The GREATEST Diary EVAH Written

by Al Rodgers, Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 02:34:03 PM EST


BIG BROTHER and MYDD

I rarely come here.  I haven't posted a diary or comment in three years.  I dropped by to see the rank & file reaction to Hillary's appearance on Billo's minstrel show.

So today I see Bob Johnson posted a diary, which made the top of the recommended list, and then it was censored - expunged from the list.

WEAK.

Talk about insecurity.

I've posted nearly 400 diaries in the past 5 years and I have NEVER-EVER censored a dissenting or opposing argument.  

And guess what, I got into some nasty arguments with Bob Johnson in 2003, and he never censored my statements, and likewise, I never deleted his words.

Why? Because neither of us were so weak, that we couldn't deal with an opposing viewpoint, even if it was strong.

If Bob says something you disagree with, write your own diary and rebut his argument.   If the diary doesn't fit, then the community will acquit.  Don't just summarily wipe it off the list.  Have faith in your readers.   Don't treat them like children who can deal handle reality.

I thought we were LIBERALS !!

I thought we stood for FREEDOM OF SPEECH!!

This is like those kooks who try to remove Judy Blume's novels from libraries.

SHAME ON YOU, MYDD!!

SHAME ON YOU!!

Meet me in Austin, you weaklings, I'll wipe the floor with you (forensically)!!

If you don't like the news, go out make some of your own!!

To paraphrase Hillary, if ya can't stand the heat, get outta of the diary!

UPDATE 3:25 PM EDT I now read that Bob Johnson diary was removed from the recommended list because the title was considered inflammatory, containing "racist connotations." This is the title
"Clinton backers behind deceptive robo-calls aimed at blacks."
Is that racist, let alone racial? If so, tell me why. In the abstract, any diary could be untrue, any diary could have a false title. But it's incumbent on the critic (in this case, the moderators) to provide readers with a basic explanation of their reasoning.




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Re: SHAME ON YOU, MYDD!! (1.00 / 19)

yawn go back to kosland chump.


by zane on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 02:35:33 PM EST

Re: SHAME ON YOU, MYDD!! (2.00 / 3)

The site must be cleansed!


Fight the Smears!
by Lettuce on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 02:36:53 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: SHAME ON YOU, MYDD!! (2.00 / 1)

grabs pitchfork and flaming tar


by bobbank on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 02:40:12 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Silly Notion (2.00 / 10)

Who decided that MyDD is exclusively for Hillary supporters and DailyKos is exclusively for Obama supporters, anyway?


by Hatch on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 02:46:17 PM EST
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the small percentage of idiotic supporters (2.00 / 10)

on both sides.


-- be excellent to each other
by kindthoughts on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 02:49:06 PM EST
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Idiotic Supporters (2.00 / 4)

Does that include whichever moderator decided to remove Bob Johnson's diary from the Rec list?

I'm only half-joking.


by Hatch on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 02:57:34 PM EST
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never read the diary (2.00 / 6)

but Bob Jognson is no troll.


-- be excellent to each other
by kindthoughts on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 02:58:51 PM EST
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Re: never read the diary (2.00 / 2)

Bob Johnson is opininated, sharp, funny, sometimes belligerent, and a lot of Hillary supporters here know what a great democrat he has been

His reversion diary is now here

http://www.mydd.com/story/2008/4/30/1514 1/0639


by brit on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 03:36:59 PM EST
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Re: never read the diary (none / 0)

Thanks for the link, Brit.  The thing was up and gone before I had a chance to see what all the hubbub was about.


Unseen, in the background, Fate was quietly slipping the lead into the boxing glove.
by fogiv on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 04:24:11 PM EST
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Re: the small percentage of idiotic supporters (2.00 / 1)

Agreed to a certain extent. The real fact is:

Too many idiots on DailyObama who killed any chance of civil discourse and respect for fellow democrats. And some of those are swamping here to continue the trash they spread on DailyObama.

Agreed there is a small percentage here too.


by Sandeep on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 04:34:45 PM EST
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Re: Silly Notion (2.00 / 1)

I got an "official warning" this morning to be more civil.

Anyone care to look at my comment history and try to figure out which part of it is "uncivil"? I'm guessing it was the "Jerome used to be thoughtful" comment.


Unable to rec or rate
Still supporting Obama
Still not putting up with "preening" posts
by jaiwithani on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 02:57:33 PM EST
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Consider Yourself Lucky (2.00 / 0)

You could've been banned, like a whole lot of other people who dared to criticize JA.


by Hatch on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 02:58:52 PM EST
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Re: Consider Yourself Lucky (none / 0)

I was banned but created a new account! HAHA!

And if I am banned again I will continue creating new accounts.  Bwaaaaaahahahahahahahahahahahahaha !

Seriously...

I was banned for taking on the almighty Jerome.

I would actually have more respect for him if he turns out to be on Clinton's payroll- because at least he's being paid to crap up his blog.


by Bob Beard on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 03:39:39 PM EST
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Re: Consider Yourself Lucky (none / 0)

Jerome Armstrong does not have thick skin, if he did like kos, he would not give a SHIT about what people write about him.  That is the difference, he does care.


by tracey webb on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 04:01:24 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Dkos: ECHO..ECHo..ECho..Echo..echo..ech..ec..e (2.00 / 2)

For those of you Kossacks who participated or condoned transforming that place into an Orange echo chamber . . . what's the point?

Yes, I understand you're frustrated that there is no challenge left over there and you don't feel like your time is well spent getting the obamessage out to all the Orange clones, so you come here spoiling for a fight where you feel like you can make a difference in the holy cause.

. . . but be intellectually honest about it, we understand, no need to hide your inner motivations, fly, be free . . . but know that the real enemy is not Mydd but it is McBush.

Sneak into a Rethug website and you can have all the fight you're spoiling for. . . we're attempting to have the type of high-level discourse that used to be prevalent on the Orange mess.


by wasanyonehurt on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 03:24:06 PM EST
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Re: Dkos: ECHO..ECHo..ECho..Echo..echo..ech..ec..e (2.00 / 5)

In a month these primaries will be over

I've been a member of this site for 4 years. And DailyKos

Obama won my support last year.

Why does anybody have to DECIDE between sites based on the last three months of the primaries?

It's just ridiculous. Maybe it's fatigue, but maybe an implosion of all those democratic values of dialogue, debate and openness that we've struggled to  maintain over 8 years of republican hegemony.

If you can't take a dissenting opinion, that just proves your opinion is very vulnerable.


by brit on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 03:28:53 PM EST
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Re: Dkos: ECHO..ECHo..ECho..Echo..echo..ech..ec..e (none / 0)

Very few of the Orange diaspora ever rebutt that that place is just an echo chamber or dispute that you try to over-run and shout down non-obama opinion anywhere that your orange migration lands. . .

. . . you won't admit that that's your aim, and we choose based on the actions of the Orange diaspora that you are not simply providing "dissenting opinion", but trying to change this place into another echo chamber, so that you can move to another site and consume all the oxygen, wash rinse repeat.

The difference here is you don't control the administration of this site so the process to echo chamber here is more of a challenge thus you all get more aggressive and adamant especially when your candidate slips, as he is wont to do.


by wasanyonehurt on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 03:52:23 PM EST
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Re: Dkos: ECHO..ECHo..ECho..Echo..echo..ech..ec..e (2.00 / 1)

What's your problem? Is your existence defined by what goes on at DailyKos? That's called rassentiment - and even worse: you're emulating your idea of them,  providing an echo chamber of your own.

And since when has this become an Obama echo chamber? You don't like disagreement, then find somewhere else. This place has always have diverging opinions, and if the admins try to change that...

Then they're defying the whole point of the netroots. Disagreement, conflict through debate, dialogue, dissenting voices - these are the principles that underly liberal democracies, and the revolt against the MSM which progressive blogs provide.

You're wrong. What you say is a further advance of ghettoisation in US culture. But unlike you, I'd defend your right to say it. I won't acquiesce, however, in some unexplained fatwa to enforce it.  


by brit on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 04:09:56 PM EST
[ Parent ]

So much for sneaking (none / 0)

I tried to join Free Republic but got banned before any of my posts were made public.

I'm not going to sneak; I'd love to join a conservative site that both got a lot of traffic and was willing to tolerate an opposing viewpoint.

Once the primary is over, the Republicans are the next group to convince.  Oddly, I think Ron Paul supporters are the most likely to jump ship.

Anyway, I lost my diary and comment priveledges for a few days once after talking about what I said above in this post.  I'm not sure if it was a glitch, censorship, or what... but I got my privledges back after people said I was OK.


In this avalanche, the pebbles get to vote.
by Dracomicron on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 03:56:30 PM EST
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Re: Dkos: ECHO..ECHo..ECho (2.00 / 1)

My day would not have been complete had I not read posters from hrc followers whining about this, that and the other.
But hey, its 5pm, I guess I'll open a bottle myself.
"Beauty, more than bitterness, makes the heart break." Sara Teasdale
by april34fff on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 05:11:23 PM EST
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Re: SHAME ON YOU, MYDD!! (none / 0)

Trolled for content free invective


by brit on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 03:06:28 PM EST
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Re: SHAME ON YOU, MYDD!! (2.00 / 9)

Huzzah.

Seriously Mods, if you're going to remove something from the rec list (and leave up stuff more than 24 hours old) you've got to post a reason, somewhere.

Or, preferably, post your comments in the thread and let them stand on their merits.

I know not every post can accuse Obama of flipping Hillary off, but even the ones dealing with tiny meaningless issues of voter suppression -- intentional or otherwise -- deserve some airing.


Fight the Smears!
by Lettuce on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 02:36:33 PM EST

Re: SHAME ON YOU, MYDD!! (2.00 / 5)

indeed why do anti-hillary diaries come down ALOT faster then anti-Obama diaries.

either you censor all of em, or don't start now.


Obama said, as Bill beamed. "Thank you, President Clinton."
by TruthMatters on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 02:38:06 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Glad To See We're On The Same Page (2.00 / 2)

Jerome seems to have no problem with turning this site into a full-on HRC propaganda machine.


by Hatch on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 02:40:37 PM EST
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Re: Glad To See We're On The Same Page (2.00 / 2)

Perhaps relabeling the site "Hillaryhub" would be truth-in-advertising.  After all, half the recd posts cut and paste most of their content from there already.


by mikeinsf on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 03:37:26 PM EST
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Re: SHAME ON YOU, MYDD!! (1.00 / 1)

I didn't get a chance to see the diary, is there anywhere I can read it?


by Maverick78 on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 03:23:22 PM EST
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Re: SHAME ON YOU, MYDD!! (none / 0)

http://www.mydd.com/story/2008/4/30/1239 17/817#184


by brit on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 03:30:07 PM EST
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Macho posturing or (2.00 / 2)

threat of violence?

Meet me in Austin, you weaklings, I'll wipe the floor with you!!

In any event, that childish comment detracts from your diary.


by TomP on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 02:40:29 PM EST

Gimme a break (2.00 / 1)

forensically

if you couldn't see the parallel to Hillary's Ohio rant(in the best sense of the word), then you dishonor her as a supporter.

Gee, I remember when you threatened to sue DemocraticLuntz, I took that as a joke.  I guess I was wrong, and I should have read that literally.


"McSame: He's Constipated and Ready to GO!
by Al Rodgers on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 02:45:53 PM EST
[ Parent ]

What would you get from that lawsuit? (none / 0)

Some old talking points and OPOL's hat?


"I hope the two wings of the Democratic Party may flap together." - William Jennings Bryan
by pinche tejano on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 02:51:13 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Al, as you know (none / 0)

CT diaries get deleted at kos. why should it be different here?


by doberman pinche on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 04:48:05 PM EST
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Please (2.00 / 3)

That is a very dishonest edit.


by BlueinColorado on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 03:00:38 PM EST
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Re: Macho posturing or (none / 0)

I guess he was trying to be intimidating, but since he is doing all his talking with one finger, he doesn't seem very formidable to me.


The man who reads nothing at all is better educated than the man who reads nothing but newspapers. -- Thomas Jefferson
by pollbuster on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 03:06:51 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Here's ya finger - HA!! HA !! (1.75 / 4)


"McSame: He's Constipated and Ready to GO!
by Al Rodgers on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 03:16:15 PM EST
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Re: Here's ya finger - HA!! HA !! (2.00 / 1)

Zing


The man who reads nothing at all is better educated than the man who reads nothing but newspapers. -- Thomas Jefferson
by pollbuster on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 03:19:00 PM EST
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Re: SHAME ON YOU, MYDD!! (1.83 / 6)

a.  the diary wasn't "censored" if it is the robo-call one - it is still here.

b.  A diary could have dropped from the rec'd list because perhaps people who initially rec'd it changed their minds & unrecommended it.  I have that option - don't you?


by colebiancardi on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 02:42:32 PM EST

Re: SHAME ON YOU, MYDD!! (2.00 / 5)

I'm sure that's what happened. All that outrage easily disappaited. We're also voting for Clinton now too. On our unicorns.


Fight the Smears!
by Lettuce on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 02:46:16 PM EST
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Re: SHAME ON YOU, MYDD!! (none / 0)

Hey, wait.  What?  I didn't get a Unicorn!  Where's my fecking Unicorn?!?

That's it.  I switching back to Obama.

STOP BIG PING-PONG!


Unseen, in the background, Fate was quietly slipping the lead into the boxing glove.
by fogiv on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 04:30:55 PM EST
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Re: SHAME ON YOU, MYDD!! (2.00 / 6)

Maybe they dropped it from the rec list because it was complete bullshit.  The group in question is made up of both Clinton and Obama supporters, but Bob, in his usual hyperventilating fashion, simply makes baseless accusations before even bothering to look them up.  In fact, I had this exchange with him about it at the Big Orange Blog:

I posted it over there. (19+ / 0-)

Clinton backers behind deceptive robo-calls aimed at blacks

by Bob Johnson

It would be even more exciting (0+ / 0-)
if it were true.  Alas (for you), it is not.  The group is made up of both Clinton AND Obama backers.  Don't worry, though, I'll go ahead and make the correction for you at MyDD.

by dhonig on

We shall see. (0+ / 0-)

I note that they are already "apologizing," but that doesn't explain why they would be using a distinctly African-American male voice in their calls and targeting African-Americans voters.

I think there is more information to be discovered on this story. And I suspect some enterprising reporters will be doing further digging.

by Bob Johnson

I suspect the same. The difference, of course, (0+ / 0-)

is that I wait to see what they find, while you do not.

by dhonig



by dhonig on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 03:00:36 PM EST
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Re: SHAME ON YOU, MYDD!! (2.00 / 1)

"distinctly African-American male voice"

Huh?  How racist can you get Mr. Johnson?  There is no such thing!


by Jjc2008 on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 03:11:08 PM EST
[ Parent ]

check TPM story's comment thread (none / 0)

The Sarah working for WVWV has parroted the same talking points repeatedly and refused to address the Lamont question, except to say that there were other calls recorded using a "Julie". Read that thread with SarahWVWV's lame responses and tell me they aren't hiding their methods and intentions.


by wanderindiana on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 03:36:07 PM EST
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Re: SHAME ON YOU, MYDD!! (2.00 / 5)

WHY THE FUCK DID I GET TROLL RATED on a simple comment about why a diary could have dropped off the rec'd list?

come on....tell me please.


by colebiancardi on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 03:14:22 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: SHAME ON YOU, MYDD!! (2.00 / 3)

come tell me

jaiwithani       
BarackStar

there was nothing troll worthy about my observation or comment.  It was pretty damn neutral, if you ask me.


by colebiancardi on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 03:15:06 PM EST
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Re: SHAME ON YOU, MYDD!! (none / 0)

I disagree with some of your opinions, but you're dead right: to those others - stop abusing the guidelines.

We support different candidates colebiancardi, but this will all fall apart if dissent is silenced (which was happening to you on those troll ratings)

I urge you to reconsider your opinion of Bob Johnson's sudden disappearance from the rec list. He's a great diarist, if opiniated, and though I don't like them, I'd be worried if Hillary supporters got their diaries moved off the rec list just because they weren't politically correct - or judged so by admins.

Just like Mumphrey's diary which was REMOVED in the same manner, this undermines the whole point of a self policing community, regardless of the particular case in hand


by brit on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 03:44:56 PM EST
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Re: SHAME ON YOU, MYDD!! (none / 0)

I neither rec'd or unrec'd his diary.  I do agree that suppressing diary's that are not trolling diaries is incorrect.

I just threw out one reason why it may have dropped off the rec'd list - I know that some people cannot "unrate" stuff, so that is why I stated that I have that option - not that I did that.


by colebiancardi on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 04:03:29 PM EST
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Re: SHAME ON YOU, MYDD!! (none / 0)

Never suggested that you had unrec'd or not, but as I suspected, the logistics of that were unlikely. It was knocked off by the admins


by brit on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 04:12:33 PM EST
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Re: SHAME ON YOU, MYDD!! (none / 0)

Agreed.  TR abuse is whackdoo lately.


Unseen, in the background, Fate was quietly slipping the lead into the boxing glove.
by fogiv on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 04:33:44 PM EST
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Re: SHAME ON YOU, MYDD!! (2.00 / 3)

The diary was removed by MyDD.  Here is the explanation offered to Bob Johnson:

Personal note
My previous diary on this topic was removed from the very top of the rec list and I was halted from posting until I agreed to abide by the followiung warning:

   

You have been warned...

   2008-04-30 14:22:46

   Refrain from diaries with inflammatory headlines, in this case racist connotations. Read the guidelines.

I completely disagree that my diary headline contained any racist connotations. It was a summary of the piece cited in my diary which came from a highly reputable source.

The moderators responsible for giving me that warning are wrong and I only accepted the warning so that I could post again.


by CA Pol Junkie on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 03:18:47 PM EST
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Re: SHAME ON YOU, MYDD!! (none / 0)

Uprated.  Shouldn't have been TRed in the first place.


The universe is a casual place, not a suit-and-tie affair.
by mtnspirit on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 03:23:16 PM EST
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Re: SHAME ON YOU, MYDD!! (none / 0)

Disagree but uprating for troll abuse

Whoever does this: read the guidelines. In a diary complaining about the misuse of the system, it doesn't help if you misuse the system yourselves


by brit on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 03:39:08 PM EST
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more yawns. (1.70 / 10)

the kos echo-chamber beckons you....


"Me Fail English? That's Unpossible." Ralph Wiggum
by canadian gal on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 02:44:26 PM EST

Re: more yawns. (2.00 / 7)

You prefer to keep this echo chamber to yourself, huh?

Didn't know we were cleansing the Obama supporters today. I'd have worn my nice underwear.


Fight the Smears!
by Lettuce on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 02:47:32 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: more yawns. (2.00 / 1)

i dont want an echo chamber - simply a community where people stop bashing mydd.


"Me Fail English? That's Unpossible." Ralph Wiggum
by canadian gal on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 02:49:48 PM EST
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Re: more yawns. (2.00 / 3)

If Kos drops diaries off the rec list if he disagrees with the content, then DailyKos should be bashed.

Same with MyDD in the reverse.

Otherwise and echo chamber is what you already have.


Fight the Smears!
by Lettuce on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 02:56:12 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Some diaries (2.00 / 2)

on Daily Kos, frankly, I wish would be taken down. I'm only aware of two instances where they deleted (parts of) a diary; one was anti-Semitics, the other a solicited interview with a terrorist leader.


"This election is not about ideology, it's about competence." -Michael Dukakis
by MBNYC on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 03:02:21 PM EST
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Re: more yawns. (2.00 / 5)

Me too.

Clearly the kossacks cannot stomach the idea that anyone supports Hillary Clinton over Barack Obama.  They have issues with what they call the MyDD bias for Hillary and yet the Kos Obama bias is clearly acceptable.

To me, the constant coming to this site to trash the site because of its so called bias is bullying.  They are not content to use their vitriol in full force on just kos and Huffpost.....they are offended anyone dare have a different bias.  

I find the bullying mentality of the kossacks sad and scary.  They truly have become the other side of the neocon coin....in opposition to the meaning of the word liberal.


by Jjc2008 on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 03:15:37 PM EST
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Re: more yawns. (2.00 / 5)

How is anyone pro-Obama on MyDD suddenly a Kossack?

Who isn't registered on both? Or was at some point?

These sites aren't flips of each other. And MyDD is better -- a better size and though its unbalanced, Obama does get a fair shake in many of Jonathan's posts.

But crap should be called out. The reaction to Bob's diary is crap. And somehow equating it to Kos is a bad comparison to those who would rather see diaries they disagree with down -- not to those of us appalled by such behavior.


Fight the Smears!
by Lettuce on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 03:24:41 PM EST
[ Parent ]

OK, I'll admit that was funny (none / 0)


by lombard on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 02:55:20 PM EST
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Re: more yawns. (2.00 / 2)

now - why in the hell would i be TR'ed?  sheesh.


"Me Fail English? That's Unpossible." Ralph Wiggum
by canadian gal on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 03:01:48 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Because a gang of Kossaks is on this page (2.00 / 4)

They'll immediately descend in packs to quash any remark that threatens their self image.

It took only a few minutes before my first post to this diary was removed.  


by lombard on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 03:13:57 PM EST
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Re: more yawns. (none / 0)

Fairly contentless post, and I disagree, but still uprating because of troll abuse


by brit on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 03:46:34 PM EST
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Normally, I'm not for censorship (1.33 / 9)

But if censorship is what it takes to get you out of here and to discourage even more smarmy Kossaks from coming to this place and turning it into a ghetto of bile (like they've done with just about every other internet neighborhood they moved into and proceeded to take over), then I say censor away!


by lombard on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 02:44:27 PM EST

Re: Normally, I'm not for censorship (2.00 / 2)

Delightful! What about gulags. You pro-Gulag?


Fight the Smears!
by Lettuce on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 02:48:31 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Poor analogies, use of terms. (2.00 / 4)


ghetto of bile


like they've done with just about every other internet neighborhood they moved into and proceeded to take over

Your point could be made with different terms.  Thee terms echo old racist attacks on African Americans in Northern, urban cities as segregated housing patterns broke down, which I am sure was not your intent.

Those terms detract from your actual critique.


by TomP on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 02:49:06 PM EST
[ Parent ]

No, I was referring to the old European meaning (2.00 / 1)

of ghetto where certain groups were either segregated or segregated themselves.  For example, the Jewish ghetto.


by lombard on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 03:52:25 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: No, I was referring to the (2.00 / 1)

I understood it.  I did not think you were intentionally doing anything bad.  

If Obama were not African American, there would be no issue.  

It's just better to be careful.  With people already upset, it is easy for things to be misconstrued and that detracts from the comment you actually are making.


by TomP on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 04:03:02 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Normally, I'm not for censorship (none / 0)

You mean like this ghetto of bile?


by CA Pol Junkie on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 02:51:42 PM EST
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Re: Normally, I'm not for censorship (none / 0)

If a "ghetto of bile" is a place where stupid, borderline racist comments are swiftly shot down, then I say let the takeover commence immediately.


by emptythreatsfarm on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 03:43:36 PM EST
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Re: SHAME ON YOU, MYDD!! (2.00 / 3)

SHAME ON YOU, apparently you think nothing wrong with wrongly accusing playing the race cardn.  THAT is sad.


by LindaSFNM on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 02:48:03 PM EST

If it is false then write your own diary (2.00 / 4)

anyone can rebut a false argument/a false brief.

it's really easy to do.

if the case doesn't fit, then the community will acquit.

If a diary is weak and unfounded, then you should have no problem exposing it.

It involves a minimal amount of effort.


"McSame: He's Constipated and Ready to GO!
by Al Rodgers on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 02:54:53 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: If it is false then write your own diary (2.00 / 1)

if the case doesn't fit, then the community will acquit.

Interesting concept.  I disagree.  MyDD is Clinton oriented and Dkos is an Obama echo chamber.  Truth often is lost in bias.  There is no "community" of disinterested parties.


by TomP on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 04:04:58 PM EST
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Re: SHAME ON YOU, MYDD!! (2.00 / 2)

By the way.  Apparently you graced us with the reminder to tune in to watch Hillary on BillO.

...are you taking bets that he will be better to a former first lady and sitting Senator than KeithO

Or did you want to remind us Obama made his appearance on FOX first?


by LindaSFNM on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 02:49:20 PM EST

Dailykos trying to move center to conservative (1.75 / 8)


The Dailykos Obama supporters are just terrified that the 50% of the party that disagrees with them will have a place to talk to each other....

This diary is 100% about trying to deny the 50% who oppose Obama a place to be heard.

They denied that voice on Dailykos.

And now they are actively trying to deny it on Mydd.

If they succeed then Hillaryis44 or the next level site will become the MAINSTREAM location where the left 50% meets the right 50% in the democratic party.

Do they really want the center to shift that far conservative?

I think that their best interest lies in being happy that mydd a progressive site serves as the meeting place rather than a much less progressive site.


by DTaylor on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 02:49:48 PM EST

Yes, Kossaks are like locusts (2.00 / 1)

They descend in packs upon an area, drain it of all its goodness and nutrients, and then look for the next site that they can despoil.


by lombard on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 02:57:45 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Just like (2.00 / 2)

the aliens in Independence Day, right?


"This election is not about ideology, it's about competence." -Michael Dukakis
by MBNYC on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 02:59:20 PM EST
[ Parent ]

That analogy works for me, too. Thanks! (2.00 / 1)


by lombard on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 03:02:02 PM EST
[ Parent ]

I was thinking Divine in Pink Flamingos... (2.00 / 1)


"I hope the two wings of the Democratic Party may flap together." - William Jennings Bryan
by pinche tejano on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 03:10:22 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Ew. (none / 0)

You know I'd never wear polyester.


"This election is not about ideology, it's about competence." -Michael Dukakis
by MBNYC on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 03:32:42 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Sans the raunchy old rock and roll music (none / 0)


by lombard on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 03:56:25 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Well last I heard Edscan was still there (none / 0)

so there is still hope for that.


"I hope the two wings of the Democratic Party may flap together." - William Jennings Bryan
by pinche tejano on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 04:09:31 PM EST
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Hopeless. (2.00 / 4)

This diary is 100% about trying to deny the 50% who oppose Obama a place to be heard.

What's not being heard, as it were, is Bob's diary.

Frankly, most of the people I know IRL that back your candidate are smart enough to present their views outside of an echo chamber.

And that's an understatement.


"This election is not about ideology, it's about competence." -Michael Dukakis
by MBNYC on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 02:58:34 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Kossaks don't want to be "heard" (1.62 / 8)

They want to take over, dominate, and drive out all opposition.  


by lombard on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 03:00:25 PM EST
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Yup. (2.00 / 5)

A herd of 160,000 oppressors fanning out over blogdom to quash all dissent.

You should join us, we have a great 401(k).


"This election is not about ideology, it's about competence." -Michael Dukakis
by MBNYC on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 03:05:54 PM EST
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Re: Yup. (2.00 / 1)

...and dental.  Kickass dental.


Unseen, in the background, Fate was quietly slipping the lead into the boxing glove.
by fogiv on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 04:39:14 PM EST
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Re: Kossaks don't want to be "heard" (2.00 / 1)

If we wanted total domination we wouldn't come to a community largely allied with a candidate we don't support for the nomination.

But since Clinton supporters walked out of dkos, this is the best place left for us to talk to people from the other side and ensure that we don't end up totally separated from one another.


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by jaiwithani on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 03:10:42 PM EST
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Baloney (1.66 / 3)

If that is the case, why does your site continually post diaries castigating us and our candidate?  Why do you troll and hide rate comments in packs that are contrary to your world view.  The behavior of Kossaks on this site is entirely consistent with the behavior of Bolsheviks - conquer and dominate.

If you want to talk, remember that this was our ghetto.  We were driven here and away from many sites we used to frequent.  But, we're not running away any more.  So, if you want to talk, think of yourself more as a guest than the master of the house.  


by lombard on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 03:18:30 PM EST
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Re: Baloney (none / 0)

I'm not the master of anything. I'm not running any servers.

I don't troll rate anything I don't agree with. I got a little trigger-happy today, but as of right now that last 1 I've handed out was to an overzealous Obama supporter.

A lot of the diaries on "my" site are overzealous, and I'll often say so.

I don't try to hide things that are contrary to my world view. THe whole reason I'm here is because I get bored being around people I already agree with all the time.

"The behavior of Kossaks on this site is entirely consistent with the behavior of Bolsheviks - conquer and dominate."
That's just ad hominem.

"We were driven here"
No, you weren't. You choose to abandon the places where you were in the minority, where if you had stayed and put up with the occasional bully you may have changed some minds - or had your own mind changed. Instead you choose to ignore people who didn't agree with you.


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Still not putting up with "preening" posts
by jaiwithani on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 03:33:04 PM EST
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Re: Baloney (none / 0)

you look up at my comment.  Count the troll ratings.

Koss and friends are not at all interested in free speech.  They are interested in shouting down opponents.

If the center has to move to the right to get some fair rules regarding speech we will end up somewhere even less friendly to Obama and friends.

How would that look?


by DTaylor on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 03:40:10 PM EST
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I don't recall any Stalinist behavior from you (none / 0)

So, maybe YOU are not the problem, but that doesn't mean others on your side feel and behave the same way.


by lombard on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 03:46:56 PM EST
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Re: Kossaks don't want to be "heard" (2.00 / 1)

This is the rhetorical equivelent of "why are you punching yourself."

This diary is saying: "Stop quashing opinions you don't like." Your response is: Yeah, person who's opinions were quashed, stop quashing us, the quashers!"

Quasher.


Fight the Smears!
by Lettuce on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 03:26:51 PM EST
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Re: Kossaks don't want to be "heard" (2.00 / 1)

If most of us haven't posted on Kos and gotten far worse treatment we might agree with you.

But I know what happens on Kos.

I know there was a recent movement to bring that here.

And I resent it and Support Mydd in limiting the Oama pr arm.

I don't want Obama supporters to feel out of place but Obama spinners should.  Kos is for Obama spinners.


by DTaylor on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 03:42:15 PM EST
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Re: Kossaks don't want to be "heard" (none / 0)

Conspiracies! Conspiracies afoot!

Limiting the Obama PR arm? You have posters who daily make the top of the rec list with nothing more than donation appeals for Hillary? You want to talk PR arm?

Whereas discussion of a legitimate news story that raises real questions about campaign ethics is spinning?

And the "middle finger" story, was what?

I don't know if you want an echo chamber, or would prefer polite Obama supporters who know our place (not on the rec list) but there was no cause to drop Bob's diary. Welcoming "limits" is pathetic. You're usually quite reasoned, but the facts aren't on your side here.


Fight the Smears!
by Lettuce on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 04:05:32 PM EST
[ Parent ]

And P.S., very, very well said my friend! (2.00 / 1)


by lombard on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 02:59:04 PM EST
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You're the one who is freaking out (2.00 / 5)

someone posts a diary you don't like, then denounce it, don't remove it.

write your diaries - don't remove someone else's diaries.  why can't you get that.

If Hillary wins, I will work my ass off to get her elected, because even if I don't agree with her, she's 100 times better than a republican.


"McSame: He's Constipated and Ready to GO!
by Al Rodgers on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 02:59:08 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Dailykos trying to move center to conservative (2.00 / 4)

No one denied any one a voice on kos, YOU went on strike, remember.

And if Jerome wants to change the rules of this to prohibit anti-Hillary speech, then he should change the rules to be a Hillary site, not a progressive site.


by bawbie on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 03:00:25 PM EST
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Re: Dailykos trying to move center to conservative (none / 0)

I am talking about before the strike and they denied me a voice.

I got banned there on Dec 25 for defending Xmas from someone who was dead set that all the advertising was a GOP bushie thing.

Kos is about shouting to get your point and peer pressure.

Mydd is more about actually making a point and to a lesser degree a place for the kos "outcasts" to have their own place.

The reason you are so interested is that you fear other voices having their own place.....

Why?


by DTaylor on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 03:44:54 PM EST
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Re: Dailykos trying to move center to conservative (2.00 / 2)

I wish some of you would stop bashing kos. Its an excellent site and the content is alot more informative than it is here.

now, now.. not saying that this site isn't.


"Beauty, more than bitterness, makes the heart break." Sara Teasdale
by april34fff on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 03:52:37 PM EST
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Re: Dailykos trying to move center to conservative (2.00 / 2)

I think the MyDD Obama supporters don't like being silenced. If your diary gets on the rec list, it should stay there until that changes. It shouldn't just get taken down.

This has nothing to do with denying voices or places. I didn't see anything on the MyDD main page when I joined telling my my choice of candidate put me at a disadvantage in the site's discourse.

I don't understand the need to justify it. This isn't the first time it happened, but it's the first I've seen in a while.


Fight the Smears!
by Lettuce on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 03:01:33 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Well, you don't see that as Kos either (none / 0)

But you'll soon find out if you stay there for any time


by lombard on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 03:09:16 PM EST
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Re: Dailykos trying to move center to conservative (none / 0)

You should check out The Confluence.

As far as I can tell, it's only Clinton folks talking to each other there, and its a hoot!


by emptythreatsfarm on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 03:46:38 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Don't mistake disdain for "insecurity" (none / 0)


by lombard on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 02:54:00 PM EST

A closed mind is unmistakable (none / 0)


by brit on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 03:03:55 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Thanks! And you helped me get there (none / 0)


by lombard on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 03:05:17 PM EST
[ Parent ]

You didn't need my help (none / 0)


by brit on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 03:10:56 PM EST
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Re: SHAME ON YOU, MYDD!! (2.00 / 4)

They also removed from TOP of the rec list around noon, mumphrey's diary Racism on this Site.

Things must be bad in the Hillary camp that they need to suppress the occasional pro Obama diary.

But WTF happened to the netroots principle of self governed progressive political blogging?

Wasn't the user-based, bottom-up, self-policed blog the whole point of netroots and Storming the Gates

First they came for our user privileges, and I did nothing.

Then they came for the IP access points, and I did nothing.

And when they come for the few remaining Rec diaries, and I did nothing.

And now they come for me, there's no one left to protest.


by brit on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 03:02:04 PM EST

Mumphrey's diary was there for a long time (none / 0)


by lombard on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 03:07:59 PM EST
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Re: Mumphrey's diary was there for a long time (none / 0)

24 hours. True. But it disappeared suddenly. What is the point of a rec list if favored diaries can be pulled at will. There was nothing inflammatory in it: you could agree or disagree, but the blogs that block dissent 'top down' are usually called Red State or something


by brit on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 03:13:43 PM EST
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Re: Mumphrey's diary was there for a long time (none / 0)

Hmmm....let's see. Maybe despite the recs from the traveling kossacks, some of us don't like the bullying aspect of someone coming to a site and accusing the posters of being racists.  Maybe that kind of diary, despite the traveling pack of "let's go here and rec this diary so it stays visible" , who make sure that THEIR trash diaries are at the top, turns people off.  It is what turned a lot of us off to dkos and the fact that the behavior resembled that of the high school jocks who need to be in control of all things.  
It's a bullying tactic and pretty common in middle and high school  Seeing it being used on political blogs was a sad and frightening thing.
by Jjc2008 on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 04:43:51 PM EST
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Re: SHAME ON YOU, MYDD!! (2.00 / 1)

Some people won't rest until Clinton supporters and Obama supporters are completely cut off from one another.

First the strike, now this. If the Clinton supporters keep this up, they'll end up in private forums requiring two passwords and a retinal scan before you're even allowed to read them.


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Still not putting up with "preening" posts
by jaiwithani on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 03:08:43 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: SHAME ON YOU, MYDD!! (none / 0)

hey, jaiwithani, why did you troll rate me on a neutral comment?  

nothing troll worthy about my comment and you had the fucking nerve to troll rate me?  

I would hope that was a mistake on your part and you will upgrade me.


by colebiancardi on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 03:16:29 PM EST
[ Parent ]

You are correct (2.00 / 1)

and I apologize. Changing to "None" doesn't seem to have an effect, so have a "2" on the house. Consider it my way of apologizing.


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by jaiwithani on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 03:25:02 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: You are correct (none / 0)

thank you :)  


by colebiancardi on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 04:05:19 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: SHAME ON YOU, MYDD!! (2.00 / 1)

Maybe some of us tired of the bullying tactics used on daily kos.  Some of us long outgrew the hanging out in packs to rec what we liked and trollrate what went against our beliefs.   Kos became the "high school" hallways of the "kool kids"....and it was impossible to "debate" as adults.  Some of us looked for other places where we weren't told to "get over  it" when we complained about the blatant sexism and ageism.  We came here only to be followed by some of the bully mentality.

Maybe we just don't feel it does any good to talk with those who look their noses down at us.


by Jjc2008 on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 03:23:50 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: SHAME ON YOU, MYDD!! (2.00 / 1)

Disagreement is not the same as disdain. In any event, you're not going to convince anyone by only talking to those that already agree with you.

Even if you find dkos a bunch of "bullies", you're still better off talking to them then repeating the same argumentd ad infinitum to those that already agree with you.


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Still not putting up with "preening" posts
by jaiwithani on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 03:26:49 PM EST
[ Parent ]

I think it's still there... (none / 0)

I think the diary this thread refers to is still on the diaries list, just not the rec'd.  If so it seems more like editorializing than censorshiop, no?

I just checked, it seems to be still there.


by mady on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 03:02:48 PM EST

Re: I think it's still there... (2.00 / 1)

Bob Johnsons has confirmed that it was taken down and that he had to promise to not post any more "inflammatory" headlines.

No news on how Alegre's doing with that pledge.


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Still not putting up with "preening" posts
by jaiwithani on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 03:14:54 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: I think it's still there... (none / 0)

I'm stunned. I shouldn't be. But I am.

Bang goes Breaking the Gates.

And what about Mumphrey's sudden disappearance from the rec list


by brit on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 03:18:32 PM EST
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Re: I think it's still there... (none / 0)

If it makes you feel any better I have gotten the exact same warning...

Its not aimed at Bob he was just being an ass.

When I am an ass I get the same treatment...


by DTaylor on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 03:48:02 PM EST
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Re: I think it's still there... (2.00 / 1)

Yes, it's still there.

And like Mumphrey's yesterday, the community had raised it to the rec list.

Isn't the whole point of a democratic community blog that we are the editors. That's what my trusted user guidelines tell me.


by brit on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 03:15:45 PM EST
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Re: I think it's still there... (2.00 / 1)

Yes, but the slant of this blog is pro Hillary and it is not a communal forum, it is owned and operated by..... I still way, way prefer it to Kos but it means putting up with sometimes having my candidate's pieces obscured.  Still, is basically a decent bunch over here, and taking this off the rec list is still not disappearing it.  

I believe the subject is back on