Hillary Clinton On This Week

This Week and Meet The Press are on up against each other here in L.A. Watching This Week now, will watch MTP later. Did you watch/are you watching now?

Update [2008-5-4 12:9:1 by Todd Beeton]:George asked some tough questions putting to rest, I think, the notion that he is in the pocket of Clinton's campaign. Actually, he was more confrontational with her than Bill O'Reilly was. Seemed like she may have been a bit shaken in the beginning by his confronting her on the gas tax holiday the way he did -- she stumbled on the "name an economist who supports the plan" question -- but she picked it up in the second half once she got to answer voters' questions. She was clear once again that she would do everything she could to make sure a Democrat is elected in November, which I believe she will despite the conspiracy theories of many to the contrary.



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Re: Hillary Clinton On This Week (2.00 / 3)

Hillary Clinton continues to pander on the gas taxes thing.  I read a writeup where she says she calls people who disagree with her stance on the gas tax elitist. Obama made a good point that Bush would never sign off on a windfall profits tax and that Hillary already promised that those taxes would be spent on other things like research on alternative fuels.

Obama on the other hand handled the ethanol question badly. Obama refused to answer in a straightforward manner a question from Russert on corn based ethanol. It is clear obama is afraid to alienate the midwestern voters in those corn states. It is obvious corn based ethanol is a big waste. It doesnt save gthe environment. It raises food prices. It is a massive diversion and a costly one at that. Obama did make a semi good point that corn based ethanol was a useful transition in figuring out alternative fuels. But he was too evasive for me to like his answer on this. Shame on you Obama. I expect more.


by Pravin on Sun May 04, 2008 at 11:14:20 AM EST

points for evenhanded (none / 0)

level headed criticism.


"Once in a while you get shown the light In the strangest of places if you look at it right"
by molly bloom on Sun May 04, 2008 at 11:48:35 AM EST
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Re: Hillary Clinton On This Week (2.00 / 0)

Hillary already promised that those taxes would be spent on other things like research on alternative fuels.

This is a false Obama talking point.

Please cite the passage in her energy plan that talks about a windfall profit tax, or what it would be spent on.  The fact is, this was a recent proposal - one which Barack decided to immitate.

Obama made a good point that Bush would never sign off on a windfall profits tax

This is actually a dumb argument.  Here's why.  When are corporate taxes for fiscal 2008 due?  March 15th, 2009.  Guess who won't be President at that time?  Dubya.

Barack was either confused or trying to confuse you.


by bobbank on Sun May 04, 2008 at 01:25:11 PM EST
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I'm not so sure the Clinton approach to "doing something" by a tax holiday is pandering.  As a person who worked at EPA for 27 years (mostly, in the air program & management), I do understand that this does nothing in the long term.  SO DOES SHE...YET, CORRECTLY SO, SHE HAS STATED ITS A START FOR THE SHORT TERM TO SHOW AMERICANS THE GOVT CARES, CAN REACT, AND CAN START TO ADDRESS THE SITUATION.  I talked with a friend today, who raised the gas tax ?, and then noted that she gets by economically month to month...and, she welcomes this as it helps (in view of the rising food costs as well.) I make quite a bit more money than my friend; I can afford to be a purist.  She reminded me that a lot of people can't.  Hillary is spot on with the tax holiday & windfall profits tax as a start.


by christinep on Sun May 04, 2008 at 04:21:25 PM EST
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Obama was treated with velvet gloves by Tim Russert. Clinton took tough questions from voters and George. Clinton did so much better than Obama.


by TexasDem4Clinton on Sun May 04, 2008 at 11:25:53 AM EST

Clinton was asked to (2.00 / 3)

defend her position on the issues.

Obama was asked to explain his relationship with Rev. Wright and defend his position on the issues.

Since Obama has a more clear less pandering positions, it just appeared that Russie was soft.


overthrow the government~participate
by missliberties on Sun May 04, 2008 at 11:35:15 AM EST
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Re: Clinton was asked to (2.00 / 1)

One thing Obama is NOT is clear.  Nor is he consistent.  Also, if you can't figure out that Russert is in the tank for the O-man, then you need to watch more carefully.


by Montague on Sun May 04, 2008 at 12:26:14 PM EST
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She trounced Obama on the one subject (2.00 / 0)

they were both asked about.
She discussed using corn husks and vegetable biproduct, instead of food product for biofuels.  Obama was talking about woodchips.
Her breadth of knowledge and understanding about national politics is so vast, and Obama's is so GQ.
by internetstar on Sun May 04, 2008 at 12:46:14 PM EST
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Re: She trounced Obama on the one subject (2.00 / 2)

It amazes me the depth of knowledge... If I were straight I would have a crush on her.


by el mito on Sun May 04, 2008 at 01:01:57 PM EST
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Re: She trounced Obama on the one subject (2.00 / 2)

LOL!  If I were gay I'd have a crush on her.


by Montague on Sun May 04, 2008 at 01:07:58 PM EST
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Re: She trounced Obama (2.00 / 1)

I'm gay and do have a crush on her.  So I win.


by bobbank on Sun May 04, 2008 at 01:26:25 PM EST
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You rock! (2.00 / 1)

:D


by Montague on Sun May 04, 2008 at 01:33:17 PM EST
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Re: She trounced Obama on the one subject (none / 0)

Where did this "So GQ" thing start? I keep seeing it popping up, a new way to diminish Obama as an effete elitist I guess.

It's really a marvel of Clinton's campaign, that somehow a supremely wealthy, well eductated person who's been a power player on the national stage for 16 years is positioning herself as a woman of the people, painting Obama, a community activist who is either the least affluent, or one of the least affluent members of congress in recent history as a rich elitist. And that despite being a college constitutional professor/lecturer who is clearly very intelligent, all y'all from SNL to here portray him as some kind of bambi bimbo or somesuch.

I mean, I don't think that works outside of the echo chamber, surely no one other than Maureen "Settin' Feminism Back a Decade per Column" Dowd sees Obama as "dumb" or "GQ", percieves Obama this way. And to pretend like you do does a disservice to anything else you might say, because you may dislike him, or think he's not qualified, or that Hillary is so much better -- whatever -- but this is just silly.

I mean, if Hillary "God Bless the Rich" really thinks this will work, God bless her, but surely she, too, knows this to be a lie, and it makes everything else she says sound especially ridiculous. Maybe I'm wrong, and it works. But no objective analysis of "intelligence" would put Obama on the lower end, and no real understanding of goverment or political, science would dismiss Obama as an "elite" (in the traditional political sense, i.e. those with power) or dismiss being "elite" as somehow a bad thing.

A bad thing outside "campaign" politics, which is a different thing; but something people at least try to not appear too blatent about.  


Fight the Smears!
by Lettuce on Sun May 04, 2008 at 01:04:13 PM EST
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Re: She trounced Obama on the one subject (none / 0)

Are people actually trying to use that "God Bless" comment in the way you just did?

I don't know if you watched the actual interview, but her handling of that moment was sheer genius.  Would you mind quoting the rest of the sentence, though?

What she said was God Bless rich people because they have the opportunity to do so much for others.  Bill'O was attempting to go on the offense with several interrupts, and she completely ju-jitsu'd him, and he was silenced.


by bobbank on Sun May 04, 2008 at 01:30:04 PM EST
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Re: She trounced Obama on the one subject (none / 0)

As a New Yorker, I can tell you Hillary is not saying she is not elitist.  Wellesley, Yale LAw, multimillionare, she knows she is blessed.

What she IS saying she will be continue to be a champion for regular working and middle class Americans.  

She has walked THAT walk here in NY as our Senator,  as our First Lady, and as Arkansas' First Lady, and we send her on to the White House with our blessing.


by dembluestates on Mon May 05, 2008 at 11:24:20 AM EST
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From what i saw Hillary looked pretty bad in questioning and she just seemed to pander throughout.


by Bobby Obama on Sun May 04, 2008 at 11:31:39 AM EST

Re: Hillary Clinton On This Week (2.00 / 4)

with a screenname like that , its hard for you to be credible.


Educated in a small town Taught to fear Jesus in a small town Used to daydream in that small town Another born romantic that's me.
by lori on Sun May 04, 2008 at 11:33:33 AM EST
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Touché lol


by el mito on Sun May 04, 2008 at 11:36:55 AM EST
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He probably didn't even watch the debate! (1.40 / 5)

Obamites never give the impression that they read or know
anything at all about their candidate.
Sadly vacuous lot.
by internetstar on Sun May 04, 2008 at 12:47:59 PM EST
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Re: He probably didn't even watch the debate! (none / 0)

"Obamites" tend to have a firmer grasp of reality, given that you still cling to the belief that Hillary is leading a viable candidacy.


by Covin on Sun May 04, 2008 at 12:55:57 PM EST
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She is the best candidate (2.00 / 2)

Why do you think cable news is trying to kill her off
like they did Al Gore and John Kerry?
Because they have the best interests of the American middle
class at heart?
We've already had 8 years of a guy you'd rather to drink a beer with.
Try using your brain to pick a candidate for a refreshing change.
by internetstar on Sun May 04, 2008 at 01:00:42 PM EST
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Re: She is the best candidate (none / 0)

Yeah like Wright being the headline on every news channel in the MSM for the last 7 weeks...whatever....


I can see Lake Erie from where I live, so can I please run the Navy?
by hootie4170 on Sun May 04, 2008 at 01:34:21 PM EST
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Re: She is the best candidate (none / 0)

Wow, stunning comment. I'm taken aback. Really.

What media narrative is trying to kill Clinton off? Hasn't the media been harping on and on about how close Clinton has supposedly kept this race? And yet, here we have another Clinton supporter creating their own little reality to feel comfortable in--one in which Clinton's eventual failure to clinch the nomination is the fault only of the biased media, and not her flawed candidacy.

After leaving such a reactionary, unsubstantial comment, you have the arrogance to tell me tell me to use my brain?

Go argue with the numbers and tell me how it goes.


by Covin on Sun May 04, 2008 at 01:46:53 PM EST
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Re: He probably didn't even watch the debate! (none / 0)

Up-rating not so much because I think it is a great post, but because I don't think it deserves to be hidden in an open thread that clearly invokes a lot of arm wrestlin'.


by bobbank on Sun May 04, 2008 at 01:31:47 PM EST
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Re: He probably didn't even watch the debate! (none / 0)

Precisely... I have seen several times when Obama supporters are asked to name Obama's accomplishments, and they fumble or stare blankly, or it's that "Aha!" moment when they realize "wait, why am i for this guy?".  it's just too funny, when they realize they've fallen for hype not hope!


by PracticalMagic on Sun May 04, 2008 at 04:53:49 PM EST
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I am sorry i do not buy into the Clinton meme, hook line and sinker like many here.  I do not believe she is the best we have to offer.


by Bobby Obama on Sun May 04, 2008 at 12:24:55 PM EST
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You believe what your TV tells you! (2.00 / 0)

Very impressive.

I bet you didn't follow the Gore or Kerry meme either.


by internetstar on Sun May 04, 2008 at 01:03:42 PM EST
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That's okay (2.00 / 0)

You buy into the Obama meme, hook, line and sinker.  

Hey, as long as you're buying into something.


by Montague on Sun May 04, 2008 at 01:10:45 PM EST
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You know what's cool? (none / 0)

Clinton is not a meme!

She's not a media construct.

She's not an advertising campaign.

She's not a "movement".

She's actually a human being who can do, and has done, the things that she says she can do.  She's actually fought to get healthcare for children and reservists.  She's actually faught to protect African Americans from disenfranchisement at the polls.  She's actually faught for human rights across the globe.

Isn't that neat?  She's just an idea.  She's a person with real accomplishment.


by bobbank on Sun May 04, 2008 at 01:33:52 PM EST
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Re: You know what's cool? (none / 0)

she's not just (typo)


by bobbank on Sun May 04, 2008 at 01:34:40 PM EST
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Questioner asks about biofuel (thank god!) (2.00 / 2)

And she brings up the worldwide food crisis (which scares the crap outta me).

She says: "Accelerate research into using farm waste. Let's use the corn stalk instead of using the corn...If we don't have strong farms at home we can't deal with either the food or fuel crisis around the world."


by catfish1 on Sun May 04, 2008 at 11:46:26 AM EST

Re: Questioner asks about biofuel (thank god!) (2.00 / 1)

That is such an astute answer.... we forget we do have in touch politicians after 8 years of Baby Bush


by el mito on Sun May 04, 2008 at 11:51:05 AM EST
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Re: Questioner asks about biofuel (thank god!) (2.00 / 1)

I had posted that on another diary.  Yes, she is correct that we should use food waste products to produce energy.  It is called biomass and it doesn't get enough (if any) media attention.


by colebiancardi on Sun May 04, 2008 at 12:01:22 PM EST
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Re: Hillary Clinton On This Week (2.00 / 2)

Hillary, as usual, was graceful, clear, precise and able to handle the tough questions.
Of course we will continue to see the hate from the Hillary Haters confirming for me more of how shallow I think that camp is.
by Jjc2008 on Sun May 04, 2008 at 11:55:39 AM EST

Re: Hillary Clinton On This Week (2.00 / 1)

She has always been that way.  Her ability to focus on issues, no matter what crap is thrown at her, is amazing and inspiring.


by Montague on Sun May 04, 2008 at 12:22:25 PM EST
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ha! you guys are funny (none / 0)

http://www.mydd.com/comments/2008/5/4/11 932/90417/20#20

same thread as this one, just look a little bit upwards.  


by ab03 on Sun May 04, 2008 at 12:57:39 PM EST
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Wow, what easy questions.  what in the world is Todd talking about?


by Bobby Obama on Sun May 04, 2008 at 12:25:23 PM EST

Magnequench (none / 0)

Any questions about the Valpo plant?  Any questions about the follow up Bayh memo blaming it on Clinton?  That would have been a tough question?

I didn't see the interview but I will admit that the economist question sounds like a tough one (if it was asked in that way).


by ab03 on Sun May 04, 2008 at 12:34:00 PM EST

So..... (none / 0)

Who was the economist that thought her gas holiday (do they have t-shirts, like Disney?) that thought it was a good idea? Anyone?


by IowaMike on Sun May 04, 2008 at 12:52:54 PM EST

Re: So..... (none / 0)

Please check out my diary on gas.  It turns out that the only serious academic study performed on the tax incidence of the federal gas tax concluded that Clinton is on the right side of the argument - consumers would capture some (not all) of the savings.


by bobbank on Sun May 04, 2008 at 01:37:26 PM EST
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Re: So..... (none / 0)

and again, the economist? May be the one that did the study?

There were studies that showed low tar cigarettes were safer.


by IowaMike on Sun May 04, 2008 at 09:32:09 PM EST
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As soon as Hillary can name an economist (none / 0)

that agrees with her gas tax holiday than I will vote for her.


by puma on Sun May 04, 2008 at 01:01:19 PM EST

Re: As soon as Hillary can name an economist (none / 0)

BTW, the economists opposition to this does NOT make sense to me -- any more than supply-side economics did during the Reagan years. I'm not an economist myself, but it seems common sense that with gas/oil we are working with a finite resource -- and hence normal principles of supply and demand may not necessarily apply. You could argue against temporary relief, or against gov. intervention -- but just asking for an expert's opinion on this when they have been so wrong about this in the recent past -- does not float my boat.

Oil confounds a lot of economists because they DON'T understand how to model it. Worse, most of them agree that given hedge funds, and futures contracts -- which are hideously hard to model, they cannot make basic predictions about the volatility of where prices will go.

I'll give you a test -- for every economist that is opining about this, try looking up what they said a year, six months or even three months ago about oil policy; Then ask yourself whom amongst them you trust.

Where's the best explanation based on fact and real models about this issue that you have read? I have looked for them, and have not found a single one that applies to the current situation at hand.


by BostonIndependent on Sun May 04, 2008 at 01:20:47 PM EST
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Re: As soon as Hillary can name an economist (none / 0)

Please see my diary on the subject.  Trying to correct a lot of misinformation out here.


by bobbank on Sun May 04, 2008 at 01:38:17 PM EST
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Re: As soon as Hillary can name an economist (none / 0)

Thank you! Rec'd. More people should read your diary before spouting of. It certainly confirmed several notions about gas that I suspected.. gotta go back and read my college text book about price elasticity .. LOL.


by BostonIndependent on Sun May 04, 2008 at 09:19:00 PM EST
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Hillary Clinton On This Week (none / 0)

Look Hillary is an excellent candidate! This is why it is so amazing Obama has done as well as he has against her. To be so far ahead of her in delegates and votes is a sign that Obama is truly more electable in the general. I don't think anyone but Hillary should tell Hillary to Quit. But I do think she shouldn't besmirch her good name and reputation by pandering and sinking to behaviours and tactics that make her seem more Rethuglican-lite that the Strong Democrat I believe she truly is.


by eddieb on Sun May 04, 2008 at 01:14:57 PM EST

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I haven't seen either interview yet, but I heard that Obama got asked about Wright (again).  Did Clinton get asked any questions about involvement with any questionable people?  Or was it all issues?


by shalca on Sun May 04, 2008 at 01:45:11 PM EST


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