Miscellaneous Concerns

This is a short diary just to see if we can stir up some conversation or information on a few outstanding variables.

Keep in mind, I think perceptions have hardened and Hillary is at a major media disadvantage.  Still there are things worth mentioning.  
 

1.  The Childers race

May 13th, the same day of the West Virginia vote, is the day of the runoff election between Travis Childers and Greg Davis in Mississippi.  This is the race where the GOP featured Childers' ties to Barack Obama as a criticism and launched a rather ludicrous (but still kind of funny, as most Gooper ads are) ad against Childers, prompting him to publicly distance himself from Barack Obama.  Most of the superdelegates who have been withholding their decision are elected officials.  It will be interesting to see what happens here.  If Childers loses, it may precipitate a theme where association with Obama is politically toxic.  

2.  Nebraska Primary

Like Washington state, Nebraska is holding a "beauty contest" primary on May 13th.  The result is nonbinding; delegates have been awarded by caucus in February.  I'm not sure if it's coupled with other races to draw voters, but assuming the results deviate from the Nebraska Caucuses significantly, it adds another piece of circumstantial evidence to the anti-caucus argument.  Also, it may help us better predict an outcome in neighboring South Dakota ("beauty contests" essentially being polls with very high sample size and low MoE).  

3.  Guam Recount

Last I heard there were hundreds of ballots in Dededo that were "wet" (?) and a recount was supposed to occur early last week.  I haven't found any information about it though.  Obama won Guam by 7 votes and the spoiled ballots were mostly concentrated in the Hillary-stronghold of Dededo village.

[Update] The 7 vote lead was certified. Thanks Lawyerish!

4.  Rev. Wright on tour... again?

I hear he has some more speaking engagements coming up at the end of the month.  I have no idea what he's going to say or what he'll try to do, but it tends to be entertaining.  



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Re: Miscellaneous Concerns (2.00 / 2)

Guam recount was certified as a 7-vote win for Obama, per TPM.

Cheers


by Lawyerish on Sat May 10, 2008 at 06:54:13 PM EST

Re: Miscellaneous Concerns (2.00 / 1)

Thanks!

I couldn't find any news of it anywhere.


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by BPK80 on Sat May 10, 2008 at 06:55:49 PM EST
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Guam (none / 0)

http://www.kuam-media.com/news/pdf/27745 .pdf


by mady on Sat May 10, 2008 at 06:54:26 PM EST

Childers (none / 0)

is running in the only district Obama lost in the state. If he wins despite being tied to Obama is bigger news than if he loses because of Obama.

I don't expect either candidate to be particulary helpful downballot in someplace like Northern Mississippi, then it really does mean Obama doesn't hurt downballot and the party is in a good position.

It may also mean that Childers is just a hell of a good candidate here. He's going to win this with Democrats who voted Hillary in March.


The American people; they were for the war before they were against it.
by nrafter530 on Sat May 10, 2008 at 06:56:46 PM EST

That part of MS has a lot of ancestral Democrats (none / 0)

That district didn't fall to the GOP that long ago and that was one of the previous Democratic governor's stronger areas in a razor sharp and controversial election (had to be decided by the MS House I think).


by lombard on Sat May 10, 2008 at 07:15:23 PM EST
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Jamie Whitten (none / 0)

the last Democrat to serve here was essentially a Dixiecrat helped by the fact that he has seniority and was locally popular. He was first elected when my grandmother was the age I was when he left office. It had been considered a certainty that he would be succeeded by a Republican since about 1980.

Since Carter, the district has gone Republican for President and for Senate. Ronnie Musgrove and Ray Mabus won here, yes, but they are also toted as the only Democrats who could win statewide these days.

This is not a district the Democrats should have a chance in in the Bush era.


The American people; they were for the war before they were against it.
by nrafter530 on Sat May 10, 2008 at 07:28:03 PM EST
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Re: Childers (none / 0)

"If he wins despite being tied to Obama is bigger news than if he loses because of Obama."

I agree.  

If he loses, it just makes the superdelegates' decision more of a mess than it already is.  This bizarre primary process produces no clean moral victories for either side.  


Lifelong Democrat, civil rights advocate, former volunteer for Dem candidates. Now Independent.
by BPK80 on Sat May 10, 2008 at 08:39:09 PM EST
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Re: Miscellaneous Concerns (2.00 / 1)

Even with the Childers thing, the first real "Obama effect" race was the Cazayoux race in Lousiana, where Cazayoux upset the GOP'er in a special election.

As for Nebraska, I don't think it matters much. I think since it's smarter fiscally for red states to hold Democratic caucuses instead of primaries, that should be the way it goes, since they're most likely not going blue anytime soon and really don't have a ton of delegates. However, larger bluer states like Minnesota and Washington should be running primaries, IMO.

I think Nebraska may give us a better feel for SD and Montana, however. Kind of new territory since they are actually primaries instead of caucuses in the Mountain West. Hopefully Hillary can keep them competitive, but I don't think Barack will see as large of a victory there as he did in some of his previous Moutain West states, simply because it's a primary.


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by zcflint05 on Sat May 10, 2008 at 07:01:04 PM EST

Re: Miscellaneous Concerns (none / 0)

It's difficult to measure any down ballot effect.  The fact that Cazayoux won in a bright red district, however, tells me that Obama is not completely toxic there.


John McCain vows to overturn Roe
by soccerandpolitics on Sat May 10, 2008 at 08:38:24 PM EST
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You FORGOT about the gas tax ? (none / 0)

you forgot about the gas tax cut ALREADY??

Shame. Shame.

I thought the issue was a WINNNER!!!

[Sniffle]


"McSame: He's Constipated and Ready to GO!
by Al Rodgers on Sat May 10, 2008 at 07:04:01 PM EST

Re: You FORGOT about the gas tax ? (none / 0)

Excellent point.  This summer when Hillary forces Obama to make an embarrassing vote on the Senate floor against her wildly-popular and enormously brilliant plan, that's when the chickens come home to roost.


I just flipped off President George, I'm going to Disneyland
by alvernon on Sat May 10, 2008 at 07:14:44 PM EST
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that's why she lost Indiana (none / 0)

poor, poor Evan Bayh.

Hillary and her failed gas tax scheme made Evan look like a chump.

http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2008/5/ 6/234455/3311/1#c1

Bankrupted, powerless, exposed  - Hillary has become pure box-office poison.


"McSame: He's Constipated and Ready to GO!
by Al Rodgers on Sat May 10, 2008 at 07:24:22 PM EST
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Re: You FORGOT about the gas tax ? (none / 0)

Thank you for posting the least helpful comment in this entire diary and showing how much more well spoken the majority of people on this site are by contrast.  


Lifelong Democrat, civil rights advocate, former volunteer for Dem candidates. Now Independent.
by BPK80 on Sat May 10, 2008 at 08:42:04 PM EST
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So you're not going to answer the question (none / 0)

typical.


"McSame: He's Constipated and Ready to GO!
by Al Rodgers on Sat May 10, 2008 at 08:53:48 PM EST
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Re: So you're not going to answer the question (none / 0)

You didn't pose a legitimate question.  

Is there a feature that allows one to place other users on "ignore" on this site?


Lifelong Democrat, civil rights advocate, former volunteer for Dem candidates. Now Independent.
by BPK80 on Sat May 10, 2008 at 09:11:56 PM EST
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If ya can't take the heat... (none / 0)

remember what Hillary says:

if ya can't take the heat, file for chapter 7 !!


"McSame: He's Constipated and Ready to GO!
by Al Rodgers on Sat May 10, 2008 at 09:18:39 PM EST
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LOL (2.00 / 1)

Well I never said you weren't amusing.


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by BPK80 on Sat May 10, 2008 at 09:27:05 PM EST
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Re: Miscellaneous Concerns (none / 0)

I don't think that Childers will have a problem related to Obama. Childers will have a problem related to Mississippi- I know, I've been there many times (most notably in the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina). If the GOP wants to keep trying to associate people with Obama, let 'em. It's a stupid way to run a campaign, and while it may have worked in the past (like against Kerry in 2004), it's not going to work this year- at least, not overall or nearly as well.

As far as caucuses, I know you don't like 'em because Obama dominated them- but there's pros and cons to caucuses. I was born and raised a dumb 'ole Iowa farmboy, so maybe I'm a little prejudiced there, but anyway.


Serious question- Is This Snark?
by ragekage on Sat May 10, 2008 at 07:15:21 PM EST

Re: Miscellaneous Concerns (none / 0)

"I was born and raised a dumb 'ole Iowa farmboy, so maybe I'm a little prejudiced there, but anyway."

Well, that's the heart of the issue here.  My opinion is worth 20 electoral votes, and yours is only worth 7.

Busted!

Thanks for the comment and the perspective on MS/Katrina.  


Lifelong Democrat, civil rights advocate, former volunteer for Dem candidates. Now Independent.
by BPK80 on Sat May 10, 2008 at 08:40:47 PM EST
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Re: Miscellaneous Concerns (2.00 / 1)

Rev. Wright is rather an issue of diminishing returns... I think we will be increasingly done hearing about him.


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by cardboard 1 on Sat May 10, 2008 at 07:17:42 PM EST

Re: Miscellaneous Concerns (none / 0)

I don't agree.

Wright is a general election issue now.  But as I've said since the day the story broke, I think "cling to guns" is the bigger issue heading into the fall.  Regional prejudice (urban v. rural) is a factor that intertwines and perhaps even hides behind race/class analysis.  

The fact that Obama's anti-small town comment was levied against Pennsylvania of all states makes it another big problem for him, since, with Ohio and Florida effectively off the battleground map, Pennsylvania is going to be the biggest legitimately "swing" prize in the contest.  


Lifelong Democrat, civil rights advocate, former volunteer for Dem candidates. Now Independent.
by BPK80 on Sat May 10, 2008 at 08:37:25 PM EST
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TX & WA reveal problems with caucuses (none / 0)

Obama blew out Clinton in the low attended WA caucus  but won by 3 in the more heavily attended primary.

Obama lost by around 4 in the huge TX primary but won by 12 in the low turnout caucus.

There is no such thing as a general election caucus and the two results above are obvious evidence that the caucuses are not representative of outcomes from more traditional voting venues.

What possible advantage can come of having less representative forums used to select party nominees?  

I've participated in caucuses, too.  Sure, they're fun but they may not mirror results of all-day straight voting procedures.


by lombard on Sat May 10, 2008 at 07:23:43 PM EST

Re: TX & WA reveal problems with caucuses (none / 0)

I wonder how much the caucus results are some inherent Obama advantage (more enthusiastic supporters, better organization) vs. Clinton simply not devoting time and resources to the caucus elections, especially those in February.  To the extent Clinton performed poorly because of poor campaign strategy, I'm not sure Obama should be penalized for that.  Caucuses also serve a party building purpose.  Not only do you meet and organize with fellow Democrats in your precinct, but the party collects names, numbers, and email addresses that can be used to advantage in organizing for the general election.  Having said all that, I personally would prefer primaries in the future.

Lastly, a small nit to pick--Obama won by 6, not 3, in the WA primary.


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by soccerandpolitics on Sat May 10, 2008 at 08:32:01 PM EST
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No one is trying to punish Obama (2.00 / 1)

The caucus concern is something that will be with us again in 2012, 2016, 2020, and so forth.

For states who have financial troubles, perhaps a mail-in system like Oregon's would alleviate these problems.  


Lifelong Democrat, civil rights advocate, former volunteer for Dem candidates. Now Independent.
by BPK80 on Sat May 10, 2008 at 08:35:00 PM EST
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Caucuses (none / 0)

A silly system produces a silly result.  


Lifelong Democrat, civil rights advocate, former volunteer for Dem candidates. Now Independent.
by BPK80 on Sat May 10, 2008 at 08:33:37 PM EST
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Re: Nebraska (none / 0)

I think turnout will be high in the democratic primary in nebraska.  there is a real opportunity to turn both a senate and house seat blue in nebraska, and there are highly contested primary fights surrounding these.  Netroots darling Scott Kleeb is running to be the dem nominee for chuck hagel's senate seat.  The race for the second congressional district is very close as well.

I was just visiting my home town of omaha last weekend and the democratic party is energized in a way i have not ever experienced before.

say what you will about caucuses, but i think the recent experience really grew the democratic party.  my parents and my high school friends are far more involved in politics than ever before.  

and now were talking about having both senate seats from nebraska (!) being dem....


by elie on Sat May 10, 2008 at 09:49:52 PM EST


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