HRC: The Next FDR?

Back in December, I wrote this after Hillary Clinton got a surprise endorsement in Iowa. One of their reasons for endorsing her just blew me away, and I decided to examine this some more. And I figured that considering our current economic crisis and the need for real action to help working families, you all may appreciate this.

Here goes... :-)

In case you missed it, The Des Moines Register endorsed Hillary Clinton for President. I know there's been a whole lot of media buzz since this, and there's now speculation over what this will do to help Hillary's campaign. However, I'd rather not focus on that. I want to focus on an indirect comparison to Franklin D. Roosevelt that the editorialists made as they were choosing between Hillary and Obama. What I want to ask you today is: Is the comparison of Hillary Clinton to FDR accurate?

Let's talk about it some more. Let's chat. {...}

Another veteran editorial writer described the choice as similar to picking Franklin Delano Roosevelt, a calculating but masterful politician at maneuvering needed legislation through Congress, versus John F. Kennedy, whose youthful vigor inspired the nation to take on new challenges. That's not a bad choice.

That's from the Des Moines Register article explaining why they picked Hillary over the other candidates. They described FDR as a "calculating but masterful politician" who was able to deliver on policy. Is that true? Well, all we have to do is examine
FDR's Wikipedia page to see all that he accomplished.

And oh my, look at all of FDR's accomplishments! The Works Progress Administration give jobs to the unemployed. The Social Security Act to ensure that our seniors don't live in poverty. The Civilian Conservation Corps to give jobs to those willing to work on rural projects. Isn't it amazing how FDR hasn't been smeared as some kind of Communist? Oh wait... He was.

So obviously, FDR did a whole lot to bring Keynesian economics to America, bring us out of the depression, and leave a strong legacy of a social safety net and robust regulatory system that made sure that capitalism worked for everyone. But was FDR a perfect "pure progressive" that did no wrong? Obviously not.

He made peace with the corrupt Tammany Hall machine early in his political career, and later on tried (and failed) to undermine the independence of our federal courts. Oh yes, and who could forget the heinous crime of interning all the Japanese-Americans during World War II? So obviously, FDR was far from perfect.

But still, we remember FDR for his accomplishments. We remember FDR for saving this nation when it looked like America may not survive the Great Depression. We remember FDR for reassuring us, and for letting us know that "the only thing we have to fear is fear itself". We remember the good of FDR, and we are still grateful to him for all his good work.

So where does that take me next? Well, I'll let Dorothy and Hillary lead me in...

Hillary Clinton may not be perfect, but she does seem to have a firm grounding in her values. She cares about her fellow humankind, and is willing to give a helping hand up to those that can't help themselves. Basically, Hillary is doing her part to continue building upon the good legacy that FDR left us.

As I have said before, Hillary is strongly committed to changing course and putting an end to the disastrous legacy that Bush & Cheney are leaving us. Hillary is committing to a true universal health care plan that will cover everyone, lower costs systemwide, and enact enact tough regulations on the insurance industry. Hillary is committing to a truly bold and revolutionary climate action and energy indpendence plan that will take on our addiction to fossil fuels and go far and beyond even our own state plan in California in tackling the climate crisis. Hillary has put forth a comprehensive plan to end Bush's disastrous Iraq Occupation, and she has matched her words with action when it comes to ending Bush's era of neocon-style "cowboy diplomacy". When it comes to fighting for a bold agenda of progressive change and building upon all of FDR's good work, Hillary truly is "our girl".

And you know what makes all of this even better? Like FDR, Hillary now has the strength, the courage, and the experience to deliver on her agenda of progressive change. Hillary obviously has the domestic and foreign policy experience to hit the ground running as soon as she's sworn in as our next President. And of course, she also has the know-how to make proposed policy into enacted law. Mind if I point you back to that Des moines Register endorsement?

[...] Who is best prepared to confront the enormous challenges the nation faces -- from ending the Iraq war to shoring up America's middle class to confronting global climate change?

The job requires a president who not only understands the changes needed to move the country forward but also possesses the discipline and skill to navigate the reality of the resistant Washington power structure to get things done.

That candidate is New York Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton.

From working for children's rights as a young lawyer, to meeting with leaders around the world as first lady, to emerging as an effective legislator in her service as a senator, every stage of her life has prepared her for the presidency.

Yep, no matter what others say about Hillary, we know that Ret. Gen. Wesley Clark when he says that Hillary has what it takes to be a good leader:

So are you convinced now? Do you see how Hillary has what it takes to build upon everything good that FDR left us, and bring America "back to the future"? Do you now see just how committed Hillary is to the progressive values that we have cherished since the times of FDR?

If you'd stil like more information, I urge you to check out
what the people that know Hillary have to say about her. These are the people that know Hillary best, and they want us to know the Hillary they've come to know and love. Oh yes, and check out this new video from Hillary.

It explains so well why so many of us are impressed by HRC, someone who'd make Franklin and Eleanor awfully proud. :-)



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Tips? Flames? Suggestions? (2.00 / 24)

You know what to do! ;-)


No way, no how, no McCain! :-)
by atdleft on Tue Apr 01, 2008 at 04:32:11 PM EST

Re: Tips? Flames? Suggestions? (2.00 / 1)

I suggest you post this at Daily Kos, just as a little experiment.  I'm curious to see how well this great diary is received over there.  


My name is Barney Gumble, and I'm an alcoholic. Lisa: This is a girl scouts meeting. Barney: Is it, or is it you girls can't admit that you have a problem?
by PJ Jefferson on Tue Apr 01, 2008 at 05:19:22 PM EST
[ Parent ]

PJ! HAHAHAHAHAHAHA (2.00 / 1)

Are you setting Andrew up for the kill?


by Shazone on Tue Apr 01, 2008 at 06:13:54 PM EST
[ Parent ]

fdr (2.00 / 3)

got a boost from the great depression, things were so awful it was possible to build things from the ground up. In the same way Hillary has this chance and she's setting out her agenda so we'll know what she plans to do and how she plans to do it. That's the only 'silver lining' although we could have done without it, that there is an opportunity to rebuild America and put Americans to work rebuilding it,  Great diary, thanx


by anna shane on Tue Apr 01, 2008 at 06:26:15 PM EST
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Re: fdr (none / 0)

FDR was farther left than any modern American president.

Hillary was a pillar of the DLC, an organization founded on the idea that the Progressive left is what is wrong with the Democratic Party.

His was a radical populism.  Hers is a moderate's Von Hayekism.

It's fine to advocate for Hillary.  But there is absolutely no way possible to draw a valid parallel between her and FDR.  It's just concretely off base.


by nocore on Wed Apr 02, 2008 at 09:51:23 AM EST
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Re: Tips? Flames? Suggestions? (2.00 / 4)

I would accept it as I accept it here -- as a positive diary about Clinton by one of her supporters.  It is thoughtful and well written.

Thank you.  From an Obama supporter.


by gchaucer2 on Tue Apr 01, 2008 at 07:45:18 PM EST
[ Parent ]

They love a good April Fools joke at D-Kos (1.25 / 4)

Then again maybe this is too elaborate for an April's Fools. It's more of a sad joke.

Usualy when Wall Street likes a pollitician it's because that politician can be counted on to help Wall Street's corporations to screw their workers.

McCain, Clinton wins may soothe Wall Street worries

The weapons industry knows Hillary will keep the lion's share of federal discretionary spending flowing to the Pentagon.

Clinton bucks the trend and rakes in cash from the US weapons industry

The US arms industry is backing Hillary Clinton for President and has all but abandoned its traditional allies in the Republican party. Mrs Clinton has also emerged as Wall Street's favourite. Investment bankers have opened their wallets in unprecedented numbers for the New York senator over the past three months and, in the process, dumped their earlier favourite, Barack Obama.

Mrs Clinton's wooing of the defence industry is all the more remarkable given the frosty relations between Bill Clinton and the military during his presidency. An analysis of campaign contributions shows senior defence industry employees are pouring money into her war chest in the belief that their generosity will be repaid many times over with future defence contracts.


It's time to restore balance and fairness to our economy,... It's time to stop giving tax cuts to corporations that ship jobs overseas... - Barack Obama
by Lefty Coaster on Tue Apr 01, 2008 at 08:19:40 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: They love a good April Fools joke at D-Kos (1.33 / 3)

I'm not sure the comparison applies, FDR did help bring the country out of a depression and succeeded. Hillary tried to bring us Universal Health care and failed. She can't even cover her own staff. Neither fact bodes well for her chances of covering the nation.

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/030 8/9274.html

I think that's the single most important issue we'll face in the next 8 years. It even hamstrings our ability to compete in the global marketplace. Every other "First World" nation covers their citizens except us. It's no wonder NAFTA, CAFTA, and Most Favored Nation trade deals have destroyed middle America.

I haven't seen anything on McCain's health plans for his staff but it would be interesting to know. Anyone have any idea?


by BeekerDynasty on Tue Apr 01, 2008 at 09:34:18 PM EST
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Re: They love a good April Fools joke at D-Kos (1.00 / 1)

I would imagine McCain's health care plan is some kind of tax cut Band-Aid.

I think Climate Change has got to be our top priority in the next 8 years, and for the next 50 years. ALL of the other problems we face will be exacerbated by Climate Change.

On all of our most pressing problems Duhbya has been hitting the snooze alarm for us over 7 years now.

It's quite a backlog.

 


It's time to restore balance and fairness to our economy,... It's time to stop giving tax cuts to corporations that ship jobs overseas... - Barack Obama
by Lefty Coaster on Tue Apr 01, 2008 at 10:10:27 PM EST
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Re: They love a good April Fools joke at D-Kos (1.50 / 2)

I'll never forget, I'll never forgive...the mess Hillary made of the mandate she had on health care.  Welcome to the big leagues.  She had her chance and failed miserably.  I've paid the price, so has my family... it's never the celebs who pay the price, it won't be her who is denied health care.  She failed so terribly on the war too.  She is not a leader.  


by howardpark on Wed Apr 02, 2008 at 12:02:03 AM EST
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"MANDATE" on healthcare??? (2.00 / 1)

WTF?!

Were you still in diapers in 1994 or living in a cave at the time. Or maybe you are a visitor from another planet/party?

The Clinton administration had no "mandate" on healthcare.  Far from it.  Back then there was a worker shortage.  Employee plans were generally free and generous.  The AMA and hospitals, both still trusted at the time, vehemently fought the Clinton healthcare plan.  Insurance companies weren't seen as the evil entities we all know them as today -- people generally LIKED their health care insurer.  

The general public saw any attempt to provide universal care as "socialized medicine" -- it was supposed to disempower doctors, destroy the "doctor/patient relationship" and bankrupt the country.

Make no mistake -- you and your family are suffering today for healthcare because of Republican rule and policy, the determination and greed of the insurance industry and the ignorance of the general public back in 1992.  


Sexism is real.
by grassrootsorganizer on Wed Apr 02, 2008 at 06:19:54 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Such a strange post I don't know how to reply. (2.00 / 1)

So I won't (other than that).


My name is Barney Gumble, and I'm an alcoholic. Lisa: This is a girl scouts meeting. Barney: Is it, or is it you girls can't admit that you have a problem?
by PJ Jefferson on Wed Apr 02, 2008 at 07:11:00 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: They love a good April Fools joke at D-Kos (2.00 / 2)

"the mess Hillary made of the mandate she had on health care."

Conservative Democrats, led by Jim Cooper (who is now Obama's health care advisor and surrogate), who opposed universal health care organized to destroy Hillary Clinton's plan. They pushed her hard that her plan was too influenced by the Left (it was too progressive) and they did everything they could to disembowel the reforms. As Obama's advisors (Austan Goolsbee, Obama's main economic avisor, is a conservative, according to Paul Krugman, who was one of his professors) they will definitely kill any chance of universal health care for the indefinite future.


by 07rescue on Wed Apr 02, 2008 at 08:42:46 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Tips? Flames? Suggestions? (2.00 / 7)

Excellent diary!

Your comparison between FDR and HRC holds very well. They're both great statespersons, they're both great for ordinary Americans and they both have taken more than their fair share of hate and venom from extremists, left and right.

Says Robert F Kennedy Jr:

Hillary's supporters should be heartened by the fact that intense hatred is often accompanied by equally strong support. Roosevelt won four landslide victories against his opponents and crafted the architecture for the most humane, successful, generous features of modern American government.

They can also take comfort in Hillary's proven ability to transform intense hatred into loyal support. I recently toured upstate New York's traditionally Republican counties which she has transformed through leadership and political acumen, into rock solid Hillary Clinton strongholds.

With a playful wink she told me, "One of my favorite pins in my political pin collection is "I Don't Like Eleanor Either." It reminds her that it's not just the president who is targeted by the haters. But "about anybody who cares about and stands up and fights for the changes that our country needs to have."

What a great and uplifting piece of work atdleft!

Rec'd.


Grumpy, reluctant, sore-losing, unhappy, irritable Hillary supporter for Barack Obama 2008
by DemAC on Tue Apr 01, 2008 at 05:42:45 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Thank you, DemAC... (2.00 / 6)

I figured folks here might get a kick out of this. Oh yes, and I also think RFK Jr's onto something. I know many of Hillary's detractors left, right, AND center bash her for being so "polarizing", but wasn't FDR also criticized as being too "divisive" and "extreme" with the New Deal? It's good to look back to history to really put things into perspective. :-)


No way, no how, no McCain! :-)
by atdleft on Tue Apr 01, 2008 at 06:02:32 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Hillary: Delivering a new New Deal (2.00 / 5)

I believe this is the reason Mainsteam Media (aka, the propaganda arm of the Military-Industrial-Complex) is doing all they can to thwart Hillary's nomination.  Clinton Administration staffers who worked closely with them both say she's much more liberal than her husband.  She is the one with the congressional clout and know-how, along with the determination, to push through a new New Deal for America.  Paul Krugman, whose 'Conscience of a Liberal' extols universal health care as the main pillar of this effort, certainly sees that potential in her.  To block her, the Reich is only too happy to promote a charming but inexperienced newbie, who preaches vague unity in place of bold vision, and who has given ground before the fight has even begun.

***A


by adrienne4dean on Tue Apr 01, 2008 at 07:30:50 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Hillary: Delivering a new New Deal (2.00 / 1)

"she's much more liberal than her husband.  She is the one with the congressional clout and know-how, along with the determination, to push through a new New Deal for America."

This is the truth about her, from everything I have witnessed. Progressives are backing the wrong horse when they vote for Obama. He will be going ahead with his plans to "free the markets to compete" as he said at Cooper Union last week. Then the left will be flipping out at how he has betrayed them...


by 07rescue on Wed Apr 02, 2008 at 08:47:08 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Tips? Flames? Suggestions? (1.00 / 2)

Hillary Clinton, stumping in Philadelphia drew comparisons between herself and the city's most famous cinematic hero, Rocky.  I wonder if she knows just how much they have in common.

Note her recent swooning over John McCain, who has been endorsed by none other than Rocky himself, Sylvester Stallone. Interesting, but there's more. She equated her failing campaign with the famous climax to the most famous of famous movie montages on the steps of the Philadelphia Museum of Art. She insinuates that for her to drop out now would be as if, Rocky Balboa had gotten halfway up those art museum steps and said, `Will, I guess that's about far enough.'" Maybe she doesn't know that the movie didn't end on those steps with his hands raised high. After that glorious training montage, Apollo Creed beat Rocky by decision after trouncing him for 15 rounds.

After her recent famous misstatement, Hillary may have found something in her Rocky comparison. She may be more right than even she knows. Just like Rocky (Stallone), she's behind McSame over Obama; she seems to be slated to win what could be her final victory of her campaign in Pennsylvania, and she's about to be declared the loser in a very long fight against a black guy with a funny name.


by Jeff Y on Wed Apr 02, 2008 at 01:53:37 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: HRC: The Next FDR? (2.00 / 13)

I'm an Obama supporter, but I appricate the pro-Candidate diary.  Thanks!


by NewOaklandDem on Tue Apr 01, 2008 at 04:34:30 PM EST

Thank you, NewOakland... (2.00 / 13)

I may not be perfect, but I'm trying my best to keep it classy here. ;-)


No way, no how, no McCain! :-)
by atdleft on Tue Apr 01, 2008 at 04:38:18 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Thank you, NewOakland... (2.00 / 1)

Kudos for the effort.  :)


Unseen, in the background, Fate was quietly slipping the lead into the boxing glove.
by fogiv on Tue Apr 01, 2008 at 07:25:21 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: HRC: The Next FDR? (1.11 / 9)

FDR did not lie.


by Spanky on Tue Apr 01, 2008 at 04:36:52 PM EST

I love FDR (2.00 / 15)

but he was a superb politician and history has recorded more than one prevarication that issued from his mouth.


That's it, baby; let's go win this election!
by Beltway Dem on Tue Apr 01, 2008 at 04:40:05 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Link please? (2.00 / 13)

FDR carried on an affair with Lucy Mercer.

He probably lied about a lot of things, inlcuding his efforst to help Great Britain prior to US entry into the war.  

He was a great president nonetheless.

But really, your assine comment in a positive diary reflects poorly on Obama.  When self proclaimed Obama supporters act like asses, do you think they persuade people?

This comment is typical of a certain sort of Obam supporter: politically immature and arrogant.

Still a freshman?


by TomP on Tue Apr 01, 2008 at 04:41:31 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Link please? (1.66 / 3)

Just wanted to comment that the vitriol works both ways...  There are "certain types" of Clinton supporters that make asinine comments in otherwise positive Obama diaries too...

Don't know how it helps either candidate or cause really.

By the way, nice to see a positive diary on here for a change...  Well done and recommended.


Like the nominee, don't like the nominee... Our nominee is still better than John McCain...
by JenKinFLA on Tue Apr 01, 2008 at 04:45:07 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Since I am not a Clinton supporter, (2.00 / 3)

I already knew that.  I have been very critical of certain diaries attacking Barack Obama here this week.

That said, I agree with you that it is good to see poistive diaries here and at Daily Kos.

The hate at both places harms the Democratic Party.


by TomP on Tue Apr 01, 2008 at 04:50:49 PM EST
[ Parent ]

FDR did not lie -- (2.00 / 4)

So? -

First, he probably did, but there was no YouTube around to catch it and display it over and over and over and ...

I believe there has been distortion and embellishment from both candidates. One has to look beyond the event to purpose and intent.

May we get back to the main thread, please?


by pan230oh on Tue Apr 01, 2008 at 05:19:55 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: HRC: The Next FDR? (2.00 / 4)

Ha! Jonathan Alteer has an entire book on presidents lying and FDR is the number case study. He lied about everything. He lied non-stop. He lied when he didn't have to. He lied to everyone. He lied so much to Truman that Truman couldn't figure out what was going on when he took office because it was so much at odds with what FDR was telling him.

FDR may have been our lyingest president.


by Little Otter on Tue Apr 01, 2008 at 05:33:58 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: HRC: The Next FDR? (2.00 / 2)

HA HA HA!!!  You are quite the historian!

He hid his polio and the fact that he couldn't walk from the entire country!


by bellarose on Tue Apr 01, 2008 at 05:43:20 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: FDR (2.00 / 1)

You know I am a juggler, and I never let my right hand know what my left hand does. I'm perfectly willing to mislead and tell untruths...FDR, May 1941
"The Folly of War: American Foreign Policy" - 1898-2005, Donald E. Schmidt

and another great Demmie:

The greatest enemy of truth is very often not the lie - deliberate, contrived and dishonest - but the myth - persistent, persuasive and unrealistic. --JFK, June 11, 1962


by Patriot2008 on Tue Apr 01, 2008 at 07:46:00 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: HRC: The Next FDR? (none / 0)

I'm so angry that you would have to denigrate a nice positive posting.  Why must you knee-jerk into nasty?


by grego101 on Tue Apr 01, 2008 at 07:56:05 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: HRC: The Next FDR? (none / 0)

oh please.

FDR never lied??

do your homework, don't just make crap up.


Sexism is real.
by grassrootsorganizer on Wed Apr 02, 2008 at 06:23:38 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: HRC: The Next FDR? (2.00 / 8)

Thank you for a positve diary, rec'd.


by freemansfarm on Tue Apr 01, 2008 at 04:41:54 PM EST

Re: HRC: The Next FDR? (2.00 / 8)

Thank you for your positive diary, adleft.

My disclaimer; I support neither Clinton or Obama but will vote for the winner in the general election.  

That said, this is the kind of positive diary that helps a candidate and all Democrats.  

Thank you.  Excellent diary.


by TomP on Tue Apr 01, 2008 at 04:43:21 PM EST

Thank you, Tom. (2.00 / 7)

I try. :-)


No way, no how, no McCain! :-)
by atdleft on Tue Apr 01, 2008 at 04:58:02 PM EST
[ Parent ]

But Tom, the title of one of your... (1.50 / 2)

comments (above) is "Since I am not a Hillary supporter...."

May we assume that somewhere you have also written, "Since I am not an Obama supporter"?


by Shazone on Tue Apr 01, 2008 at 06:17:44 PM EST
[ Parent ]

You are far too worried. (2.00 / 1)

Ask alegre about me.  She knows me from Daily Kos.  Or read my comments on Daily Kos.  Some Obama supporters don't like me very much, just like some Clinton supporters don't.

I was/am an Edwards supporter. I have not endorsed either candidate.

Read this.  i was villified by some for it:

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/1 /10/134017/384/550/431677

Do you think I'm a secret Obama supporter?

I am the kind of person you seek to reach.  Otherwise Clinton and Obama people are just talking to themselves and fighting with those who already have made up their minds.  


by TomP on Tue Apr 01, 2008 at 06:42:21 PM EST
[ Parent ]

No. I just didn't understand your statement... (2.00 / 1)

as I was following the thread.


by Shazone on Tue Apr 01, 2008 at 06:50:40 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Probably just stating (2.00 / 1)

my professed neutrality.


by TomP on Tue Apr 01, 2008 at 07:13:37 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Have you read that Obama blew Edward's endorsement (none / 0)

with his arrogance on poverty and anemic healthcare plan?

At least that is the word on "the internets"...


Universal healthcare IS a core Democratic value
Without a REAL committment to it, we WON'T win in November.
by architek on Tue Apr 01, 2008 at 10:30:11 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Seems more like Al Smith to me (1.25 / 4)


Bring Back MyDD - Just say No to Rec'ing Candidate Diaries.
by CardBoard on Tue Apr 01, 2008 at 04:48:23 PM EST

Thanks for the wise-ass comment... (2.00 / 6)

And you wonder why so many Obama fans "can't get respect" here? Hey, respect works both ways. Do I trash your diaries?


No way, no how, no McCain! :-)
by atdleft on Tue Apr 01, 2008 at 04:55:51 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Thanks for the wise-ass comment... (2.00 / 1)

Al Smith ran against Hoover in 28' on this very platform... McCain, like Hoover, thought ignoring the pain of people would sort out the problem...

Perhaps you thought I was speaking of Smith's 32' loss to FDR, which would have also be a good reference... but the conditions are far more like 28' than 32'


Bring Back MyDD - Just say No to Rec'ing Candidate Diaries.
by CardBoard on Tue Apr 01, 2008 at 06:26:53 PM EST
[ Parent ]

People are so ignorant of history. (none / 0)

They forget that FDR ran as an economic conservative.  An excerpt from a newpaper column of the day, as recorded in Time Magazine:

"The Republican party is a discredited failure and the Democratic party a contemptible imitation of a discredited failure.

"The Republican party is going out of power because it has followed Mr. Hoover, and the Democratic party is trying to come into power by following the same blind leadership.

"When the blind lead the blind, both fall into the ditch and when the blind lead the dumb the same catastrophe occurs.

"Mr. Hoover is an internationalist of the Wilson order. . . . Mr. Roosevelt is the same kind of an internationalist and so is Mr. Baker and so is Mr. Ritchie and so is Mr. Al Smith--all Wall Street internationalists.

"The hope of the Republican party is in Calvin Coolidge. The hope of the Democratic party is in John N. Garner. Failing these, the hope of the public is in a third party.

"Hee! Haw! Perhaps the jackasses are NOT coming back.

"WILLIAM RANDOLPH HEARST"

And we think this campaign is tough!


Ignorance is weakness. Get strong.
by tbetz on Tue Apr 01, 2008 at 07:23:30 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: People are so ignorant of history. (2.00 / 1)

Ha!  Thanks for that


Bring Back MyDD - Just say No to Rec'ing Candidate Diaries.
by CardBoard on Tue Apr 01, 2008 at 07:33:29 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: HRC: The Next FDR? (2.00 / 7)

awesome diary as always


vote blue in 2008
by sepulvedaj3 on Tue Apr 01, 2008 at 04:57:53 PM EST

The problem with comparing FDR and JFK (2.00 / 5)

is that the editorialist made a basic and a very common mistake.

Both president, FDR and JFK, were calculating, cunning, ruthless politicians with SUPER egos and insatiable appetite for power and tremendous ambition.

JFK was no rookie with a tender heart, and FDR would have stabbed him mother in the heart with a dull kitchen knife if it meant giving him a leg up to be a president. And quick frankly, both of these men were excellent presidents.


by Tudor on Tue Apr 01, 2008 at 05:08:49 PM EST

Re: The problem with comparing FDR and JFK (2.00 / 2)

I don't have any firsthand knowledge of the characters of JFK or FDR, but I think your point is an extremely valid one.  We place so much emphasis on personality when sometimes the best presidents are total jackasses in their private lives.  At the very least, they need to be egomaniacs, control freaks, and probably have a few secret weirdnesses as well.


by the mollusk on Tue Apr 01, 2008 at 05:18:35 PM EST
[ Parent ]

I think that's a bit strong (2.00 / 2)

I understand the sentiment, but I think FDR would not have, in fact, stabbed his mother to help his political career.

However, I agree that both he and JFK gave good lumps in the political arena.  FDR delighted in destroying the "economic royalists" (to use his words) who opposed him.  


John McCain: Healthcare for Kids? In America? No way
by bosdcla14 on Tue Apr 01, 2008 at 05:25:43 PM EST
[ Parent ]

While the economic royalists... (none / 0)

... (Murdoch, Mellon-Scaife, insurance PACs, investment banks, etc.) are supporting Hillary's campaign.

Still, as FDR turned away from the wealthy interests that had supported him in 1932, we might hope that Hillary would also turn against their interests once she was elected.


Ignorance is weakness. Get strong.
by tbetz on Tue Apr 01, 2008 at 06:51:42 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: I think that's a bit strong (none / 0)

There is an excellent biography about FDR early political career. Read about his gubernatorial campaign and you will find out that the guy was a ruthless politician, but a damn good one nonetheless.


by Tudor on Tue Apr 01, 2008 at 09:08:59 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Thom Hartmann, the best thing Air America has (2.00 / 6)

going for it by far, has mentioned on several occasions that Hillary could be the next FDR.  He has stated that FDR did not run an election campaign based on the New Deal, that no one that voted for him did so based on the New Deal, and that he did not begin discussing or working on the New Deal until after he was elected.


My name is Barney Gumble, and I'm an alcoholic. Lisa: This is a girl scouts meeting. Barney: Is it, or is it you girls can't admit that you have a problem?
by PJ Jefferson on Tue Apr 01, 2008 at 05:17:31 PM EST

In fact, very few Presidents run... (none / 0)

... for their first term on a platform that resembles in any way what they accomplish in office.

FDR is only the most potent example of this, as a result of the dire situation he found himself in upon his election.


Ignorance is weakness. Get strong.
by tbetz on Tue Apr 01, 2008 at 07:53:25 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: HRC: The Next FDR? (2.00 / 2)

I don't agree with the premise of the diary at all, but I do commend you for keeping it positive, a real rarity on this site. May the best candidate win, and may we ALL back whoever the nominee is.


by jwolf on Tue Apr 01, 2008 at 05:19:10 PM EST

Re: HRC: The Next FDR? (2.00 / 1)

Thanks for bringing this diary back into the conversation. Got any more?


by pan230oh on Tue Apr 01, 2008 at 05:22:35 PM EST

Re: HRC: The Next FDR? (2.00 / 8)

I think what's going to happen is that she going to use the politcal capital she receives from bringing the troops home, to pass universal healthcare. I think we're going to see an incredibly aggressive foreign policy push that is designed to carve out space for her to work here at home.

But yes, I think she has the makings of someone who could be one of the finest presidents the 21st century will see.


by Little Otter on Tue Apr 01, 2008 at 05:37:43 PM EST

Excellent diary, atdleft. I think (2.00 / 7)

you may be on to something!


Obama supporter working to defeat McCain.
by Rumarhazzit on Tue Apr 01, 2008 at 05:37:51 PM EST

Excellent diary (2.00 / 7)

This is an excellent diary.  Hillary is so well qualified and that is exactly how she has position papers on every aspect of governmental problems and plans for how they should be addressed.  Thank you for the diary.


by macmcd on Tue Apr 01, 2008 at 05:50:12 PM EST

If only history didn't prove... (none / 0)

... that the important work done by American Presidents is almost never what they were elected to do, almost never has any relationship to the platform on which they ran.


Ignorance is weakness. Get strong.
by tbetz on Tue Apr 01, 2008 at 06:53:54 PM EST
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Re: HRC: The Next FDR? (2.00 / 5)

I think that many progressives have turned their backs on the more progressive candidate.

Universal healthcare used to be a cornerstone of the progressive community.  But that was before Barack Obama convinced well meaning folks that universal heatlhcare would be bad.  Let's just offer some tax credits instead (FYI - that's McCain's plan too).

Defense of the sacred and irretuable right of one person, one vote, also was once a mantra of the progressive community.  Caucus, district and delegate math were all concepts frequently rejected, in favor of direct democracy.  But that was before Barack Obama convinced folks that gaming the system isn't all that bad, so long as your short term ambitions are served.  That was before he convinced good people that letting fellow Americans be heard would be a bad thing.

The progressive community used to think that racial bigotry was bad.  That we are all equal was another bedrock principle.  But that was before Barack Obama hoodwinked them into believing that racial hatred is ok, just so long as it comes in the context of being a victim.  That was before a Messiah came unto them, promising in no veiled terms that their original sin could be atoned, if only they cast their vote based on skin color this time around.

It's no coincidence that Barack Obama has frequently and publicly admired Ronal Reagan's ability to trick people into voting against their own self interest.  If progressives could just manage for a moment to stop and get real, they would likely be as embarassed as I was when I first had my eyes opened to the true nature of this man.


by bobbank on Tue Apr 01, 2008 at 05:52:51 PM EST

I agree, Bob... (2.00 / 5)

That's why I felt the need to repost this (I originally posted this in December on the Big Orange "blog" that need not be named). Someone mentioned upthread Thom Hartmann talking about the need for "another FDR". I agree with him there. That's why I switched to Hillary just a month before I first wrote this. When I look at what Hillary's proposing, I see the promise of a new New Deal. I see universal health care, economic justice for working class people, real action on the climate crisis, and a restoration of a worldview of shared responsibility and caring for each other. Basically, I see a true progressive in Hillary.


No way, no how, no McCain! :-)
by atdleft on Tue Apr 01, 2008 at 06:07:57 PM EST
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Re: HRC: The Next FDR? (1.50 / 2)

Well Bob,

thanks for your insightful and fragrant pile right in the middle of what was a great and mostly positive discussion.

I am an Obama supporter, no real shock there.  But I'd love to have something positive to hold onto should Sen. Clinton become the nominee.

Your excreble little diatribe doesn't help.

The overall diary however does.  Thanks to the author for it and while I may not agree it's nice to have positive discourse.


by tired of dynasties on Tue Apr 01, 2008 at 06:13:43 PM EST
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Re: HRC: The Next FDR? (none / 0)

"I think that many progressives have turned their backs on the more progressive candidate."

Yes, it's incredible that they have, I can hardly believe what has happened. Progressives should be backing her en masse, it is inexplicable that most are voting against their own ideology.


by 07rescue on Wed Apr 02, 2008 at 08:58:21 AM EST
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A crisis where all bets are off (2.00 / 2)

is one I want Hillary rather than Barack dealing with. I've written several diaries touching on this, that his economic policy 'tool kit' is barren compare to Hillary's. Unfortunately, Keynesian economics was killed off in most economics departments between the late 1960s when presumably Hill learned her stuff, and the early 1980s when Barack learned his.


We can no longer afford to worship the god of hate or bow before the altar of retaliation. Martin Luther King Jr.
by fairleft on Tue Apr 01, 2008 at 06:19:21 PM EST

Re: HRC: The Next FDR? (1.00 / 5)

Clinton the next FDR???

BwaHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

Ya right.

Drip Drip Drip
The Clinton Titanic is taking on water!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ixg4F-qnQ vQ


by Jeff Y on Tue Apr 01, 2008 at 06:28:24 PM EST

Re: HRC: The Next FDR? (none / 0)

Actually, she's the next John Edwards.


Hillary: "Her dishonesty is actually honest." -- yellowdem1129
by Kobi on Tue Apr 01, 2008 at 06:30:47 PM EST

I know no one will probably see this (2.00 / 2)

But, this was a good diary.  Very well written and seeing diaries like this produced here makes me regain the influence of the better angels of my nature that temporarily  vanished due to the "Wallace diary"

Highly Recced and Tipped.


Student Guy=JoeMentum. No really Student Guy=JoeMentum, after all JoeMentum was an embarrassment so is Student Guy. This sig is FAIL!!
by Student Guy on Tue Apr 01, 2008 at 06:42:22 PM EST

Laughable (none / 0)


    that's the only word for the comparison with FDR. Laughable! She's done NOTHING to be compared to FDR! It's just ridiculous. For what it's worth, I wouldn't compare anyone in the Democratic Party today to FDR. He's in a class by himself.

 


by southernman on Tue Apr 01, 2008 at 06:42:24 PM EST

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Upon reading this headline, I laughed so hard that I nearly sharded...ok..I did shard...give me a break people!


"Let them eat cake"
by NCDEM29 on Tue Apr 01, 2008 at 07:22:44 PM EST

Re: HRC: The Next FDR? (1.00 / 1)

Well, she'd have to get through the primary and get elected first, and that ain't happening, so you may want to find an also-ran that just happened to be running against a better candidate only to lose to compare her to.

I'll play along, however, and argue that she'd be more like an LBJ, another pol who had a few good ideas but fell victim to his own hubris.


by bookish on Tue Apr 01, 2008 at 07:22:57 PM EST

Re: HRC: The Next FDR? (2.00 / 2)

Thanks for presenting a very positive diary. I much prefer the positive diaries to the hit pieces that have appeared both here and on the "big orange satan."

Personally, I see HRC as a very effective legislator. I think that her future is in the Senate, rather than in the executive branch.


by blue jersey mom on Tue Apr 01, 2008 at 07:39:27 PM EST

Re: HRC: The Next FDR? (2.00 / 1)

OMG This is really fantastic!!! Tghis sums up why HRC is my gal!  AMEN! Thank you for posting the real positive side of my mom!


by grego101 on Tue Apr 01, 2008 at 07:40:54 PM EST

Harold Ickes Says 100% Race Baiting (2.00 / 1)

This is just on Countdown, and straight from  Harold Ickes. The Wright issue is the only thing Hillary has and they are running on it. And they are saying whites only vote for Obama because of "white guilt."  They have been working the super delegates saying that Obama can't win beause he's Black, and they need to overturn the popular vote so that the nomination goes to anyone as as they are white.


by bernardpliers on Tue Apr 01, 2008 at 08:14:53 PM EST

Re: Harold Ickes Says 100% Race Baiting (2.00 / 2)

my, my my, that IS a lot of race baiting. i sure hope the obama supporters quit doing it soon. it won't work in the general election.


by campskunk on Tue Apr 01, 2008 at 08:30:27 PM EST
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Re: Harold Ickes Says 100% Race Baiting (2.00 / 1)

Spoken like a GOP troll with many years of practice


by bernardpliers on Tue Apr 01, 2008 at 10:04:25 PM EST
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Re: HRC: The Next FDR? (none / 0)

YES!!!


by moevaughn on Tue Apr 01, 2008 at 08:17:40 PM EST

FDR had no record in 1932 (2.00 / 1)

FDR's sole experience of governance in 1932 was one term as governor of NY and a stint as undersecretary of the Navy during WW1.  He was elected solely because he was not Herbert Hoover (and not on any platform to expand government).  The life paths of FDR and Hillary Clinton have almost nothing in common.  The analogy, to sum up, is just another way of saying "Hillary...I like" (which, erm, isn't bad, if that's your preference).  

Do you know whose career does resemble FDR's in more than a cursory way, btw?  Sen. Webb of Virginia (esp. if he gets the VP nod this year, loses, and goes on to win the presidency in 4-8 years).

So who does Clinton resemble?  Going to make some enemies with this, but I think there is a much more obvious candidate: Walter Mondale.  And not just because she was believed to be the Dems' standard bearer but has faced the challenge of her life from an upstart up and comer.  

Mondale was beloved of many Dems, but he wasn't that innovative (and neither, frankly, is Clinton, every dynamic innovation made during this campaign has come from somewhere else, with HRC playing catch-up).  Here's another way to think of this primary season: Obama is Hart with the black vote (he's drawing from all of the same constituencies but then adds the 20% of Democratic voters who are African-American).


by IncognitoErgoSum on Tue Apr 01, 2008 at 08:37:40 PM EST

FDR did not support NAFTA (2.00 / 1)

Check out this video: http://digg.com/submit?url=http://www.yo utube.com/watch?v=0BrPZYbCdJ4


It's time to restore balance and fairness to our economy,... It's time to stop giving tax cuts to corporations that ship jobs overseas... - Barack Obama
by Lefty Coaster on Tue Apr 01, 2008 at 08:48:56 PM EST

Re: HRC: The Next FDR? (2.00 / 2)

Kudos for the positive diary.  I disagree with needing someone to navigate a resistant washington.  I think we need someone, not to push back, but to change the dynamic entirely.  But I liked your diary.


by shalca on Tue Apr 01, 2008 at 08:56:37 PM EST

Re: HRC: The Next FDR? (2.00 / 2)

Then notion that the Washington D.C. dynamic can be changed completely is Fool's Gold.   It's why I think Obama is naive and why I think he's peddling fraudulent expectations.


by InigoMontoya on Tue Apr 01, 2008 at 09:54:35 PM EST
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Re: HRC: The Next FDR? (2.00 / 1)

And that's the true divide in the democratic party currently.  It's between those that think washington can be changed and those that think it can't.  The former are voting for Obama and the latter support Hillary.


by shalca on Wed Apr 02, 2008 at 04:07:30 AM EST
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Re: HRC: The Next FDR? (none / 0)

I agree - great diary - we need more like this.


McCain housing policy shaped by lobbyist.
by obsessed on Tue Apr 01, 2008 at 09:24:41 PM EST

We certainly need another FDR right now (2.00 / 2)

I had thought that Edwards was the one who could be our next FDR.  Since that isn't in the cards, I think you make a pretty compelling argument that Hillary could be that person.  She is definitely focused on the domestic issues that count.

Did you see the HBO special "Warm Springs"?  It depicted FDR during the years when he discovered he had polio and began his recovery.  It's an interesting character study of his journey back from despair, bonding with a community of people who were also recovering and helped him back from the abyss and taught him a lot about the plight of the "other America" that he wasn't familiar with.

Personal hardship is something that gives a person the compassion they need to relate to the most needy people among us.  Hillary has certainly been through a lot.  I think she does have true compassion, and that will be a critical character trait in our next president.

I would love to see Clinton and Edwards team up and run as our P/VP nominees.


by joanneleon on Tue Apr 01, 2008 at 10:14:30 PM EST

Re: HRC: The Next FDR? (2.00 / 1)

Thank you.

This got my spirits up.

I've been down all day....worried about this race...

This definately perked me up...


by nikkid on Tue Apr 01, 2008 at 11:13:29 PM EST

Re: HRC: The Next FDR? (2.00 / 2)

I thank you for writing such a psoitive and encouraging diary.
I went and saw Sen. Clinton at the rally in Erie today. Americans of every demographic group were there, old, young, in between. Black, Asian, white and Hispanic. Men and women, boys and girls.
Seeing her in person and listening to her, watching her as she spoke to us, watching the crowd listening to her affirmed my belief in Hillary.
She spoke passionately about many topics that affect so many Americans- health care, energy independence, the strategic energy fund she wants to create and the investment in green jobs (those brought sustained cheering and applause) getting rid of the failed No Child Left Behind Act and a responsible plan for bringing home our troops.
She spoke with ease and intelligence on giving America back to US, to US, the people.

Thanks again for writing such a positive diary!
Read and rec'd


by ProudMilitaryMom on Tue Apr 01, 2008 at 11:25:10 PM EST

Re: HRC: The Next FDR? (2.00 / 0)

Great diary.


by devoted1 on Wed Apr 02, 2008 at 12:27:26 AM EST

Re: HRC: The Next FDR? (2.00 / 0)

Thank you!  She does have this potential.  Great resource and I hope you don't mind if I quote parts of this.


by shellius on Wed Apr 02, 2008 at 12:32:28 AM EST

Re: HRC: The Next FDR? (none / 0)

hated the title, loved the diary.  


Sexism is real.
by grassrootsorganizer on Wed Apr 02, 2008 at 06:31:46 AM EST

Re: HRC: The Next FDR? (2.00 / 1)

What you say is true, HRC has many fine qualities. But the presidency in 2009 is not now available to her. What should she do? She can run in a way that helps the eventual nominee, or in a way that hinders him. Atdleft, what should she do?


by lexluthor on Wed Apr 02, 2008 at 06:35:15 AM EST

Re: HRC: The Next FDR? (none / 0)

http://www.salon.com/opinion/feature/200 8/04/02/depression/print.html

The Great Depression: The sequel

Is it coming to a soup kitchen near you? Here's how we'll know if the current recession is turning into something much worse.
By Andrew Leonard

Apr. 02, 2008 | A record number of Americans receiving food stamps. Gas prices at an all-time high, and staples such as milk, eggs and bread costing a prettier penny every week. The average number of Americans filing for unemployment benefits reached its highest level in two years last week, while just this week, construction spending fell for the fifth straight month and manufacturing activity shrank to its lowest level in five years. Real estate values are even plummeting in the Hamptons, and hedge funds started off 2008 with their worst quarter ever.

Most economists are no longer debating whether there will be a recession in 2008. Now, they're arguing over when the recession started -- was it last November, or December? -- and how bad it's likely to get. While they bicker, however, a far more terrifying economic specter from the distant past has sent a chill through the infosphere.

"We have not seen a nationwide decline in housing like this since the Great Depression," said the CEO of Wells Fargo late last year. "It is now clear that the U.S. and global financial markets are experiencing their worst financial crisis since the Great Depression," wrote economist Nouriel Roubini last week.

The Great Depression?

For the majority of Americans alive today, the Great Depression has an almost mythic luster. We may not remember it -- if you were 18 during the crash of 1929, you're 97 now -- but we cannot escape its foundational legacy. At the very least, we know that back then was when times were really bad, because that's the standard by which historians, economists and journalists always measure every other potentially bad time. Conservative and liberal economists are still arguing over what caused it and whether Franklin Roosevelt's New Deal fixed the mess or prolonged the pain, but there's no arguing with the historical record: The Great Depression happened, scarring the lives of millions of Americans and fundamentally changing the course of politics in the United States.

So when you hear the phrase "since the Great Depression," you know it's time to tighten your belt, and maybe put off splurging on that next vacation. But what about taking it to the next level? What is required to move past "since" and smack into the much scarier "as bad as" category? As in -- the current economic crisis is as bad as the Great Depression. Or, bluntly put, how will we know when and if our current recession has morphed into a full-fledged depression?

Clinton Beats McCain in Key November States:

April 2, 2008 - Clinton Leads 50 - 41 Among Pennsylvania Democrats; Quinnipiac University Poll Finds; Whites Give Clinton Lead

In Key November Matchups: --- PENNSYLVANIA Democrats: Clinton 50 - Obama 41; FLORIDA: Clinton 44 - McCain 42; McCain 46 - Obama 37; OHIO: Clinton 48 - McCain 39; Obama 43 - McCain 42

New York Sen. Hillary Clinton holds a 50 - 41 percent lead over Illinois Sen. Barack Obama among likely Pennsylvania Democratic primary voters and runs better against Arizona Sen. John McCain, the likely Republican nominee in Pennsylvania, Florida and Ohio, according to a Quinnipiac University poll released today.

http://www.quinnipiac.edu/x2882.xml?Rele aseID=1164


"I never give them hell. I just tell the truth and they think it's hell." Harry S Truman
by Tennessean on Wed Apr 02, 2008 at 09:38:50 AM EST

It's not over so shut up!! (1.00 / 1)

"Professor" Obama, Racist Media, and Obama Supporters in Rut

Harold Ikes Confirms that Wright is Key Topic in Discussions with Super-Delegates


Clintonism is the kind of Government I could get used to...
by Mariel on Wed Apr 02, 2008 at 09:40:40 AM EST

Re: HRC: The Next FDR? (2.00 / 1)

I'd say probably not. While I appreciate your sentiments, you did not really answer your own question.


by Republicus on Wed Apr 02, 2008 at 12:54:21 PM EST

Re: HRC: The Next FDR? (none / 0)

Beautiful diary, thanks for writing it.


TexasDarlin blog
by TexasDarlin on Wed Apr 02, 2008 at 04:37:44 PM EST


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