My Baby's Sick, and I have no Health Insurance

It's easy for the issues in this election to feel somewhat distant, or only important in a rhetorical way. When someone talks about having friends or family in Iraq, it's easy to miss the scope of such feelings, since that burden is shared by so few in our society. Likewise, with issues ranging from abortion to illegal immigration to social security reform... to universal healthcare.

I must confess, I was among those who took a very distant look at a lot of those issues. From when I first become politically conscious, through being a Republican, and until somewhat recently, I was more concerned about the here and now of my own life- and none of those issues impacted me directly.

It's funny how things change.

I moved recently to finish my nursing clinicals at a rather prestigious school here. It was a true honor, and an incredible opportunity and boon for my career and future. Especially because I'm struggling to raise my baby girl with only minimal help from her mother, as I left my family behind to be able to move here and attend school.

And now, for the first time in eight years, I don't have a full-time job- I left it behind to be able to move here and attend school. Which entailed a loss of all the benefits I'd never truly appreciated until they were gone. I made decent money for a retail job, and had an excellent benefit package, even if I complained every paycheck about how I was getting gouged.

Now, I have none, at least not until September, when school starts. And unfortunately, this includes my six-month old baby girl.

SCHIP/Medicare can't help me- I made too much money last year, and was on track to do so this year. I never thought I'd be in a position where 24,000 dollars would ever be too much money. My baby's mother is finally moving here to help raise her daughter- but she's changing jobs, and won't have health insurance in the meantime.

So it looks like I've fallen through one of the holes in the safety net- and truly, it's my daughter that's going to suffer the most. Hopefully, it's just something the free clinic can clear up, or that is harmless- she's got a growth in the corner fold of her mouth- but as a new dad, nurse in training, and due to my lack of health insurance, I am running through a variety of nightmare scenarios in my head.

And even if everything is just fine, I'm being completely paranoid, and the summer passes until we both get back under health insurance protection without comment, I certainly will never forget the initial stab of horror as the implications of  what a health crisis with my daughter would mean for us right now- financially, educationally... and just with wanting to see her grow up happy and healthy.

And I'll certainly remember in November. No longer will this election, or others in the future, be a work of intellectual rhetoric. The vitriol of the primary wars, the shortsightedness of the PUMA people we all know and love, etc, etc- when I get into that voting booth, I'm going to wonder who the best person will be to make sure that I, or people like me, will never have to experience feelings like that ever again.                                                              

Update [2008-7-13 17:5:30 by ragekage]:A few people have suggested I look for some monetary help. Whether it's honor, or stubborness, I'd never do something like that. There's people out there who have it way worse than me. I have been blessed, truly. I'm just sharing my thoughts. Knowing you guys are pulling for me and that, maybe somewhere, this can inspire someone to give some more thought to who they pull the lever for in November.

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I'm sorry to read this..there are several doctors (2.00 / 9)

in this blog who should be able to help...


by louisprandtl on Sun Jul 13, 2008 at 04:11:02 PM EST

Re: I'm sorry to read this..there are several doct (2.00 / 14)

Thanks for the support.


Hooray for John McCain!
by ragekage on Sun Jul 13, 2008 at 04:15:19 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: I'm sorry to read this..there are several doct (2.00 / 10)

I wish I could know more about your babies condition (I play a doctor in real life). As a medical worker I know how hypochondriac one can get when studying in this field (we overworry to damn much). I wish I knew more.

How big is the growth?

At what pace has it been growing?

What's the color?

Texture?

Has she had any recent infections?

Has she had recent fevers?

Does it hurt?

Their are many scenarios and plausible explanations but I don't see how it can be anything malignant or costly to take care off. Relax a bit (I know it's hard as hell). Take note of minor changes in your babies behavior and feeding habits. Annotate in your head when you first noticed this change in physical appereance.

You could try taking her to a dentist first. That would be less costly and the doc would probably give you a good idea of what it might be. Dentists are the authority on most things mouth related (not just teeth). Try to get one that specializes in maxilofacial surgery as well. 2 birds one stone (cheaper than docs too).

If the dentist tells you to seek medical advice go straight to the dermatologist (or whomever he/she suggests). Try to keep your trips to a minimum. Most doc's just refer you to a specialist anyways (but still charge you) and you cut costs that way.

I hope your baby gets better rage.


We want to see Ivana [Trump] because we are so desperate in Alaska for any semblance of glamour and culture. - Sarah Palin
by spacemanspiff on Sun Jul 13, 2008 at 05:03:18 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: I'm sorry to read this..there are several doct (2.00 / 6)

It's just a skin-color little fold of... well, skin, or so it appears. At first, I thought maybe it was food, but it, of course, won't go away, and repeated washragging only resulted in a crying baby.

Again, I'd agree with you, it's probably nothing. It's just magnified by all the circumstances I've got working against me right now. It just brought into focus a previously vague concept and good idea- "Yeah, health insurance for everyone. Why not, I suppose?" has morphed into something far more serious.


Hooray for John McCain!
by ragekage on Sun Jul 13, 2008 at 05:26:38 PM EST
[ Parent ]

I don't have the knowledge that (2.00 / 6)

SmS has, but I would add for things to think about a  family history for cancer and any possible environmental hazards (exposure to heavy metals is something that can lead to cancer [which sounds like what you are most worried about, Rage, and would be the thing you might possibly overlook]).


The guy advising John McCain on the economy thinks you are a whiner.
by Sanguine Giant on Sun Jul 13, 2008 at 08:37:02 PM EST
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Re: I'm sorry to read this..there are several doct (2.00 / 7)

Your baby is absolutely gorgeous.  I've got my fingers crossed for you.


No Way. No How. No McCain.
by Denny Crane on Sun Jul 13, 2008 at 05:13:01 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Beautiful baby ragekage. (2.00 / 5)

Does she look like her Dad?


by georgiapeach on Sun Jul 13, 2008 at 05:16:49 PM EST
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Re: Beautiful baby ragekage. (2.00 / 7)

No, she's way prettier than that. ;)


Hooray for John McCain!
by ragekage on Sun Jul 13, 2008 at 05:26:59 PM EST
[ Parent ]

I hear ya. (none / 0)

My brother has three daughters, all of whom look a lot like him. Except they are way prettier(and a whole lot sweeter).


by georgiapeach on Wed Jul 16, 2008 at 09:08:19 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Tell the truth!!!! OBAMA IS AGAINST HEALTHCARE (1.00 / 1)

FOR ADULTS!!!! Your daughter will be fine because he wants mandated health care for kids ONLY!! As a person who is battling breast cancer for  the past 4 yrs and paying over $22,200 in health insurance premiums + $1,000 deductible + $3,000 co-pay before they pay out a red cent, don't tell me that Obama is my answer!!! He's told us in Houston in a newspaper interview that he would only consider mandated health insurance for adults only after reviewing how it worked out for kids - so I'm not holding my breath!

It's obscene that the democratic nominee will not fight for mandated/universal health care which Clinton would have, unlike your candidate of choice - stop blaming PUMAS because they see right through his hypocrisy! There is no way he would have the courage to fight for what is right and lose political capital - that's all he's about - look at him now.... real  picture of political fortitude - he's a coward and a cold hearted one at that -the fact that he was not moved by the horrific cases he's heard from people on the campaign trail just sickens me - I find him repulsive if not totally repugnant!


by suzieg on Mon Jul 14, 2008 at 07:34:08 AM EST
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Hi Suzieg (2.00 / 1)

Thanks for your viewpoint that mandates are better than no mandates.  It's a complex issue.  Is it better to enlarge the pool by making everyone contribute but creating more demand for insurance companies?  Or simply subsidize health insurance and require group rates, thereby not inflating artificial demand but running the risk of healthy people opting out of the system and threatening its solvency?  Time will tell.

That part of your post was fine, albeit a few too many exclamation points.  As for the rest of it, shut up.


by corph on Mon Jul 14, 2008 at 10:06:02 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Tell the truth!!!! OBAMA IS AGAINST HEALTHCARE (2.00 / 2)

I find your hyperbole to be repugnant and repulsive.  Aside from that, I'm sorry for your health problems.  I can empathize, because I'm in a similar situation.

Obama himself states a single payer system would be best.  He is also correct in his assessment that it would not pass.  We don't even have enough support to get us out of Iraq ASAP, and you honestly believe mandated health care would just cruise through Congress?  It is a minority that supports such a move, pure and simple.  We don't live in Utopia, we live in reality.  Change is only going to occur incrementally.  It's a sad fact that a lot of people are resistant to changes like this, even when they see a need for it, they fear being left in a worse position (baseless or not, it's a fear for them.)  If those who support universal health care were the only voters, we'd have no problem, but that's not the case.


by whognu on Mon Jul 14, 2008 at 10:37:09 AM EST
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Re: My Baby's Sick, and I have no Health Insurance (2.00 / 11)

Huge rec!

Give that beautiful baby girl a hug.


"The true measure of a man is how he treats someone who can do him absolutely no good." Samuel Johnson
by MS01 Indie on Sun Jul 13, 2008 at 04:11:26 PM EST

Re: My Baby's Sick, and I have no Health Insurance (2.00 / 10)

Oh, I have, don't worry- thank you.


Hooray for John McCain!
by ragekage on Sun Jul 13, 2008 at 04:15:37 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: My Baby's Sick, and I have no Health Insurance (2.00 / 11)

Where have you been dude?  Seriously.

Been missing you around here.

Mojo'd and rec'd (of course).


We want to see Ivana [Trump] because we are so desperate in Alaska for any semblance of glamour and culture. - Sarah Palin
by spacemanspiff on Sun Jul 13, 2008 at 04:46:31 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Sorry didn't mean to knock this beautiful diary (2.00 / 7)

off the top list..


by louisprandtl on Sun Jul 13, 2008 at 04:13:50 PM EST

I hate to hear this, RK. (2.00 / 8)

It's probably something minor, but I know nothing seems minor to an anxious parent. I hope she feels better soon.

Have you ever seen one of those diaries -- here or on DKos -- where someone is requesting funds for some reason? Sometimes it's for school, or something. Sometimes they get put on the rec list over at Big Orange. I know it's probably an embarrassing thought to you, but I wanted to let you know it might be an option if you find out something is seriously wrong. You know there are a lot of people who would help you if they could.


Even John McCain lusts after teh engels.
by sricki on Sun Jul 13, 2008 at 04:23:28 PM EST

Re: I hate to hear this, RK. (2.00 / 7)

Sorry. Whether it's honor, or stubborness, I'd never do something like that. There's people out there who have it way worse than me. I have been blessed, truly. I'm just sharing my thoughts. But thank you for your kind words, they are appreciated as always.


Hooray for John McCain!
by ragekage on Sun Jul 13, 2008 at 05:01:37 PM EST
[ Parent ]

post this elsewhere (2.00 / 4)

like dkos...maybe someone willbe close enough to help you.


by debcoop on Sun Jul 13, 2008 at 04:24:16 PM EST

Re: My Baby's Sick, and I have no Health Insurance (2.00 / 7)

Hope everything is okay.

You have often posted heartfelt diaries and comments about the life of you and your baby.  I think many people here feel as if we know you and have a vested interest in your success.  If you need help, many people here would reach into their pockets.  You just have to let us know.


McCain = bad Obama = good
by CAchemist on Sun Jul 13, 2008 at 04:27:36 PM EST

yes..agreed..just let us know... n/t (2.00 / 7)


by louisprandtl on Sun Jul 13, 2008 at 04:31:03 PM EST
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Re: My Baby's Sick, and I have no Health Insurance (2.00 / 6)

Thoughts and prayers (or vibes, energy or whatever it is you seek) headed to you and yours from me and mine.

Good luck, brother.


by Kysen on Sun Jul 13, 2008 at 04:28:19 PM EST

Re: My Baby's Sick, and I have no Health Insurance (2.00 / 6)

What a beautiful baby she is!  I hope you will have health insurance for her soon, and that the problem turns out to be minor.

Is she a first child?  If so, the worries and troubles always seem so huge with the first child.  I remember sitting by my oldest son's crib, wondering whether he was breathing because he was so quiet.  Then worrying about it.  Then checking with a mirror, would you believe?

By the time we had our second son, neither of us was as frightened about every small thing.


"There are two kinds of statistics: the kind you look up and the kind you make up" --Rex Stout
by LIsoundview on Sun Jul 13, 2008 at 04:31:19 PM EST

Re: My Baby's Sick, and I have no Health Insurance (2.00 / 6)

Yes, and all the medial training I'm getting doesn't help me to be any less of a hypochondriac on her behalf. Heh. Thank you for the support.


Hooray for John McCain!
by ragekage on Sun Jul 13, 2008 at 05:02:32 PM EST
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Re: My Baby's Sick, and I have no Health Insurance (2.00 / 4)

It's going to be okay Ragekage. LOL Just wait till you have pharmacology class.  Oh and don't let your fingers do the walking through a PDR ro Merck Manual while your up with your kid. Those package inserts are scarier than a horror movie. Sheesh.

Laughing is good. Hugs.


by 12 dogs and a blog on Sun Jul 13, 2008 at 05:55:28 PM EST
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Re: My Baby's Sick, and I have no Health Insurance (2.00 / 6)

She is so sweet. I like what you did with the stroller.

I hope it is nothing serious.

See if you can find a pacifier she likes that flips out away from her mouth rather than lying on her mouth. It will help reduce friction against the growth until you see the doctor. It will also lessen the drool and bacteria from milk and food getting trapped in there.


"No self-respecting woman should wish or work for the success of a party that ignores her." - Susan B. Anthony
by feelfree on Sun Jul 13, 2008 at 05:09:52 PM EST

Re: My Baby's Sick, and I have no Health Insurance (2.00 / 7)

Excellent, I'm going to do that now, thank you!


Hooray for John McCain!
by ragekage on Sun Jul 13, 2008 at 05:28:00 PM EST
[ Parent ]

I long for the day when we have (2.00 / 7)

truly universal health care  for everyone.  Our "system"  is so inhumane and so uncivilized!

If you contact your county health department, I think you will find that they have free clinics for children.  It's worth a try.  

I wish you all the best with your baby.  She's a beauty!  


by Radiowalla on Sun Jul 13, 2008 at 05:24:58 PM EST

Re: My Baby's Sick, and I have no Health Insurance (2.00 / 11)

Re: You need a yenta. ( / )

OH!! rage kage. First, Go find you a good pharmacist/pharmacy. They are so underutilized. Pharmacists have triage training. Maybe you might could wrangle a moonlight job this summer. Some things don't need Rx's. The dosage is tricky but they can help. You'll be using alot of calculations in school and your job. It's good to get use to the math. If you're not used to high fevers find out now before you have too. That's one of those thinks that happen in the middle of the night. This can buy time and keep you out of the emergency room which is EXPENSIVE. Also find the all night pharmacy and get to know them. Make SURE that you tell them that you're a nurse in training. There is professional courtesy even now. Dress professionally when you go and go before you have too. Also find an independent pharmacy. We still have mom and pop or small chains that specialize in personal care. They are also going to be those with home delivery. Splurge for this if she gets sick.  And a thought. Can you volunteer at the free clinic? I'll bet they can find you something to do.  Give you contact in case something happens and you need help but are short. Look for online support groups. Let all the folks there "adopt you and your daughter". So many folks will love to help. Do this even when you get your insurance back. It might not take a village to raise a child but the more friends the better. Folks will help. I just know it.

LOL Hang in there. I know this part is scarey.

Friends help. Let them. Can they babysit for free. Can you trade babysitting? This saves you money that you can use for health care. Don't forget the shots. That's important. Keep your own copy of your daughter's health records so that if you find yourself at 3am with emergency room you'll have all her info. Put it in a binder in her diaper backpack (I liked backpacks for lots of pockets and hands free.) There's also Web Doctors that can help too. Your church can help with resources too.

You can do it. I promise. Ask for help from the mommies and the daddies in the world. We moms and dads have a wealth of hard bought knowledge.

Hugs to you.
You and your daughter are going be just fine.
Keep us posted.

12 dogs Virtual Grammie.


by 12 dogs and a blog on Sun Jul 13, 2008 at 05:43:32 PM EST

Re: My Baby's Sick, and I have no Health Insurance (none / 0)

This is a general comment to ragecage and his situation.


by 12 dogs and a blog on Sun Jul 13, 2008 at 07:52:13 PM EST
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Re: My Baby's Sick, and I have no Health Insurance (2.00 / 7)

rage - you have been sorely missed around here lately.  it sounds like your life has been crazy stressful lately. i wish you and your family the best as you get through this.

one thing - is it too late to COBRA your coverage from your previous job?  i know know from experience that it is outrageously expensive, but it can come in handy in transition times like these.  i think you have a couple of months before the option passes, but then you have to back pay for the months passed.  if you find out this is something serious, i would look into COBRA.

best of luck to you in school.  i hope the next time we see you around it is under better circumstances.

p.s. as someone raised by a single dad, i have a tremendous amount of respect for you.  just thought id let you know. :)


by elie on Sun Jul 13, 2008 at 05:50:03 PM EST

Re: My Baby's Sick, and I have no Health Insurance (2.00 / 8)

No, it's not too late to COBRA at all, if I had twelve hundred dollars to blow. I figured I could at least get the baby on SCHIP, but, alas.

Thank you for the support, it's worth more than anything else. The respect even moreso. God bless you.


Hooray for John McCain!
by ragekage on Sun Jul 13, 2008 at 06:09:13 PM EST
[ Parent ]

That kind of 'pride' is reserved for (2.00 / 1)

people who dont have children. If you can get financial help get it.
Also if you are at a teaching hospital for your training there are usually clinics associated with teaching hospitals. At many clinics they will help you process for medicaid which should nothing to do with your previous income last years. If you or your daughter have an emergent issue go to the emergency room. In the now do what you gotta do to stay healthy. So you can work for universal healthcare.

I will be thinking good thoughts for you and yours


Ida B. The rule is perfect: in all matters of opinion our adversaries are insane.-Mark Twain
by Ida B on Sun Jul 13, 2008 at 06:00:36 PM EST

RedstateLib... (2.00 / 2)

You can't see you comment because it is being hide rated because someone finds it offensive.  Posting it over and over and over is obnoxious and will not help you as it will just be hide rated over and over.


McCain = bad Obama = good
by CAchemist on Sun Jul 13, 2008 at 06:04:03 PM EST

Maybe here's some practical help.... (2.00 / 7)

Rage,

Haven't seen nor read much from you of late. Figured your were tied-up elsewhere. That being said, sorry to see you blogging for such a tough reason today.

So...I thought I'd provide a little practical help...

Here's some results from a search (assuming you're in Virginia, which if I recall, is where you're at right not; if not, my bad...)

Aside from the list below, as a vet, you're eligible for some free healthcare benefits for your daughter under certain circumstances. And, in terms of the pride thing, and not seeking out a freebie, well then offer your professional services to them in lieu of payment! Anyhow, here's some links I found in Virginia, as far as free healthcare for children is concerned:

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children's health initiative. ...
www.vhcf.org - Cached
#

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Charlottesville Free Clinic. Charlottesville ... Dental Referral Service - Find a dentist in your area. Dermatologic Surgery of Central Virginia ...
avenue.org/health.htm

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... include S-CHIP: The State Children's Insurance Program (S-CHIP) covers children ... VA: Harrisonburg Rockingham Free Clinic. NY: Free clinics in New York city ...
reviews.ebay.com/HEALTHCARE-RESOURCES-th e-system-and-finding-help_W...

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www.womenshealthvirginia.org/pages/resou rces.htm

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Virginia Mason Medical Center and Children's Hospital are two health care ...
www.resourceventure.org/case-studies/by- sector/healthcare-industry

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 30.
      Virginia Health Care Foundation | Serving more than 500,000 uninsured ...
      Virginia Free & Reduced Lunch Demographic Info ... The Children's Dental Health Project has an extensive database of national and ...
      www.vhcf.org/dental/links_stats.php - Cached

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Best of luck with this rage! And, if you feel like sharing with us in a few days, please let us know how this all worked out.

Peace!


by bobswern on Sun Jul 13, 2008 at 06:04:08 PM EST

Re: Maybe here's some practical help.... (2.00 / 5)

Bobswern = always thorough.  Good stuff as always.  

Your diaries should get way more attention.


McCain = bad Obama = good
by CAchemist on Sun Jul 13, 2008 at 06:08:33 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Maybe here's some practical help.... (2.00 / 2)

He's substantive and he provides sources.  Obviously that's not good enough for the vitriolic maniacs that frequent this joint (though less than they used to).

Me, I appear to be the kumbaya bipartisan cyclist.

Or do I not yet have a persona hereabouts?  Do you?

What does a scanner see?


by Reaper0Bot0 on Sun Jul 13, 2008 at 06:33:33 PM EST
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Re: Maybe here's some practical help.... (2.00 / 2)

I am not sure if I said anything yesterday but I dig your new bike.  Good call on the two wheeled transportation.

I am not sure if I am known well enough here to be typecast yet.  In the real world, my friends consider me to be someone who continuously preaches from his progressive soapbox.  But here that is par for the course.


McCain = bad Obama = good
by CAchemist on Sun Jul 13, 2008 at 06:46:35 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Go to your local public hospital (2.00 / 2)

They will see her and bill you on a sliding scale.  Don't worry about paying it back, just focus on getting the health care your child needs. If they deny care, check for another hospital and be prepared to contact an attorney.

Also - call your Congressman's local district office. With any luck, you live in a Dem district and they often have very good people working in constituent services who will help with these things.

There are hundreds of thousands of people who fall through the safety net for health care every day.  

To all the others reading this thread, don't wait until it affects you personally to take action.


by Betsy McCall on Sun Jul 13, 2008 at 06:31:53 PM EST

As info (1.25 / 4)

I'm not a PUMA, but I've backed Clinton over Obama because of health care reform.

Clinton has the only viable plan of the two candidates, period.

Its not easy swimming upstream against the Obama tide, but I do it because we need real health care reform.  Obama is too naive to realize he won't get it without a fight and without becoming unpopular with the health insurance industry.

Lives are too important to risk on Obama's 8 year learning curve.


by Betsy McCall on Sun Jul 13, 2008 at 06:43:43 PM EST

Re: As info (1.90 / 11)

Um.... Hillary Clinton is a United States Senator. United States Senators can have a great deal of input into an issue like health care reform. Ask Daniel Patrick Moynihan. Or Hillary Clinton.


by BlueinColorado on Sun Jul 13, 2008 at 07:06:51 PM EST
[ Parent ]

And it's not something that simply (2.00 / 2)

fighting real hard will fix.  There is no magic wand that anyone can wave to provide perfect free healthcare to all (Cheap Meds in Canada, as one example, are only possible because it is the US pharmaceuticals who spend the money to develop them).

it is good that you and so many are adamant that the system be fixed, or at least improved.  I agree.  Senator Obama agrees.  The only disagreement is how it gets done, and while I and the Senator from Illinois may be wrong, it is possible that you and the Senator from NY may be as well.  But let's keep level heads and a civil conversation going about it so we can make some actual progress this time.

-best

-chris


Donate!
by chrisblask on Sun Jul 13, 2008 at 07:24:23 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Sorry, the comment above was for Betsy (2.00 / 2)

with all due respect.

-chris


Donate!
by chrisblask on Sun Jul 13, 2008 at 07:25:17 PM EST
[ Parent ]

There's good policy and there's bad policy (none / 0)

Health care reform is such a critical issue its going to require both very good public policy and someone willing to push to make it happen.

As we've seen countless times in the past, weak health care policy solves little or nothing and delays real solutions since the bandwagon riders who pushed for weak reform will remind us the issue has been resolved.

Its much more difficult and takes much more time to overcome bad health care policy than it does to do it right.

As this thread shows, people's lives are at stake.  If you're willing to fool around with a long, slow incremental process for health care reform, do me a favor and tell me how many people you're willing to let die needlessly in order to get that accomplished.

Thanks.


by Betsy McCall on Sun Jul 13, 2008 at 07:46:07 PM EST
[ Parent ]

"How many people I am willing to let (2.00 / 5)

die?"

Well, since you make it a Fool's Choice I will give you the sharp answer I would rather avoid:

How many people have died since the First Lady failed to ram through a closed-door absolutist's policy in the 1990s?  How many have died since the President at that time failed to find a Magic Wand to wave and make it all better?

Assuming that I or anyone else is "willing to let people die" is precisely the kind of ranting that will ensure that this issue will never be solved.  As much as I fervently want to advance this topic I could feel my mind trying to snap shut reading your comment.  I shudder to think of the reaction to those who are not as close to your position as I am if they were to hear you vomit accusations at them, and how that serves to perpetuate the current dilemna.

No-one wants people to die - none here and damn few even among those who disagree with us both on how to fix the current system or whether it needs fixing at all.  

One thing you can do to ensure that more people will die while we all try to work through this is to continue to fling assertions around that everyone who is neither you nor on your "side" - whateverthehell that means - "wants people to die".

Hyperbole and insults do not solutions make.

-chris


Donate!
by chrisblask on Sun Jul 13, 2008 at 08:03:31 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: As info (2.00 / 3)

Um... Bets... just curious.... could you explain the troll rating?


by BlueinColorado on Sun Jul 13, 2008 at 07:39:42 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Sure (none / 0)

Trivializing Hillary Clinton and the issues she stands for by saying "she can work as an individual senator" are insulting and demeaning.

Its a meme I disagree with and one that shouldn't become part of the conventional wisdom.


by Betsy McCall on Sun Jul 13, 2008 at 07:54:17 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Just because you disagree with it (2.00 / 6)

doesn't mean it's trolling.  Now your comments, on the other hand, amount to little more than insults and wild assertions with no substantiation.


by JJE on Sun Jul 13, 2008 at 07:55:35 PM EST
[ Parent ]

We all have our opinions (none / 0)

and, as Democrats, we stand for each person's right to express them.


by Betsy McCall on Sun Jul 13, 2008 at 08:04:16 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: We all have our opinions (2.00 / 5)

which means you should not have handed out an unfair trollrate.  Thanks for proving his point.

And pointing out that Hillary Clinton is a senator is simply the truth.  


McCain = bad Obama = good
by CAchemist on Sun Jul 13, 2008 at 08:06:31 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Then you should not have given that TR (2.00 / 5)


Donate!
by chrisblask on Sun Jul 13, 2008 at 08:08:33 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: We all have our opinions (2.00 / 3)

Contradiction much?

Hysterical.


We want to see Ivana [Trump] because we are so desperate in Alaska for any semblance of glamour and culture. - Sarah Palin
by spacemanspiff on Sun Jul 13, 2008 at 08:25:04 PM EST
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Re: Sure (2.00 / 4)

Trivializing Hillary because she is a senator.  That is laughable.

I wish I could be so trivial.


McCain = bad Obama = good
by CAchemist on Sun Jul 13, 2008 at 08:16:58 PM EST
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Re: Sure (2.00 / 4)

I wasn't trivializing Hillary Clinton. Quite the contrary, I was pointing out that she still holds a position of enormous influence in our government (which you seem determined to deliberately misunderstand in order to justify your attempts to continue the primary pie fight).

I can't imagine you are really so ignorant of American government and American politics that you really believe a U.S. Senator with the national following, media prominence and fund-raising list (by no means the least consideration) that Hillary Clinton has is powerless, or that pointing out her position is "insulting and demeaning".

And since you seem determined to deliberately misunderstand everything from basic English to middle school-level civics, let me be clear: I'm not calling you ignorant, I'm saying you're pretending to be ignorant in order to pick fights, whine, play the  victim and keep the primary fights open (and given you're attempt to troll-jack a diary about a sick child, your abuse of the ratings system, and having read some of your old comments, so I'm pretty confident in my assessment).


by BlueinColorado on Sun Jul 13, 2008 at 08:17:25 PM EST
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Re: Sure (none / 0)

But just think of all the good she could do working hard for all us as the president. She could start in right away to make things better in health care and many other ways.
No learning curve, as someone above said.
This whole primary season has been a tragedy for people who need help.
by Marjoriest on Sun Jul 13, 2008 at 08:38:29 PM EST
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Oh horse shit (1.80 / 5)

What are you fucking babbling about?

My apologies if this is some too accurate parody.


by BlueinColorado on Sun Jul 13, 2008 at 08:40:26 PM EST
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"Could have" (none / 0)

"Could have" is water under the bridge.
All the things Kerry "could have" done had
he won in 2004....
Or what "could have" happened had Kenedy and not
Carter won the nomination in 1980....

Obama is the democratically elected democratic
nomineee...Clinton had accepted this.

So the only choice is Obama or McCain.
Which do you prefer?


by lolo08 on Mon Jul 14, 2008 at 01:05:14 AM EST
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Re: As info (none / 0)

For failing to kiss Clinton's ass, IMO.


John McCain, maverick
by lojasmo on Wed Jul 16, 2008 at 07:11:02 PM EST
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Not enough (none / 0)

We need real leadership in the WH to make this happen.

The only alternative would be to make Clinton Majority Leader in the Senate, which would give her enough power in that body to prevent Obama from letting the health insurance industry write health care reform policy.

Being one senator doesn't amoung to a great deal and health care reform is far too critical an issue to wait 8 years for real reform.


by Betsy McCall on Sun Jul 13, 2008 at 07:12:19 PM EST

Hang in there, Rage (2.00 / 3)

We don't have healthcare, either, as of June 30.  That's twice this year and Coverage Lapse Number Four in twenty-odd years - with about half of those years being in the States.

I've been everything from a forklift driver to a high-tech inventor, VP and CEO - but all that and $5 will only buy a coffee at Starbucks if one of us gets seriously ill before I figure out exactly what I'm doing next (overqualified in a tight market - an interesting experience that you don't get sympathy for complaining about).

I came of age in Canada, got married in my early twenties and moved back to the states.  Promptly got run over by a pickup on my motorcycle with no health insurance and a $5/hour job (the ambulance cost more than two weeks pay).  Landscaped my way to an education, a career, good jobs, world travel then in Utah with a baby and a company that didn't work and no coverage again.  Back to a big winner of a job, a successful startup and then one not so, then moved here to Florida with no coverage and a family of five.  Another great job with a company that faltered and with luck next another soon with someone who won't run out of cash.  

Until then, we are careful.  But on July fourth we went to the beach to watch the fireworks and some yahoo shot a bottle rocket that hit Donna in the head (head wounds bleed a lot, it was just a nick, but rushing to the water with her face covered in blood gives one pause for certain.  "Are we talking skin grafts?!?!").

For all that, I don't see Single-Payer as the fix to the problem (Canada's system is mostly a disaster), and mandating insurance we can't afford now won't make us buy it (fine me, I won't pay those fines I can't afford, either).  In the complex view I have of the topic I honestly see sen. Obama's negotiated plan the best step from where we are now - there may not be a Perfect Solution that is also a Possible Solution right now.

Like you, I've been both on the Left of politics and on the Right.  I've been in the corporate boardrooms of the Health Insurance companies, and I've been in emergency with no way to pay for the services.  I've been in the Universal Healthcare Heaven Up North and seen the good, bad and ugly of that, and I know the pros and cons of the system we have here.  I don't know what the answer is, but I do know that anyone who thinks it is a simple problem to solve has another think coming.

Do what you need to take care of your baby.  As Bobswern notes, there are resources to help you and if it comes to that, I'd bet we among us here could find ways to help.  

But don't stress too much, you have a beautiful daughter and she will grow through all sorts of hair-raising maladies into a wonderful woman just fine.  It's just what they do to keep us all grounded... ;-)

-best

-chris


Donate!
by chrisblask on Sun Jul 13, 2008 at 07:15:40 PM EST

not that this is the diary for it... (2.00 / 2)

but i would suffice is to say, that the majority of progressive americans would prefer the CDN healthcare system to the US.  and while admittedly the canadian system is imperfect - i would much rather have my system over yours for the precisely the reason that is included in the diary.


"Me Fail English? That's Unpossible." Ralph Wiggum
by canadian gal on Sun Jul 13, 2008 at 11:57:17 PM EST
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Re: not that this is the diary for it... (none / 0)

There's no innovation for new drugs or treatments under the Canadian system.


by dogman on Mon Jul 14, 2008 at 12:50:30 AM EST
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is that a joke? (none / 0)

the only difference between canada and the US is that the drug companies are required by the govt to sell at a specific price.  so i guess with billions less in the bank they spend a bit less on research.


"Me Fail English? That's Unpossible." Ralph Wiggum
by canadian gal on Mon Jul 14, 2008 at 12:56:44 AM EST
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Your points are well taken, CG (2.00 / 1)

I understand everyone's opinions on this topic - no matter what their opinion is.  It is just that understanding that makes it hard for me to take side with any proposed "solution".

Rage would be better off in Canada right now - no question.  But without our screwed up system here, the medicines his daughter could need might not exist on the planet.

One of the big Canadian pharmas was almost a customer of mine in 2006, but they were spending buckets of cash on lawyers trying to break a US patent and were cutting back on all other spending.  They succeeded in the end.

I'd give my right arm (to be ambidextrous ;-) to combine free full medical for everyone with the fastest possible advances in medical technology, but I am extremely doubtful that it would work that way.  One of my core perspectives on this whole thing is:

o  Medicide 100 years ago was cheap - your children just died (like my grandmother's three brothers) while the barber-doctor "bled" you.

o  Medicine now is increasingly expensive, in large part because research is expensive and treatments are rapidly obsoleted.

o  In 100 years medicine will be cheap because research will be largely complete.

o  In the meantime, ubiquitous delivery of everything is very complicated, and perhaps impossible...

-best

-chris


Donate!
by chrisblask on Mon Jul 14, 2008 at 09:40:09 AM EST
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Re: not that this is the diary for it... (none / 0)

Plus, you can't get in to see a doctor quickly in Canada.  


by dogman on Mon Jul 14, 2008 at 12:52:52 AM EST
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me thinks someone has no idea what they are (2.00 / 2)

talking about.


"Me Fail English? That's Unpossible." Ralph Wiggum
by canadian gal on Mon Jul 14, 2008 at 12:58:05 AM EST
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Re: not that this is the diary for it... (none / 0)

What?  That is frankly false.


John McCain, maverick
by lojasmo on Wed Jul 16, 2008 at 07:12:44 PM EST
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Re: not that this is the diary for it... (2.00 / 1)

seconded by another recent Canadian


by lolo08 on Mon Jul 14, 2008 at 01:07:50 AM EST
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Re: My Baby's Sick, and I have no Health Insurance (2.00 / 4)

What an Angel. I hope everything works out. This is why we need change. Take care.


by Politicalslave on Sun Jul 13, 2008 at 07:45:48 PM EST

My thoughts are with you and (2.00 / 6)

your beautiful little girl, ragekage. I don't have children and I can only imagine, but it must be terrifying to have a child and not have health insurance. I'm proud to be fighting alongside you to get Obama elected so your situation will be a thing of the past.


Obama supporter working to defeat McCain.
by Rumarhazzit on Sun Jul 13, 2008 at 07:59:00 PM EST

Stopping in to say Hiya (2.00 / 7)

RK, I am sorry to hear about your daughter and hope she turns out ok.


The guy advising John McCain on the economy thinks you are a whiner.
by Sanguine Giant on Sun Jul 13, 2008 at 08:01:04 PM EST

Re: Stopping in to say Hiya (2.00 / 7)

We miss you around here dude.

Please rethink your "leave of absence".

Anybody else agree?


We want to see Ivana [Trump] because we are so desperate in Alaska for any semblance of glamour and culture. - Sarah Palin
by spacemanspiff on Sun Jul 13, 2008 at 08:07:55 PM EST
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SmS (2.00 / 6)

My leave of absence is due to a position I hold, I got a really nice lab position but it is keeping my extremely busy, I have a column running tonight and it is automated which gave me the time to pop in tonight.

My 'leave of absence' is due to that and nothing else.  I have thought about my actions and i have no problem showing some vemon to hypocrites.  Though I will admit the site when I do check as lower quality than OpenLeft (despite the lower traffic).


The guy advising John McCain on the economy thinks you are a whiner.
by Sanguine Giant on Sun Jul 13, 2008 at 08:14:32 PM EST
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Re: SmS (2.00 / 3)

Glad to hear that. I'm glad you pop in once in awhile. You really have been missed around here. As for your "actions", I'm beginning to rethink my position on that also.

i have no problem showing some vemon to hypocrites

I totally agree. In hindsight, you were right all along. Cheers!


We want to see Ivana [Trump] because we are so desperate in Alaska for any semblance of glamour and culture. - Sarah Palin
by spacemanspiff on Sun Jul 13, 2008 at 08:21:09 PM EST
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Yeah (2.00 / 4)

My relatively new position will keep me extremely busy, but I still show up once in a while.

I'll admit I took some time to search thoughts but I have little remorse for what I've done here (most of it is for my actions towards RisingTide in a episode where I flipped out as I didn't read the diary.


The guy advising John McCain on the economy thinks you are a whiner.
by Sanguine Giant on Sun Jul 13, 2008 at 08:29:25 PM EST
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Re: Yeah (2.00 / 3)

You shouldn't be remorseful for anything. You are one of the biggest reasons I came out of lurk mode after so much time and decided to be more active on this site.

You're a rockstar kid!


We want to see Ivana [Trump] because we are so desperate in Alaska for any semblance of glamour and culture. - Sarah Palin
by spacemanspiff on Sun Jul 13, 2008 at 08:33:59 PM EST
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No that was an error on my part (2.00 / 3)

(I speculated he was a Paultard because I didn't read the diary only the title and it was an inflammatory to get people to read it).


The guy advising John McCain on the economy thinks you are a whiner.
by Sanguine Giant on Sun Jul 13, 2008 at 08:43:32 PM EST
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can i get a hell yeah! (2.00 / 5)


"Me Fail English? That's Unpossible." Ralph Wiggum
by canadian gal on Sun Jul 13, 2008 at 09:48:15 PM EST
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Your daughter is lovely. (2.00 / 5)

Good luck!


Linfar's co-blogger opposing John McCain
by psychodrew on Sun Jul 13, 2008 at 08:49:19 PM EST

I hope your daughter will be fine. (2.00 / 2)


by LatinoVoter on Sun Jul 13, 2008 at 09:11:44 PM EST

Re: My Baby's Sick, (2.00 / 8)

Hi,

I have been without health insurance for several years now. I have become a user of low cost clinics wherever and whenever they can be found. See what your town offers? I wouldn't wait and  assume it is nothing serious. I sympathize to the max. :)  


by linfar on Sun Jul 13, 2008 at 09:17:54 PM EST

its probably nothing rage. (2.00 / 6)

and when i hear stories like this - i seethe with anger.  how the feck does the US not have universal healthcare????

its honesty beyond horrible.  highly rec'd and your kind thoughts to you and your sweet girl.


"Me Fail English? That's Unpossible." Ralph Wiggum
by canadian gal on Sun Jul 13, 2008 at 09:30:31 PM EST

Hey there... (2.00 / 6)

nice to hear from you again.

I am certain your situation is just one of an overprotective Dad doing his job.  

Keep the faith, and the Lord shall take care =)


If you follow history with a long enough arc, things always get better, and the truth always prevails...Gandhi
by SevenStrings on Sun Jul 13, 2008 at 09:31:50 PM EST

She is beautiful (2.00 / 2)

I hope everything works out okay for you and your daughter.

My older brother (age 60) is a luthier who also has no insurance for the first time in his life due to a late in life career change.  He had multiple heart attacks in January and was able to get medical help, but they could have been prevented if he had been able to obtain the care and medication he needed.  

There is something wrong with a nation as wealthy as ours not being able to insure the health of its citizens.


by Susan from 29 on Sun Jul 13, 2008 at 09:43:25 PM EST

Man, so sorry to learn of this. (2.00 / 5)

And, I hope with all my heart that it turns out to be nothing.  You, your wife and your beautiful child will be in my thoughts and in my prayers.

Please keep us posted.

Welcome back - we are here for you.  

You have been missed RK.

Look Forward.


by UrbanRedneck on Sun Jul 13, 2008 at 09:47:11 PM EST

redstatelib. (2.00 / 8)

in all my time at mydd - i have gone after a user personally twice and this was a result of someone crossing a HUGE line. so ill say this to you directly as possible:

FUCK OFF ASSWIPE.

you are trolling and spamming a diary about a sweet baby.  go away to whatever rock you crawled out from.


"Me Fail English? That's Unpossible." Ralph Wiggum
by canadian gal on Sun Jul 13, 2008 at 09:52:44 PM EST

Re: My Baby's Sick, and I have no Health Insurance (2.00 / 3)

M thoughts and prayers are with you buddy...Everything will be just fine.


A useless "Community Organizer" from Pennsylvania as noted by Republicans, Rudy Giuliani and Sarah Palin
by hootie4170 on Sun Jul 13, 2008 at 09:58:59 PM EST

Re: My Baby's Sick, and I have no Health Insurance (none / 0)

Candain Gal

He made this about politics not me:

"I must confess, I was among those who took a very distant look at a lot of those issues. From when I first become politically conscious, through being a Republican, and until somewhat recently, I was more concerned about the here and now of my own life- and none of those issues impacted me directly."

Now if he had made this about his child and not about:

"No longer will this election, or others in the future, be a work of intellectual rhetoric."

Then that would have caused me to say only: " I hope that your Baby is Okay'. But the author made this about politics not me. So you can trash me all you want but you are being dishonest when doing so and you know it. If someone writes a diary about a personal situation to make a political point that opens it up.

Nice try but if he makes it political it is a political diary. If he leaves politics out of it then it is not political.


"Do you know the difference between a War Story and a Fairy Tale?"
by RedstateLib on Sun Jul 13, 2008 at 10:05:09 PM EST

Red...you made your point..I think it's time to (2.00 / 5)

let it go. Please note that there must be a reason why every sensible person I know in this blog are riled up about your notes.


by louisprandtl on Sun Jul 13, 2008 at 10:53:38 PM EST
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