Clinton raises $3 million in one day

As a fundraising tactic, having headlines of staffers going without pay does have its emotional pull. In the last 24 hour period, Clinton is keeping pace with Moveon & Obama combined.

Obama's raised over $6 Million already this month [or more], Clinton raised $3 Million in a single day... it's another money race.

Update [2008-2-7 1:54:52 by Jerome Armstrong]: Many posters have commented that Obama's $6.4M is all from the since the Feb 5th polls closed. It may be, I was going off of an email "just sent out" at 6:25 pm today quoting David Plouffe saying, "Thanks to you, we have raised more than $3 million since the polls closed on February 5th." Obvioulsy, either the Plouffe statement is incorrect, or the graphic is wrong (or the Obama campaign is raising $500K an hour tonight), OK.

We'll go with the higher amount, so Obama's raised 2:1 over the last 24 hours, against Clinton. If they continue on like this for a few more days, Obama will have $15M to Clintons $7.5M more to spend... the point is, there is more than enough money being raised by both sides that its not really a significant advantage, especially at the Presidential level-- you need enough money but having a ton more cannot alone win it. Ask Ron Paul.

Update [2008-2-7 12:1:58 by Jerome Armstrong]: Clinton is now at over $4M and aiming for over $6M in the 72 hours following Feb 5th. Obama is at $7.5M thus far since Feb 5th.



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Re: Clinton raises $3 million in one day (2.00 / 1)

Been reading those Clinton press releases when you can't sleep?


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by jgkojak on Thu Feb 07, 2008 at 01:16:00 AM EST

$6.3mil in 24 (none / 0)

SIX POINT THREE MILLION in 24hours


by aiko on Thu Feb 07, 2008 at 01:26:29 AM EST
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Re: $6.3mil in 24 (none / 0)

One may assume that most of these monies on either side will be spent on TV ads. Still, I heard some commentators discussing the run up to Feb 5 vote indicating that the ads have not actually been that effective, or perhaps not as effective as news coverage of candidate swings into a state, which is free advertising, actually.


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by shergald on Thu Feb 07, 2008 at 07:41:52 AM EST
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Re: Clinton raises $3 million in one day (2.00 / 1)

correction, Obama has doubled that, as he is now over $6 million since Feb 5th.

Nice try and spin it as a win for Hillary though...


by Jim Engler on Thu Feb 07, 2008 at 01:16:46 AM EST

Re: Clinton raises $3 million in one day (2.00 / 1)

wow- kind of shallow. the politics of change is not the politics of we can out fundraise you? i dont care where he's getting his money from. the fact is this too much money involved in the political process.


by bruh21 on Thu Feb 07, 2008 at 01:20:17 AM EST
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Re: Clinton raises $3 million in one day (none / 0)

gotta play by the rules as they are, not as you want them to be.


by Jim Engler on Thu Feb 07, 2008 at 01:20:56 AM EST
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Re: Clinton raises $3 million in one day (2.00 / 0)

Well I think the point was that Jerome's post was deliberately deceptive in a manner that was meant to make the situation look better for Sen. Clinton than it actually is, not any larger point about "the politics of change" or the place of private money in political campaigns.


Never separate the life you live from the words you speak. -Sen. Paul Wellstone (Minnesota)
by Max Fletcher on Thu Feb 07, 2008 at 01:24:15 AM EST
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Just read it (1.66 / 3)

Now, it's deceptive for me to take the Obama campaign's word?

http://my.barackobama.com/page/community /post/samgrahamfelsen/CGGpp

"Thanks to you, we have raised more than $3 million since the polls closed on February 5th. But we have no choice -- we must match their $5 million right now."


by Jerome Armstrong on Thu Feb 07, 2008 at 01:26:20 AM EST
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Re: Just read it (2.00 / 2)

It's deceptive to ignore the running total box alongside that, which is over $6M.


by hrcisthemachine on Thu Feb 07, 2008 at 01:28:14 AM EST
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Re: Just read it (none / 0)

Exactly.


by tracey webb on Thu Feb 07, 2008 at 08:33:54 AM EST
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You also imply in your post (2.00 / 1)

--- "Obama's raised over $5 Million already this month" --- that his fundraising number today of $6.4 million is from the start of the month, when it's only since the close of the polls.


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by psericks on Thu Feb 07, 2008 at 01:36:56 AM EST
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It is (2.00 / 1)

Unless you are posting from a Blackberry or an old browser and can't see the picture next to the text with the updated totals, then you are definitely being deceptive.


Never separate the life you live from the words you speak. -Sen. Paul Wellstone (Minnesota)
by Max Fletcher on Thu Feb 07, 2008 at 01:37:24 AM EST
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Re: It is (1.00 / 1)

No, I'm taking David Plouffe at his word when he wrote at 6:25 PM tonight that: "Thanks to you, we have raised more than $3 million since the polls closed on February 5th."


by Jerome Armstrong on Thu Feb 07, 2008 at 01:39:22 AM EST
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Re: It is (2.00 / 1)

http://my.barackobama.com/page/contribut e_c/sincefeb5_email/graphic


by animated on Thu Feb 07, 2008 at 01:40:03 AM EST
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Re: It is (2.00 / 0)

So...you're citing one part of the website and deliberately ignoring another, even when they're consistent with one another?  This is seriously bizarre.  If you disagree with the $6.3 million, why don't you just say it, rather than pretend it doesn't exist?


by rfahey22 on Thu Feb 07, 2008 at 01:49:16 AM EST
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Re: It is (2.00 / 1)

I updated the post; I'm not the one that's confused and sending out two different messages.


by Jerome Armstrong on Thu Feb 07, 2008 at 01:56:22 AM EST
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Re: It is (2.00 / 1)

It's not confusing at all. The letter has a timestamp on it. The web graphic is being dynamically updated.


by animated on Thu Feb 07, 2008 at 01:58:21 AM EST
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Re: It is (2.00 / 0)

Actually, they're consistent with one another.  $6 million is "more than" $3 million.


by rfahey22 on Thu Feb 07, 2008 at 02:28:53 AM EST
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Re: It is (none / 0)

I noticed you put "just sent out" in quotes so I think you noticed that just because you got the email at a certain time does not mean that's when he sent it.  I have 2 email addresses that I receive his emails from and I received 1 mid afternoon and the same one (to the other email) about 5 hours later.

When mass emailing they can be staggered over a long period of time depending on the capacity of the mail server sending them.


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by recusancy on Thu Feb 07, 2008 at 02:01:19 AM EST
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Re: It is (1.00 / 3)

Hmm, maybe I was quoting something from the link?  Ya think?


by Jerome Armstrong on Thu Feb 07, 2008 at 02:09:07 AM EST
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Re: It is (2.00 / 0)

Now people are giving zeros to Jerome.  Awesome!


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by Steve M on Thu Feb 07, 2008 at 02:24:50 AM EST
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Re: It is (none / 0)

Well... You seemed confused with what was going on concerning the actual number of what they raised as apposed to what they said they raised when the email was sent.


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by recusancy on Thu Feb 07, 2008 at 03:07:56 AM EST
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Re: Just read it (1.00 / 1)

Jerome,

When did you become such a shill?


by JackBourassa on Thu Feb 07, 2008 at 01:39:06 AM EST
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Re: Just read it (none / 0)

This is an aside to Jerome.

Can I get a straight answer: is the problem with my signature graphic, its size or the Jimmy Carter graphic itself? Thanks.


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by shergald on Thu Feb 07, 2008 at 08:52:34 AM EST
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PS: Above relates to my signature graphic... (none / 0)

being erased without comment. If the Jimmy Carter graphic is offensive, are there any limitations on TEXT being used? If not, what size graphic is preferable. Have there been complaints about the nature of the graphic?


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by shergald on Thu Feb 07, 2008 at 08:56:17 AM EST
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Re: Clinton raises $3 million in one day (2.00 / 1)

Max Fletcher,  I like the quote from Wellstone. What a wonderful person!


by Enviro on Thu Feb 07, 2008 at 01:58:56 AM EST
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Re: Clinton raises $3 million in one day (none / 0)

It's not really about the money.  It's about an outpouring of support.

You know how it is when your review comes around and your boss says 'good job' and pats you on the back. I once told a boss the only way for him to say 'good job' was to give me a raise.  Show me the money! ;~)


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by GFORD on Thu Feb 07, 2008 at 02:42:45 AM EST
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Re: Clinton raises $3 million in one day (none / 0)

its about the money.


by bruh21 on Thu Feb 07, 2008 at 09:13:10 AM EST
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Re: you can't spin this (none / 0)

Obama more than double her take. So you think she's keeping pace? Wait till tomorrow when start hitting my college friends for more of their beer money.


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by Jr1886 on Thu Feb 07, 2008 at 01:22:01 AM EST
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Re: Clinton raises $3 million in one day (2.00 / 1)

Not according to the campaign:

"Thanks to you, we have raised more than $3 million since the polls closed on February 5th."
http://my.barackobama.com/page/community /post/samgrahamfelsen/CGGpp


by Jerome Armstrong on Thu Feb 07, 2008 at 01:25:07 AM EST
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Re: Clinton raises $3 million in one day (2.00 / 0)

did you even look at the page before you posted it?  

Look at the counter for pete's sake...


by Jim Engler on Thu Feb 07, 2008 at 01:27:17 AM EST
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see for yourself (none / 0)


http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0 208/No_choice.html
by aiko on Thu Feb 07, 2008 at 01:27:32 AM EST
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Re: see for yourself (2.00 / 2)

Didn't you just post a diary saying she was finished was broke and was dropping out.

See that didn't even last 3 hours before you were proven wrong.


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by lori on Thu Feb 07, 2008 at 01:32:01 AM EST
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Re: Clinton raises $3 million in one day (2.00 / 0)

The page you linked to shows they have raised $6.3 million and counting since Feb. 5.


by animated on Thu Feb 07, 2008 at 01:27:52 AM EST
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Re: Clinton raises $3 million in one day (2.00 / 0)

ha. check out the graphic again jerome. it's a live update.


by along on Thu Feb 07, 2008 at 01:27:58 AM EST
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Re: Clinton raises $3 million in one day (none / 0)

so Obama has raised no money since 6:45pm when that post was made?  Give me a break


by Jim Engler on Thu Feb 07, 2008 at 01:29:52 AM EST
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That's from the email that announced (none / 0)

the beginning of the fundraising drive.  They then went up to $6.4 million.


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by psericks on Thu Feb 07, 2008 at 01:33:07 AM EST
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Clinton's problem: Mark Penn (none / 0)

According to Andrea Mitchell. Mark Penn charged $4 million for his services. So basically, yesterday's fundraising paid for Mark Penn.

Hope he is worth it.


by commoncents on Thu Feb 07, 2008 at 08:26:23 AM EST
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Re: Clinton raises $3 million in one day (2.00 / 2)

I'm determined to do everything I can to help Hillary.  And some of the nastier Obama fans can thanks themselves for that.  Some of the gleeful comments have been so over the top I've already donated 3 times in the last 24 hours, and I'll be going again in a few days when that refund check hits the account.

Go Hilary!


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by Denny Crane on Thu Feb 07, 2008 at 01:16:53 AM EST

Re: Clinton raises $3 million in one day (none / 0)

Queen Hillary needs help? But she was inevitable!!

Hubris + zero charisma means even the machine can't save her.

And that's a good thing, unless you want President McCain.

Hillary is a terrific uniter. Of the Republican party.


by hrcisthemachine on Thu Feb 07, 2008 at 01:24:42 AM EST
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Re: Clinton raises $3 million in one day (none / 0)

Good for you.

I sent some dough to Obama, I tell people how wonderful he is, pass along stories about his accomplishments, etc.

I assume you do the same for Clinton.

Obama supporters aren't angry at Clinton supporters for supporting her.  That's what supporters do, eh?


No Way, No How, No McCain!
by GFORD on Thu Feb 07, 2008 at 02:48:28 AM EST
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Re: Clinton raises $3 million in one day (none / 0)

huh? Jerome, Obama has raised over 6 million in the past 24 hours:
http://my.barackobama.com/page/community /post/samgrahamfelsen/CGGpp
by along on Thu Feb 07, 2008 at 01:18:56 AM EST

Re: Clinton raises $3 million in one day (2.00 / 1)

holy cow, you guys all get the talking points but none of you read them.... just one after the other...


by Jerome Armstrong on Thu Feb 07, 2008 at 01:27:46 AM EST
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Re: Clinton raises $3 million in one day (none / 0)

sorry, don't follow.


by along on Thu Feb 07, 2008 at 01:28:57 AM EST
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Re: Clinton raises $3 million in one day (none / 0)

There's a running counter. Did you look at it?


by Progressive America on Thu Feb 07, 2008 at 01:31:28 AM EST
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Re: Clinton raises $3 million in one day (none / 0)

Here's the running total.

It's not a talking point. It's just a number that keeps going up.


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by recusancy on Thu Feb 07, 2008 at 01:39:14 AM EST
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Re: Clinton raises $3 million in one day (none / 0)

Obama has raised over $6 million in one day.


by Progressive America on Thu Feb 07, 2008 at 01:21:16 AM EST

Re: Clinton raises $3 million in one day (2.00 / 2)

Hillary isn't keeping the pace. She's at half the pace, at best.

That's what happens when you've tapped out your non-grassroots, machine-driven campaign.


by hrcisthemachine on Thu Feb 07, 2008 at 01:21:31 AM EST

Re: Clinton raises $3 million in one day (1.00 / 0)

Hillary's grassroot is made up of poor people or middle class Americans. Just because the true hard working Americans can not afford to donate money like the lazy wine drinking hope filled liberals and independents, doesnt mean she doesnt have grassroot appeal.

Who voted for Hillary? Go look at them (after you have finished your wine and spewed hatred for fellow Americans) and then understand why Hillary is still standing inspite of your rich elite media driven hatred filled campaign.


by Sandeep on Thu Feb 07, 2008 at 01:43:18 AM EST
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Re: Clinton raises $3 million in one day (none / 0)

Spoken like a true Republican.  I think that hit on about every Fox stereotype.  Good job.


by rfahey22 on Thu Feb 07, 2008 at 01:45:40 AM EST
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Re: Clinton raises $3 million in one day (none / 0)

In the last 24 hour period, Clinton is keeping pace with Moveon & Obama combined.

Where is the evidence for that?


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by KCinDC on Thu Feb 07, 2008 at 01:22:11 AM EST

Re: Clinton raises $3 million in one day (none / 0)

lol...common, I know you saw the MoveOn email earlier today.


by 1986dude on Thu Feb 07, 2008 at 02:16:58 AM EST
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Re: Clinton raises $3 million in one day (none / 0)

Is the amount MoveOn is raising for him part of that 6.4 mil or are they gathering it separate and then giving it to him all in a bunch?


John McCain defends Bush's Iraq strategy.
by recusancy on Thu Feb 07, 2008 at 02:25:00 AM EST
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Re: Clinton raises $3 million in one day (2.00 / 1)

Well i just donated to Clinton...I think the main point was people are trying to say "she can't raise any more money" when clearly, she can.


by werd2406 on Thu Feb 07, 2008 at 01:24:15 AM EST

Re: Clinton raises $3 million in one day (2.00 / 1)

It was a good take for Hillary. In a normal day, it would be top headlines. Unfortunately for her campaign, Obama just did even better. Now he'll be getting the top headlines tomorrow.


by Progressive America on Thu Feb 07, 2008 at 01:24:35 AM EST

Hey Jerome (none / 0)

I thought cash was over-rated at the Presidential level?


John McCain defends Bush's Iraq strategy.
by recusancy on Thu Feb 07, 2008 at 01:25:15 AM EST

Re: Hey Jerome (2.00 / 1)

It still is-- the brevity is about all I could do.


by Jerome Armstrong on Thu Feb 07, 2008 at 01:28:35 AM EST
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Re: Clinton raises $3 million in one day (none / 0)

Has anyone confirmed that was a Clinton email? Sorry but the fact it was started by Taylor Marsh, who even labeled it "unverified" and then was posted on a DailyKos blog just seems odd.


by dwightkschrute on Thu Feb 07, 2008 at 01:27:18 AM EST

Re: Clinton raises $3 million in one day (2.00 / 1)

I've confirmed it.


by Jerome Armstrong on Thu Feb 07, 2008 at 01:29:10 AM EST
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Re: Clinton raises $3 million in one day (none / 0)

Have you confirmed that it was as much as the day's take for Obama and MoveOn combined?


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by KCinDC on Thu Feb 07, 2008 at 01:33:33 AM EST
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Re: Clinton raises $3 million in one day (none / 0)

Still the premise that she raised 3 mil in 24 hours  sounds suspicious from the original poster over at Kos:
"an unverified excerpt from an email from Hillary's campaign that's being passed around on the Net"

Not that she doesn't have the resouces, but I'll wait for a source.

Either way Obama is up to 6.4 at 11:15 PST.
I mean 3 IS million is a lot, but DAMN!


by Cohee on Thu Feb 07, 2008 at 02:16:25 AM EST
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Re: Clinton raises $3 million in one day (none / 0)

If you have confirmed it, could you please provide better sourcing than a Kos diary please.

I'm not saying it isn't possible, but haven't seen it in a real press outlet.  


by cswartout on Thu Feb 07, 2008 at 09:11:32 AM EST
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Re: Clinton raises $3 million in one day (none / 0)

I can't find any verification anywhere other than a Daily Kos diary and Taylor marsh.

When I posted a comment, very very polite, asking for verification on this email, it was never posted to her web site.

Hmmm.


by cswartout on Thu Feb 07, 2008 at 09:09:19 AM EST
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Re: Clinton raises $3 million in one day (1.50 / 2)

$2.9M of it was probably another loan from the Bill&Hill checking acct.


by hrcisthemachine on Thu Feb 07, 2008 at 01:27:18 AM EST

Re: Clinton raises $3 million in one day (none / 0)

No actually it wasn't. It included donations from lots of people like me. Oh wait, I don't support Obama so I don't exist. I forgot.

But as a poster said above, keep talking. The more you sneer and snarl, the better she looks.


by cath on Thu Feb 07, 2008 at 02:02:34 AM EST
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Re: Clinton raises $3 million in one day (2.00 / 1)

These kinds of posts really hurt HRC's campaign.  She can not - CAN NOT - get into a fund raising war with the Obama camp.  He has over 96% non-maxed, and he will just destroy her.  Posts like these fire up the troops, and that doesn't even take into account that the post is factually inaccurate, seeing that Obama has raised $6.38 million in the last 26 hours.  This stuff really hurts Hillary - factually wrong and red meat for the Obama supporters to dump more money into his war chest.


by Pat Flatley on Thu Feb 07, 2008 at 01:32:49 AM EST

Re: Clinton raises $3 million in one day (1.33 / 3)

You couldn't be more wrong. So what if she "loses" it's the smartest thing in the world for the Clinton campaign to say "double up" right now "so we can match Obama".


by Jerome Armstrong on Thu Feb 07, 2008 at 01:34:44 AM EST
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Re: Clinton raises $3 million in one day (none / 0)

Yeah i mean..the days are winding down...get your money while you can and run with it.


by werd2406 on Thu Feb 07, 2008 at 01:36:11 AM EST
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Re: Clinton raises $3 million in one day (none / 0)

Okay, feel free to look at it that way.  But I think we'd all appreciate it - HRC and Obama supporters alike - if you'd present an honest argument.  Your first post was not accurate and will result in money being pumped into the Obama camp.  Call me a name if you must, but this is reality.


by Pat Flatley on Thu Feb 07, 2008 at 01:38:00 AM EST
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You just don't understand (none / 0)

Jerome,

She can't attempt to match Obama.  Anything she tries to raise will be matched and doubled again. And then again.  She doesn't have the support to keep this up over the course of an entire month either, which I'm sure you know.  


by Cycloptichorn on Thu Feb 07, 2008 at 01:39:35 AM EST
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Re: You just don't understand (none / 0)

She doesn't need to match, or win, she just needs to get her supporters exited about raising the money. However much she raises betters their situation. What do you expect them to do, roll over and concede fundraising already? Obviously, $3M is an impressive haul in a single day, and its gotten under the skin of a few Obama supporters here.


by Jerome Armstrong on Thu Feb 07, 2008 at 01:42:30 AM EST
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Re: You just don't understand (none / 0)

the fact she raised $3 million doesn't bother me at all. I congratulate her team on raising an impressive number

What bothers me is your complete inability to state the facts and numbers completely, and correctly.


by Jim Engler on Thu Feb 07, 2008 at 01:46:34 AM EST
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Re: You just don't understand (none / 0)

no, you have gotten under their skin. your edit of your post is even more pathetic than the original.

It should read:

Obama's raised over $6 Million already in a single day, Clinton raised $3 Million in a single day... it's another money race.

But that isn't really post-worthy. So you just conflate the last day's total with the total for the month. pathetic spin.


by along on Thu Feb 07, 2008 at 01:47:02 AM EST
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Re: You just don't understand (2.00 / 2)

But the disingenuousness of your argument is transparent: Obama has raised $6.38 million in 26 hours, and it would be reasonable to assume he's over $10 million for the month.  In fact, I'd bet a considerable sum on that.  You originally suggested that he "raised over $5 million," which, while technically accurate, is very misleading.  One could easily say that HRC's campaign has "raised over ten dollars" or that "she had to write her campaign a multi-million dollar check."  All three of these statements are technically accurate, but all three are highly misleading.  I hope that your original frame was intentional, though it's a bit obvious and will serve to generate some cash for the Obama folks.


by Pat Flatley on Thu Feb 07, 2008 at 01:49:34 AM EST
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But you see (2.00 / 2)

There is no reason to try and explain, because Jerome did this deliberately. He is a dishonest hack who loathes Obama so much, there is no tactic too low for him.


by taylormattd on Thu Feb 07, 2008 at 03:02:02 AM EST
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Of course she does! (2.00 / 1)

Of course she needs to, Jerome.  C'mon.

First, she's going to lose Saturday and then probably on Tuesday as well.  You don't need us to tell you that this isn't going to spin well for her in the media.

Second, the 'loaned 5 million' story is bad.  Tomorrow it's going to be in every paper.  Clinton's camp is going to try and respond that they raised a bunch yesterday.  But the story is going to continue that Obama broke the single-day online record by a considerable margin.

Third, where is this information on her website?  Where is the counter?  Where is it on the blog?  One would think that if such big news were happening there, it would be at least posted SOMEWHERE.  So I'm not even sure that this is true.

People are getting a little heated in this thread, but you are coming off as someone who is so pro-Hillary, that you are missing the narrative that is developing.  It's got to be a little embarrassing being off on both the state count (13 or 14 for Obama, you guessed 3, right?) and the delegate count (somewhere around +5 for Obama, you predicted +100 for Clinton?), but c'mon man.


by Cycloptichorn on Thu Feb 07, 2008 at 02:05:01 AM EST
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76543... (none / 0)

that was a joke, I guessed that Obama would only take Illinois, get it straight.


by Jerome Armstrong on Thu Feb 07, 2008 at 02:11:03 AM EST
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Dude (2.00 / 2)

Are you kidding?

This wasn't you?

"But I have expected that a nomination of Clinton would become obvious on Feb 5th. I see polls all over the place, and still mostly Clinton leads, so there's not a real reason to change that prediction: that Clinton wins at least 15 states and takes a 150-200 delegate lead after Feb 5th. "

On this blog, under your name, under the title 'Feb. 5th Prediction thread?'

http://jerome-armstrong.mydd.com/story/2 008/2/5/112440/7064

Is there any objective evidence, outside of some rumors, that Hillary has raised this much money?


by Cycloptichorn on Thu Feb 07, 2008 at 02:20:37 AM EST
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Re: Dude (none / 0)

I think this diary is ridiculous too, but you claimed Jerome predicted Obama would win only three states. That's what he was denying. The actual prediction, from the link you provide, was seven. Still far off, of course.


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by KCinDC on Thu Feb 07, 2008 at 09:17:57 AM EST
[ Parent ]

why are we arguing? (2.00 / 2)

i support obama, you support hillary. neither of us will change each others minds. can we just shut up?

i think its fairly common knowledge that Jerome and MyDD are Hillary strongholds. let them have their stronghold, why don't we make phone calls and actually create change?


by excinit on Thu Feb 07, 2008 at 02:10:18 AM EST
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Re: jerome you are wrong (none / 0)

on that point. Hillary can't go on a matching war with the Obama troops. I got some friends here who are eating mostly pizza but decided to give Obama many times.

Tomorrow, I will start collecting some these beer money. It's a losing battle for Hillary.

600,000+ army strong.


"Apparently they have an 11-month calendar over there that's missing the month of February," Obama strategist David Axelrod
by Jr1886 on Thu Feb 07, 2008 at 01:42:20 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Clinton raises $3 million in one day (none / 0)

But he just used the $5 million loan to raise $6.37 million in one day.  What's to stop him from using her next fundraising drive to get even more money?  She just can't keep up the same pace, and it looks bad by comparison.


by rfahey22 on Thu Feb 07, 2008 at 01:42:39 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Clinton raises $3 million in one day (none / 0)

I know someone who is going to vote McCain if Obama wins.  Both sides have partisans who are a tad fanaticial.


by rfahey22 on Thu Feb 07, 2008 at 01:54:36 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Clinton raises $3 million in one day (none / 0)

A few right-wing tools were on Anderson Cooper tonight (i can't even tell you who they were cause I do not typically watch MSM) all saying that they would vote for Hillary over McCain. They hate McCain!


by Dari on Thu Feb 07, 2008 at 02:21:16 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Clinton raises $3 million in one day (none / 0)

I saw that.  It was actually that tool Beck saying that he would not vote for McCain, while some other guy, I think a radio personality, was arguing for McCain.  All smoke and mirrors, I would guess.  They'll say that they "came around" to McCain in the end.


by rfahey22 on Thu Feb 07, 2008 at 02:34:10 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Clinton raises $3 million in one day (none / 0)

Pull an Arlen Spector...bitch and moan about how wrong it is and then toe the party line when it comes down to voting.


No Way, No How, No McCain!
by GFORD on Thu Feb 07, 2008 at 02:55:22 AM EST
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That Move On endorsement (none / 0)

Looks like that Move On endorsement helped after all.

But I have to wonder if Hillary can keep this up. Other candidates have had big fundraising efforts online: Ron Paul, Fred Thompson for example. But then they stop. Obama keeps taking in money every day, even if not at the clip of $6 million a day.


by elrod on Thu Feb 07, 2008 at 01:35:59 AM EST

Re: That Move On endorsement (none / 0)

Maybe it's because the two are so pitted against each other right now in such a tight race. The stakes are higher for those that are so invested.


by Dari on Thu Feb 07, 2008 at 01:39:39 AM EST
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Re: Clinton raises $3 million in one day (2.00 / 1)

It's so funny to watch people try and spin $3 million in one day as irrelevant.  You know, Obama could raise $20 million and it would still be a pretty significant fact.


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by Steve M on Thu Feb 07, 2008 at 01:36:41 AM EST

Re: Clinton raises $3 million in one day (2.00 / 1)

There's no doubt about that. $3 million in one day is a tremendous amount. Basically, few others could come close. The only problem is that on the same day Obama raised twice as much. For this, Obama gets the headlines and it's unfortunate for Hillary since $3 million is not an easy thing to do and I'm not sure if she'll be able to do it again unless she pulls out some wins in the next month.


by Progressive America on Thu Feb 07, 2008 at 01:50:06 AM EST
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Re: Clinton raises $3 million in one day (none / 0)

I'm sure Obama will continue to raise all sorts of money, but as Jerome notes, the amount he raises is largely irrelevant to Clinton's strategy.  It's hilarious to read some of these posts, suggesting that somehow it's a blunder for her to have a fundraising drive because "he'll just raise more."  Truly, you can't find that kind of insight many other places.

There is a certain amount of money Clinton needs in order to compete in all the February states, to have a presence in the important districts, to hire field staff and the like.  She cares about getting to that point and it really makes no difference if Obama manages to raise twice as much.  This is not a school board election where the winner is whoever manages to run the most ads.


"Another problem we have...is that in election years we behave somewhat as primitive peoples do at the time of the full moon." --Harry Truman
by Steve M on Thu Feb 07, 2008 at 02:04:47 AM EST
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Re: Clinton raises $3 million in one day (none / 0)

I agree, I would do whatever necessary to raise as much as possible if I was her. There's a certain point where more money doesn't matter, but she needs to at least reach near that point, because Obama likely will.


by Progressive America on Thu Feb 07, 2008 at 02:07:48 AM EST
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Re: Clinton raises $3 million in one day (none / 0)

Did Obama break the all-time record for online fundraising today? I was looking around for numbers, and stumbled across this (with a Jerome quote, oddly enough):

Today, Nov. 5, marks not only Paul's best fundraising haul in a single day -- approximately $3.75 million by 11 p.m. EST -- but online observers say it's also the most money raised by a candidate on the Web in a single day. And the day's not over yet. "Damn. Wow. Um, that's pretty awesome," said a stunned Jerome Armstrong who served as Howard Dean's online strategist. Armstrong, the founder of the popular blog MyDD, said Dean raised as much as $700,000 in one day toward the end of the primary race. "But not a million," Armstrong added. "What Paul is doing -- or what his supporters are doing -- is really impressive."

I believe Paul raised $4.2 million when all was said and done, which Obama passed hours ago. Or is there a bigger record out there somewhere?


by animated on Thu Feb 07, 2008 at 01:36:45 AM EST

Paul broke their own record again in December. (none / 0)

Over $6 million.


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by psericks on Thu Feb 07, 2008 at 01:42:24 AM EST
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Re: Paul broke their own record again in December. (none / 0)

You're right. $6.04 million on Dec. 16.

Did Barack beat him? He is at $6.38 at 11:00 Pacific time. I guess it depends what they count as the start time...


by animated on Thu Feb 07, 2008 at 01:48:42 AM EST
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Re: Clinton raises $3 million in one day (2.00 / 1)

Ugh, all this talk about money is making my stomach turn. To think that people might make their voting decision based on a tv commercial.

I guess it's been going on since the beginning of time, but this is just ridiculous.


by Dari on Thu Feb 07, 2008 at 01:38:28 AM EST

Re: Clinton raises $3 million in one day (none / 0)

Obama has no choice. Hillary has been part of the public consciousness for 16 years. People downplay name recognition, but it's a real factor. Everyone on here is a political junkie or you wouldn't be on here. For huge groups of the American people, a name  (and an unusual one at that) is all they know about Obama. He needs money to introduce himself to people in a compressed time frame and then introduce his message. Clinton has the luxury of starting with her message.


by keatsheart on Thu Feb 07, 2008 at 10:45:47 AM EST
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Re: Clinton raises $3 million in one day (2.00 / 1)

Jerome,

Presumably Hillary's campaign has to pay back the $5,000,000 that she loaned to it.  So, even if she is doing well in fundraising today, a good chunk of the $$ is going back into her pocket, and will not be used to advance her campaign. $5 million out, $5 million back in.  Or am I missing something?


by global yokel on Thu Feb 07, 2008 at 01:38:39 AM EST

Re: Clinton raises $3 million in one day (none / 0)

A loan like that can be left outstanding for a long time.


by Jerome Armstrong on Thu Feb 07, 2008 at 01:44:49 AM EST
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Don't forget (none / 0)

the link that is here.
http://www.mydd.com/story/2008/2/6/23443 5/8303

Also, who knows how much it really is. Could it be 4, 5, 6 or more?


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by kevin22262 on Thu Feb 07, 2008 at 01:38:58 AM EST

Re: Clinton raises $3 million in one day (none / 0)

Is it Obama's new kind of Washington Politics?  What a change Mr. Obama?  

Yes we can! NO YOU CAN'T.


by Opandora on Thu Feb 07, 2008 at 01:39:39 AM EST

Re: Clinton raises $3 million in one day (2.00 / 2)

It's not $6 million in a month for Obama. It's $6 million in one day. $3 mil is impressive in one day for Hillary. But Obama has doubled that.


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by Dave Sund on Thu Feb 07, 2008 at 01:44:37 AM EST

Re: Clinton raises $3 million in one day (2.00 / 2)

"In the last 24 hour period, Clinton is keeping pace with Moveon & Obama combined."

This is not accurate. Obama doubled Clinton. That is not "keeping pace" by  any stretch of the imagination.


by illlaw1 on Thu Feb 07, 2008 at 01:45:00 AM EST

Re: The poliitcs of parsing (2.00 / 1)

Can you explain what keeping pace mean? I can see why you getting all these flacks for your post. Yes it's great achievement she raised 3 million today but Obama double that with over 6 million. So how's that keeping pace. You need to fix your front page.

A more appropriate description would be fundraising record for both candidates in a single day.

Now I am going to chip some more money cause you are insulting our intelligence.

Let's activate the troops. Please donate since we need to outraise Hill--raisers


"Apparently they have an 11-month calendar over there that's missing the month of February," Obama strategist David Axelrod
by Jr1886 on Thu Feb 07, 2008 at 01:51:57 AM EST
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Agh... (none / 0)

No use...no matter what Clinton does, the Obama people will claim it's "no big deal". Basically, she needs some money so if it means obama is going to double whatever she makes, go ahead, at least shes getting something from it.


by werd2406 on Thu Feb 07, 2008 at 01:45:09 AM EST

Re: Clinton raises $3 million in one day (none / 0)

Hillary's grassroot is made up of poor people or middle class Americans. Just because the true hard working Americans can not afford to donate money like the lazy wine drinking hope filled rich liberals and independents, doesnt mean she doesnt have grassroot appeal.

Who voted for Hillary? Go look at them (after you have finished your wine and spewed hatred for fellow Americans) and then understand why Hillary is still standing inspite of your rich elite media driven hatred filled campaign.

Obama campaign = Hope for rich and media elite
Clinton campaign = Hope for poor and hard working Americans


by Sandeep on Thu Feb 07, 2008 at 01:45:44 AM EST

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Sorry, but NAFTA didn't offer much of the poor any hope.


by Progressive America on Thu Feb 07, 2008 at 01:51:58 AM EST
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Re: Clinton raises $3 million in one day (none / 0)

And Obama has no record at all.


Restore America's Strength.
by RJEvans on Thu Feb 07, 2008 at 01:53:04 AM EST
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Re: Clinton raises $3 million in one day (none / 0)

On trade, I agree. That's one of the reasons Edwards has been my choice.

But on helping the poor and workers, I would put Obama ahead still of Hillary. He at least wants to raise the cap on Social Security, for example. I haven't seen Hillary proposing that.


by Progressive America on Thu Feb 07, 2008 at 01:58:51 AM EST
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That's a really good defense. ; ) (none / 0)


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by psericks on Thu Feb 07, 2008 at 02:03:42 AM EST
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Re: Clinton raises $3 million in one day (none / 0)

Sorry. Clinton's got the big money donors. Obama is raising it in small donations. People power.

The Clinton policies were terrible for the poor, the gays, immigrants, and labor.


by illlaw1 on Thu Feb 07, 2008 at 01:54:12 AM EST
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Re: Clinton raises $3 million in one day (none / 0)

You're the only one full of hate here, buddy.


by rfahey22 on Thu Feb 07, 2008 at 01:58:32 AM EST
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Re: Clinton raises $3 million in one day (none / 0)

Rich elites giving $2300 (or $4600) are a much more larger part of Clinton's fundraising base than Obama's, both proportionally and in absolute numbers. Conversely, Obama has many more small donors and more donors period.

http://politics.nytimes.com/election-gui de/2008/finances/index.html

I'm not saying that Clinton doesn't have grassroots support or that her fundraising isn't impressive, but you need to get your facts straight.


by Korha on Thu Feb 07, 2008 at 02:07:34 AM EST
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About that loan... (none / 0)

Whatever happened to:

"We are very frustrated because we have a Supreme Court that seems determined to say that the wealthier have more right to free speech than the rest of us. For example, they say you couldn't stop me from spending all the money I've saved over the last five years on Hillary's campaign if I wanted to, even though it would clearly violate the spirit of campaign finance reform," - Bill Clinton, December 24, 2007.


by dwightkschrute on Thu Feb 07, 2008 at 01:50:42 AM EST

Re: About that loan... (none / 0)

Bill says things, gets out of line, and then the campaign shuts him up and pretends it never happened.  It's surprising that he's actually turning into a liability.


by rfahey22 on Thu Feb 07, 2008 at 02:00:22 AM EST
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Re: Clinton raises $3 million in one day (none / 0)

See, now the Obama people is making this about money. Go figure.


Restore America's Strength.
by RJEvans on Thu Feb 07, 2008 at 01:52:21 AM EST

Re: Clinton raises $3 million in one day (none / 0)

It was said before Tuesday that Obama was on track to raise as much or more money in February than they did in January,  which means they were on at least a 1 million a day clip. If you add to that the 6+ they've pulled in today, they've raised at least 11 million in 6 days.  And that's not counting the money the raised on January 31st which was their biggest day in January and not included in January's total.


by Piuma on Thu Feb 07, 2008 at 01:53:32 AM EST

Re: Clinton raises $3 million in one day (none / 0)

Buying American votes with what? Small donations from other Americans?

Don't be ridiculous. If anything, I'd say funding your campaign with $5 million of your own money--as opposed to $5 million dollars of small donations from other Americans giving to your campaign because they believe in it--is called trying to buy votes.


by Korha on Thu Feb 07, 2008 at 02:11:05 AM EST
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Re: Clinton raises $3 million in one day (none / 0)

The email was correct at the time. But Obama has been raising money at an incredible speed tonight. It's been about a million every couple hours.


by Progressive America on Thu Feb 07, 2008 at 01:54:56 AM EST

Re: Clinton raises $3 million in one day (1.00 / 2)

does that count the 5 million she just loaned herself in that one day tally?

Did you know that Obama raised more the 4 million from ACTUAL VOTERS since the polls closed last night. Delude yourselves if you will.


by mageduley on Thu Feb 07, 2008 at 01:55:19 AM EST

Re: Clinton raises $3 million in one day (none / 0)

The Clinton campaign may not be able to match the big-dollar wine and latte donors for Obama, but the fact that a lot of blue-collar, lower middle class working people are donating to her what they can afford is the BIG story here.  

I would think some of you might think twice before mocking the efforts of those who have little to give to Clinton, but are giving it anyway, by comparing them to those contributing to the already bloated coffers of Obama.  With homeless vets sleeping under bridges and children going without health care, there's something disgusting about the glee being expressed over this money raising contest.


by miriam on Thu Feb 07, 2008 at 01:55:58 AM EST

Re: Clinton raises $3 million in one day (none / 0)

This is delusional. The truth of the matter is what we're seeing is that Hillary's maxed out her $2300 donors. To say that Obama's strength is coming on the backs of wealthy voters is in direct contradiction to the evidence right in front of you.


by JCarlFinn5 on Thu Feb 07, 2008 at 02:02:30 AM EST
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Re: Clinton raises $3 million in one day (none / 0)

Care to share your thoughts on HC's spending $41 million to beat a nobody by 40 points in her last Senate race?


by rfahey22 on Thu Feb 07, 2008 at 02:04:59 AM EST
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Re: Clinton raises $3 million in one day (none / 0)

Jerome, your update makes no sense.  Presumably the Obama campaign has received $3 million and change since the 6:25 PM email, and this was reflected in the graphic on the website.  This isn't rocket science - you must be acting deliberately obtuse.


by Pat Flatley on Thu Feb 07, 2008 at 01:56:12 AM EST

Re: Clinton raises $3 million in one day (none / 0)

you are a clinton tool


for lack of a better one, BUSH SUCKS
by Steven R on Thu Feb 07, 2008 at 01:57:23 AM