Teddy Kennedy Rally In East L.A.

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Flanked by some of Barack Obama's Southern California congressional endorsers including my own congressman Adam Schiff and Xavier Becerra, Teddy Kennedy stood on a small stage in front of a surprisingly modest crowd of a few hundred at a community college in East Los Angeles and spoke passionately on behalf of Barack Obama. Many people in the largely latino crowd held a blue "Latinos For Obama" sign in one hand and a red "Si Se Puede" sign in the other. It's no accident that the Obama campaign has sent Teddy Kennedy to campaign in New Mexico and California, they clearly see him as key to eating into the huge support Hillary Clinton enjoys among the hispanic community. Chuck Todd put his appeal among the community this way: "Many California latinos hang two pictures in their home, one of the Pope and one of JFK." That may be true but if the size of the crowd today was any indication, I'm not sure he's going to be all that helpful. It's also telling that Obama himself has left California to surrogates. According to Todd, the campaign thinks they're going to get maybe 45% here on Tuesday; maybe they can overperform but Obama's going to other states before February 5th is a sign that they're willing to sacrifice a possible win in California for wins in other states that day.

Kennedy's rallying cry on behalf of Obama centered around nothing terribly tangible but focused on what Kennedy called "the kind of spirit and kind of enthusiasm Obama brings to the campaign; a transformational attitude." As evidence for the need for that right now, Kennedy cited the gridlock we see in the senate right now, both on the stimulus package and the wiretapping legislation. Washington is "paralyzed" he said and Obama is the answer. "We need a leader who is going to be able to lead, break down the barriers and get things done." What Kennedy failed to make the case for, however, is why Obama is uniquely equipped to be that leader and Hillary Clinton is not. Nowhere in his speech was an acknowledgement of what's really keeping Washington deadlocked: the obstructionist minority and an unyielding president. Of course this idea that in 2009, with the congressional majorities the Democratic president will enjoy, president Obama would by definition get more done than president Clinton is central to Obama's "I'm a uniter she's a divider" message but I'm still waiting for a case to be made for that that isn't faith-based. Kennedy didn't provide it today. He certainly spoke about this belief he has passionately and for those that trust Kennedy implicitly, that may be enough.

Kennedy also spoke briefly about immigration and how he as the grandson of immigrants and Obama as the son of one, have a kinship with immigrants in this country. He said Obama understands the key values of immigrants: hard work, family unity, faith and the desire to give back to their country. Here is where I think Kennedy really tapped into something. The call to action that is central to Obama's campaign ("change in America never came from the top down, it came from the bottom up...") is in stark contrast to Hillary Clinton's model of the president as hard worker in chief and the extent to which Kennedy can appeal to the desire of immigrants to give back to America and draw a parrallel between that ethic and Obama's call to action for people to have a stake in their country could be very effective.



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East L.A. (none / 0)

"turns the page" on Teddy Kennedy.

Adelante con Clinton


Offend the Media - Vote for Hillary!
by Seymour Glass on Fri Feb 01, 2008 at 04:11:38 PM EST

Re: East L.A. (none / 0)

jeeeez Teddy - aren't we ALL immigrants??

Funny that almost every Obama endorsement - whether it's from a rep, a newspaper, an org - never cite his specific positions - but laud his Pied Piper appeal.
Obama is a gold mine for THEM!


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by annefrank on Fri Feb 01, 2008 at 05:22:46 PM EST
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Re: East L.A. (none / 0)

His positions seem to be just about the same as HRC so perhaps that's why...


by illlaw1 on Fri Feb 01, 2008 at 05:43:22 PM EST
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Todd's picture fiction again. (2.00 / 1)

I wonder how many Latino homes Todd's been into. Not many I'd guess so I'm not sure where he gets this unique piece of market research from. I have been in perhaps 15 CA Latino homes over the past ten years. I have never, repeat never, seen a picture of JFK in one of them although I have seen several pictures of John Paul II. I'd be very interested to hear more of these myriad sightings of JFK portraits hispanic homes in CA. It's an urban myth invented by Mr Todd to spice up his commentary for god sake,    


by ottovbvs on Fri Feb 01, 2008 at 04:12:03 PM EST

Totally Agree (2.00 / 1)

I suspect that all that the talking heads are doing is extrapolating from what used to be said about Kennedy in Catholic immigrant homes back east, e.g. Irish, Italians, etc.

I've been out here six years and I have yet to see any evidence of some sort of bond between hispanics and the Kennedy family.  It seems to me if hispanics have anyone's picture on their wall, which I find a stereotype to begin with, it's likely to be either a religious figure or Cesar Chavez.  Sunset Blvd. does not become John F. Kennedy Avenue as it hits East LA.  It becomes Cesar Chavez.

Has there ever been an election where so much of the media seems so out of touch with voters?

Obama's real problem with hispanics is that all of this comes much too late.  Clinton got important latinos like Villaraigosa to endorse her early and that solidified her as the choice of a lot of hispanic voters.  Obama now has to move them off of that choice.  It's similar, in my mind, to his late union endorsement in Nevada.  And it's probably worth noting that a lot of people organizing Clinton's push in Los Angeles and California helped organize hispanic voters for the Nevada caucuses.


by BDB on Fri Feb 01, 2008 at 04:20:24 PM EST
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Wherever that remark came from (none / 0)

about pictures on walls, more to the point is whether the substance is true: do Latinos really have an affinity for the Kennedys?

If they do I'm pretty sure it would be the older generation, who remembers RFK having walked with Chavez.

More likely to be RFK in any pictures, too. Todd was totally spitballing.


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by bruorton on Fri Feb 01, 2008 at 04:26:21 PM EST
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Re: Wherever that remark came from (none / 0)

I've never seen RFK either, it's total bs invented by Todd to add a Romantic gloss to his cmomentary.


by ottovbvs on Fri Feb 01, 2008 at 04:44:52 PM EST
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If Californians have any Kennedy Preference (none / 0)

It's probably for Robert Kennedy, Jr., due to his environmental work.  That's the Kennedy name I've seen most out here.

I'm sure there are liberals in California who think highly of the Kennedy family.  Some are probably hispanic.  And, obviously, Los Angeles was where Robert Kennedy was murdered.  But other than that, I'm unaware of some California-Kennedy bond.  

Which is to say, I'm not at all surprised that Kennedy got a small turnout in the middle of the afternoon on a weekday.


by BDB on Fri Feb 01, 2008 at 04:57:58 PM EST
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Good Point (none / 0)

about Robert Kennedy and Chavez.  But his children are supporting Clinton and, to the extent Chavez matters, Dolores Huerta is as close as you can get to him.


by BDB on Fri Feb 01, 2008 at 04:59:38 PM EST
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Re: Totally Agree (none / 0)

speaking as an angeleno/latino, i really find the JFK/RFK pic on the wall thing infuriating. just pure ignorance. and posits some sort of romantic view of grateful brown people.

mind you i don't hold it against obama in the least...it's been ignorant mnions in the press who have pursued this meme.


by CalDem on Fri Feb 01, 2008 at 04:34:25 PM EST
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Re: Totally Agree (none / 0)

It's more offensive pandering from the East Coast latte liberal crowd...the kind of pandering by dinosaurs like Ted Kennedy that encapsulates everything wrong and out of touch with the Democratic Party.


by hwc on Fri Feb 01, 2008 at 04:41:14 PM EST
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"limosine liberalism" (none / 0)

makes me wanna puke

and then get in a bar fight.


Offend the Media - Vote for Hillary!
by Seymour Glass on Fri Feb 01, 2008 at 04:45:36 PM EST
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Totally Agree (none / 0)

I suspect that all that the talking heads are doing is extrapolating from what used to be said about Kennedy in Catholic immigrant homes back east, e.g. Irish, Italians, etc.

I've been out here six years and I have yet to see any evidence of some sort of bond between hispanics and the Kennedy family.  It seems to me if hispanics have anyone's picture on their wall, which I find a stereotype to begin with, it's likely to be either a religious figure or Cesar Chavez.  Sunset Blvd. does not become John F. Kennedy Avenue as it hits East LA.  It becomes Cesar Chavez.

Has there ever been an election where so much of the media seems so out of touch with voters?

Obama's real problem with hispanics is that all of this comes much too late.  Clinton got important latinos like Villaraigosa to endorse her early and that solidified her as the choice of a lot of hispanic voters.  Obama now has to move them off of that choice.  It's similar, in my mind, to his late union endorsement in Nevada.  And it's probably worth noting that a lot of people organizing Clinton's push in Los Angeles and California helped organize hispanic voters for the Nevada caucuses.


by BDB on Fri Feb 01, 2008 at 04:20:32 PM EST
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Oops. Double post, sorry (none / 0)


by BDB on Fri Feb 01, 2008 at 04:20:51 PM EST
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its total bs (none / 0)


Offend the Media - Vote for Hillary!
by Seymour Glass on Fri Feb 01, 2008 at 04:31:37 PM EST
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Re: Todd's picture fiction again. (none / 0)

I used to be a Spanish bilingual high school teacher in California, and also an organizer there for the United Farm Workers union.  I lived in a heavily Latino neighborhood in San Francisco's Mission District.  I've been in the homes of scores of Latinos, and I never once saw a picture of JFK on the wall.

Latinos in California care a lot about what Dolores Huerta, Antonio Villaraigosa, Fabio Nuñez, and Loretta Sanchez say.  Ted Kennedy?  Not so much.


by markjay on Fri Feb 01, 2008 at 04:42:17 PM EST
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Dolores Huerta.... (none / 0)

now there is a hero.


Offend the Media - Vote for Hillary!
by Seymour Glass on Fri Feb 01, 2008 at 04:47:28 PM EST
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Re: Todd's picture fiction again. (none / 0)

How about Eddie Sotelo?


by illlaw1 on Fri Feb 01, 2008 at 04:55:41 PM EST
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Re: Teddy Kennedy Rally In East L.A. (none / 0)

You have to love Ted Kennedy, for whatever good he is able to do in LA. Obama's pro-Immigrant stance can only help him in the southwest. And Hillary's rant against driver's licenses for illegal immigrants sort of undermined the rest of her solution. It seemed more punitive. How are these immigrants, who have been in the US years and years to get their children to school. How will they get to work?


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by shergald on Fri Feb 01, 2008 at 04:26:39 PM EST

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drive....duh.


Offend the Media - Vote for Hillary!
by Seymour Glass on Fri Feb 01, 2008 at 04:32:43 PM EST
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Re: Teddy Kennedy Rally In East L.A. (none / 0)

How typical! Latinos are those who can not get driving license because they are ilegal! Just give them driving license then they will follow you everywhere.

Have you ever heard that California was actually a part of Mexico and the majority of Latinos in California are US citizens? We care our undocumented brothers/sisters but also we do care health/education/economy/war...etc. like everybody else. I personally find it quite offensive that Obama identifies "driving license" as THE solution for Latino votes.


by praxis1 on Fri Feb 01, 2008 at 04:42:27 PM EST
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Re: Teddy Kennedy Rally In East L.A. (none / 0)

Obama does nothing of the sort. Both HRC and BHO are for comprehensive immigration reform in some fashion.


by illlaw1 on Fri Feb 01, 2008 at 04:54:43 PM EST
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Re: Teddy Kennedy Rally In East L.A. (none / 0)

Well... Comprehensive immigration reform is one thing and giving driving license is another. Helping undocumented workers is important but thinking that helping undocumented workers is THE solution for Latino votes is very problematic.


by praxis1 on Fri Feb 01, 2008 at 05:06:28 PM EST
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Re: Teddy Kennedy Rally In East L.A. (none / 0)

Who said helping undocumented workers is the solution for Latino votes?

As far as driver's licenses go it's a public safety issue at a state level not a federal immigration issue. However, since the candidates addressed the issue as it was presented to them it's silly to think that people won't drive because they don't have a driver's license. What they won't do is get auto insurance or learn all the rules of our roads.


by illlaw1 on Fri Feb 01, 2008 at 05:12:25 PM EST
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Re: Teddy Kennedy Rally In East L.A. (none / 0)

I agree with Hillary that dealing with hot-button wedge issues like driver's licenses in a piecemeal fashion is a great way to make sure that we never get to grapple with the larger issue of comprehensive immigration reform.  If we pass the latter and give people a path to citizenship then issues like driver's licenses become moot.

I understand that Obama has an election to win and that it may (or may not) be productive for him to play up this difference in their positions, but he's becoming part of the problem.  The idea should be to get divisive issues like driver's licenses out of the headlines so we can lower the temperature and fix the overall problem.


"Another problem we have...is that in election years we behave somewhat as primitive peoples do at the time of the full moon." --Harry Truman
by Steve M on Fri Feb 01, 2008 at 05:22:10 PM EST
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Re: Teddy Kennedy Rally In East L.A. (none / 0)

Well it's a bit misleading since it's a state issue. The President can have an opinion but that's about it..

I'm not sure why DL are a divisive issue. Did it bother people back in 2002? It's a manufactured issue.


by illlaw1 on Fri Feb 01, 2008 at 05:27:36 PM EST
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Re: Teddy Kennedy Rally In East L.A. (none / 0)

Shergald no doubt you have seen hundreds of pictures of JFK in hispanic homes. It would figure.  


by ottovbvs on Fri Feb 01, 2008 at 04:46:54 PM EST
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Re: Teddy Kennedy Rally In East L.A. (none / 0)

What pro-immigration Obama stance? Are you kidding? Please.

There are maillions of the children or grand children of immigrants in this country but Obama and Teddy are special?!? Hardly.


by americanincanada on Fri Feb 01, 2008 at 04:50:57 PM EST
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Re: Teddy Kennedy Rally In East L.A. (none / 0)

shergald, you mean pro "illegal" immigration stance.

I'm so proud of Hillary for standing her ground on this teeny tiny thing illegals are expected to do for the privelage of becoming American citizens: learn English, and no drivers license without the proper paer work. Heck I had to get a copy of my original birth certificate and proof of permanenet address before taking the driver's test here in Virginia.


by India on Fri Feb 01, 2008 at 10:20:33 PM EST
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Re: Teddy Kennedy Rally In East L.A. (none / 0)

Didn't I hear Obama just the other day making the point that he's not really the son of an immigrant?  Or am I imagining things?


"Another problem we have...is that in election years we behave somewhat as primitive peoples do at the time of the full moon." --Harry Truman
by Steve M on Fri Feb 01, 2008 at 04:35:59 PM EST

Obama not the son of an immigrant (none / 0)

Obama is not the son of an immigrant. An ad. for him in California made this claim, but I'm not sure if Obama has disavowed it or not. Obama's father was the priveleged son of a large landowner who came to the US to go elite schools and Harvard University. He was not an immigrant. Obama's father went back to Kenya after the British left. As far as I can tell, he never had any intention of making the US his permanent home. In any event, Obama did not grow up in an immigrant family, immigrant neighborhood, or immigrant culture. Ted Kennedy's claim is thus completely bogus, even if interpretted in a less than literal fashion.


by freemansfarm on Fri Feb 01, 2008 at 06:21:52 PM EST
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Re: Obama not the son of an immigrant (none / 0)

For that matter, I'm not sure Ted Kennedy is the grandson of immigrants either, as if it matters.  It's pretty ridiculous for the scion of the closest thing we have to an American royal family to claim that he has some sort of solidarity with immigrants based on his background.


"Another problem we have...is that in election years we behave somewhat as primitive peoples do at the time of the full moon." --Harry Truman
by Steve M on Fri Feb 01, 2008 at 07:08:41 PM EST
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Ted Kennedy not the grandson of immigrants (none / 0)

You're quite right. I just checked Wiki and all 4 of Teddy's grandparents were born in Massachusetts. I also agree with you that, even if Kennedy's claim was true, any solidarity he might have with today's immigrants is spurious.

But, while I sympathize with your drift that being the son or grandson of an immigrant shouldn't matter, I think it is revealing that Obama's status in this regard, as in so many things, is glossed over, presented in the light most expedient for his campaign, and never really challenged by the press or anyone else. For example, it is often said that Obama is a "constitutional law professor," but he isn't.

Obama is allowed to be all things to all people. Nothing he says or that is said about him (if its favorable) is scrutinized.


by freemansfarm on Fri Feb 01, 2008 at 08:13:19 PM EST
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The whole Kennedy delirium was media bs. (none / 0)

The illusion that this guy had some special contact with hispanics is laugable. Where did he meet them, in Nantucket. The poor turnout at this meeting demonstrates this guy is not a rockstar but a fat old white man from the eastern establishment. As to the magic he was supposed to create in MA that was an illusion too. Most democratic women of my acquaintance regard him as a drunken womanizing slob. All it did was cement Obama's existing support amongst ultra liberal whites and principally ultra liberal white males.    


by ottovbvs on Fri Feb 01, 2008 at 04:51:39 PM EST

Re: The whole Kennedy delirium was media bs. (none / 0)

Correction:

Fat old drunk white man.


by hwc on Fri Feb 01, 2008 at 05:04:25 PM EST
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Re: The whole Kennedy delirium was media bs. (none / 0)

To be fair he's a bit of a reformed character in the drink department and the womanizing but I'm sure Mrs who is very attractive keeps him on a short leash.    


by ottovbvs on Fri Feb 01, 2008 at 05:42:17 PM EST
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Re: Teddy Kennedy Rally In East L.A. (none / 0)

He should have talked about the terrible IIRIRA bill passed by BJC and HRC's desire to remove due process from the removal (deportation) process for immigrants convicted of a crime.


by illlaw1 on Fri Feb 01, 2008 at 04:52:52 PM EST

My family is hardcore Southern Baptists... (none / 0)

...extended has maybe 3 catholics out of maybe 100 people?

Most of them are Dems though a few ARE fundies.


by MNPundit on Fri Feb 01, 2008 at 05:00:45 PM EST

Re: Todd, Knock off the Crap about the JFK Photos (none / 0)

Latinos do not have photos of JFK in their house.

This is stupid stereotyping.

There is next to no affinity between the Kennedys and California Latinos if for no other reason than geographical distance.

The fact that hardly anyone showed up at the Kennedy-Obama rally should be driving all these points home to you.......Like Duhhhhh.


I like the silence of a church, before the service begins better than any preaching. ~Ralph Waldo Emerson
by Norwegian Chef on Fri Feb 01, 2008 at 05:03:59 PM EST

Oprah and Michelle will be campaining (none / 0)

in LA this weekend, so Obama will be fine.


by rapcetera on Fri Feb 01, 2008 at 05:11:34 PM EST

And LA TIMES just endorsed Obama (none / 0)

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/washingt on/

...so the Surge in Cali continues


by rapcetera on Fri Feb 01, 2008 at 05:17:27 PM EST
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Re: And LA TIMES just endorsed Obama (none / 0)

Nice get for Obama.

I still don't think he's going to win California, but it will probably be closer than expected.


by BDB on Fri Feb 01, 2008 at 05:24:53 PM EST
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Re: Oprah and Michelle will be campaining (none / 0)

East LA? South Central? Or shopping on Rodeo Drive?


by hwc on Fri Feb 01, 2008 at 05:17:43 PM EST
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Re: Oprah and Michelle will be campaining (none / 0)

Right, cause Oprah said so.

Do you have a link for this, please?

Just the other day they reported that Oprah was hedging because she doesn't want anymore negative backlash. I am curious what changed her mind.

CA is NOT SC.


by americanincanada on Fri Feb 01, 2008 at 05:56:34 PM EST
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Re: Teddy Kennedy Rally In East L.A. (none / 0)

Adam Schiff is my congressman too, unfortunately. I believe he co-authored The Patriot Act, didn't he? He's another one of these wishy-washy moderate Dems that I can't stand. I emailed him about how disappointed I am that he's endorsing BO, but it doesn't surprise me at all.

As for Ted Kennedy, no I don't "gotta love him."


by cc on Fri Feb 01, 2008 at 05:19:45 PM EST

Re: Teddy Kennedy Rally In East L.A. (none / 0)

Curious. Are you for or against the PA? You seem to be against it but so it sounds like you're more on the liberal side but then you don't like Kennedy so it sounds like you're not so it's a bit confusing.


by illlaw1 on Fri Feb 01, 2008 at 05:29:23 PM EST
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I'm not at all surprised that so few people showed up to hear Ted Kennedy. Why would anyone expect him to be any kind of a draw at all?

Generally, only the candidates themselves get any kind of a crowd. There are a few exceptions--usually when the speaker in question is Oprah or a former president.


by OrangeFur on Fri Feb 01, 2008 at 06:13:01 PM EST


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