McCain Camp: U.S is a "Nation of Whiners"

TPM: has broken a story that McCain Advisor Phil Gramm had this to say concerning Americans fears of a recession

"You've heard of mental depression; this is a mental recession," he said, noting that growth has held up at about 1 percent despite all the publicity over losing jobs to India, China, illegal immigration, housing and credit problems and record oil prices. "We may have a recession; we haven't had one yet."

amazing isn't it, its all in our heads, there is nothing wrong everything is fine, people are freaking out over nothing.

he went on to say


"We have sort of become a nation of whiners," he said. "You just hear this constant whining, complaining about a loss of competitiveness, America in decline" despite a major export boom that is the primary reason that growth continues in the economy, he said.

Jumping on this The DNC responded:

What John McCain, George Bush Phil Gramm just don't understand is that the American people aren't whining about the state of the economy, they are suffering under the weight of it -- the weight of eight years of Bush-enomics that John McCain and Phil Gramm have vowed to continue. How dare John McCain and his advisers so callously dismiss the challenges the American people face. no wonder voters feel John McCain is out of touch, he and his campaign don't even understand the everyday issues Americans are dealing with."

TPM wonders and I do too, will the MSM pick this up? and what easy softball headline will the AP give this one?

time will tell on this one

Update [2008-7-10 12:11:32 by TruthMatters]: realizing just how bad this could be for him the McCain Camp is distancing themselves from the statement

"Phil Gramm's comments are not representative of John McCain's views. John McCain travels the country every day talking to Americans who are hurting, feeling pain at the pump and worrying about how they'll pay their mortgage. That's why he has a realistic plan to deliver immediate relief at the gas pump, grow our economy and put Americans back to work."

McCain himself will adress this personally to reporters later today. Between this and his recent statements on social security calling it a "disgrace" I don't think this will kill the story for him

Update [2008-7-10 12:29:12 by TruthMatters]: Obama camp is now joining the fray with this response

"One of Senator McCain's top economic advisors may think that when people are struggling with lost jobs, stagnant wages, and the rising costs of everything from gas to groceries, it's merely a 'mental recession'. And Senator McCain may think it's sufficient to offer energy proposals that he admits will have mainly 'psychological' benefits. But the American people know that our economic problems aren't just in their heads. They don't need psychological relief - they need real relief - and that's what Barack Obama will provide as President."



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U.S is a "Nation of Whiners" (2.00 / 7)

good to know what the McCain camp thinks about when they consider the plight of millions of Americans trapped under the weight of the current economic nightmares.

stop whining its in your head.


Obama said, as Bill beamed. "Thank you, President Clinton."
by TruthMatters on Thu Jul 10, 2008 at 11:23:41 AM EST

I hope to hear about this everyday until Nov. (2.00 / 1)


This story must be pushed by the Big O.  Every campaign stop "John McCain's advisors say Americans are whiners....."

He needs to say this every day until Nov.

I am in MN and never see him on TV and only see McCain, it would be good to see Obama push this.


by gil44 on Thu Jul 10, 2008 at 12:39:59 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: U.S is a "Nation of Whiners" (none / 0)

Well they solved that problem didn't they. Rec


by Politicalslave on Fri Jul 11, 2008 at 02:20:45 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: McCain Camp: U.S is a (2.00 / 4)

I think Gramm is 100% correct. Americans have become a bunch of timid whiners about this non-existent recession. Show me the gas station that won't accept optimism as payment for a fill-up. Show me the bank that wouldn't be glad to have your mortgage paid in can-do attitude. Show me the employer who isn't supplementing stagnant wages with a heaping helping of hopefulness and confidence.

Preach on, brother Gramm!!


by Johnny Gentle Famous Crooner on Thu Jul 10, 2008 at 11:28:29 AM EST

Re: McCain Camp: U.S is a (none / 0)

Your sarcasm aside, I disagree with you.

Yes, there is a recession.  Yes gas prices are going up.  Yes, some people got in over their heads with their mortgages.

But, on the other hand, things are still very good.  Show me the hungry masses that is dying for a loaf of bread!  I could point to several places where, indeed, people are dying of hunger...of malnutrition...of disease.

Things are still very good in the US!!


If you follow history with a long enough arc, things always get better, and the truth always prevails...Gandhi
by SevenStrings on Thu Jul 10, 2008 at 12:30:24 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: McCain Camp: U.S is a (2.00 / 1)

so you are saying that untill things in the U.S, one of the richest countries in the world, are as bad as they are in Africa Americans have no reason to complain?


Obama said, as Bill beamed. "Thank you, President Clinton."
by TruthMatters on Thu Jul 10, 2008 at 12:33:57 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: McCain Camp: U.S is a (none / 0)

Did you hear me say that ?  

Or are you simply pretending to hear what you think you heard me say because that is convenient for your beliefs ?


If you follow history with a long enough arc, things always get better, and the truth always prevails...Gandhi
by SevenStrings on Thu Jul 10, 2008 at 12:35:51 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: McCain Camp: U.S is a (2.00 / 3)

Yes that is exaclty what you said:

"I could point to several places where, indeed, people are dying of hunger...of malnutrition...of disease."


by gil44 on Thu Jul 10, 2008 at 12:43:06 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: McCain Camp: U.S is a (none / 0)

And indeed, I did say that I could point to several places where people are dying of hunger etc.

But no, I did not say that we should not complain until we get to that point.

The 2nd part...is in your head!!


If you follow history with a long enough arc, things always get better, and the truth always prevails...Gandhi
by SevenStrings on Thu Jul 10, 2008 at 12:48:13 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: McCain Camp: U.S is a (none / 0)

In all seriousness that's what I got from your statement as well.  That until we reach third world status things will be just fine and dandy.

If you meant something else, please clarify.


by MeganLocke on Fri Jul 11, 2008 at 12:15:48 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Er... (2.00 / 3)

No, that basically is what you were saying.

You were giving the "starving children in Ethiopia" argument that my mom gave to get me to eat my peas.


In this avalanche, the pebbles get to vote.
by Dracomicron on Thu Jul 10, 2008 at 12:48:09 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Er... (none / 0)

Your Mom gave you that starving children in Ethiopia argument to make you eat your peas.

I pointed to the starving children around the world to make you remember how good you still have it.

There is a difference... and indeed, it is "mental"


If you follow history with a long enough arc, things always get better, and the truth always prevails...Gandhi
by SevenStrings on Thu Jul 10, 2008 at 12:50:03 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Er... (none / 0)

I'll be sure to point that out to the four families on my block that moved out of the empty houses that are sitting there with for sale signs in the yards. I'll also point that out to my friend who just got laid off because his company had to cut back due to the substantial increase they have seen in transportation costs.


"The true measure of a man is how he treats someone who can do him absolutely no good." Samuel Johnson
by MS01 Indie on Thu Jul 10, 2008 at 12:58:31 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Er... (none / 0)

You do that!

And I will ask my friend to tell the biological siblings of his son (who is adopted from Ethiopia) call), to thank their stars that they are just as unfortunate as those poor unfortunate souls in the US.

Jimmy Carter might take issue with that... he, too, called the US a nation of whiners..back in 1970!!


If you follow history with a long enough arc, things always get better, and the truth always prevails...Gandhi
by SevenStrings on Thu Jul 10, 2008 at 01:03:36 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Er... (none / 0)

We don't live in Ethiopia, nor was Gramm talking about Ethiopia. He was talking about America. Things might be pretty good for you, but that doesn't make them good for everyone. There are people losing their homes. There are almost 50 million people in this country without health insurance. I'm one of them. There are more people in poverty today than there were 7 years ago. The middle class has been shrinking under every president since Reagan, except under Bill Clinton. The earning power of the middle class has dropped while corporate profits have skyrocketed. Now tell me again how people in America have nothing to complain about.


"The true measure of a man is how he treats someone who can do him absolutely no good." Samuel Johnson
by MS01 Indie on Fri Jul 11, 2008 at 01:58:46 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Er... (none / 0)

Yes - class is entirely a social phenomenon as Marx pointed out.  You can do a mental experiment and put a middle class family into the 1700s and they would be regarded as living in luxury beyond imagination.

But what is your point?  We're all glad to live in a rich nation.  And we all agree that high unemployment is bad and should be corrected, even if someone, somewhere, has it worse.


by MeganLocke on Fri Jul 11, 2008 at 12:18:30 AM EST
[ Parent ]

New National Slogan (2.00 / 2)

What's Latin for "Hey, at least we're not a dystopian cesspit of failure... yet"?


by Homebrewer on Thu Jul 10, 2008 at 02:49:05 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Hey Seven Strings (2.00 / 1)

catch a plane to Detroit.
From there I'll fly you up to Flint.
Sexism is real.
by grassrootsorganizer on Thu Jul 10, 2008 at 07:13:02 PM EST
[ Parent ]

you need to get out more (2.00 / 1)

I'll ask you this -- when is the last time you actually looked a homeless person in the face? Have you ever been inside the home of a truly poor American?  

I have stood face to face with homeless persons in Detroit that are emaciated, covered with sores, missing limbs and dressed, literally, in tattered rags.  There are nowhere near enough shelters to service them all.  Walk one block in midtown Detroit and you will meet at least three of them and be reminded of Calcutta.

There are folks out there who are disabled by fate, age or the lack of healthcare without teeth in their mouth, who cannot move and so sit in their own filth until someone can get to them.  There are people out there caring for disabled loved ones who must choose between their own medications and adult diapers for their son, between food and a doctor visit, between baby food and rent.  There are people out there who can't leave their homes in winter because the only shoes they can afford that fit are bedroom slippers.

There are families out there split apart, three kids living in three different homes that would take them in because their single parent can't afford a home for them. There are migrant workers out there living 20 to an unairconditioned 20 foot trailer.  There are people out there sleeping in waiting rooms of public hospitals, in bus depots, in vacant buildings because they have nowhere else to go.

There are Americans out there without the means to fight the vermin in their homes or the demons in their heads, who exist on what they can find or beg in this richest country on earth.

I know because I have met these people, face to face, dozens of them, in the past year.

SOME of us are lucky to live in this country but not ALL of us.  SOME of us are living in third world conditions within the United States -- invisible and ignored.


Sexism is real.
by grassrootsorganizer on Fri Jul 11, 2008 at 06:17:39 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: you need to get out more (none / 0)

I think you assume too much of people... always a very dangerous thing to do.

You have no reason to know this... but I grew up watching my mother scavenge for firewood.  I suspect I know more about homelessness than you can possibly learn in 7 lifetimes!!


If you follow history with a long enough arc, things always get better, and the truth always prevails...Gandhi
by SevenStrings on Thu Jul 17, 2008 at 02:55:56 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Obama should push back even harder. (2.00 / 13)

"John McCain's campaign is calling people who have lost their jobs 'whiners.'  He's just another out-of-touch superwealthy, country club Republican who doesn't care about ordinary people trying to make ends meet."


by Geekesque on Thu Jul 10, 2008 at 11:29:16 AM EST

Where is Obama on this one!!!!!!!!!! (2.00 / 2)

how many times is Obama going to refuse to get in front of the camera and help drive a news story by slapping down McCain

social security is a "disgrace" got no attention in the real world.

Where o where is Obama?

graham is a top economic guru for McCain

http://www.mcclatchydc.com/226/story/432 05.html


McCain - a serial Opportunist, from marriage to policy positions
by TarHeel on Thu Jul 10, 2008 at 12:01:35 PM EST
[ Parent ]

In all fairness to Obama, he could (2.00 / 3)

stand on the corner soapbox and scream until his eyes popped out and the MSM would still give a big "ho-hum" re anything that hurts McCain. Remember, keeping this race a "horse-race" is imperative for ratings, and we are seeing this daily. Obama has been calling McCain out constantly but it isn't getting the traction it deserves because of the "horse-race = good ratings" theory of "pisses me off to no end" journalism.


Obama supporter working to defeat McCain.
by Rumarhazzit on Thu Jul 10, 2008 at 12:25:06 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: In all fairness to Obama, he could (2.00 / 2)

He needs to be saying these things on every stump speech, his surrogates need to be saying it every time they are on the talk shows.

That is how things get traction.


by gil44 on Thu Jul 10, 2008 at 12:48:32 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: In all fairness to Obama, he could (none / 0)

I absolutely agree with you. Push this thing for all it is worth on every front. Scream it from every mountain top and let it ring out on every battlefield. You people are all just crazy for thinking anything is wrong!


The Moose is on the loose. "And I scream at the top of my lungs, what's going on?"
by Hollede on Thu Jul 10, 2008 at 04:16:23 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: In all fairness to Obama, he could (none / 0)

Er, uh, John McCain thinks that you people are all just crazy for thinking anything is wrong! Just get over it already!


The Moose is on the loose. "And I scream at the top of my lungs, what's going on?"
by Hollede on Thu Jul 10, 2008 at 04:18:26 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Where is Obama on this one!!!!!!!!!! (2.00 / 1)

Didn't you hear OBama say how we don't need another Dr. Phil  He was great. It was all over CNN


by Politicalslave on Fri Jul 11, 2008 at 06:32:41 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Nice one, Phil (2.00 / 4)

Considering that Gramm has been on the "evil" side of just about every financial scandal so far this century, he's really not in a position to blame American psychology for anything.


In this avalanche, the pebbles get to vote.
by Dracomicron on Thu Jul 10, 2008 at 11:29:51 AM EST

AP (2.00 / 6)

I expect the AP to claim that Gramm meant to say we're a "nation of winners." It was all just a big misunderstanding. Meanwhile, Obama wants to force your kid to speak Mexican.


by DPW on Thu Jul 10, 2008 at 11:31:29 AM EST

The haves and the have mores!!!! (2.00 / 5)

Why Yes, Harumpf!

Phil (I call all my buds by their first name, no disrespect) has it right as usual!

Those LITTLE people are ALWAYS complaining about something, instead of excepting their corporate masters, OH, I meant "The free market."

Now, excuse me, I have to go pick up the Ferrari, the Lamborgini is in the shop, and my daughter Muffy and her boyfriend Todd borrowed the Mercedes to head to our beach place for the weekend.


My mom believed in Jesus, the Pope and FDR..... Just not necessarily in that order.
by WashStateBlue on Thu Jul 10, 2008 at 11:32:13 AM EST

U.S is a "Nation of Whiners" (2.00 / 3)

Makes "malaise" seem pretty tame. Hopefully the Obama campaign will push it with the press.


by Beren on Thu Jul 10, 2008 at 11:37:28 AM EST

Re: U.S is a "Nation of Whiners" (2.00 / 1)

Come on guys, the economy is great for people like gramm, McCain and the like, why can't you be happy for them. his comment in this speech about exporting is great too, yeah, it's fabulous we are exporting more, except the fact that it is solely due to the fact that the dollar is worth 1/3rd what it was 7 years ago...Good times...And since the stock market has moved 0 in 8 years, i guess comapnies are really seeing their worth skyrocket???


by Dog Chains on Thu Jul 10, 2008 at 11:37:38 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: U.S is a "Nation of Whiners" (2.00 / 5)

This comment has to be spread far and wide. The McCain SS comments, also. These guys are making it almost too easy.

It will be important to point out Graham's connection to the Enron loophole when talking about this latest comment. Nation of whiners, indeed. That will play well in middle-america.


"The true measure of a man is how he treats someone who can do him absolutely no good." Samuel Johnson
by MS01 Indie on Thu Jul 10, 2008 at 11:41:52 AM EST

Re: (2.00 / 6)

This is great.  There needs to be at least one diary highlighting McCain's stances/gaffes on the Rec List at all times.  It's sort of sad that the bar has to be set that low.


by rfahey22 on Thu Jul 10, 2008 at 11:44:25 AM EST

Re: McCain Camp: (2.00 / 3)

What is unbelievable to me is that McCain makes outrageous statements after another, and the press continues to give him a free pass, acting as if it is "McCain being McCain."  

But, when Obama uses the word "refine" to talk about his stance on Iraq, the media goes ballistic and charges of flip-flopping dominate the airwaves as both conservative and liberal pundits excoriate Obama.  

If Obama had said the US was a bunch of whiners, or if he joked cigarettes are a way of killing Iranians, or if he got into a dust-up with a veteran questioner at a townhall meeting, the pundits would be calling for his head.  


by ProfessorReo on Thu Jul 10, 2008 at 12:02:25 PM EST

it's going to take Obama on camera (none / 0)

saying something harsh and releasing a youtube of McCain saying the same thing and find Bush doing it to



McCain - a serial Opportunist, from marriage to policy positions
by TarHeel on Thu Jul 10, 2008 at 12:09:44 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: McCain Camp: (none / 0)

I wonder how we can change this. I mean Americans like fairness, why can't we show how the media has rules for republicans and rules for Democrats, and how they are not fair. We have to do this without sounding like whiners though.


The Moose is on the loose. "And I scream at the top of my lungs, what's going on?"
by Hollede on Thu Jul 10, 2008 at 04:24:57 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: McCain Camp: (none / 0)

But Media and Americans think alike about the parties too: yeah Republicans are rich assholes trying to limit spending, of course, but democrats are like innocent unselfish do-gooders trying to save the world, so if they say something that does not fit into that category, the Media is like, WTF, OMG, CAN YOU BELIEVE.  Meanwhile McCain gets to call Asians "gooks", women "Cunts", and American's "whiners" because he is a republican/asshole, so you know, it's all good because it's expected.


by KLRinLA on Thu Jul 10, 2008 at 06:08:47 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: McCain Camp: (none / 0)

Yeah. As a fair minded American I find the double standard to be unimaginably offensive.


The Moose is on the loose. "And I scream at the top of my lungs, what's going on?"
by Hollede on Thu Jul 10, 2008 at 07:10:46 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: McCain Camp: (none / 0)

I mean I think the pulse of America isn't that simple and cynical as I stated (projecting of course), we are witnessing a reactionary ripple throughout the Nation to blue, Repubs afraid to be Repubs, Repub party leaders admitting their brand sucks, so America is sick of the lying, cheating, stealing, defrauding, misrepresenting of the Repubs, but I think the media is unfortunately not as perceptive as they think (or the fact that they are owned by Large Corps. that expect and demand full service by the repubs)


by KLRinLA on Thu Jul 10, 2008 at 07:46:41 PM EST
[ Parent ]

We are a bunch of whiners. (2.00 / 7)

We are a nation of whiners:  Multi-millionaires like McCain and Phil Gramm refuse to pay even a few more dollars in taxes to support the things that have made this country great:  infrastructure, a middle class, education, research and technology.


by the mollusk on Thu Jul 10, 2008 at 12:17:54 PM EST

great phrase (none / 0)

to bad the obama campaign is releasing phrases like that..


McCain - a serial Opportunist, from marriage to policy positions
by TarHeel on Thu Jul 10, 2008 at 12:24:58 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Whiners (2.00 / 1)

Too bad you have to turn a McCain campaign slip into an Obama campaign sideswipe. Didn't you see the riposte?

The American people know that our economic problems aren't just in their heads. They don't need psychological relief - they need real relief - and that's what Barack Obama will provide as President.


The Moose is Loose!
by duende on Thu Jul 10, 2008 at 12:34:41 PM EST
[ Parent ]

that's not as funny (none / 0)

as saying the whining is coming from mccain's base of multimillionaires who don't want to pay a bit more for the benefit of the country.


McCain - a serial Opportunist, from marriage to policy positions
by TarHeel on Thu Jul 10, 2008 at 12:39:05 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: that's not as funny (none / 0)

That's true :-)


The Moose is Loose!
by duende on Thu Jul 10, 2008 at 12:44:41 PM EST
[ Parent ]

This is better (2.00 / 4)

Barack Obama today

"We don't need another Dr. Phil! We need solutions! It's not just a figment of your imagination. It's not all in your head. When people are struggling to buy gas and groceries....When people are losing their homes...It's not a figment of your imagination. And it's not too much to ask for the government to step in and give you some relief. It's time to have a president who doesn't deny our problems or pretend they don't exist. It's time we had a president who takes responsibility."

What do you want as a side order with your hat?


The Moose is Loose!
by duende on Thu Jul 10, 2008 at 04:04:19 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Yes, I've heard of mental depression, Mr. Gramm (2.00 / 1)

"You've heard of mental depression; this is a mental recession,"

Gramm. Dude. Folks in my family have chronic depression. Kindly don't make light of a serious disorder with a 15% mortality rate that causes an incredible amount of misery and is not taken seriously by far too many people.

"Mental recession"...God!  The only mental recession around here is the one where Gramm's brains have receded right out of his head.

Yeah, I'm jumping on this particular sentence instead of the "whiners" one because I wanted to point out that this statement is deeply offensive on many levels.

(Oh, does anyone know why I keep getting a "subject too long error" when I count the characters and they are well short of the allowed 50?)


by SuGeAtARC on Thu Jul 10, 2008 at 12:21:44 PM EST

It's easy (none / 0)

SuGeAtARC, that one confused the heck out of me for quite some time. Just change the title to less than 50 characters. Oh and your comment, mojo'd.


The Moose is on the loose. "And I scream at the top of my lungs, what's going on?"
by Hollede on Thu Jul 10, 2008 at 05:03:35 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Do We Have Malaise in this Country? (2.00 / 1)

Is McCain running for Jimmy Carter's second term?


Dizzy Zzyzzy
by Zzyzzy on Thu Jul 10, 2008 at 12:34:18 PM EST

Re: Do We Have Malaise in this Country? (2.00 / 3)

I think he is running for Bob Dole's first term.

And, going to get the same results.


My mom believed in Jesus, the Pope and FDR..... Just not necessarily in that order.
by WashStateBlue on Thu Jul 10, 2008 at 12:38:31 PM EST
[ Parent ]

U.S is a "Nation of Whiners" (none / 0)

It appears as if we have an attempt to start a new meme. If the Obama camp doesn't respond in 30 seconds to some gaffe by the McCain camp, we get these diaries whining about the lack of response. When someone points out that the Obama camp did indeed respond the complainers come back with, "Well, it wasn't a strong enough response." Or, "I haven't seen anything." As if that means something.


"The true measure of a man is how he treats someone who can do him absolutely no good." Samuel Johnson
by MS01 Indie on Thu Jul 10, 2008 at 01:03:46 PM EST

why didn't the (none / 0)

social security is a disgrace comment ever make it in to the public discourse?

jesse jackson, obama making your kid speak spanish sure did.


McCain - a serial Opportunist, from marriage to policy positions
by TarHeel on Thu Jul 10, 2008 at 01:09:43 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: why didn't the (none / 0)

How can you say it hasn't made it into the public discourse? We are talking about it right here aren't we? It isn't something that is hidden away, like White House emails. There are several posts about it on youtube. Those videos are getting plenty of views and are embedded in lots of blogs, including blogs with large audiences. It got a mention on some news shows. The Obama camp had a response for it within hours of McCain's comments becoming known.

There are still four months to go until the election. This comment will be one of many that McCain gets hammered on by the Obama campaign. I am willing to take a bet right not that this exact comment will appear in at least one campaign ad. Probably in more than one. It will also find it's way into Obama speeches. Just like McCain's "bomb, bomb, bomb, bomb, bomb Iran" gaffe and the "100 years" comments did.


"The true measure of a man is how he treats someone who can do him absolutely no good." Samuel Johnson
by MS01 Indie on Thu Jul 10, 2008 at 01:21:47 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: why didn't the (none / 0)

"right now" not "right not"


"The true measure of a man is how he treats someone who can do him absolutely no good." Samuel Johnson
by MS01 Indie on Thu Jul 10, 2008 at 01:22:45 PM EST
[ Parent ]

the blogosophere only counts (none / 0)

if the cable news and print media talk about it..

I'm fairly certain if the blogosophere was what mattered Obama would get 90% of the vote


McCain - a serial Opportunist, from marriage to policy positions
by TarHeel on Thu Jul 10, 2008 at 01:28:05 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: McCain Camp (2.00 / 3)

seriously what an asshole thing to say, Phil.


by alyssa chaos on Thu Jul 10, 2008 at 02:27:08 PM EST

The punchback (2.00 / 4)

Barack's response

"We don't need another Dr. Phil! We need solutions! It's not just a figment of your imagination. It's not all in your head. When people are struggling to buy gas and groceries....When people are losing their homes...It's not a figment of your imagination. And it's not too much to ask for the government to step in and give you some relief. It's time to have a president who doesn't deny our problems or pretend they don't exist. It's time we had a president who takes responsibility."

Oof. That's gonna leave some marks


The Moose is Loose!
by duende on Thu Jul 10, 2008 at 04:05:47 PM EST

Re: The punchback (2.00 / 1)

"It's time we had a president who takes responsibility."

It's way PAST time we have a President who takes responsibility.

Counting down to November......


My mom believed in Jesus, the Pope and FDR..... Just not necessarily in that order.
by WashStateBlue on Thu Jul 10, 2008 at 04:38:28 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Oh Phil, I love you. (none / 0)

McCain and his ilk are just the gift that keeps on giving. Is it on tape? (please, please, please)


The Moose is on the loose. "And I scream at the top of my lungs, what's going on?"
by Hollede on Thu Jul 10, 2008 at 04:13:39 PM EST

McCain Camp (2.00 / 2)

Not saying that this is not the way that McCain thinks, but you know, every campaign has a bunch of loose cannons, and Phil was born whining, himself.  I used to think that about him with his sniveling whiney voice.  He is an asshole unlike no other, and he does not necessarily represent anyone but himself.  Somehow, I don't see McCain having that view of Americans, but we will see how anxious he is to get rid on him now that the word is out.


by Scotch on Thu Jul 10, 2008 at 04:36:32 PM EST

Re: McCain Camp (none / 0)

That's very reasonable of you, Scotch. I'll bet you would be just as understanding if one of Obama's top advisors made such a silly statement. Oh, wait a minute...


"The true measure of a man is how he treats someone who can do him absolutely no good." Samuel Johnson
by MS01 Indie on Thu Jul 10, 2008 at 04:40:38 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: McCain Camp (2.00 / 2)

Sorry if my words hurt your eyes.  I don't have to go in lock step with every single thought that runs through your mind, do I?  I mean that should be posted somewhere if I do.  I have to put my hate cap on for every republican and every statement made by them, and my love cap on for every democrat and statement made by one.  Sortof an automatic pilot thing where I will not have to think critically anymore. Automatic hate, automatic love. Got it.  I did not know that.


by Scotch on Thu Jul 10, 2008 at 04:49:01 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: McCain Camp (2.00 / 1)

Your words would make sense if you didn't do just the opposite. Offer excuses for the Repugs and trash the Dem candidate at every turn. Your outrage is a little over the top.


"The true measure of a man is how he treats someone who can do him absolutely no good." Samuel Johnson
by MS01 Indie on Thu Jul 10, 2008 at 04:51:29 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: McCain Camp (2.00 / 2)

I offer excuses for Republicans, where?  If you call that offering an excuse, you're over reacting.


by Scotch on Thu Jul 10, 2008 at 05:22:32 PM EST
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Re: McCain Camp (none / 0)

To each, his own. You see it your way and I see it mine. Others can make up their own minds about it.


"The true measure of a man is how he treats someone who can do him absolutely no good." Samuel Johnson
by MS01 Indie on Thu Jul 10, 2008 at 05:29:09 PM EST
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Just curious, it sort of seems like you are defending McCain, against something I see as a slam dunk. Why?


The Moose is on the loose. "And I scream at the top of my lungs, what's going on?"
by Hollede on Thu Jul 10, 2008 at 04:57:25 PM EST
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I hardly think that thinking maybe McCain doesn't have exactly the same mindset as Gramm is defending him.  It was a remark that varied from the script I know, but it doesn't mean I love McCain.  Funny how, if you say one sentance that states something other than pure hatred for McCain, a  virtual meltdown begins. If you can't look at some aspects of an election with an objective mind, you're in trouble because you lose all ability to experience it the same as much of the public does.  I actually can look at some things about McCain without experiencing hatred in my veins and still be against him as a possible president.


by Scotch on Thu Jul 10, 2008 at 05:09:02 PM EST
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"Somehow, I don't see McCain having that view of Americans, but we will see how anxious he is to get rid on him now that the word is out."

I guess I could just think of you as a really nice guy, giving McCain such a break in this election cycle. My only question is, how do you treat Obama? Are you so magnanimous with him?


The Moose is on the loose. "And I scream at the top of my lungs, what's going on?"
by Hollede on Thu Jul 10, 2008 at 05:47:24 PM EST
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Maybe I should just look ad see.


The Moose is on the loose. "And I scream at the top of my lungs, what's going on?"
by Hollede on Thu Jul 10, 2008 at 05:48:13 PM EST
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No melt down here though, just a few questions?


The Moose is on the loose. "And I scream at the top of my lungs, what's going on?"
by Hollede on Thu Jul 10, 2008 at 05:49:57 PM EST
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Where did you go? No response? It was just a simple question.


The Moose is on the loose. "And I scream at the top of my lungs, what's going on?"
by Hollede on Thu Jul 10, 2008 at 07:11:59 PM EST
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Since McCain has admitted on camera several times that he has a very limited understanding of economics, logic dictates that McCain's economic policy is in large part crafted by his chief economic adviser, Phil Gramm.


by Sarcastro on Thu Jul 10, 2008 at 08:51:53 PM EST
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I was thinking the same thing - you can't get more consequential than Phil Gramm saying that we're a nation of whiners.  Maybe those aren't the words that McCain would use; maybe McCain doesn't know what to think, but Phil Gramm is the guy who's going to set economic policy.


by MeganLocke on Fri Jul 11, 2008 at 03:35:50 AM EST
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This is a guy who is dep chairman of a swiss bank UBS that has lost about 19 billion in the housing bust and is under investigation by the IRS for hiding billions of dollars of income by tax evadibng US wealthy taxpayers.


by ottovbvs on Thu Jul 10, 2008 at 04:45:08 PM EST

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You know, between McCain saying we're whiners and Michelle Obama saying we're just downright mean, I don't know where to look for an encouraging word.


by Montague on Fri Jul 11, 2008 at 12:05:25 PM EST

Sad. (2.00 / 1)

Shouldn't McCain at least try and make us work for this?  He's just handing states to Obama right now.  

McCain/Gramm 08!!!


Another Clintonista against John McCain
by psychodrew on Fri Jul 11, 2008 at 12:09:47 PM EST

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"McCain/Gramm 08!!!

Wow, the all-cranky ticket!

They can scream "Get off my lawn, you young wipersnapers" in two part harmony!


My mom believed in Jesus, the Pope and FDR..... Just not necessarily in that order.
by WashStateBlue on Fri Jul 11, 2008 at 12:18:20 PM EST
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Phil Gramm can bankroll the pornography and John McCain can watch it.

Old Texas scandle.  Yes, Phil Gramm is a smut-peddler.


by MeganLocke on Fri Jul 11, 2008 at 12:47:03 PM EST
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Winners, not whiners. (2.00 / 1)

Guys, it's WINNERS.

We are a nation of "winners".  Somebody obviously doctored the Phil Gramm tape because god knows Republicans would never look down on people.  They're the salt of the earth.


by MeganLocke on Fri Jul 11, 2008 at 12:45:58 PM EST


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