Why Clinton Stays In

Let's face it- even we Clinton supporters know that Obama is virtually certain to be the nominee. It's an unbelievably unwise choice, in my estimation, but it's there. Obama exceeded expectations in North Carolina and Clinton was about four points below expectations in Indiana.

Not much changed in terms of the predicament that we find ourselves in, which was bad news for Hillary. But, what did change was the overwhelming media narrative for Clinton to get out by Obama's enthusiasts in the national media and nervous party bosses who are worried about Clinton harming Obama's electability in the fall (and he certainly doesn't need any help in that department.)

Why is Clinton vowing to stay in?

A few ideas:

1. She wants to see if Obama implodes.

2. Force a floor fight re: Florida and Michigan. (I think that this is the likely reason.) Donna Brazile showed her cards last night. Tom Daschle was incredibly smug when asked about the delegations from Florida and Michigan. The chances of the delegations being seated based on the primaries at the meeting on 5/31 are close to nil. She might want to make the point- loud and clear- that if these contests counted she would either be the nominee or be close to the nomination. Her floor fight wouldn't be successful, but it would certainly make a clear point.

3. With her delegate strength (a runner-up with nearly 48% of the delegates and a certain fondness from a lot of Obama delegates), she might try to force her way onto the ticket. She would almost certainly be successful. While I think that it would be funny to watch, I hope this isn't the reason. I don't want her to be on a ticket with Obama.

After all,

*Obama had the support of almost the entirety of the national media.

*The DNC took the bait of the GOP Florida legislature and muted out an important state primary (probably a momentum builder).

*Obama steamrolled the process to have Florida and Michigan count and make this a fair fight back in March.

*The most powerful Democrat in the country, Nancy Pelosi, led a daily chorus opaquely chiding Clinton for remaining in the race.

*The blogosphere has been pounding it into everyone's heads that there was no chance for Clinton to win for over three months.

And he still only will have won by a miniscule amount.

Keep up the fight until the end of the primary season in a month. Get every delegate and vote that you can. Then, let him have it. If he loses the election, there's always four years from now. Maybe a fairer and more democratic process can be designed and implemented before then.



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Re: Why Clinton Stays In (none / 0)

As an Obama supporter, I want her to stay in. Wait until Oregon, when he can clinch a pledged delegate lead.

Also, Obama had some lovely states for him in February. Senator Clinton has some great states now, and I'm not against letting them have a voice.


by Falsehood on Wed May 07, 2008 at 06:37:43 PM EST

clinch a pledged delegate lead? (none / 0)

That would take a majority, not a plurality. Do you really think Obama could get even 2025 without needing Superdelegates, much less the new magic number (2209 or whatever it is if FL/MI come in)?


by 1950democrat on Wed May 07, 2008 at 09:40:58 PM EST
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Re: clinch a pledged delegate lead? (none / 0)

Nope - but supers won't be happy about reversing the pledged delegates, and he will win that category when he gets 33 more of them.


by Falsehood on Wed May 07, 2008 at 09:57:23 PM EST
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Re: clinch a pledged delegate lead? (none / 0)

Winning the majority of elected delegates has nothing to do with getting to 2025. It just means that he will have a majority of elected delegates such that Senator Clinton could win every remaining elected delegate and still not beat him in that category. Just like he already has won the majority of total contests. She could win every remaining state and still not win more contests then he has.


Proudly joining the legions of people and states that don't matter on May 20th.
by Obama Independent on Wed May 07, 2008 at 10:06:46 PM EST
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If Hillary Clinton (2.00 / 0)


   is a victim...I'm a brain surgeon.

  Seriously, she got beat. I feel bad for her supporters...I know how it feels...as I was a John Edwards supporter.

  But diaries continuing to claim that Clinton is a victim of a venegeful media or a DNC conspiracy are ridiculous.

  Clinton had every advantage...and she blew it. She has no one to blame but herself.


by southernman on Wed May 07, 2008 at 06:40:34 PM EST

Don't feel bad for us (2.00 / 2)

I feel bad for the johnny-come-lately Obama pile on people (not the true blue ones) who thrive on the fuel of making fun of others who dare to compete.


by catfish1 on Wed May 07, 2008 at 07:02:50 PM EST
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Re: Don't feel bad for us (none / 0)


   I feel ya on that...but I'm safe from that. I've opposed her from the start...=)
by southernman on Wed May 07, 2008 at 11:09:39 PM EST
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Re: If Hillary Clinton (none / 0)

"Clinton had every advantage...and she blew it. She has no one to blame but herself."

Well she could blame the incompetents with whom she surrounded herself, including Mark Penn and Patty Solis Doyle. Wait a minute, she picked those people. Come to think of it, she does have no one to blame but herself.


"No matter what happens, I will work for the nominee of the Democratic Party because we must win in November." -Hillary Clinton
by fugazi on Wed May 07, 2008 at 11:44:33 PM EST
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Re: Why Clinton Stays In (2.00 / 1)

She is staying in for the money - plain and simple.  Bargaining power and leverage.  She wants Obama to pay off her campaign debts and give her a nice cushy place to land in exchange for not dragging this out to a messy floor fight.  Only thing she may have miscalculated on is that the supers may not let this drag out much longer.  This will be over the Oregon votes.  Take that to the bank.


Congratulations Steny Hoyer! Our 2008 Chickenshit Leader Of The Year!
by RockvilleLiberal2 on Wed May 07, 2008 at 07:39:12 PM EST

No.. (none / 0)

She is trying to get people a workable situation - a safety net, especially on healthcare - because the good jobs are going away for good and healthcare costs are the biggest factor stripping millions of people of the last equity they have, equity they will NEED in order to survive in the increasingly job-free century..

(Look up "Moore's Law" for the real reason why jobs are disappearing and relative salaries for wage labor are falling all over the world.)


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by architek on Thu May 08, 2008 at 09:00:11 AM EST
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Re: No.. (none / 0)

naive [nye-eev]
Adjective
  1. innocent and gullible
  2. simple and lacking sophistication: naive art [French, from Latin nativus native]

Congratulations Steny Hoyer! Our 2008 Chickenshit Leader Of The Year!
by RockvilleLiberal2 on Thu May 08, 2008 at 09:53:02 AM EST
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Thanks for this diary (2.00 / 2)

I see all the reasons you cited, plus her understanding (supported by many) that Obama will lose the General. Staying in to see him implode is clearly a reason, as over confidence of the Obama campaign has sometimes led to a cockiness (e.g., San Francisco remarks) that doesn't sit well with many people.  I know she wants everyone to see what they are getting with Obama, and the remaining month will be a good way to guage his behavior.  Especially we will see if he has any "substance under his rhetoric", as JRE lamented a few days ago.

Stated simply, and imho, Obama does not deserve HRC on the ticket, nor would his supporters stand for it (witness continued hostility to HRC now here and other places), nor would he even have the smarts to ask (unless he was forced by the DNC & supers).  

But I'm with  you,  I don't want her to run with him either.  Anyway this ends, HRC has much to contribute to our country in far greater capacities.


by 4justice on Wed May 07, 2008 at 07:43:21 PM EST

Re: Why Clinton Stays In (2.00 / 1)

I actually think it would be smart for her to stay in, because I think it might look bad if she drops out and then Obama goes on to get beat in WV and KY--I think it would be by much smaller margins that current polling but we have talked about how bad it looks for McCain when he's getting 75% of the vote in primaries even after the rest of the field has dropped out, and I don't want the media to have a negative narrative to parrot on.

I think as long as the understanding is made that there shouldn't be negative attacks either way, kind of a "unity" tour up until at least Oregon--we should have it made. With that being said, I understand why states like KY, WV, OR, PR, etc, would want this race to continue, I could just imagine how pissed I'd be if 45 states had voted, I was so close to having a say and then someone dropped out. But I do think the tone and tenor of the race need to change at this point, because it is pretty obvious that Senator Obama is our nominee.


Hillary supporter for Barack Obama in 2008
by zcflint05 on Wed May 07, 2008 at 08:16:52 PM EST

Re: Why Clinton Stays In (2.00 / 1)

Let's face it.  Unless we discover that Obama has fathered 10 illegitimate children and likes to beat up old ladies in his spare time, he's going to be the nominee.  I think Hillary has two good reasons for going forward.  

First, there needs to be some kind of resolution to the Florida and Michigan mess.  If she drops out and releases her delegates, then FL & MI can be brought back in and the DNC can avoid having to deal with this mess.

Second, she still has a strong base of supporters who will be much more inclined to support if she goes to the end and ends up with fewer delegates and votes.  If she got out now, it would appear that she were leaving under fire and her people are less likely to support Obama under those circumstances.


Another Clintonista against John McCain
by psychodrew on Wed May 07, 2008 at 08:30:59 PM EST

I suspect corruption.. (none / 0)

but I don't have any proof..

Ever see "the Godfather" on 'owned' politicians?


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by architek on Thu May 08, 2008 at 09:02:53 AM EST
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Re: Why Clinton Stays In (none / 0)

Yup!  Thank you for stating this!


truthseeker2
by truthseeker2 on Wed May 07, 2008 at 08:43:03 PM EST

I think people will rue the day they first heard (none / 0)

"Obama"

Maybe thats the whole point...


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by architek on Thu May 08, 2008 at 08:56:02 AM EST
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Re: Why Clinton Stays In (2.00 / 1)

Self serving delusion.


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by Kobi on Wed May 07, 2008 at 09:02:14 PM EST

Re: Why Clinton Stays In (2.00 / 1)

hillary should stay bacause she is a fighter, she would only lose bacause some stupid big shots will take obama, and after obama loses in a landslide, possibly losing the house with it, this big shots will all be toast    


by awayer on Wed May 07, 2008 at 09:13:43 PM EST

since Obama is an unwise choice (none / 0)

Since you agree that Obama is an unwise choice, why promote the meme that he must be the nominee?  All that's needed is for enough Superdelegates to agree with you.


by 1950democrat on Wed May 07, 2008 at 09:30:10 PM EST

Re: Why Clinton Stays In (none / 0)

I doubt it's #2, she is a very smart woman and I'm sure she realizes that even if a floor fight was attempted and even if she prevailed that the campaign season would be so late and the party so destroyed that her chances of actually becoming President would be zero.


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by Obama Independent on Wed May 07, 2008 at 10:03:38 PM EST

Re: Why Clinton Stays In (none / 0)

I think she's staying in at this point because she wants to be VP. She's trying to use her delegates to leverage an offer from Obama.  


"No matter what happens, I will work for the nominee of the Democratic Party because we must win in November." -Hillary Clinton
by fugazi on Wed May 07, 2008 at 10:58:56 PM EST

Re: Why Clinton Stays In (none / 0)

To put on record her overwhelming support among blue collar voters, hispanics, women, the AARP vote. Defining and maintaining this coalition will ensure her grip on at least 50% of party remains strong, just in case. The superdelegates know they cannot "dis" these voters, which is why they have not jumped to crown Barack just yet, although the Democratic party is expert at circular firing squads, so who knows. Hillary must add West Virginia, and if she can hold out, Kentucky, to her column, for the record. This is her "don't mess with me" insurance policy.

Go Hillary in 2012!


by superetendar on Thu May 08, 2008 at 09:40:04 AM EST


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