 recs

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Re: yeah

He isn't throwing him under the bus, and the Rev. made that quite clear. He understand why Obama had to distance himself from him.

And Obama was not a media creation. He's been his own man his whole life. There's a consistency in his beliefs, politics, character, and practice that whole time that makes those kind of 'empty suit' smears absolutely pathetic. Obama was talking about those things and doing them since long before the MSM had any idea he existed.

by Brillobreaks 2008-03-16 10:04PM | 0 recs

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Re: yeah

Just wait. You think Chris Matthews is your friend. Just wait.

by MediaFreeze 2008-03-16 10:12PM | 0 recs

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Why exactly

did Hillary threw Ferraro, a friend of more the twenty years after the bus.

Because of idiots like you, who say that anything that people who are associated with candidate says is actually what the candidate says.

by kindthoughts 2008-03-16 10:04PM | 0 recs

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Re: Why exactly

Hillary threw Ferraro, a friend of more the twenty years after the bus.

In an instant.

This is for the presidency of the United States, not school government. These people will do anything, reject and denounce anyone, in order to win. Obama's problem is that he is a blank slate upon which they can write any narrative they want and force him to denounce and reject it. Just watch how twisted this all gets.

by MediaFreeze 2008-03-16 10:16PM | 0 recs

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so basically

you are telling me that I have to pick a soulless leader because I pick a one with a soul, that soul will be sucked out.

I'll take my chances.

by kindthoughts 2008-03-16 10:31PM | 0 recs

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Re: yeah

He was in no way a liar about Goolsbee's conversations with the Canadians. Go look at FactCheck, anyone who doesn't already know that.

Everything Obama and his campaign said about the meetings and conversations are true. The original allegations, and more importantly the thrust of them, were entirely false.

by Texas Gray Wolf 2008-03-16 10:19PM | 0 recs

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Re: yeah

So what if he was.

"Addressing the Iraq war, Wright thundered, "Young African-American men" were "dying for nothing." The "illegal war," he shouted, was "based on Bush's lies" and is being "fought for oil money.""

What part of this do you disagree with?

by Newcomer 2008-03-16 09:37PM | 0 recs

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You asking me? I don't disagree with any of it. I've become a big Wright fan. Hiroshima, US to blame for 9/11? I don't disagree with any of it. But, it seems that Senator Obama is moving in the other direction. This is, and has been, Obama's big problem. How do you placate the media monster that made you when they arrive at your door hungry and looking for fresh meat. In this case, I don't think they like the idea that Obama may--in his heart--blame America for 9/11? No matter how true it is...

by MediaFreeze 2008-03-16 09:46PM | 0 recs

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Please go read some more newsmax. n/t

by kindthoughts 2008-03-16 09:49PM | 0 recs

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Re: Please go read some more newsmax. n/t

Never read any Newsmax.

Let's see what tomorrow brings. Facts are really a problem for someone so loose with truth as it seems Senator Obama has been.

by MediaFreeze 2008-03-16 09:58PM | 0 recs

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Re: yeah

US CREATED HIV TO MURDER BLACKS?

FDR KILLED THOUSANDS OF AMERICAN BOYS AT PEARL HARBOR ON PURPOSE?

by John Wesley Hardin was a Friend to the Poor 2008-03-16 10:24PM | 0 recs

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Re: yeah

Well, if there were any evidence he was there other than a Newsmax story... then yeah, I might be inclined to agree that it's not a Newsmax issue! :)

by Steve M 2008-03-16 09:40PM | 0 recs

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Re: yeah

We will see. Maybe it is just bull. Tomorrow will certainly tell. This one is just too big.

by MediaFreeze 2008-03-16 09:59PM | 0 recs

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Re: yeah

Here's an interesting Newsmax article on Hillary:
http://web.archive.org/web/2001061109053 6/http://www.newsmax.com/showinside.shtm l?a=2001/5/26/73332

"Those who have followed her sleazy career, oversized ego, and the utter contempt she displays toward average Americans probably would expect as much from Slick Hilly.

But who would have guessed that even she would disrespect and dishonor these women who lost their sons to the cause of freedom in service to the nation, the very same souls whose heroism and sacred memory we honor on Memorial Day?"

by davisb 2008-03-16 09:22PM | 0 recs

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Its not foolish

Go read news max archives. They make up all kinds of crap.

by kindthoughts 2008-03-16 09:28PM | 0 recs

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Here read some newsmax articles about Hillary

http://www.google.com/custom?domains=New sMax.com&client=pub-2932230807573228 &forid=1&ie=ISO-8859-1&oe=IS O-8859-1&safe=active&cof=GALT%3A %23008000%3BGL%3A1%3BDIV%3A%23336699%3BV LC%3A663399%3BAH%3Acenter%3BBGC%3AFFFFFF %3BLBGC%3A336699%3BALC%3A0000FF%3BLC%3A0 000FF%3BT%3A000000%3BGFNT%3A0000FF%3BGIM P%3A0000FF%3BLH%3A70%3BLW%3A297%3BL%3Aht tp%3A%2F%2F www.newsmax.com%2Fimages%2Fho me%2Fa-logo.gif%3BS%3Ahttp%3A%2F%2Fwww.n ewsmax.com%2F%3BLP%3A1%3BFORID%3A1%3B&am p;hl=en&sitesearch=Newsmax.com&q =Sen.+Hillary+Clinton

Here is a nice one:

Can America risk having a president [Hillary] with mood swings with her finger on the nuclear button?

http://www.newsmax.com/lowell_ponte/hill ary_clinton_faces/2008/02/26/75613.html

You have truly become right wing quoters. Any noise no matter if its true or false, confirmable or not confirmable you quote to ATTACK Obama.

I, an Obama supporter, came here from DailyKos to see perspective from the Hillary supporters, just too see if there something I am missing.

And believe me when I say this: A lot of you are just as bad as many Obama supporters that you claim are thugs.

At least on dailykos, sometimes we get inspirational diaries. Here, the rec list rifhr now, has only Obama hit pieces.

You folks really need to go look in the mirror.

by kindthoughts 2008-03-16 09:35PM | 0 recs

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Re: Here read some newsmax articles about Hillary

Did you miss Universal linking to the white supremacist site in one of her recent diaries? That was the point at which I knew this site was pretty much gone till at least after the election. I'm gonna stick around and watch it fall further and further into the pit though. It's just too fascinating to stop watching.

by Brillobreaks 2008-03-16 09:41PM | 0 recs

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oh no I saw that

and commented about. Universal freaking linked VDARE. A hateful hateful site.

MyDD has turned completely batty.

by kindthoughts 2008-03-16 09:44PM | 0 recs

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I can not wait until somebody linkes

Stormfront.

by kindthoughts 2008-03-16 09:47PM | 0 recs

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Re: I can not wait until somebody linkes

Odds on whether re-posting a Stormfront attack on Obama would actually raise any eyebrows here these days? Additional odds on whether it would get recced?

by Brillobreaks 2008-03-16 09:53PM | 0 recs

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erm....

not sure what to bet.

by kindthoughts 2008-03-16 10:01PM | 0 recs

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MediaFreeze:

Here's a link to showing that he was in Miami giving a speech that day.

I also want to tell you that I think you've done a very good job of staying cool during these kinds of frenzies.

In regards to the NewsMax-as-a-source question. I believe that it is appropriate to respond with a great deal of skepticism when confronted by stories sourced (I believe, at this point) only by NewsMax.

The general tone at MyDD in response to "pastor-gate" has been one of a feeding frenzy. This tone has continued in terms of speculation regarding this newer information. Considering the source and the sketchy information, I think the snarky comments about NewsMax are coming from a belief that we should, in general, suspend judgement instead of jumping to the conclusion that Obama must be and always is lying.

Thanks.

by shef 2008-03-17 12:15AM | 0 recs

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Re: Obama - Deep S**t.. Pastor gate...More info

This is the third time this has come up today. Obama was in Miami on July 22, giving a speech at the National Council of La Raza:
http://www.nclr.org/content/news/detail/ 47475/

by davisb 2008-03-16 09:17PM | 0 recs

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Re: Obama - Deep S**t.. Pastor gate...More info

More proof:
http://www.washingtontimes.com/apps/pbcs .dll/article?AID=/20070723/NATION/107230 063/1001

by Newcomer 2008-03-16 09:30PM | 0 recs

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Re: Obama - Deep S**t.. Pastor gate...More info

Washington Times is another far right wing newspaper.

by Toddwell 2008-03-16 09:33PM | 0 recs

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Re: Obama - Deep S**t.. Pastor gate...More info

and more
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aEITOQfKV mo

by Newcomer 2008-03-16 09:31PM | 0 recs

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Re: Obama - Deep S**t.. Pastor gate...More info

There is a 7:15 am service at TUCC

by Zebra01 2008-03-16 10:35PM | 0 recs

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Re: Obama - Deep S**t.. Pastor gate...More info

I wondered aloud here a month or so ago how long until the links to Newsmax and Freerepublic would start showing up.

by Brillobreaks 2008-03-16 09:18PM | 0 recs

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Not a good alibi

Obama's website doesn't say where he was on July 22nd. He could have attended church service early in the morning and then flown to miami that afternoon. Not a good alibi.

by karajan72 2008-03-16 09:19PM | 0 recs

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Re: Not a good alibi

http://www.barackobama.com/2007/07/22/re marks_of_senator_barack_obam_21.php

by Newcomer 2008-03-16 09:34PM | 0 recs

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Time constraints make this story implausible

We Dems should NOT take what Newsmax says as gospel.

by puma 2008-03-16 09:37PM | 0 recs

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Nice try

The La Raza speech was delivered at 1pm. It's impossible for him to be in Chicago for service on the day he was in Miami at 1pm.

by elrod 2008-03-16 10:09PM | 0 recs

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What. The. Hell.

Acceptable mydd attacks on Obama now include "it's POSSIBLE that he took a SECRET FLIGHT into Chicago to attend his secret hate-church meeting, and then dashed to Miami to deliver a speech that afternoon."

...
::brain 'splode::

by jaiwithani 2008-03-16 10:44PM | 0 recs

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I will repeat my comment from the other site where you have been spreading this 'breaking news'

"Addressing the Iraq war, Wright thundered, "Young African-American men" were "dying for nothing." The "illegal war," he shouted, was "based on Bush's lies" and is being "fought for oil money.""

What part of this do you disagree with?

Again, please stop using "patriotism" as a weapon, its very Republican.

by Newcomer 2008-03-16 09:26PM | 0 recs

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Re: Obama - Deep S**t.. Pastor gate...More info

Actually, Rev. Wright's comments there sound like an old MyDD diary...

This is hate? This is worthy of attacking? Hell, I hope Obama was there, and I hope he did nod along, cause that stuff is the truth.

by Brillobreaks 2008-03-16 09:32PM | 0 recs

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Si se puede.
http://www.barackobama.com/2007/07/22/re marks_of_senator_barack_obam_21.php

by Newcomer 2008-03-16 09:34PM | 0 recs

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Re: Obama - Deep S**t.. Pastor gate...More info

Can we have a moratorium on linking to Newsmax articles, please?
Doing sullies the validity of actual logical discourse and makes you look sensationalistic.
And I am not an Obama supporter.

by Zorkon 2008-03-16 09:29PM | 0 recs

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McCarthyism

is so unattractive.

by Etchasketchist 2008-03-16 09:30PM | 0 recs

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Re: Obama - Deep S**t.. Pastor gate...More info

THIS HAS BEEN DEBUNKED AS FALSE

OBAMA AND CLINTON WERE BOTH IN MIAMI ON THE DAY THAT THIS "HACK" CLAIMED OBAMA WAS AT THE CHURCH.

http://www.nclr.org/content/news/detail/ 47475/

by Daybreak 2008-03-16 10:18PM | 0 recs

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Just fyi, there is a 7:30 am service on Sundays at TUCC...

by Zebra01 2008-03-16 10:29PM | 0 recs

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7:30am CST

which means 8:30am Eastern.

Still too much time constraints for this story to be true.

There are FLIGHT records that can easilty dispute this story.

by puma 2008-03-16 10:39PM | 0 recs

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Re: Obama - Deep S**t.. Pastor gate...More info

yes, he probably took a secret flight down to Miami and is lying about the whole thing. And since we know that newsmax is such a reliable source, I guess that we should consider their explanation to be better even though it's about 100 times more complicated and posits a bunch of really dubious ad hoc moves.

/snark

I can't believe I'm actually typing this. It's getting a little ridiculous over here. Newsmax vs. hard evidence.

by shef 2008-03-17 12:08AM | 0 recs

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Please tell me how many of you have ever heard of Senator McCarthy. How do you feel about Bush's policy of unauthorized wiretaps? Ever heard of the Gestapo? How about Stalin?

If this crap continues where men and women have to prove their innocence, this country won't be worth a damn.

You people have got to stop this feeding frenzy. It's a sickness and it will drive all good men and women from public service.

by tharr 2008-03-16 10:58PM | 0 recs

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Re: Obama - Deep S**t.. Pastor gate...More info

Petty, devisive, and not issue-oriented.

Is THIS what it has come to? The economy is in the tank, the war(s) continue, and THIS (depsite the strong denouncement by Obama) is what you want ot focus on at mydd?

With every delegate and every superdelgate the Obama gains, this sort of movement from issues to divison and fear GROWS.

Who have we become?

by a gunslinger 2008-03-17 06:52AM | 0 recs