by Jerome Armstrong, Fri Feb 15, 2008 at 04:06:15 AM EST
I've been reading Bob Shrum's book. I eviscerated the guy in CTG, and it was well-deserved on his part; but that doesn't deny that the guy can write, even if it's revisionist at times (in the case of the Edwards).
Anyway, there's a great quote that he has from Hubert Humphrey, over lunch with George McGovern, made about the "reformer" Dukakis, who'd just called Humphrey "as an outworn relic of the old politics" just as Dukakis was winning his first race in MA, in the late 70's:
Humphrey's response tumbled out: "I tell you the difference between Dukakis and me. He wants the pipeline to be nice and clean and shiny, and as long as it is, he doesn't care if shit comes out the other end. I don't care if the pipeline's messy and even shitty at times as long as the right result comes out the end."
That's the best description I've ever heard of the dividing line between process liberals-- reformers-- and results-oriented progressives.
Apply that to
the cunning 'reform' debate over superdelegates, and about the greater need to win in 2008.
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by skeptic06, Mon Oct 02, 2006 at 09:19:43 PM EDT
Picking up the Hillstory flagged in Breaking Blue - seems to me that all sorts of fun and games may result from Joe's return from the dead (if he manages it).
The specific case considered in the piece is Lautenberg's claim for the 18 years of seniority he'd accrued at his retirement at the end of the 106th - linked to Joe's not being in the Dem Caucus in the 110th.
The argument, I'm thinking, is that, by running against Lamont, Joe has already forfeited his seniority, and, if he gets it back, in the 110th, then Lautenberg should get his back. And Lautenberg has more than him!
The result desired by Lautenberg is crystal clear: if the Dems take control of the Senate, with restored seniority he zooms into the chair of Homeland Security or Environment.)
My feeling is that any anomaly like the Lieberman situation is likely to destabilise (if only temporarily) the entire structure of relationships between Dem senators.
And that's leaving out of account the possibility that he'll jump ship if he wins in November.
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