MyDD :: Updated: Donna Brazile is lying about Wright's moderateness

by TMP on Sun Mar 16, 2008 at 08:07:54 PM EST
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It's easy. What specifically do you object to from his speeches? That Black people are oppressed in the USA?

by Mike Pridmore on Sun Mar 16, 2008 at 08:28:47 PM EST
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Do you mean the misinformation part, or the anti-American part, or...?

Let's start with one simple example of misinformation. Jesus was brown-skinned, like an Arab, not black. And if Wright doesn't think there is a difference he needs to go read how the Arabs wrongly treated the darker skinned Moors as second class. Arabs are not black and neither was Jesus. And even if all the Roman soldiers were from Italy, which they weren't, Italians aren't exactly white either. So it was wrong to say that white people crucified a black Jesus. And that is just the start of a lot of odd misinformation from someone who has two masters degrees and should know better.

But all of that is a minor quibble compared to the God D**n America part of that one sermon. I definitely object to that. One can have black pride without that.

Are you saying that misinformation is OK? Or is it the hatred toward America that you approve?

by TMP on Sun Mar 16, 2008 at 08:39:27 PM EST
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"Jesus was brown-skinned, like an Arab, not black"

Yikes!!! But I'll take the bait. I am Black and was just in Egypt 2 moths ago. Arabs there thought I was Arab they said I had their skin tone. Also many Arabs are "Nubian".

"And even if all the Roman soldiers were from Italy, which they weren't, Italians aren't exactly white either"
While I could point out your hair splitting is quite petty I will just leave at this. Romans are European and the whole thing was what some of us like to call an analogy.

"But all of that is a minor quibble compared to the God D**n America part of that one sermon."
Yeah I guess Black people should be greatful for their treatment in the US especially those of us that were to criminal to fly ourselves out New Orleans, get our selves off of Death row after being wrongfully convicted at a rate of %50 percent or allowing White excons to be more desirable to employers than a Black male with a college degree. I LOVE THIS COUNTRY!

by Mike Pridmore on Sun Mar 16, 2008 at 09:46:54 PM EST
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I see you haven't read how the Arabs treated the dark-skinned Moors either. And I see you are OK with the God d**n America statement as well, making excuses for it. I'm sorry, but that is unacceptable to me and to by far the majority of black people I talk to.

by TMP on Sun Mar 16, 2008 at 10:41:40 PM EST
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I have read watched and listened about the moors that ran Spain and were at the vanguard of Islamic culture and world cultural up until Queen Isabela and her Husband began Christianizing the Iberian peninsula. Cordoba and Anda Lucia were the 2 most modern cities in Europe (by European standards)at the time under Islamic Moor rule. But so what? Are you saying that Wrights analogy about modern day White racism as presently directed to Arabs, Muslims, Iraqis, Blacks, etc would be better suited if he had compared White people to Arab slave traders? I guess that will work too. But in the end that particular aspect of his sermons are extremely trivial. Did you actually see a sermon or did you just see the snippets on FOX? Because I think if you actually have watched one you should be able to think of one detail that would be more substantial than what you have provided so far.

by Mike Pridmore on Sun Mar 16, 2008 at 10:59:37 PM EST
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You missed the part I was talking about. Around 711 AD the Arabs decided to invade Spain and basically subcontracted the invasion to the darker skinned Moors. (Tariq, the Moorish chieftain at the time, is the one for whom Gibraltar is named.) After the Moors did the heavy lifting, the lighter-skinned Arabs came in and tried to take the best for themselves and leave the rest for the Moors. To their credit, the Moors told the Arabs to take a hike and kept all of Spain that they had conquered, refusing to be treated as second class servants by the Arabs. You can start reading here.

Maybe you should think about that the next time you try and defend that nonsense about white Europeans crucifying a black Jesus. Those weren't all Europeans in the Roman army, they weren't all "white" and Jesus was a Jew, not a Nubian or other dark-skinned African. And there is a difference.

by TMP on Sun Mar 16, 2008 at 11:31:17 PM EST
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Your argument as you have presented is so far is about a relatively obscure historical detail compared to the level of outrage. I doubt all these histrionics that have heard on cable television are due to Wrights getting his historical details correct. As such it is extremely petty and superficial. As I have said before if you have something more substantial then let me know. I dont think you are presenting the view of the average person that claims to be offened by Wrights sermons.

by Mike Pridmore on Sun Mar 16, 2008 at 11:54:45 PM EST
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This is your answer to historical examples showing a known difference between Arabs and people of darker skin? An example that shows just what a load of crap that Wright's claims are? bwahahahahahaha Come back when you have a real refutation please. I find that part of Wright's sermon an HUGE insult to people who try to present legitimate historical detail behind biblical events.

by dmc2 on Mon Mar 17, 2008 at 12:17:13 AM EST
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Race is all relative anyways. Although you are most likely correct that Jesus was a Jew, and probably not a dark-skinned black person, he we are talking about the black Jeremiah Wright and the black Barack Obama, neither of whom is anything close to dark-skinned, yet we still call them black. I'm quite sure that if Moses could pass for Egyptian, if Jesus had been born in America, he could've passed for black.

by Mike Pridmore on Mon Mar 17, 2008 at 10:37:09 AM EST
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Yes you are right that he could have passed for black if born in the USA. But that isn't what Wright is saying.

by Pravin on Mon Mar 17, 2008 at 06:17:04 AM EST
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Take one look at New Orleans and Jena in a state where Democrats had ample opportunity to make a difference. Goddamn America indeeed is a fair sentiment. I don't feel quite that way, but I can understand why an African American would.

Let's face it, white people are lucky that blacks did not hunt down every racist or person who condoned the racists and mete out justice after the 60s.

Judging by these clips, I fail to see the outrage. Now he may have said some stupid crap that is not in these clips. But this diary needs to provide more instances. This youtube compilation doesnt cut it.

Re: That is such a non-sequiter. (none / 0)

The good pastor stated recently on Fox news that his church is founded on Black Liberation Theology. This is an ethno-centric variant of LIberation Theology which has been rejected by most main stream churches because it threatens sectarian authority. Liberation Theology promotes altering theological principals by individual congregations. This is why the ehnic and historical identity of a figure like Jesus could be altered by a congregation. For instance, I might decide to start a church and teach that Jesus was female. I might preach that this very fact was hidden for millenia because of the strong anti-female bias of society. This is just one of the many reasons that Liberation Theology is controversial. It is a continually evolving phenomena and is global throughout France, Latin America, Africa, Asia. I think that because Obama has stated that the good pastor introduced him to christianity and that he attended the church for at least 20 years, it is as valid a question of influence that any of the other candidates past and present have faced. Romney,JFK,Kerry etc... The good pastor was most likely rejected by the Baptists because he ascribes to Liberation Theology which is in direct contravention to the established Baptist Church. There's alot of good information on Liberation Theology and the political effects it has had over the years in some countries. It has a mixed record, but one thing it is not... It is not moderate.
Moderation is the antithesis of it's philosophical foundation. These discussions are interesting and informative.

workingclass artist

by workingclass artist on Mon Mar 17, 2008 at 09:20:03 AM EST
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by Mike Pridmore on Sun Mar 16, 2008 at 08:37:35 PM EST
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ANd BTW, since you made an offhand reference to oppression and perhaps meant to refer to Cone's version of liberation theology.... Anyone who thinks that black people are the only ones oppressed in America, or that all black people are oppressed, has to wilfully ignore the poverty in Appalachia and things like the existence of a supertanker named after Condoleeza Rice, and other black multi-millionaires. And if that person is in Chicago, he has to ignore the huge house Barack Obama lives in and his wife's six figure salary(s), not to mention all the money and property of Oprah Winfrey.

Mike Primdore's race issues (none / 0)

1) No I was not talking about liberation theology. The language that Wright uses is pretty standard for people that experience oppression. Remember Katrina?

2)Who thinks Black people are the only ones that are oppressed in America? When or who have said otherwise? I certainly know that there are many large communities that are oppressed according to gender,class and sexual preference to name just a few. Did you know that the Black Panthers attempted to organize poor Whites in Appalachia in the 70s? Or that Black and White farmers tried to found a polictical party in Oklahoma to empower rural America? American history is full of examples where White reached out to Black, Blacks reached out to Whites, Native American, Latinons. However what I find interesting is that you bring up White class oppresion as an excuse to dismiss and invalidate legit criticisms of the disenfranchisement of Blacks in this country. The sad things that have been happening in Appalachia does not justify what has been happening to Black all over the country. That point you try to make by brining up Oprah Winfrey and the Super tanker named after C.R.is quite ridiculous. Black people are still pulled over in much higher number, are wrongfully on death row in greater numbers etc etc. I recently saw a study that employers would rather employ a White excon with no college education than a Black applicant with a College degree. And Hurricane Katrina? Do you think if the media hadn't presented that as a Black disaster. Naming the few exceptions does not signify anything.

by TMP on Sun Mar 16, 2008 at 11:22:44 PM EST
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Re: Mike Primdore's race issues (none / 0)

I brought up liberation theology because Wright says he follows James Cone. The idea of black equalling oppressed is part of that discussion. Not all black people are oppressed. And not only black people are oppressed. I am not trying to downplay legitimate discussions of disenfranchisement of black people. Certainly there is still plenty to talk aobut there. But I am trying to further rational discussion divorced from the hyperbole I see in the writings of Cone.

by Mike Pridmore on Mon Mar 17, 2008 at 10:29:20 AM EST
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Re: Black Power is a good thing. (none / 0)

Not when it comes at the expense of painting another Democrat as a racist.

Elect Hillary!

by owl06 on Sun Mar 16, 2008 at 11:46:46 PM EST
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yes all us Black's stick togther. (none / 0)

Steinam, Ferraro, NOW et al are being cooly objective in their well reasoned support of Hillary Clinton the individual not the female candidate.

by TMP on Sun Mar 16, 2008 at 08:06:28 PM EST
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lets look at your comment (none / 0)

"She's about as neutral as Oprah."

Basically you are saying that Chelsea Clinton's Godmother is biased against Chelsea's mother, Hillary Clinton, because Donna Brazille who is a Black woman points out a common feature of Black culture? Basically saying that the rhetoric that Wright used is a very common aspect of Black culture is now considerd pro-Obama. So what next if Black people pointing out that there was a Civil right movement will signify our pro-Obmama bias?

"Wow you must be paranoid to distort a comment like that. Oh ya right you support Obama."

No that is what you initial comments suggested.

by TMP on Sun Mar 16, 2008 at 11:43:52 PM EST
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Re: lets look at your comment (2.00 / 1)

Anyone who's been watching CNN at all for the past year knows exactly what that comment was about. You can repeat the godmother business as much as you like, but it's been very clear for months that Donna Brazile definitely leans Obama, whether she's announced it or not. Nothing wrong with that, but let's not pretend.

by Denny Crane on Mon Mar 17, 2008 at 12:11:35 AM EST
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Re: lets look at your comment (none / 0)

Saying "God damn america" is not a part of black culture. Speak for yourself when you support such statements.

by devil on Mon Mar 17, 2008 at 10:40:41 AM EST
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Re: lets look at your comment (none / 0)

Yes it is. From big names like Malcolm x, Jesse Jackson etc to average people talking at the dinner table this is a common sentiment. If I were to walk out of my front door right now and ask the average person walking in front of my house in my Black neighborhood and randomly asked passers by, the over whelming odds are most people would agree with that statement.

by TMP on Mon Mar 17, 2008 at 10:39:23 PM EST
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Re: Donna Brazile is lying about Wright's moderate (2.00 / 10)

If Wright is a "moderate" what the hell is going on that Brazile finds extreme?

by Jerome Armstrong on Sun Mar 16, 2008 at 04:57:38 PM EST

LOL - Good Question! (2.00 / 5)

I hate to think of the answer to that question!

by Shazone on Sun Mar 16, 2008 at 05:01:07 PM EST
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Re: Donna Brazile is lying about Wright's moderate (2.00 / 2)

MODERATE?

Wright said FDR lied about Pearl Harbor and by choice and actions ALLOWED THOUSANDS OF AMERICAN BOYS TO BURN TO DEATH.
ON PURPOSE..

Wright said the US government created the HIV virus in order to purposefully cause a global genocide to kill tens of millions of people of color.

Wright said "We bombed Hiroshima, we bombed Nagasaki, and we nuked far more than the thousands in New York and the Pentagon, and we never batted an eye....We have supported state terrorism against the Palestinians .. and now we are indignant because the stuff we have done overseas is now brought right back to our own front yards. America's chickens are coming home to roost."

BTW, that chicken line is verbatim of what Malcolm X said about the "justice" of the murder of JFK you know.

Any comment from Teddy on that?

by John Wesley Hardin was a Friend to the Poor on Sun Mar 16, 2008 at 05:50:38 PM EST
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Any chance that (none / 0)

in a zealous attempt to continue the unending spin (from both sides) of this campaign we are failing to distinguish between fiery rhetorical hyperbole and firm, honestly held beliefs?

Nah.

by UrbanRedneck on Sun Mar 16, 2008 at 06:24:07 PM EST
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Re: Any chance that (2.00 / 1)

Speaking of unending spin....

by Mike Pridmore on Sun Mar 16, 2008 at 06:40:51 PM EST
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Re: Any chance that (none / 0)

Any chance that...

in a zealous attempt to continue the unending spin (from both sides) of this campaign we are failing to distinguish between fiery rhetorical hyperbole and firm, honestly held beliefs?

Nah.

Are you saying words don't matter?

by Denny Crane on Mon Mar 17, 2008 at 12:15:54 AM EST
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Re: Donna Brazile is lying about Wright's moderate (none / 0)

Here is a simple test. Just ask Obama if he believes in every one of those statements. If he hesitates to answer, then nail him.

by Pravin on Mon Mar 17, 2008 at 06:19:44 AM EST
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Re: Donna Brazile is lying about Wright's moderate (none / 0)

I've watched Obama on various news programs and I read his reponse to the Wright rhetoric. My concern is that he is parsing. He seeks to seperate himself from the good pasotrs' firery rhetoric and yet not from the church. The foundation of his church is Ethno-Centric Liberation Theology. The good pastors'
sermons reflect this and sermons that propound similar ideas will continue in the church if this church retains it's principals. Since the very foundation of this philosophy is the mixing of politics and religion through activism. Is this wrong? Maybe not but since the beginning of the Roman Catholic Church, the erroneous historical distortion propagated in christianity that the Jews killed Jesus led to anti-semitism throughout the world. It's only recently that Pope John Paul II formally recognized the church's error and sought reconciliation with the Jewish community. Biblical historians and scholars have sought to correct the distortion. It is plain to see how history can be distorted and used to great effect to promote a particular agenda. Most people don't study the Roman Empire and as a result have no clue how much history effects the present. Aside from being interesting reading, it does remind me how fine a line there is when todays' perspective is applied to history without caution. Words do matter especially through repetition and distortion. By the way, in Ancient Rome, there was no black and white per say; only tribes, religions and regions. Race was defined as much by religion ( Jews ) as tribe ( Germans,Celts ) or region ( Egyptian, Gaul ). To the Romans it was Romans ( citizens of Rome proper ) and everyone else who were considered Other and in client relationship with the empire. To the Romans it was about the class structure and stability. The historical Jesus and his followers threatened both. The Jews were always a threat to both because of the practice of nationalist religion which always baffled the Romans and was unique in the ancient world.

workingclass artist

by workingclass artist on Mon Mar 17, 2008 at 10:07:30 AM EST
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I am so over this ridiculous woman (none / 0)

and the media. Obama is a disaster for us in November and the media is determined to get him the nomination.

DON'T COUNT THE VOTES, DON'T COUNT THE VOTES.... Obama and the Obamaettes... spring 2008

by TeresaINPennsylvania on Sun Mar 16, 2008 at 07:04:16 PM EST
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Re: Donna Brazile is lying about Wright's moderate (none / 0)

"If Wright is a "moderate" what the hell is going on that Brazile finds extreme?"

Human sacrifice, perhaps?

allprogressives.com

by Scan on Sun Mar 16, 2008 at 07:37:04 PM EST
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Re: Donna Brazile is lying about Wright's moderate (none / 0)

Wow... the Democratic icons are dropping like flies in the blogosphere these days...

I still listen to Donna... I like hearing her perspective on things... I've never run a campaign, she has...

Like the nominee, don't like the nominee... Our nominee is still better than John McCain...

by JenKinFLA on Mon Mar 17, 2008 at 12:22:55 AM EST
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Re: Donna Brazile is lying about Wright's moderate (none / 0)

Yeah - that's exactly it. She's all about human sacrifice.

Honestly, do you all read what you write before hitting "post"? Or do you just spew vile crap and leave it at that?

by Elise on Mon Mar 17, 2008 at 01:53:50 AM EST
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Re: Donna Brazile is lying about Wright's moderate (none / 0)

Read it again. I'm speculating about what she would find extreme in a church service. Its a JOKE!

allprogressives.com

by Scan on Mon Mar 17, 2008 at 02:10:17 AM EST
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Re: Donna Brazile is lying about Wright's moderate (2.00 / 4)

I used to like Brazile because I thought she was a fair, neutral Democrat, but it is become increasingly clear that she is working in the media, on CNN and ABC to tout Obama; just see, everytime anyone mentions that Obama is helped by his race in MS, AL, VA, she counters strongly and you can see the anger on her face. CNN should fire her just like they did Carville and Begala as per the request by the Obama Camp.

by American1989 on Sun Mar 16, 2008 at 05:02:59 PM EST

Re: Donna Brazile (2.00 / 5)

At a minimum, CNN should be responsible enough to identify Brazile as an Obama supporter and not portray her as an independent Democratic strategist.

What would Eleanor Roosevelt do?

by ricardo4 on Sun Mar 16, 2008 at 05:08:22 PM EST
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by moevaughn on Mon Mar 17, 2008 at 08:19:15 AM EST
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and both Donna Brazille and Howard Dean should resign from DNC for obviously shaping (to put it mildly) the presidential primary outcome from the outset by forcing FL and MI out of the race. like MSM they chose their candidate early on and did all in their power to push him into becoming the party's nominee.

Re: Donna Brazile (2.00 / 4)

Donna's spinning it to make her candidate look better in the eyes of some pretty disgusted Americans. This story has the potential to kill Obama's 2008 run, and Brazile knows it. But no matter what she says, she's powerless to stop the inevitable. Stick a fork in it---Obama's done.

by izarradar on Sun Mar 16, 2008 at 05:04:07 PM EST

You're right (none / 0)

An overdone phrase---No pun intended. Thanks for your excellent editing skills.

by izarradar on Sun Mar 16, 2008 at 06:56:26 PM EST
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Re: Donna Brazile (2.00 / 7)

How could she appear on CNN, ABC, MSNBC...etc as a "neutral" democratic strategist? I thought she was working for Obama. Apprently she does not even have the title of 'Obama supporter' yet.

It is quite comical to see Pelosi and Brazile pretending to be "neutral" in this race while injecting pro-Obama point of view in the media. Quite shameless.

by praxis1 on Sun Mar 16, 2008 at 05:04:58 PM EST

Re: Donna Brazile is lying about Wright's moderate (none / 0)

"Donna Brazile said on This Week that Jeremiah Wright is a moderate among black ministers. He is not."

I was expecting you to followup why why or how you've come to the conclusion that he is not.

by poserM on Sun Mar 16, 2008 at 05:05:57 PM EST

Re: Donna Brazile is lying about Wright's moderate (2.00 / 9)

I was expecting you to read the diary before commenting. I guess we're both disappointed. Even if I hadn't included two quotes showing that among black churches he is not considered a moderate, I could have added my own experiences to the diary. I attended a black church when I was in undergrad in the 80s and later worked with black ministers during 10 years of ministry experience, including getting an advanced degree in religion. I even spoke at a black church. After hearing Wright's sermons, I didn't need any other confirmation to know he wasn't a moderate. But I provided that for those wouldn't accept my own experience.

by Mike Pridmore on Sun Mar 16, 2008 at 05:18:59 PM EST
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Re: Donna Brazile is lying about Wright's moderate (2.00 / 0)

Neither of your quotes address the issue.

You first quote makes no comparison to whether he is less or more moderate then other BLACK ministers. It is a comment about "Baptist church."

Are you saying that no Baptist church would take him because he was not a moderate or mainstream BLACK baptist minister? Because your quoted comment doesn't say that. It says NOT BAPTIST CHURCH WOULD TAKE HIM. The rest, like your entire diary, is left to inferences and innuendos.

Your second quote says that Obama recounted that Wright "warned the community activist that getting involved with Trinity might turn off other black clergy because of the church's radical reputation."

AGAIN, where does this say that it would turn off other moderate, conservative, radical, mainstream etc. black clergy?

Sorry, but we are all left, AGAIN, to assume what you would would like us to believe. That he actually meant to say "... getting involved with Trinity might turn off [MOST or pperhaps the vast majority of] black clergy because of the church's radical reputation."

Notice the difference? You should go get some proof and come back.

by poserM on Sun Mar 16, 2008 at 05:46:15 PM EST
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Re: Donna Brazile is lying about Wright's moderate (none / 0)

OK, when you eliminate Baptists, you can't compare him to MLK at all. And if you eliminate Baptists, you have taken out all kinds of Baptists, from conservative to liberal. Third, his black power agenda is immoderate in other protestant denominations, not to mention Catholic. You see all kinds of black ministers wearing robes, but hardly any dashikis. I happen to agree with Wright about his opposition to those who preach a gospel of wealth, but opposition to that is not what makes him radical. Finally, the word radical is used by Wright himself as self-descriptive, so he admits to not being moderate. When you say he does not say who he is comparing himself to, I have to say the context implies he means radical compared to the whole of black congregations.

Where do you think he would be considered a moderate? I know ministers from all kinds of black churches and I can't think of a single one who would consider him a moderate.

by Mike Pridmore on Sun Mar 16, 2008 at 06:39:17 PM EST
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Re: Donna Brazile is lying about Wright's moderate (none / 0)

He grew that church from 87 people to over 8000 member's today. He must have done something right to have that size of a church.

Are you saying that all of those black member's are radical and should be condemned for belonging to that church.

by BDM on Sun Mar 16, 2008 at 05:56:15 PM EST
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Re: Donna Brazile is lying about Wright's moderate (none / 0)

Well, the ones who were jumping up and down and dancing when he said God d**n America certainly make me nervous. As for condemning them, that isn't even what I said about Wright. I simply said he isn't moderate. I'm not condemning anyone.

by Mike Pridmore on Sun Mar 16, 2008 at 06:53:00 PM EST
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Re: Donna Brazile is lying about Wright's moderate (none / 0)

I comdemn as a Christian and Black. Obama pastor is not moderate at all and he is not a using Christian Theology...it's his own brand of Hate the "blue eye" devil.

Anyone that says this man is a moderate must is saying Martin Luther King Jr. is like this same man.

"A genuine leader is not a searcher for consensus but a molder of consensus." "A lie cannot live." ---Martin Luther King jr.

by carbynew on Sun Mar 16, 2008 at 07:40:37 PM EST
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Re: mlk (none / 0)

I really like your consensus quote from MLK. Thank you.

by moevaughn on Mon Mar 17, 2008 at 08:23:33 AM EST
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Re: Donna Brazile is lying about Wright's moderate (none / 0)

Have any of you people actually read stuff by King? There's plenty in King that I'm sure you all would find "racist" and "hate-filled," etc., if you were of a mind to.

Second, and slowly now - the guy is affiliated with a mostly white, mainline protestant organization. If he's such an outrageous racist, why has he maintained ties with a mostly white national church for so many years?

by jlk7e on Mon Mar 17, 2008 at 11:42:33 AM EST
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Re: Donna Brazile is lying about Wright's moderate (2.00 / 1)

Jerry Fallwell founded Thomas Road Baptist Church with 35 members, and it has grown to over 24,000 members today. By your measure, I guess Fallwell must have done even more things right than Wright, huh?

Hateful ideas are not somehow cleansed by the fact that their originator can get followers to believe them. Just the opposite, IMHO. Spreading the hate to more people just makes it worse.

Your attempt to change the subject to "the issues" is irrelevant.

by itsthemedia on Mon Mar 17, 2008 at 03:46:34 AM EST
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I read the whole post (none / 0)

and the article from the link provided.

While I may disagree with your conclusion, I have deeper concerns with your methods. I simply fail to understand how two isolated statements, taken from widely disparate places in a fairly long and generally positive story on Rev. Wright - a story that appeared in the uber-conservative Chicago Tribune, constitutes "proof" for your assertion that Ms. Brazile is "lying."

Moreover, while your experience in religious communities, may make it possible for you to express an opinion that Brazile is being disingenuous, it, similarly, does not constitute "proof."

by UrbanRedneck on Sun Mar 16, 2008 at 06:02:56 PM EST
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whaaaaaaaaa?? (none / 0)

you are kidding right? You aren't some low information, TV gives you all your news", casual observer. You are here on Al Gore's internets, you have seen the videos. What exactly do you need explained to you? In what way do you think he is moderate? Do you think there are black preachers out there preaching "kill whitey" or what? How could this joker be less moderate?

DON'T COUNT THE VOTES, DON'T COUNT THE VOTES.... Obama and the Obamaettes... spring 2008

by TeresaINPennsylvania on Sun Mar 16, 2008 at 07:16:29 PM EST
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Looks to me like real right wingers (2.00 / 1)

now supporting Clinton?

Of does it matter so long as you can destroy the Democratic Party. Good job spreading hate.

by TomP on Sun Mar 16, 2008 at 05:06:31 PM EST

Re: Looks to me like real right wingers (2.00 / 5)

OK, which rightwinger are you talking about? And how is this comment relevant to the diary?

by Mike Pridmore on Sun Mar 16, 2008 at 05:21:45 PM EST
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HUH?! (2.00 / 3)

Make history with Hillary today! :-)

by atdleft on Sun Mar 16, 2008 at 05:27:09 PM EST
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HUH?! (2.00 / 3)

How is Mike "spreading hate" by pointing out that Jeremiah Wright is no "moderate" when he spews his crazy hate from his pulpit?

Make history with Hillary today! :-)

by atdleft on Sun Mar 16, 2008 at 05:28:13 PM EST
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Re: HUH?! (none / 0)

Because he is doing the job of the right-wing nuts? And we, as Democrats, should all stand together in defense against right-wing smears, even if we are in the midst of a primary?

by marcotom on Sun Mar 16, 2008 at 05:41:22 PM EST
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Re: HUH?! (2.00 / 1)

So you are saying we should call a lie the truth? Yeah that's really gonna beat the Republicans in November.

by Mike Pridmore on Sun Mar 16, 2008 at 07:15:16 PM EST
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that's nuts (2.00 / 1)

he is not doing the job of right wingers. He and all the rest of us know that the right wing is saving this shit up to crucify us with in November.
Do you think they wouldn't know all of this without Clinton supporters? That's just naive.
And screw that anyway. Obama has tried his best to damage Clinton. You should take the damn plank our of your own eye.

DON'T COUNT THE VOTES, DON'T COUNT THE VOTES.... Obama and the Obamaettes... spring 2008

by TeresaINPennsylvania on Sun Mar 16, 2008 at 07:19:35 PM EST
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Re: Looks to me like real right wingers (2.00 / 1)

Donna Brazile is working to destroy the party. If she's a dem who says that Wright is a moderate she damages both AA's and the party. I think most people would see Wright as an extreme radical bordering on tin foil hat territory.

by Ga6thDem on Sun Mar 16, 2008 at 08:25:24 PM EST
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Can we write CNN? Jamal is for Obama too (2.00 / 5)

This is so ridiculous, I am so fed up with people pretending to be neutral.

by catfish1 on Sun Mar 16, 2008 at 05:08:06 PM EST

Re: Can we write CNN? Jamal is for Obama too (2.00 / 2)

At least they label him as an Obama supporter there. Donna should also be labeled.

by Mike Pridmore on Sun Mar 16, 2008 at 05:23:05 PM EST
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maybe we should wear patches 2 indentify ourselves (none / 0)

You dispassionate Hillary supporters can make it a law so that you can tell which one of us are Obama supporters and not real people like you.

by TMP on Sun Mar 16, 2008 at 08:13:00 PM EST
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Re: maybe we should wear patches 2 indentify ourse (none / 0)

puhleeze They identify those who are known supporters of both candidates. This is not some "mark of the beast" as you seem to think, but rather honest labeling of those political commentators giving their prespective. Have you not been watching TV and noticed the labels?

by Mike Pridmore on Sun Mar 16, 2008 at 09:52:40 PM EST
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Re: maybe we should wear patches 2 indentify ourse (none / 0)

Could it actually be that Donna Brazille, Chelsea Clinton's godmother, has a legitimate and valid perspective as a Black woman that informs her opinions on Black cultural matters? Has things gotten so bad in the pro-Hillary camp that a Black woman pointing out something that is true about Black culture is some how pro-Obama?

by TMP on Sun Mar 16, 2008 at 10:58:17 PM EST
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Re: maybe we should wear patches 2 indentify ourse (none / 0)

Nope. Brazile is lying. And if I were most black people I would be angry with her for saying Wright was moderate among black Christians. It makes others look bad too.

by Mike Pridmore on Mon Mar 17, 2008 at 12:01:50 AM EST
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Re: Can we write CNN? Jamal is for Obama too (none / 0)

Yes, but Jamal is clearly identified as an Obama supporter, and he makes no bones about it.

by Denny Crane on Mon Mar 17, 2008 at 12:19:55 AM EST
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Poor Donna- she is really stuck in the middle (2.00 / 2)

but her leaning is obvious.

Honesty is always the best Policy. Go Hillary Go!

by roseeriter on Sun Mar 16, 2008 at 05:08:24 PM EST

Re: Donna Brazile is lying about Wright's moderate (2.00 / 1)

It does not take many words to tell the truth Chief Joseph - Nez Perce

by Gabriele Droz on Sun Mar 16, 2008 at 05:09:29 PM EST

Re: Donna Brazile is lying about Wright's moderate (2.00 / 3)

Whoops, tried to embed video, didn't work.

Oh Donna, oh Donna. I'll miss you.

Link instead:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1mKHkz6A3 Fk

It does not take many words to tell the truth Chief Joseph - Nez Perce

by Gabriele Droz on Sun Mar 16, 2008 at 05:13:18 PM EST
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by liberalj on Sun Mar 16, 2008 at 05:17:51 PM EST

I think Donna Brazile knows she's more help to Obama as a 'neutral' commentator than as an endorser.

Pelosi is doing a good impression of backing Obama, coming out against a joint ticket and taking his side over FL and MI.

What Obama's pastor thinks, and what Obama thinks aren't necessarily the same. This guy isn't a moderate, but i don't see why this should be a major problem for Obama. It doesn't bother me.

by liberalj on Sun Mar 16, 2008 at 05:46:26 PM EST
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Obama's lack of committment to UHC bothers me, the fact the Republicans are going to rip him apart on national security bothers me, the fact he seems to believe every attack on him is illegitimate bothers me....

But this not so much. His pastor has some crazy views. Obama has disavowed them.

by liberalj on Sun Mar 16, 2008 at 05:57:21 PM EST
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I do THINK. Still, this doesn't personally bother me too much.

What does bother me is that this kind of thing will bother a lot of people, and i'm starting to worry that Obama is going to crash and burn in the GE.

HUH? (none / 0)

In an effort to urge you to take your own advice ("THINK"):

What, exactly, is this "central belief" that "Wright says?"

"[P]robably a Black Separatist." Where do you find, anywhere in Obama's words, his writing, his speeches or his work as a legislator any support for this as hominem assertion?

Your whole comment in nothing more than a transparent rant utilizing guilt by association tactics which have little place in civil political discourse.

by UrbanRedneck on Sun Mar 16, 2008 at 06:15:44 PM EST
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Re: Donna Brazile (2.00 / 1)

Would this sermon bother you:

And don't let anybody make you think that God chose America as his divine, messianic force to be a sort of policeman of the whole world. God has a way of standing before the nations with judgment, and it seems that I can hear God saying to America, "You're too arrogant! And if you don't change your ways, I will rise up and break the backbone of your power, and I'll place it in the hands of a nation that doesn't even know my name. Be still and know that I'm God."

by BDM on Sun Mar 16, 2008 at 05:58:13 PM EST
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Somebody give me an (none / 0)

Amen.

by UrbanRedneck on Sun Mar 16, 2008 at 06:18:54 PM EST
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by Ga6thDem on Sun Mar 16, 2008 at 08:28:20 PM EST
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Pretty much the same thing that Falwell and Robertson and plenty of radical fundamentalist ministers said down here after 9/11. They all believe that we deserved those attacks.

by BDM on Sun Mar 16, 2008 at 11:39:33 PM EST
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That sermon was given by Martin Luther King JR in 1968.

The comments above show that you would not respect Dr. King and that he would not be respected by white america today according to your post.you. Funny how over time he has been honored and quoted by even right wing America

by Mike Pridmore on Mon Mar 17, 2008 at 12:24:13 AM EST
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Where is the part where he said "God d**n America"? O wait, he didn't. And that last part is a quote from the Bible.

by Ga6thDem on Mon Mar 17, 2008 at 09:40:07 AM EST
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If you don't think that it looks completely different in today's prism then you don't see any problem with Wright I guess.

I'm a Buddhist, but I don't see a problem with that. Is that Dr. King?

by Denny Crane on Mon Mar 17, 2008 at 12:22:39 AM EST
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because Obama is LYING (none / 0)

about how close they are and that he never heard Wright say any of this... that is such bullshit and just more in a long line of lies from this man.
It will hurt him in the GE and if he is the nominee you can look forward to a 50 win by McCain.

Obama had choices and he went to this church for 20 years and he had this man perform all the most important ceremonies of his life.

DON'T COUNT THE VOTES, DON'T COUNT THE VOTES.... Obama and the Obamaettes... spring 2008

by TeresaINPennsylvania on Sun Mar 16, 2008 at 07:31:00 PM EST
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Re: Donna Brazile is lying about Wright's moderate (none / 0)

"Lying" is a pretty weighty charge. You'd better back it up: prove she's lying rather than just plain wrong - they're hardly the same thing.

The Wayward Episcopalian

by Transplanted Texan on Sun Mar 16, 2008 at 05:19:52 PM EST

Re: Donna Brazile is lying about Wright's moderate (2.00 / 1)

A lie is a lie. What she said is not true. Therefore it is a lie. Whether it is an intentional lie is for others to say. But it is a lie.

by Mike Pridmore on Sun Mar 16, 2008 at 05:26:01 PM EST
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Re: Donna Brazile is lying about Wright's moderate (2.00 / 0)

The definition of "a lie" is more than "something that is not true." If a kid gets an 75 on his math test, that means 25% of what he said on the test was not true - does that make him a liar?

Per Random House via Dictionary.com, the first definition if a lie is "a false statement made with deliberate intent to deceive; an intentional untruth; a falsehood." The other definitions are all similar - so there's no such thing as an unintentional lie.

The Wayward Episcopalian

by Transplanted Texan on Sun Mar 16, 2008 at 05:37:30 PM EST
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Re: Donna Brazile is lying about Wright's moderate (none / 0)

Missing 25% of a math test makes you a "C" student at math. It has nothing to do with truthfulness.

by Mike Pridmore on Sun Mar 16, 2008 at 07:07:47 PM EST
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by moevaughn on Sun Mar 16, 2008 at 05:22:50 PM EST

Did anyone hear Mark Halperin's prediction at the end of the show? (hint: Edwards will endorse (fill in the blank) before NC primary.

The three amigos: Tony Rezko, the indicted fixer; Jeremiah Wright, the racist reverend; William Ayers, the unrepentant terrorist.

I watched the show but did not hear Mark's prediction. What did he say

by indus on Sun Mar 16, 2008 at 05:57:30 PM EST
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by moevaughn on Mon Mar 17, 2008 at 08:38:10 AM EST
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Hillary

by marcotom on Sun Mar 16, 2008 at 06:07:21 PM EST
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There is nothing on his "thepage" though, that seems kind of weird, because he usually puts out everything he knows there.

If Edwards or Gore endorse Obama (none / 0)

at this point, I will have lost faith in their judgment.

DON'T COUNT THE VOTES, DON'T COUNT THE VOTES.... Obama and the Obamaettes... spring 2008

by TeresaINPennsylvania on Sun Mar 16, 2008 at 07:33:47 PM EST
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Re: If Edwards or Gore endorse Obama (none / 0)

I feel the same re: Clinton.

by elrod on Sun Mar 16, 2008 at 08:46:15 PM EST
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Too bad Edwards didn't endorse (none / 0)

when his endorsement might have actually meant something. The vast majority of his supporters have already gone to other candidates. What's the point now?

by Elise on Mon Mar 17, 2008 at 01:57:12 AM EST
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