Smearing Harry Reid

Checking the latest headlines at Yahoo! News a few minutes ago, I was shocked to read that "Reid Aided Abramoff Clients, Records Show." Immediately, I clicked on it to get the story. My first impression was that, unless I wanted to be a complete and total hypocrite, I'd better post a criticism of Harry Reid, and fast. After all, if the leader of the Senate Democrats was indeed caught red-handed doing Jack Abramoff's bidding, we'd need to immediately marginalize him so as to not lose the upper hand in a debate about lobbying, ethics, and bribery. But as I started to read the article, I smelled a smear.

The first clue was that Senator Reid has a long history of protecting gambling in Nevada from outside competition. He does, after all, represent Las Vegas. So the fact that he sought to keep Indian casinos from expanding off of their reservations, while I may not necessarily agree, makes sense. He didn't need lobbyists telling him what to do on the issue, as he'd held that position long before they'd ever come knocking. But still... the article's a long one. I wasn't quite ready to dismiss it.

The story totally lost credibility for me when it got to mentioning the Marianas Islands. By now, you're probably aware of the fact that one of Abramoff's pet projects was maintaining a low minimum wage in U.S. territories not subject to the federal minimum wage. This was of interest to the Republicans because manufacturers could exploit the territories' low wages to essentially create a sweatshop environment without completely having to leave America. This AP story tries to imply that Reid was complicit in this plot.

But Abramoff's records show his lobbying partners billed for nearly two dozen phone contacts or meetings with Reid's office in 2001 alone.

Most were to discuss Democratic legislation that would have applied the U.S. minimum wage to the Northern Mariana Islands, a U.S. territory and Abramoff client, but would have given the islands a temporary break on the wage rate, the billing records show. ...

The Marianas, U.S. territorial islands in the Pacific Ocean, were one of Abramoff's highest-paying clients and were trying to keep their textile industry exempt from most U.S. laws on immigration, labor and pay, including the minimum wage. Many Democrats have long accused the islands of running garment sweatshops.

The islands in 2001 had their own minimum wage of $3.05 an hour, and were exempt from the U.S. minimum of $5.15.

Republicans were intent on protecting the Marianas' exemption. Democrats, led by Sen. Edward Kennedy of Massachusetts and Rep. George Miller of California, wanted the Marianas to be covered by the U.S. minimum and crafted a compromise.

In February 2001, Kennedy introduced a bill that would have raised the U.S. hourly minimum to $6.65 and would have covered the Marianas. The legislation, which eventually failed, would have given the islands an initial break by setting its minimum at just $3.55 -- nearly $3 lower than any other territory or state -- and then gradually increasing it.

Within a month, Platt began billing for routine contacts and meetings with Reid's staff, starting with a March 26, 2001, contact with Reid chief of staff Susan McCue to "discuss timing and status of minimum wage legislation," the billing records say.

In all, Platt and a fellow lobbyist reported 21 contacts in 2001 with Reid's office, mostly with McCue and Ryan.

The kicker, of course, is that for all of their effort, Reid never supported the Abramoff position. The very definition of "quid pro quo" is "this for that." In politics, this means something valuable like money or gifts for a politician's votes or some other form of official support. In this case, though Reid or his staffers may have taken meetings on the subject, it never amounted to anything. In other words, there may have been quid, but there was no quo. So this convoluted story is just that -- a convoluted story. No climax, no punchline, and most importantly, no evidence of wrongdoing on the part of Reid.

For a variety of reasons, some of which I still don't get, the old fashioned media wants very badly for this to be a bipartisan scandal. This is only the latest attempt to make it so. But by leaving out such key information as the fact that Reid never supported the Republicans on the Marianas, the whole story is called into question.

If it turns out that I'm wrong, and there is some substance to this anti-Reid narrative, I'll be the first to call him out on it. I like Harry Reid very much, but he's not valuable enough to the Democratic Party for us to lose our advantage on Congressional ethics. But for now, it seems that this is no more than a smear campaign, designed to divert attention away from the diseased and corrupt Republican leadership. And if this is the best they've got, we're still in great shape.

UPDATE: An important note from the comments...

Abramoff is a convicted criminal. He pled guilty, in Federal courts, to the following:

* Defrauding the Indian Tribes
* Tax evasion
* Conspiracy to bribe a Congressman (Bob Ney) with material gifts and lavish trips
* Bank fraud in the purchase of the SunCruz casino deal

Now, looking at this article, how is Harry Reid implicated in any of these charges? He wasn't.



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Re: Smearing Harry Reid (3.00 / 2)

For a variety of reasons, some of which I still don't get, the old fashioned media wants very badly for this to be a bipartisan scandal

Some reasons:

1. They think that blaming both sides creates the impression of balanced moderation.

2. They are terrified of the Right and not at all afraidof the Left.

3. They are too damn lazy to do their job.  


by Richter on Thu Feb 09, 2006 at 04:51:57 PM EST

Re: Smearing Harry Reid (3.00 / 2)

One other factor.  Republicans have benefited big media enormously by loosening up ownership restrictions (see Fox) and by helping out with corporate parents taxes, etc.  GE cares a heck of a lot more about GE than it does about that little NBC subsidiary.  

The hammer, of course, comes in terms of FCC fines and pressures from the religious right as well as the threat of making it more difficult to sell basic cable (and less profitable).  See Viacom, owner of CBS but also MTV and other cable offerings.  Of course, Disney is in the worst position, owning movies and cable networks.


by David Kowalski on Thu Feb 09, 2006 at 05:02:01 PM EST
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On a more personal level (none / 0)

I think journalists and other media professionals might have noticed a pattern over the last 20 or 30 years where, strangely, those writing stories that help the right get bonuses and promotions whereas those writing less biased stories don't tget these benefits and tend to be the first to go when the companies need to "downsize".

Of course, it's all just one big coincidence, and I'm sure it's not anywhere near 100% correllation, just this interesting pattern.  Probably just random chance, nevertheless...


by tolkien on Thu Feb 09, 2006 at 05:13:51 PM EST
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Exactly (3.00 / 2)

Imagine if a company who made large caliber gatling guns for the US military owned a TV network.  Do you think said network would favor the left wing or the right wing?  Of course, they would favor the right.  That company is, of course, GE, and the network is NBC.


by Geotpf on Thu Feb 09, 2006 at 06:00:31 PM EST
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Re: Smearing Harry Reid (none / 0)

First off, great diary.

To add to Richter's comment...
4. They want both parties to be involved because they want this to be even bigger than it is; they're always hoping for that one Enormous Story to Shake the Foundations of whatever it is they're covering.

5. Abdication. Period. The media is tired of fending off attacks from the right and left over their incompetent coverage, so rather than take positions on anything--even when those annoying little facts clearly establish one--they just play the "A says this, B says that" game and wash their hands of it. "We said both sides took Abramoff money, so we're clearly not biased or do anything wrong. Now stop taking our lunch money!"

6. The power of the "everyone does it" meme. Abramoff is a walking stereotype, the backroom fixer throwing wads of cash to unsavory interests. This story comes with a cast of corrupt politicians trading votes for cash, bills for basketball tickets. Sadly, this is what everyone EXPECTS of politicians.

To the sheeple and their media enablers, this is just more of the same. I'm sure a whole lot of people are thinking, "Well, maybe Abramoff is the one who caught, but we all know everyone else is doing it."


by Johnny Gentle Famous Crooner on Thu Feb 09, 2006 at 05:02:34 PM EST
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Abramoff (3.00 / 2)

It seems like some simple facts have been lost in this dialogue.

As a refesher:

Abramoff is a convicted criminal.  He pled guilty, in Federal courts, to the following:

   * Defrauding the Indian Tribes
    * Tax evasion
    * Conspiracy to bribe a Congressman (Bob Ney) with material gifts and lavish trips
    * Bank fraud in the purchase of the SunCruz casino deal

Now, looking at this article, how is Harry Reid implicated in any of these charges?  He wasn't.

Now, at some point, someone might come up with some evidence that shows that Harry Reid accepted a bribe from Abramoff.  Seems very unlikely, but -- hey -- anything is possible.  Did this article present this evidence?

No.

What it does present some data that might show that Harry Reid might have been influenced by Abramoff lobbying efforts.  And then again, he might not have.  Not much of a case.


by bink on Thu Feb 09, 2006 at 04:56:47 PM EST

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i had just read the same AP article, and had my suspicions, and was grateful to see this post -- something didn't smell right, but didn't have all the details to understand --

i expect we'll see this everywhere AGAIN -- it's maddening.


by zzaxx on Thu Feb 09, 2006 at 04:57:55 PM EST

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Why does no one seem to mention that the Indian tribes were a victim of Abramoff's crimes? Abramoff's client's money is not tainted.  It changes the dem's took money too conotations.


by cheflovesbeer on Thu Feb 09, 2006 at 05:04:36 PM EST

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The client's money isn't necessarily clean.  For example, Congressman Doolittle, a California Republican, wrote a letter to the Department of the Interior blasting them for action they had taken against one of Abramoff's clients, an Iowa Indian tribe he had no prior relationship with.  A little while later, Doolittle got a nice big contribution from that Iowa tribe.  Now, you can't tell me that doesn't look dirty.

The point is that the clients' money isn't necessarily clean and it isn't necessarily dirty, although the tribes were certainly victims in some cases.  You have to dig deeper and see if there's evidence of a quid pro quo.

As for this Reid article, I'd be very interested to know more about the reporters and their sources.  It looks like a classic hit piece.


"Another problem we have...is that in election years we behave somewhat as primitive peoples do at the time of the full moon." --Harry Truman
by Steve M on Thu Feb 09, 2006 at 05:38:52 PM EST
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Speaking of Smearing... (3.00 / 0)

Drudge is at it again trying to smear Howard Dean.

Check it out here


by frizzle on Thu Feb 09, 2006 at 05:33:04 PM EST

Re: Smearing Harry Reid (3.00 / 0)

Along the same lines, its important to ask why would Harry Reid have been discussing minimum wage legislation with Abramoff (or his surrogates)?  To pass the legislation Reid needed Republican support.  Chances are he was hearing from otherwise sympathetic Republicans that they wanted to support the legislation, but had an issue with the Marianas exemption.  Any good minority leader would, in that situation, have asked those Republicans, what will it take?  After all, the Marianas exemption was a small issue to compromise on if it meant passing a generally good minimum wage bill.  Perhaps at that point the Republicans said, we'll agree to whatever Jack signs off on.  At which point Reid would have properly instructed his staff to commence discussions with Abramoff and/or his surrogates.  If this scenario is correct, the only villains are Abramoff and the Republicans doing his bidding.


by jay l on Thu Feb 09, 2006 at 05:48:43 PM EST

Re: Smearing Harry Reid (none / 0)

Just for the record, prior to 2002, Reid was the Majority Whip, not the Minority Leader.


"Another problem we have...is that in election years we behave somewhat as primitive peoples do at the time of the full moon." --Harry Truman
by Steve M on Thu Feb 09, 2006 at 05:54:06 PM EST
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Re: Smearing Harry Reid (none / 0)

Good point.  Apologies to Tom Daschle (who was the leader) and Jim Jeffords (who briefly put us in the majority).


by jay l on Thu Feb 09, 2006 at 06:08:15 PM EST
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Re: Smearing Harry Reid (none / 0)

Is there an AP ombudsman?

Who do we talk to about this?

phat


by phatass on Thu Feb 09, 2006 at 06:03:24 PM EST

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"1. How do I send a correction or letter to the editor?
Send an email to info@ap.org and it will be forwarded to the reporter or editor."

I just sent a letter.  Also, their phone number is 212-621-1500.


John McCain
by DanM on Thu Feb 09, 2006 at 06:17:24 PM EST
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Re: Smearing Harry Reid (3.00 / 2)

The article also states that Edward Ayoob, Reid's legislative counsel, left to work for "Abramoff's firm." This is just factually wrong. He left to work for Greenberg Traurig, where Abramoff worked until he "left" after it was discovered that he had been forging invoices.

I would suspect that the other references to unnamed  "consulting firms", "Abramoff's firm" and so on also refer to Greenberg Traurig. It's extremely odd that the article goes to great lengths not to mention the firm by name.

This article is way beyond outrageous.


by Dave Latchaw on Thu Feb 09, 2006 at 06:39:53 PM EST

Re: Smearing Harry Reid (none / 0)

I hope that this turns out to be much ado about nothing, but the parts of the article that concerns me are:

"Reid also intervened on government matters at least five times in ways helpful to Abramoff's tribal clients, once opposing legislation on the Senate floor and four times sending letters pressing the Bush administration on tribal issues. Reid collected donations around the time of each action.

Abramoff's firm also hired one of Reid's top legislative aides as a lobbyist. The aide later helped throw a fundraiser for Reid at Abramoff's firm that raised donations from several of his lobbying partners.

And Reid's longtime chief of staff accepted a free trip to Malaysia arranged by a consulting firm connected to Abramoff that recently has gained attention in the influence-peddling investigation that has gripped the Capitol.

While Abramoff never directly donated to Reid, the lobbyist did instruct one tribe, the Coushattas, to send $5,000 to Reid's tax-exempt political group, the Searchlight Leadership Fund, in 2002. About the same time, Reid sent a letter to the Interior Department helpful to the tribe, records show.

Abramoff sent a list to the tribe entitled "Coushatta Requests" recommending donations to campaigns or groups for 50 lawmakers he claimed were helpful to the tribe. Alongside Reid's name, Abramoff wrote, '5,000 (Searchlight Leadership Fund) Senate Majority Whip.'"

I'm reserving judgment, but because there doesn't seem to be any implication of a crime, but if this goes south for Reid, I think we need to be prepared to throw him overboard to avoid any appearance of hypocrisy.


by Edward Copeland on Thu Feb 09, 2006 at 06:40:46 PM EST

Re: Smearing Harry Reid (3.00 / 0)

I hope you write a correcting e-mail to AP about this. Democrats should defend aggressively their good name.  Dont allow anyone to muddy it.


by jasmine on Thu Feb 09, 2006 at 06:42:43 PM EST

Re: Smearing Harry Reid (3.00 / 0)

Old school tactics. The only difference is that republicans today have to use their own as the main bad guys. Our media is still as incompetant now as it was back then. Where's Vito Marcantonio when you need him?


543,895 votes
by Michael Bersin on Thu Feb 09, 2006 at 06:48:29 PM EST

Re: Smearing Harry Reid (1.00 / 2)

I wonder why you think 543,895 votes is significant.  Do you think we should have violated the Constitution and made Gore President?

Do you think that shows Gore was more popular?  Because, you know, it doesn't.  Because each state is voting for something different, that affects voting patterns in each state.  So in MA someone may be less likely to bother voting because Gore is going to win anyway, and in TX same thing, because Bush is going to win.

Since we are not actually voting together as one pool of voters, you cannot reasonably lump them all together and have it be meaningful.  It is absolutely irrational to say the election proved Gore was more popular nationwide, because we did not actually have a vote that showed that.


by pudge on Thu Feb 09, 2006 at 06:59:23 PM EST
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Troll! (none / 0)

Trolling, trolling, trolling! Yeah, the republican national committee really does pay for piecework! I'm not zeroing you out because it'll be fun to make an example of you.


543,895 votes
by Michael Bersin on Thu Feb 09, 2006 at 07:04:41 PM EST
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Re: Troll! (1.00 / 1)

Wow.  My perfectly reasonable post about Reid was deleted.  Which part was offensive?  The fact that he has been trying to smear Republicans who actually have done less for Abramoff clients than he is, and are even less tied to these charges than he is?


by pudge on Thu Feb 09, 2006 at 07:10:56 PM EST
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Re: Troll! (none / 0)

Now, now. Supposedly self-reliant right wingnuts shouldn't whine. It's unseemly.


543,895 votes
by Michael Bersin on Thu Feb 09, 2006 at 07:16:24 PM EST
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Re: Troll! (1.00 / 2)

I wonder if you can post without resorting to ad hominem?

Regardless, I am not whining.  I am laughing.  Laughing that you aid to confirm all the opinions of those out there who think that many left wingers simply cannot accept dissent, even when presented reasonably.

It's sad, really.  I am a Republican -- no, not from the RNC, nor sent here by anyone, except a very liberal friend of mine who pointed me to the post -- but I am an American, and a firm believer in the importance of a two-party system.  And people like you and Howard Dean -- and, a few weeks ago, Reid, who (literally) shouted down an interviewer by (not literally) sticking his fingers in his ears and (literally) repeating over and over "this is a REPUBLICAN scandal!" -- who try to quiet any opposition or dissent only hurt the Democratic party as a whole, and it is in such bad shape, I sometimes wonder if it will ever recover.

If left up to people like you and Dean, it will not.  We will end up with a single party like in the 1820s, when, incidentally -- tying it all together now -- a certain son of a former President born in Masschusetts (who himself lost his bid for a second term to his political enemy from the South who would later be his close friend in their waning years) won election having "lost" the popular vote.  (Sounds familiar, don't it?)

Although, JQ Adams didn't even win the electoral college, but neither did anyone get a majority, so it was thrown to the House, which selected him.  Jackson would win four years later.


by pudge on Thu Feb 09, 2006 at 07:31:32 PM EST
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Oh, grasshopper? (3.00 / 0)

Oh, grasshopper?

Since we're so worried about the Constitution, can you tell us about a little itty bitty clause in Article VI and its implications for the United States in Article 4 of the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights or Article 3 of the Convention Against Torture and Other Cruel, Inhuman or Degrading Treatment or Punishment?

Now, tell us how that little man occupying the Wite House should not be impeached, convicted and removed from office. Rule of law? Heh.

Okay, tell us how FISA and the IV Amendment are meaningless.

Yeah, a "liberal friend" sent you here. That's rich. Your concern for the "two party system" is touching. Touching, I say. The tears. Excuse me. I have to take a break.

Okay, I'm back.

Hey, if the IV Amendment doesn't mean anything, can the II Amendment be far behind?


543,895 votes
by Michael Bersin on Thu Feb 09, 2006 at 07:54:56 PM EST
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Pudgy (3.00 / 1)

It IS a Republican scandal. As was the Cunningham scandal. And the DeLay scandal. And the Frist one. And G-D knows how many others still coming to light. The day the Right admits that this degree of corruption in a political party -- and one powerful enough to block most investigations, it's worth adding -- is absolutely unprecedented in modern times is the day we'll stop shouting!


by Matt in NYC on Thu Feb 09, 2006 at 09:48:07 PM EST
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Re: "Nonexistent" popular vote (none / 0)

Pudge, IMO you are correct only in asserting that the nationwide total number of votes has no legal standing. You say downstream that you are a fan of the Electoral College. I wonder if you'd feel the same way if electoral votes were currently allocated in such a way as to favor states with larger, more urban populations less likely to favor the GOP.
As to Harry Reid, I frankly agree with you that my fellow liberals are on shaky ground in asserting that he is pure as the driven snow --- at least with respect to the $5000 from the Coushatta tribe. But in the Marianas case, the fact that he did not vote Abramoff's way does mean that his vote was not influenced by the "contacts" detailed in the AP article. There was no quid pro quo. Abramoff is a Republican lobbyist, and this is a Republican scandal.
by dumpster on Thu Feb 09, 2006 at 09:12:20 PM EST
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Re: Smearing Harry Reid (1.00 / 2)

Nice way to answer the question.  Do you think we should have violated the Constitution by making Gore President based on the nonexistent "popular vote"?


by pudge on Thu Feb 09, 2006 at 07:05:42 PM EST

Ah! (none / 0)

Ah, grasshopper wants to play!

On which particular supreme court case did his eminence, Antonin Scalia, not ask his favorite 14th Amendment question, "Who has standing?"


543,895 votes
by Michael Bersin on Thu Feb 09, 2006 at 07:10:55 PM EST
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Re: Ah! (1.00 / 1)

What's that got to do with the so-called "popular vote?"

Please pay attention, and answer the question put to you.


by pudge on Thu Feb 09, 2006 at 07:12:04 PM EST
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Re: Ah! (none / 0)

Ah, grasshopper! That's the game. You get all twinkly about the Constitution, having never read it or comprehended anything about it, and I send you on little journeys so you can demonstrate your wonderful research skills to everyone here!


543,895 votes
by Michael Bersin on Thu Feb 09, 2006 at 07:15:35 PM EST
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Re: Ah! (1.00 / 2)

So you won't answer then?  Instead you'll just cast silly ad hominems about me somehow being sent by the RNC and being ignorant of the Constitution?  Must we first have an in-depth discussion of Federalist 68 before you give me an answer?  Or is there any hope of you answering at all?

I am busy.  I am not interested in your opinions of how the various members of the court may have changed their views of the 14th amendment.  I am not concerned with the Supreme Court at all, in this context.  I am only curious as to what would possess someone to fixate on a number that verifiably has no actual meaning, statistically, legally, or otherwise.

If you won't answer, just say so.  If you do not answer in the next post, I will assume that's a No.


by pudge on Thu Feb 09, 2006 at 07:23:42 PM EST
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Re: Ah! (3.00 / 1)

Funny how you immediately picked up on the meaning of a number with "no actual meaning, statistically, legally, or otherwise."

I am kind of amazed because I have never seen someone troll so adamantly over such a trivial point.  That number with no meaning must have struck a nerve.


"Another problem we have...is that in election years we behave somewhat as primitive peoples do at the time of the full moon." --Harry Truman
by Steve M on Thu Feb 09, 2006 at 07:31:03 PM EST
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Re: Ah! (1.00 / 1)

Funny how you immediately picked up on the meaning of a number with "no actual meaning, statistically, legally, or otherwise."

I didn't.  As you stated previously, I have mad research skillz.  That is, the first hit in Google turned it up.

That number with no meaning must have struck a nerve.

Yes.  I see many people talk about Bush losing the election, as though the popular vote actually has any meaning in regard to who should be President.  It's a pet peeve of mine.

Further, I am an ardent supporter of the electoral college, and therefore seek to understand those who oppose it in various ways.  I was simply curious as to your views on it, as I stated out the outset.  You apparently didn't believe me.  Oh well.

But you apparently cannot tell me what you think the relevance of the popular vote is.  What's puzzling is why you were listing it despite not knowing why you were doing so.


by pudge on Thu Feb 09, 2006 at 07:36:23 PM EST
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Popular Vote (3.00 / 1)

I'll take a go at your question.

The relevance of the popular vote is that it measures in absolute terms how many Americans back each candidate.

Using this measurement, if Candidate A receives more popular votes than Candidate B then the following is undeniably true:

More people voted for Candidate A than voted for Candidate B.

In many systems this would be considered significant. In terms of the 2000 election then we could substitute actual names for the above and come up with:

More people voted for Al Gore than voted for George Bush

Make of that what you will but it is a cold, hard, fact.


by Curt Matlock on Thu Feb 09, 2006 at 07:47:39 PM EST
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Re: Ah! (3.00 / 2)

Humorous.  You are so "busy" that you Google apparently random numbers that pop up in people's signatures.  And then that number just happens to correspond with one of your pet peeves.

What is your fascination with demanding whether the original poster wants to ignore the Constitution?  Do you feel like that would make him a good candidate to join the GOP?


"Another problem we have...is that in election years we behave somewhat as primitive peoples do at the time of the full moon." --Harry Truman
by Steve M on Thu Feb 09, 2006 at 08:23:35 PM EST
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Re: Ah! (3.00 / 1)

can't be too busy if you can spare time to talk about the 2000 election in a thread about Harry Reid.


by Lucas O'Connor on Thu Feb 09, 2006 at 07:31:28 PM EST
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Re: Ah! (1.00 / 1)

Whatever.  I have only until ... now.  And I wanted an answer to a simple question.  One I won't get.  So, oh well.


by pudge on Thu Feb 09, 2006 at 07:39:33 PM EST
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Re: Ah! (3.00 / 1)

so busy that you have time to explain that to me as well.


by Lucas O'Connor on Thu Feb 09, 2006 at 07:49:05 PM EST
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Re: Ah! (none / 0)

Gore won Florida, and you know it.

Two stolen elections in a row, and now king George is spying on the opposition. When he isn't busy handing out pork to billionaries and killing poor families that is.


The history of the left is a history of purists betraying the progressive movement so that they can feel good about their righteous selves.
by Populism2008 on Thu Feb 09, 2006 at 07:35:13 PM EST
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Re: Ah! (1.00 / 1)

Heh, talk about trolls.

JFK stole the election from Nixon, too!  And Thomas Jefferson, the original Democrat, played more dirty tricks than Rove and Nixon put together!

Yawn.


by pudge on Thu Feb 09, 2006 at 07:38:23 PM EST
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Re: Ah! (none / 0)

Thank goodness that enough wrongs combine to make it right.


by Lucas O'Connor on Thu Feb 09, 2006 at 07:49:49 PM EST
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Re: Smearing Harry Reid (3.00 / 1)

I think we should have followed the Constitution by protecting the right of all eligible Floridians to have the votes counted. The Supremes inserted themselves into a state matter, ignoring all their talk abut Federalism and then cited a peculiar interpretation of the equal protection clause, and offered a ruling they themselves declared as a non-precedent.

Keith


by keith johnson on Thu Feb 09, 2006 at 08:08:41 PM EST
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Re: Smearing Harry Reid (3.00 / 1)

-->The first clue was that Senator Reid has a long history of protecting gambling in Nevada from outside competition.

Your first clue should have been that Abramoff is a Republican lobbyist, a big cog in their cash-generating machine. This is surely known to all players in Washington. Why would Reid want to have anything to do with him, let alone break with his party to do the guy a favor? Why would any Democrat?

The bottom line is that no Democrat has received any money from Abramoff, and they have received less money from clients of his than they did before he came into the picture.


by moopfhan on Thu Feb 09, 2006 at 07:44:31 PM EST

Re: Smearing Harry Reid (3.00 / 1)

SPEAKING OF GAMBLING:

I'LL GIVE YOU ODDS THAT TWEETY GOES AFTER THIS NON-STORY TONIGHT.


by Bush Bites on Thu Feb 09, 2006 at 07:51:56 PM EST

Harry Reid - straight arrow (3.00 / 1)

As if Harry Reid has anything in his history of being anything other than a straight arrow?

...In July of 1978, a man named Jack Gordon, who was later married to LaToya Jackson, offered Reid twelve thousand dollars to approve two new, carnival-like gaming devices for casino use. Reid reported the attempted bribe to the F.B.I. and arranged a meeting with Gordon in his office. By agreement, F.B.I. agents burst in to arrest Gordon at the point where Reid asked, "Is this the money?" Although he was taking part in a sting, Reid was unable to control his temper; the videotape shows him getting up from his chair and saying, "You son of a bitch, you tried to bribe me!" and attempting to choke Gordon, before startled agents pulled him off. "I was so angry with him for thinking he could bribe me," Reid said, explaining his theatrical outburst. Gordon was convicted in federal court in 1979 and sentenced to six months in prison.

One day in 1981, Landra Reid noticed that the family station wagon was not running properly, and she discovered a cable under the hood and "something" sticking out of the gas tank. Police found a device that would have exploded had it been correctly grounded. Reid always blamed Gordon for the bomb, and the incident frightened his family--by then there were five children, four sons and a daughter--so that for a year they started the car by remote control. Gordon died in April, at the age of sixty-six, and his connection to the bombing attempt was never proved. McCue, Reid's chief of staff, says that the episode changed Reid. Whatever the issue, she says, his approach is always "No one is going to kill me over this...."

After that, I don't think rnc talking points crap hurled at Harry Reid by republican servicing media stenographers has much personal impact on him.


543,895 votes
by Michael Bersin on Thu Feb 09, 2006 at 08:38:22 PM EST

Re: Smearing Harry Reid (none / 0)

re: ...the old fashioned media wants very badly for this to be a bipartisan scandal....

repeat again and again...

conservative biased main stream media
elite conservative biased media

etc.

"old fashioned media"= conservative biased MSM

When are we going to learn this and say it out loud?


by waddayaknow on Fri Feb 10, 2006 at 04:03:24 PM EST

Re: Smearing Harry Reid (none / 0)

I wonder if you can post without resorting to ad hominem?

Regardless, I am not whining.  I am laughing.  Laughing that you aid to confirm all the opinions of those out there who think that many left wingers simply cannot accept dissent, even when presented reasonably.

It's sad, really.  I am a Republican -- no, not from the RNC, nor sent here by anyone, except a very liberal friend of mine who pointed me to the post -- but I am an American, and a firm believer in the importance of a two-party system.  And people like you and Howard Dean -- and, a few weeks ago, Reid, who (literally) shouted down an interviewer by (not literally) sticking his fingers in his ears and (literally) repeating over and over "this is a REPUBLICAN scandal!" -- who try to quiet any opposition or dissent only hurt the Democratic party as a whole, and it is in such bad shape, I sometimes wonder if it will ever recover.

If left up to people like you and Dean, it will not.  We will end up with a single party like in the 1820s, when, incidentally -- tying it all together now -- a certain son of a former President born in Masschusetts (who himself lost his bid for a second term to his political enemy from the South who would later be his close friend in their waning years) won election having "lost" the popular vote.  (Sounds familiar, don't it?)

Although, JQ Adams didn't even win the electoral college, but neither did anyone get a majority, so it was thrown to the House, which selected him.  Jackson would win four years later.

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by kimi98 on Wed Mar 08, 2006 at 07:23:21 AM EST


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