Iraq Is Ours, My Friends

One thing I've tried to do is highlight the fact that Iraq is not a sharp break with history caused by a malevolent actor, but a part of a strong American tradition that progressives did not notice until it was too late.  I mean, do you really think that a stupid insecure manchild like Bush could become President without large forces putting him into office?  In Ending the National Security State, I drew links between the sharp right turn of unions, the swings of the racist South in the post-WWII environment, and the Communist purges.  This set of forces, which put us on the path of a top-down imperial Presidency, first liberal, then conservative, and then crazy, is what the war in Iraq and the covert actions in Iran really represent.  The 2006 election was historic, possibly the first antiwar electoral platform that worked during a war, but it was only one election.  We are fighting 60 years of history, and 30 other election cycles, including 2002 and 2004.  You can't stop a train that easily.

We're in Iraq because the political system, the public, and all of us became unable to distinguish between truth and falsehood.  We're still in Iraq, and will be there until the public is genuinely convinced to leave.  Right now, we're not there.  I know what the polls say, but I also am watching Clinton, Edwards, Obama, Giuliani, Romney, etc running for President, and not one of them is calling for a full withdrawal.  Not one.  Clinton, the leading nominee in a supposedly antiwar party, is a hawk and doesn't even think that voting to authorize the war was a mistake.  So do not tell me that Pelosi, Reid, and Moveon are doing a bad job.  They are not.  They are persuading a country and a politics that is used to lazy bullshit that kills a lot of people to think twice about it, and resist.

This will not end, either, for quite some time.  And it's not because of George W. Bush.  It's because of people like Robert Schanzer, who is apparently some sort of expert on national security.  Schanzer, who I'm picking because he worked for Biden and sort of sits in the middle of Democratic foreign policy networks, has the following to say.

2008 is not 2006.  There is a big difference in the public's mind about putting a new party in control of the Congress and electing the commander-in-chief.  The 2006 election was a protest vote against Bush's war policies and a response to congressional corruption and lack of oversight of an incompetent executive branch.  The hurdle that John Kerry could not surmount in the public's mind will still be there for the next Democratic candidate for President -- "Will he or she do what it takes to keep us safe?"  The Iraq war has lowered this bar somewhat for Democrats, but it still remains higher for Democrats than Republicans at least until Democrats win a post-9/11 election.  

With the Iraq albatross around their neck, Republicans will be even more eager to play the "weak on national security" card against Democrats.  This was on clear display last week as Rudy Giuliani took great glee (and got rave reviews in conservative circles), for taunting Democrats for "not understand[ing] the full nature and scope of the terrorist war against us" and claiming "America will be safer with a Republican president."

Unfortunately, the Democratic frontrunners did little to dispel this notion during the first presidential candidates' debate.  Obama chose to talk about the Hurricane Katrina response when asked the first thing he would do after a terrorist attack on U.S. soil   And, when Brian Williams served up the Giuliani quotes on a silver platter to Clinton, she did not discuss how to defeat al Qaeda or combat the spread of the global jihadist movement, but instead expounded on the virtues of greater port and subway security.

This isn't going to cut it in a general election.   Because of the still lingering security gap Democrats face, progressives cannot wait until the general election to start speaking convincingly about the threats the nation faces and how to deal with them.  Promising to end the Iraq war (as if that could actually be accomplished), will not necessarily be enough to defeat a Republican opponent who is not Bush and will most certainly have his own plan to wind down the war.  

This is more of the same.  Fear.  Fear.  Fear.  Boo!  Are you scared yet?  This is what we're up against.  It's infiltrated both parties, but it can be beaten.  It has also, and this is where I differ from the Naderites, infected me and my community.  I'm willing to acknowledge this.  We cannot honestly have a debate about Iraq without discussing our lack of activism in the 1990s, when the case for war was built, or the corporate consolidation of our media accelerated.  We cannot realistically complain that our leaders are afraid when we are afraid and refuse to organize against Democrats in primaries.  We cannot use words like 'circular firing squad' or discuss criticism as problematic if we are to genuinely oppose the National Security State.

This is a powerful and nasty group of actors, and much of the public, while open to a different direction, is not being honest with itself in terms of what that means.  Seriously slashing our consumer lifestyle will be a glorious and healthy move, but it will be costly.  We are in thrall to war, just as we have been slaves to slavery.  That did not end simply, or easily, and neither will this.  But it will end, because it cannot go on.

Our greatest President knew this in 1862, when it looked bleak.  And so I'll quote him now.

Is it doubted, then, that the plan I propose, if adopted, would shorten the war, and thus lessen its expenditure of money and of blood? Is it doubted that it would restore the national authority and national prosperity, and perpetuate both indefinitely? Is it doubted that we here--Congress and Executive--can secure its adoption? Will not the good people respond to a united, and earnest appeal from us? Can we, can they, by any other means, so certainly, or so speedily, assure these vital objects? We can succeed only by concert. It is not "can any of us imagine better?" but, "can we all do better?" The dogmas of the quiet past, are inadequate to the stormy present. The occasion is piled high with difficulty, and we must rise -- with the occasion. As our case is new, so we must think anew, and act anew. We must disenthrall ourselves, and then we shall save our country.

Fellow-citizens, we cannot escape history. We of this Congress and this administration, will be remembered in spite of ourselves. No personal significance, or insignificance, can spare one or another of us. The fiery trial through which we pass, will light us down, in honor or dishonor, to the latest generation. We say we are for the Union. The world will not forget that we say this. We know how to save the Union. The world knows we do know how to save it. We -- even we here -- hold the power, and bear the responsibility. In giving freedom to the slave, we assure freedom to the free -- honorable alike in what we give, and what we preserve. We shall nobly save, or meanly lose, the last best hope of earth. Other means may succeed; this could not fail. The way is plain, peaceful, generous, just -- a way which, if followed, the world will forever applaud, and God must forever bless.



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Re: Iraq Is Ours, My Friends (none / 0)

I concur.


by Pericles on Wed May 23, 2007 at 11:16:46 AM EST

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Matt, a well reasoned summation of the why we are still in Iraq.

This statement sums it up very well:

I mean, do you really think that a stupid insecure manchild like Bush could become President without large forces putting him into office?

Of course not. It became clear when he tried to appoint Harriet Meir to the Supreme Court, and was slapped down and he was reminded who was the boss.

The US involvement in Iraq is history repeating itself. The British were exactly in the same position the Americans are in the 1940s.

The irony was that the Iraq debacle marked the beginning of an end of the British Empire and led to the creation of Israel 1948, following many terrorist acts by Begin and other Zionists in Palestine.

I will predict that Iraq will make demise of the Supremacy of the United States Military and its preeminence. Iraq has become one of those unintended consequences of the Project of the New American Century. What an irony...............

Reid, Pelosi, Moveon and Mydd and others have a done a great job but it is bigger than all of us put together.


by mdiogu on Wed May 23, 2007 at 11:20:36 AM EST

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I will predict that Iraq will mark the demise of the Supremacy of the United States Military and its preeminence. Iraq has become one of those unintended consequences of the Project of the New American Century. What an irony...............


by mdiogu on Wed May 23, 2007 at 11:34:28 AM EST
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Third Greatest President, Matt.  Third Greatest...  Roosevelt, Washington THEN Lincoln.


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by yitbos96bb on Wed May 23, 2007 at 11:21:15 AM EST

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Well said Matt.  Fear is the greatest barrier to a functioning democracy, and this adminstration has used and abused it deftly.


by ramfar on Wed May 23, 2007 at 11:30:44 AM EST

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Exactly. Taking back the country is a long haul venture with no easy fixes. Aligned against us are the MSM & cable,  the monied interests, the courts. Most Americans have, to a good extent, bought the propaganda of the past 25+ years.

One quibble: you refer to the advent of the imperial presidency. Leaving W aside (we have a crazy guy in the office who doesn't accept the Constitution as a boundary on his prerogatives & the Republican Party has become a cabal designed to do the bidding of the corporations & the fundamentalists), the growth of the presidency has resulted from the extreme fragmentation of our political system.

It is largely a response to a system that lacks any cohesion & is therefore dysfunctional. The chief result is that none of our societal problems get addressed in a fundamental way (the exception being the Johnson presidency). The other western democracies have cohesion through their cohesive party systems where party reps rarely depart from the party position. The Republican Party is approaching this point.

The Democratic Party is so fragmented that it is thus incapable of accomplishing anything meaningful, ex. denying funding for the Iraq war. In this void, I welcome a strong presidency. It is necessary to balance the extreme fragmentation of Congress & the myriad of checks & balances that effectively keep a societal agenda from being addressed.


by carter1 on Wed May 23, 2007 at 11:45:10 AM EST

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Let me repeat what I have stated for years-on-end, and this comes from my perspective here in the Sonoran Desert.  And I could even include the Rez.

The Republicans will continue to play their constant card of "Democrats are weak on defense" for the simplified reason, that to attack the Republicans, the Democrats MUST remove the onus for having eliminated the Military Draft.  And until such time, the Democrats will be fighting their incoherent history, and for a life-long Democrat like myself, I am incensed at the short-sighted view and thinking of my fellow Democrats and our national leadership for not having the good grace for recognizing the obvious.

When a few Democrats took to insulting the Republicans as "chickenhawks", I found the insult pleasing, but still short-sighted.  However, to move the Republicans back on their heels as per politics being a "contact sport", challenging the Republicans while selling the mantra of "everyone has skin in the game" that a military draft would accomplish, Bush would fold immediately, and begin having to defend his use of the National Guard in the manner that he has.  Of course, the Achilles Heel for the Republicans is the military draft, and the Democrats are too damn fearful of using politics as a "contact sport" to achieve success.  Thus, "Telling the Truth and Shaming the Devil" cannot commence until the Democrats, recognize a better and far more rewarding reality.

Jaango


by Jaango on Wed May 23, 2007 at 11:58:51 AM EST

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I just completely disagree with you concerning the top-down imperial Presidency beginning with a liberal. It is clear from your many posts that you don't like the Clintons. But claiming that Bill ran an imperial Presidency is just foolish. Yes, at one time he did face off with a Gingrich controlled House and forced a shutdown of the federal government. But this wasn't because he thought he was an Emperor or a King, it was because he was a true patriot that would not allow the government to be bullied by a bomb throwing pipsqueak with a big head. Clinton did a few things that directly affected me in an adverse way but all in all he was a good President.

I have no idea what you mean about a lack of activism in the 1990s. I recall an entirely different era. But I think you can be forgiven for your lack of activism during your teens.

Now to this comment:

"We cannot realistically complain that our leaders are afraid when we are afraid and refuse to organize against Democrats in primaries."

Again, I am not sure where you are coming from. If you are among the crowd that would like a repeat of the 2000 election by supporting a 3rd party that has absolutely NO viable chance of winning then sir I will tell you plainly that you are working against the very ideals you so passionately embrace.


by JustaDem on Wed May 23, 2007 at 12:00:53 PM EST

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I assumed Matt was referring to FDR as the liberal who ushered in the age of the imperial presidency. I agree that Clinton was a good president in context of the modern presidency, although he also presided over the full collapse of our civic discourse, which was and is a national tragedy.


by arbitropia on Wed May 23, 2007 at 01:39:04 PM EST
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Yup, FDR.


by Matt Stoller on Wed May 23, 2007 at 04:17:23 PM EST
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I don't think Schanzer is entirely wrong here (none / 0)

He's not talking about reality here--he's talking about perception.  And not perception of the engaged activists who are political minded year-round, but the hoi polloi in Peoria who only vote every 4 years.

The American middle will NEVER fully believe that a Democratic president can protect them until we actually have one that does it.  Years of security impotence under Johnson and Carter, combined with the Republican propaganda apparatus and their determination to own this issue at all costs, have convinced a large sector of the American public that we can't be trusted.  Even Clinton's competence on security issues was undermined by the PR of the Repugs.  

If WE are perceived as "losing Iraq", we risk losing again in 2008.  At this stage there is a Machiavellian advantage to letting the Repugs have enough rope to hang themselves, so they don't have the (im)plausibility deniability of saying we did it instead.  The Dems are being cautious here because we know that the 2008 election is ours to lose--and we want to make damn sure we don't in fact lose it.  

   


by paul minot on Wed May 23, 2007 at 12:04:57 PM EST

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The so-called "national security" state is a cover for imperial power. What we need is a progressive version of Pat Buchanaan. We learn to do a good job at protecting and running our own nation-state and run a foreign policy based on multi-lateralism and the collective security arrangements arising from that. That is what the U.N. is based on. The U.N. charter is based on respect for national boundaries and authentic collective security. Until we have that, imperial wars will not stop. The progressive campaign slogan should be "Take care of America!" Close the bases around the world and maintain a strong military needed to protect our own shores. Bring the money home and build the medical, industrial, and educational infrastructure to take care of our own people. Period. That's a progressive program that will sell.


by cmpnwtr on Wed May 23, 2007 at 12:36:16 PM EST

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There is an alternative to caving, and it's still possible. That is to include one final benchmark in this bill: an Iraqi referendum on the continued occupation of their country. With 71 percent of Iraqis wanting U.S. troops out in a year or less, this would be sure to pass. Adding this benchmark would be the functional equivalent of a withdrawal timeline. It would likely lead to the withdrawal of all U.S. troops by the end of 2008, if not earlier. I have written an extensive four-part diary exploring all facets of this idea which I've posted by MyDD, under the name "A New Way Out of Iraq."

In brief, my proposal is for the Congress to add the following section to pending legislation: The Iraqi government is strongly urged to hold a referendum within four months after this legislation is signed on whether and for how long the occupation of Iraq should continue.  The U.S. government would be required to support and facilitate the holding of such an election, and if the Iraqi government asks us to leave, to do so, according to their timetable and their requirements.

The basic concept behind the referendum was supported by 67 percent of Republicans in a little-noticed November 2006 poll by the Program on International Policy Attitudes (PIPA).
The poll asked "if the majority of the Iraqi people say they want the United States to commit to withdraw U.S. forces according to a timeline of no more than a year, do you think the U.S. should or should not do so?" 67 percent of Republicans said the United States should do so (close to the overall support of 73 percent). That's a shift from two-thirds support for the president's position to two-thirds support for a one-year withdrawal from Iraq!

And because it does not tie the president's or the military's hands in conducting the war, it would be hard for the president to veto, to reject legislation that encourages Iraqis to exercise their democratic rights when the Bush administration has supported democratizing the Middle East and justified the U.S. presence in Iraq on that basis. Even if such legislation is vetoed and the veto upheld, however, its passage by Congress might well encourage the Iraqis to hold such a vote on their own initiative. After all, last week, the majority of the Iraqi parliament, 144 out of 275 members, signed a petition calling for a withdrawal timeline.

I urge you to bump these diaries onto your front page so we can have a chance to add what amounts to a withdrawal deadline to this awful compromise bill. And please forwward this idea to members of Congress.  


by Johnojai on Wed May 23, 2007 at 01:13:12 PM EST

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Robert Schanzer says:
"There is a big difference in the public's mind about putting a new party in control of the Congress and electing the commander-in-chief."

His very use of "commander-in-chief" gives the whole game away. Referring to the POTUS as "commander-in-chief" has become so common that we fail to notice the subliminal propaganda inherent in this usage.  

Commander in chief (of the armies and navies of the United States, not of the nation as Republicans love to imply) is just ONE of the President's functions.  It is his MOST important function ONLY if "the American way of life" is based on military supremacy in the world.  

-- TP


by Rethymniotis on Wed May 23, 2007 at 01:50:35 PM EST

NOT ALL PROGRESSIVES ARE AN ANTI-WAR ! (none / 0)

...not one of them is calling for a full withdrawal.  Not one.  Clinton, the leading nominee in a supposedly antiwar party...

Who said that the Democrats are an anti-war party?  For that matter, who said that all progressives favor cutting funds or immediate withdrawal?

I, for one, am a progressive Dem who is neither anti-war, nor am I for cutting funds or immediate withdrawl.

There are many progressives who are realists when it comes to security and defense.


by ChicagoDude on Wed May 23, 2007 at 04:16:28 PM EST

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Beautiful post, Matt.  

The thing the bad guys have on their side here is that bad things happen.  We'll be attacked again here or somewhere and the country will go crazy.  That's all it takes.  Even the threat of attack - a foiled plan - is enough to get people talking about nukin' 'em and turning countries into parking lots.  Asking people to have the sort of courage and compassion it would take to respond to an attack with something other than war (even a war that's being waged against the wrong people) is asking a lot.  It's all the bad guys need.


by eRobin on Wed May 23, 2007 at 04:34:26 PM EST

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Well done.  The American people have to end the occupation of Iraq.  The politicians cannot do it.


by Stuart Shaffer on Wed May 23, 2007 at 06:00:56 PM EST

Can beat it? (none / 0)

"It's infiltrated both parties, but it can be beaten."

How, historically, when it has truly permeated a culture, has it been beaten without one side being smashed flat militarily, either by an uprising or by a foreign power?


by MNPundit on Wed May 23, 2007 at 07:17:03 PM EST


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