The Stakes This Year

There has been a significant amount of unhappiness and even outrage within the progressive blogosphere are the direction the campaign for Congress has taken in recent months. The likely Democratic Senatorial nominee in Pennsylvania does not fall in line with the party's stance on abortion, a highly charismatic, though somewhat unpolished candidate in Ohio is no longer running for the Democratic Senatorial nomination in that state, and the possibility remains that the blogosphere's favored candidate in the Montana Senate race will not receive his party's nomination. The list goes on.

Some of us in the progressive wing of the blogosphere have contemplated staying home on election day rather than supporting the eventual Democratic nominee in the state. Why, if my candidate did not gain the party nomination -- for whatever reason -- should I go to the polls on election day, let alone try to organize or work to get out the vote in the coming months? The answer comes, from all places, the regressive conservative Paul Weyrich.

In his column today for The National Ledger, Weyrich discusses the possibility that the tenure of Supreme Court Justice John Paul Stevens might not last until the next Presidential election. Weyrich writes,

[The] rumor is that President George W. Bush will have another vacancy on the Supreme Court when the term ends this coming June.

One Senator claims he has specific knowledge that the vacancy is coming. The speculation revolves around 85-year-old Associate Justice John Paul Stevens.

Is there any particular reason to believe that Paul Weyrich has genuine insider information about John Paul Stevens' future on the Supreme Court? No, so let's get that out of the way.

What Weyrich does with this column, however, is to remind those on both sides of the aisle just what the stakes are this November. This isn't just about Iraq, this isn't just about Social Security, this isn't just about healthcare -- though it is about these things to a great extent -- this is also about the future of American jurisprudence. The next Associate Justics of the United States Supreme Court will have immense sway over the direction of the court, particularly if the next vacancy comes from the seat held by John Paul Steven, or that of Ruth Bader Ginsburg, for that matter.

Will a Bob Casey vote to stop the nomination of an extreme conservative to the Court? It's not entirely clear, though his track record of voicing support for Bush's nominations of John Roberts and Samuel Alito does not provide much hope that he will vote to uphold a woman's right to choose, for instance. But with Bob Casey in the United States Senate, along with Democrats in red states like Missouri, Ohio, Montana, and maybe even Arizona, Virginia and Nevada, Patrick Leahy could chair the next hearing on the nomination to the Supreme Court. Without Bob Casey and other moderate or conservative red state Dems, Arlen Specter could have yet another opportunity to prove that he can cave to the Bush administration when push comes to shove.

Is it enjoyable to hold your nose and vote for a candidate you did not support during the primary campaign? Usually not, no. But if the potential reward is a Democratic-controlled Senate Judiciary Committee while the potential downside is another Samuel Alito or two on the Supreme Court, I know that I'd be voting for a Democratic Senate instead of a Republican Senate in the 110th Congress.



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Re: The Stakes This Year (2.00 / 2)

an apologist is an apologist is an apologist


DAGGER
by goplies on Sun Feb 19, 2006 at 10:29:51 PM EST

*yawn* (none / 0)

I have a 3 line BASIC program consisting largely of GOTOs that can come up with better arguments than your last message...


by Teaser on Sun Feb 19, 2006 at 10:46:19 PM EST
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Re: *yawn* (none / 0)

You know what. Your post makes it sound as if we are stuck with a DINO in Ohio. In truth, Sherrod Brown is much more progressive than Hackett ever was.

Pennsylvania was a disaster from day one. I think we are going to rue the day we just "gave" the nomination to Casey.

And we still have a good shot in Montana with Tester.


by JackBourassa on Sun Feb 19, 2006 at 11:39:37 PM EST
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Re: *yawn* (none / 0)

"gave the nomination"

Casey is the most popular Democrat in the state now that Rendell is down in popularity.

Sure it would be nice to have a more liberal Democratic candidate than Casey running, but let's be honest: there isn't a single Democrat that can defeat him in the primary.


by Adam T on Mon Feb 20, 2006 at 04:07:03 AM EST
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Re: *yawn* (none / 0)

Casey's "popularity" is based largely on name recognition and his empty suit campaign. Is Casey going to refuse to debate Santorum the same way he has refused to debate Pennacchio?

Has Casey's "popularity" been broken down in any polls to distinguish between Republican support and Democratic support? How "popular" is Casey with pro-choice Democrats? Is Casey going to get NARAL's endorsement or is he going to be running against them the same way he is running against Move On?


by Gary Boatwright on Mon Feb 20, 2006 at 10:59:10 AM EST
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Casey's trying to run out the clock (none / 0)

Then why is Casey running a terrified campaign that won't discuss issues?   Pennacchio can beat Casey and he's the best bet to beat Santorum because when we go issue for issue with two passionate and committed candidates, we'll win in PA.  

Casey's strategy is almost comical: He's desperately running from the issues now.  But in the general, if he gets that far, no amount of DINO behavior will save him from Santorum casting him as a special-interest, liberal Democrat. His whole campaign is about beating that label (whereas Pennacchio is immunized against it since he doesn't take PAC money and he's not ashamed of being a Democrat).  Playing defense, Casey will move further and further Right until nobody knows what he believes.  In fact he's nearly there now.  Along the way he'll have lost most of the base -  his best hope will be that we stay home (I still can't imagine that a national campaign is anchored in hoping the base stays home) - and the GOP voters will, after wringing their hands for a little while, vote how they always vote. Santorum, after all, is a powerful guy.  Why trade down with Casey?  Why take the chance that he won't betray his party on every vote and side with the GOP?   And do you think that we're the only people who know how to count and know what a majority in the Senate means?  

Casey can't win without the base and he's done nothing but tell us to sit this one out. He's going to try to win with the GOP and with the mythical swing voter.  The entire scheme is a recipe for disaster.  Count on it.  


by eRobin on Tue Feb 21, 2006 at 01:59:18 PM EST
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Re: *yawn* (none / 0)

I have seen nothing but Dems, Pundits and Bloggers back off their ideals time and time again.  Then you all come up with your excuses,  not unlike most American Olympic athletes this year.

"Oh the course was too bumpy."
"Oh I had to stand outside and was cold."
"Oh I had a sinus thing."

The rising tide of "oh who gives a fuck anyway...I gotta get mine and if you're not helping then you are hindering"...is very worrisome. Especially on supposedly progressive blogs.


DAGGER
by goplies on Mon Feb 20, 2006 at 01:22:14 AM EST
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What excuses? (none / 0)

You're the one backing away from your ideals if you aren't working towards a Democratic majority. There is no "who gives a fuck" mentality by anybody but those who don't care about the Dems gaining victories in the Senate.


by mikeinflorida on Mon Feb 20, 2006 at 08:59:44 AM EST
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Re: What excuses? (none / 0)

Question:What will progressives gain from a Harry Reid/Bob Casey majority in the Senate?

Answer: Not a damn thing.


by Gary Boatwright on Mon Feb 20, 2006 at 11:00:22 AM EST
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I'm with Bob. (none / 0)

I'm not going to send a message to the Dems that it's okay by me if you run DINOs in PA.  If we have a fair primary without the state and national party bigfooting all over it, and the voters picked Casey, that would be one thing. So far, we aren't getting that.  And I'm not going to support whatever it is we do have.


by eRobin on Tue Feb 21, 2006 at 02:03:08 PM EST
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Big Deal (sarcasm) (3.00 / 1)

...Patrick Leahy could chair the next hearing on the nomination to the Supreme Court.

Yes, I listened to Pat Leahy during the last two confirmation hearings.  I'm convinced that Leahy as the Senate Jud. Chair would result in EXACTLY the same outcome as Specter.  Leahy is weak weak weak.  He is a one of many in the Dem leadership that have allowed the right wing to persist unchallenged.

If you are going to try to convince Pennsylvanians to vote for Casey, you'll have to do better than this, because Casey is already on record as pro-Alito and pro-Roberts, which most likely makes him pro-next-Bush-appointee.

The stronger arguments for Casey came from Chris (although Chris made the same lame comment about Leahy):  workers' rights, minimum wage, social security...


How is John McCain different than John Edwards?
by The lurking ecologist on Sun Feb 19, 2006 at 10:47:46 PM EST

Re: Big Deal (sarcasm) (none / 0)

Sorry, I disagree. If Leahy chairs the committee, it means Dems will outnumber Repugs on the committee. In a party-line vote (which happened with both Roberts and Alito), that means the Bush nominee would NOT get out of committee if Dems controlled the Senate.

There were a number of Dems who voted for Roberts and Alito, but none served on the Judiciary Committee. So your disdain for Leahy is totally unjustified.


John McCain: 100 years in Iraq "would be fine with me."
by desmoinesdem on Sun Feb 19, 2006 at 11:17:39 PM EST
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Re: Big Deal (sarcasm) (none / 0)

I agree. But we have to make sure that Casey doesn't get on the Judiciary Committee.


by JackBourassa on Sun Feb 19, 2006 at 11:41:47 PM EST
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Leahy voted for Roberts (3.00 / 1)

In committee and for final confirmation.  So did Kohl and Feingold.

Leahy is no help to us.  If we do win the Senate in the next election, I hope the Dem leadership has the good sense to pick someone else for Judiciary chairman.  In fact, of the 8 Dems on the committee, I would only pick Leahy over Herb Kohl.


How is John McCain different than John Edwards?
by The lurking ecologist on Mon Feb 20, 2006 at 12:25:16 AM EST
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Re: Leahy voted for Roberts (none / 0)

Absolutely so.

But isn't this precisely the problem? Even with a Dem majority, so we really think the Dem leadership is competent enough to not get "rolled" on the next nomination?

I for one think not. No balls, no glory, and the dems have shown nothing if not that they have no balls over the past coupla decades, and especially the past 5 years.

And no, Teddy Kennedy, dissolute balls does not equal balls, as your miserable Alito performance attests.


by redstar66 on Mon Feb 20, 2006 at 11:50:51 AM EST
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Re: The Stakes This Year (2.83 / 6)

Ya know....some times things have to get worse before they get better.

If you think for one second that I or anybody else in the progressive community is going to support the kind of sell-out, spineless clowns we've got leading the Dems today...yer smokin' da crack.

Or are you saying: "I'm for Biden...I support Liebermann...I like Feinstein...Schumer, he's my guy"?

Wake up and smell the coffee dudes. All these folks and Hillary have GOT TO GO!.

Give me Dean.

Give me Feingold.

Give me Hackett.

Give me folks who want to fight for the America I know....you know the one where:

We don't fly people to Central Europe to torture them.

We don't data mine our own citizens.

We don't wage an illegal war.

We don't commit war crimes.

We have the ability to protect our citizens from attack and natural disaster.

Cease to whine about how we must support "Dems" who want to kiss ReThugs.

Tell us about progressive candidates that STAND FOR PROGRESSIVE AGENDAS not ReThug enablers whose whole reason for being is getting re-elected. That has not, does not and will not work.


by Pericles on Sun Feb 19, 2006 at 10:58:18 PM EST

I wish the religious right thought like you (3.00 / 2)

For decades the religious right-wingers toiled within the GOP, working to take over local and county and state committees, working to rewrite platforms, and in many cases having to vote for Republicans who were not on the same page as they were. After decades of this kind of work, religious right-wingers control the GOP.

Where are we? We have too many petulant progressives who are eager to desert the Democratic Party to try to build the Green Party or some other group that could never be elected. We need to devote years to working within the Democratic Party.

That means getting off your ass, Pericles, and registering people to vote, joining your precinct committee, doing GOTV work, etc. Progressives need to be in this fight for the long haul.


John McCain: 100 years in Iraq "would be fine with me."
by desmoinesdem on Sun Feb 19, 2006 at 11:20:59 PM EST
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Re: I wish the religious right thought like you (none / 0)

Excuse me but you are never going to get the likes of Clinton, Biden, Schumer et. al. to do anything but take yer money.

I am for fighting back but I recognize that the current Dem "leadership" are responsible in large measure for the situation as it now is. Or do you think Rove the Wonder Dog is a genius...that Bush is the great leader he says he is...that Bill Frist deserves, deserves to be the next President of the United States? The Republicans are in power in large part because the current crop of leaders in the Democratic Party are fools, incompetents or worse.

My underlying point is that we are going to have to start at the bottom with Governor Dean and rebuild the Democratic Party in such a way that Hillary, the two Joes and all the rest of the "Vichy Dems" are sent packing.

So I am just like the ReThugs who have been working hard for so long to reach a position of power they have.

I do differ in that I want the folks I support to be able to deliver a totally progressive agenda to our nation.

Think Clinton or Biden can do that?

I don't.


by Pericles on Sun Feb 19, 2006 at 11:35:15 PM EST
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Re: I wish the religious right thought like you (3.00 / 1)

Pericles, support the party not the leadership.

We need to win, and we won't do it by destroying ourselves. I agree that the leadership are jerks. But we have a strong candidate - one of us - in Rhode Island and Ohio. Let's help Tester win in Montana. Then we'd have three.

We take over the party one election at a time. We already control the majority of Dems in the House. Most of the nominees for 2006 are our type of Dems as well. And we've already taken over the leadership.

We take over one election at a time. The reason the left fails is because we are too impatient. We want "all or nothing." Well, don't be surprised if you end up with nothing if that's your attitude. Don't get discouraged with every minor setback. See the bigger picture. We are making gains. We are winning. There's a reason you read these "inside Dems" attacking us in Washington newspapers and journals. Because they are afraid of us. We are gaining on them and they know it. So they try to discredit us. But so far, they have failed.

I'm tired of Democrats talking about what's wrong with the Democratic Party (both inside Washington and outside). Let's focus on the Republicans and slowly we will take over in Washington.

P.S. Brown is way better than Hackett. Far more progressive.


by JackBourassa on Sun Feb 19, 2006 at 11:52:46 PM EST
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Are you kidding me? (none / 0)

support the party not the leadership.

and

Let's focus on the Republicans and slowly we will take over in Washington.

When is the Democratic Party going to focus on Republicans? If Al From and Joe Lieberman ever criticized a Republican half as much as they have criticized Howard Dean there might be a reason to support the party.

What the hell has "the party" ever done that deserves progressive support? The caved on Abu Ghraib. They caved on Roberts and Alito. "The Party" was actually gung ho for bankruptcy "reform." Do I need to go any further? "The Party" sucks even more than Bob Casey. The Fucking Party is the whole goddamn problem.

We take back our party and our country by strictly supporting Dems who agree with our values. Screw From, Lieberman, Casey and "the party."


by Gary Boatwright on Mon Feb 20, 2006 at 03:21:30 AM EST
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Re: I wish the religious right thought like you (none / 0)

No, you do not have to be a part of it to influence it.  In fact it is much harder because you usually get stuck doing bullshit busy work to make somebody else look good who could care less about the election.


DAGGER
by goplies on Mon Feb 20, 2006 at 01:25:34 AM EST
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Re: I wish the religious right thought like you (none / 0)

How convenient for you.


543,895 votes
by Michael Bersin on Mon Feb 20, 2006 at 09:51:47 AM EST
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Re: I wish the religious right thought like you (none / 0)

Yes it's been very "convenient" arguing with people willing to shill for rich idiots with no concept of the problems facing the poor, immigrant workers, students, teachers, doctors, nurses etc.


DAGGER
by goplies on Mon Feb 20, 2006 at 04:35:24 PM EST
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Re: I wish the religious right thought like you (none / 0)

Still, it works out quite well for you, doesn't it? You can shout about the injustice of it all, but you can't be bothered to find a single candidate who meets with all of your tests for purity (they are out there) so that you can participate in the hard work of organizing and getting out the vote. It's tragic I tell you, just tragic.


543,895 votes
by Michael Bersin on Mon Feb 20, 2006 at 04:42:35 PM EST
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Re: I wish the religious right thought like you (none / 0)

Spitzer's been doing a fine job.  I helped him early on by encouraging my political online community to endorse him for governor. I assisted A Democrat in Upstate NY get elected by encouraging local bloggers to talk with him and by publicizing his web site.  I have been blogging about the failings of Pataki and other local Republicans, I have been blogging about local injustices, the issues I chose reached national and international audiences.  Quite presumptive of you to think that I am not doing my part for the Progressive Movement.


DAGGER
by goplies on Mon Feb 20, 2006 at 06:40:52 PM EST
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Re: I wish the religious right thought like you (none / 0)

...Quite presumptive of you to think that I am not doing my part for the Progressive Movement...

You wrote this - I didn't:

...In fact it is much harder because you usually get stuck doing bullshit busy work to make somebody else look good who could care less about the election...

By the way, what "Progressive Movement"? It's a convenient catch all label - other than that it's going to need a galvanizing leader and more than a whole bunch of Type A James Carville wannabes on blogs enagaging in circular firing squads and jostling for crumbs in search of their fifteen minutes of fame.

If you want a movement it's going to take a huge number of motivated people writing, thinking, and acting intelligently with absolute commitment all of the time. Emphasis on the actual acting part.

Big whoop. You helped some candidates by blogging. Are you organizing your precinct now? Or are you actually doing the hard work within a campaign? There's not a lot of glory in it, but it works. Even the "bullshit busy work" for which you have so much disdain.

...the issues I chose reached national and international audiences...

Heh. That's not the first time I've read that.


543,895 votes
by Michael Bersin on Mon Feb 20, 2006 at 07:08:33 PM EST
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Re: I wish the religious right thought like you (none / 0)

Have fun signing up people for email lists!


DAGGER
by goplies on Mon Feb 20, 2006 at 07:56:51 PM EST
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Re: I wish the religious right thought like you (none / 0)

Even the most doe-eyed political ingenue knows that door-to-door is more effective. Plus it'll get you out of your parent's basement and into some fresh air.


543,895 votes
by Michael Bersin on Mon Feb 20, 2006 at 08:11:55 PM EST
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Re: I wish the religious right thought like you (none / 0)

So why are you posting here?  Aren't you wasting precious time?  "Do as I say not as I do."


DAGGER
by goplies on Mon Feb 20, 2006 at 10:27:35 PM EST
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Re: I wish the religious right thought like you (none / 0)

I'm quite good at multitasking. Learn to do some basic research, grasshopper.


543,895 votes
by Michael Bersin on Mon Feb 20, 2006 at 11:25:39 PM EST
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Re: I wish the religious right thought like you (none / 0)

Is that a real poncho or is that a Sears poncho?

I don't need any gurus in my life chumpsky.  Thanks for the offer though, perhaps you'll get the next Progressive Idealist.


DAGGER
by goplies on Tue Feb 21, 2006 at 12:14:53 AM EST
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Re: I wish the religious right thought like you (none / 0)

Does your your beanie come with that propeller?


543,895 votes
by Michael Bersin on Tue Feb 21, 2006 at 07:16:01 AM EST
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Re: I wish the religious right thought like you (none / 0)

Wrong. The relgious right refused to vote for Bush I and he lost as a result of it.  It didn't hurt them any because they got Newt Gingrich, the contract on American and eventally Bush II.  They didn't get a loyal party by voting for moderates. Not at all. They nominated religious right candidates in the primaries and if they didn't get their way they stayed home.


Dameocrat Blog also Stray Roots Messageboard
by Dameocrat on Mon Feb 20, 2006 at 03:15:50 PM EST
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Re: I wish the religious right thought like you (none / 0)

Was it decades?  I thought that the religious right was largely de-politicized until sometime during BushCo Pere's campaign when the lightbulbs started going off over some GOP strategist's heads.  They used that loss as a rallying cry for the next eight years culminating in BushCo's appointment in 2000.  

I'm not saying that the GOP's success was an overnight thing - I know there have been decades of work in a ton of different areas, including the hammering and acquisition of the corporate media.  But I think the religious strategy did start to really move effectively in the 90s.  


by eRobin on Tue Feb 21, 2006 at 02:08:01 PM EST
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OH GOD, NO!!! (3.00 / 1)

I would shit in my pants if John Paul Stevens retires before Bush's term ends.  Anyone who has taken ConLaw in law school knows that another vote to add to the reactionary four already there would change our country more than two or three presidencies COMBINED.

I hate that people don't take the following comment seriously at this point:
IF JPS IS REPLACED BY ANOTHER ALITO OR ROBERTS, FORGET GOING BACK TO THE FIFTIES, WE'RE GOING BACK TO THE LATE 19TH CENTURY.  PERIOD.

For this reason alone, the makeup of the Supreme Court to me is tantamount to defending the very fabric of the country.  And if all we have is moderates in the Senate but who happen to block conservative Supreme Court nominations, then the country is safe, by and large.

A JPS retirement for me would be the most serious thing in the fucking world.


McCain is defining Obama, and Obama is neither defining himself, nor McCain. This is awful.
by jgarcia on Sun Feb 19, 2006 at 10:58:25 PM EST

Re: OH GOD, NO!!! (none / 0)

You are absolutely right about that.  Stevens retiring is a hell of a lot different than O'Connor leaving the bench and Rehnquist passing away.  

This is the real deal.  Stevens is now one of the most liberal members of the court (by todays standards) and a conservative replacement would result in the victory Republicans have been fighting for since the 1950s.  They would finally have their solid monolithic majority.  No meanderers, no wanderers, no justices "changing" their judicial temperment after a couple of years on the bench.  Just plain, cold-blooded conservative votes on every issue.  And not just on abortion, but on commerce clause issues, equal protection, first amendment, etc.  

Next to a Presidential election, this is about as big as it can get.  Seriously.

I sincerely hope he remains on the bench for another few years.  


by Eric11 on Sun Feb 19, 2006 at 11:22:59 PM EST
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Re: OH GOD, NO!!! (none / 0)

Just to add what I just said, I was a little hestitant about fillibustering both Roberts and Alito. Fillibustering a Supreme Court nominee is a major undetaking, both philosophically and politically.  

However, if Stevens does indeed retire, it's no holds barred.  There is no question in my mind about it.  It's a fight to the death.  


by Eric11 on Sun Feb 19, 2006 at 11:26:37 PM EST
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2004 is when justices counted, (3.00 / 1)

not 2006. 2008 is when they'll count again. The Senate being in our hands will not stop Bush from nominating rightwing, anti-choice, anti-gay, pro-executive infallibility justices until the cows come home...and since the gang of 14 made that asinine vow about "extraordinary circumstances" only Borks can be stopped--not Thomas or Alito or Roberts-types. It won't matter who holds Congress if another Justice retires. Already for the next 30 years we won't see progress on any issue from the Supreme Court.

I hope to God the remaining Justices stay healthy.


by amberglow on Sun Feb 19, 2006 at 11:12:27 PM EST

not quite (none / 0)

None of the Dems in the gang of 14 serves on the Judiciary Committee, to my knowledge. We could defeat a Bush nominee on a party-line vote at the committee level, never letting him get to a full Senate vote, IF DEMS HAD A SENATE MAJORITY.


John McCain: 100 years in Iraq "would be fine with me."
by desmoinesdem on Sun Feb 19, 2006 at 11:22:27 PM EST
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there's no way (none / 0)

 that any Senator on or off the Judiciary Committee will stop every single person Bush nominates from coming to a vote for 2 years--no way at all. Their own previous votes for people like Scalia, Thomas and Roberts will be brought up continually, and it will hurt the 2008 candidates as well. There would be defectors immediately, just as there are now. Where would this injection of resolve and spine come from?


by amberglow on Sun Feb 19, 2006 at 11:27:37 PM EST
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Exactly amberglow (none / 0)

Where would this injection of resolve and spine come from?

All of the predictions about an emboldened Democratic Party ring very hallow. There were at least a half dozen votes that the Democrats could have stepped up to the plate and demonstrated a little spinal fortitude. They could do it right now on warrentless wiretapping.

How is Bob Casey going to make the Democratic Party any less spineless? I don't see it. If anything Bob Casey just firms up Bush's support in the Democratic Party. Another DINO Bush can split off on any number of votes.


by Gary Boatwright on Mon Feb 20, 2006 at 11:04:32 AM EST
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Re: not quite (none / 0)

Exactly.  Orrin Hatch single-handedly derailed Clinton's choices and told him he liked Ginsburg.  The Dems could run out the clock for two years on an ultra-con pick if they had the MAJORITY.  Because, as luck would have it, the Senate Dem Jud members are all liberals about would vote party line to stop them.

Btw, Kennedy would go nuclear if another Justice retired and ALL the progressive stuff he accomplished for forty years was placed at risk because of a potential reinterpretation of the Commerce Clause.  He is on the committee and if things get that bad, it'll be balls out.  Besides, the trial lawyers and ALL of the D special interest groups would DEMAND it.  So would Hillary.  Seriously, a reinterpretation of the CC would threaten ANYTHING that any future prez or congress would want to get through the national legislature.


McCain is defining Obama, and Obama is neither defining himself, nor McCain. This is awful.
by jgarcia on Mon Feb 20, 2006 at 01:35:05 PM EST
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Re: The Stakes This Year (none / 0)

You are right on. The namecalling begins whenever a progressive individual advocates a realistic, practical approach. Eat our own for the crime of compromise. This is the logic of those who voted for Nader in 2000. See what that got us?

We need to win. Nothing will happen until we reclaim Congress. Fight dirty just like the Republicans if that's what it takes.


by DSKinMD on Sun Feb 19, 2006 at 11:12:56 PM EST

Democrats know how to fight dirty (none / 0)

fight dirty just like the Republicans if that's what it takes.

The Democratic Party is already very good at fighting dirty against progressives. Which proves they know how to fight dirty, they just prefer playing nice with Republicans and saving their heavy ammo for Howard Dean and progressive Democrats.


by Gary Boatwright on Mon Feb 20, 2006 at 03:24:08 AM EST
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Re: The Stakes This Year (3.00 / 1)

Without Bob Casey and other moderate or conservative red state Dems

Other moderate or conservative red state Dems are not the issue. That's a cheap dodge Scott. Bob Casey is the only issue. Each voter must decide if Bob Casey deserves their vote on his own merits. If Casey cannot earn votes on his own merits, he does not deserve to serve in the Senate.

Arlen Specter could have yet another opportunity to prove that he can cave to the Bush administration when push comes to shove.

When Santorum wins it will be entirely on Rendell and Schumer. Blame them, not Specter or progressives who are sick and tired of brokered primaries. You can't blame Specter for Bush's nominees sailing through Congress. The Dems did a fine job of caving all on their own. If you want to blame the responsible party, blame Harry Reid. Do you have any rational basis for assuming the Dems won't cave on Bush's next nominee, if he gets one?

All of the evidence leads to the conclusion that the Dems will cave with or without Casey.


by Gary Boatwright on Sun Feb 19, 2006 at 11:16:28 PM EST

Re: The Stakes This Year (none / 0)

You are so focused on Bob Casey you contiually miss the forest for the trees from my diary to this one.  PA is one of many races we must win this year to gain a Senate majority.  A Democratic Senate means Majority Leader Harry Reid, Judiciary Chair Pat Leahy, HELP Committee Chair Ted Kenndey.  It means control of the process and the debate.  This is the big picture.  Casey or whomever in PA is the small picture.

THE COMMON ENEMY IS AND REMAINS THE REPUBLICANS.  AND THE POTENTIAL RETIREMENT OF JOHN PAUL STEVENS SHOWS HOW HIGH THE STAKES ARE THIS YEAR ON SO MANY FRONTS.  (And yes, I am shouting!).


by John Mills on Sun Feb 19, 2006 at 11:27:53 PM EST
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The common enemy is the DLC (1.00 / 1)

And the DSCC and the DCCC. Bob Casey is just a symptom of the ideological corruption that has infected the Democratic Party.

Why would I want Harry Reid to be majority leader? Harry Reid is so ineffective he might as well be a Republican. Bush could not have been any more successful the past six years if Harry Reid actually was a Republican.

Try to use the boogyman of a Stevens retirement to prop up DLC losers is so lame.

No need to apologize for shouting. It merely serves to highlight how incredibly ignorant your lame arguments are.


by Gary Boatwright on Mon Feb 20, 2006 at 03:28:37 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: The common enemy is the DLC (3.00 / 1)

Gary, I've never known you to be such a total tool of the Bush administration.  Expect a seat on the aisle and a big wet kiss from GWB next year - or at least a photo on his wall of honor right next to Ralph Nader.


BlueNC - Progressive NC Politics
by Robert P on Mon Feb 20, 2006 at 06:51:10 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: The common enemy is the DLC (none / 0)

Bob Casey will be the one getting big warm smackers from Bush, not me.


by Gary Boatwright on Mon Feb 20, 2006 at 11:05:41 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: The common enemy is the DLC (none / 0)

I have a feeling that if  Democrats control the Senate and are having hearings day after day on scandal after scandal - Bush won't be smackering any Democrats.

Of course, I'm sure Santorum will support hearings.


BlueNC - Progressive NC Politics
by Robert P on Mon Feb 20, 2006 at 11:08:03 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: The common enemy is the DLC (none / 0)

Umm, there was that little thing in the Senate authorizing Dubya to go with his expeditionary force into Irak and occupy the place.

That was in 2002.

Who ran the Senate? That's right, the Dems.

Who voted for the resolution?

Feinstein - Yes. Dodd - Yes. Lieberman - Yes. Biden - Yes. Bayh - Yes. Harkin - Yes. Kerry - Yes. Reid - Yes. Clinton - Yes. Schumer - Yes. Edwards - Yes. Daschle - Yes.

Kinda a who's who of your party's leadership, and also in many ways a who's who of who's running for President in '08.

And also a Who's who of the Dem establishment, their bagmen and their congressional leadership, their movers and shakers.

So who exactly is Dubya's tool?

You fools, that's who.


by redstar66 on Mon Feb 20, 2006 at 12:06:19 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Ahh he his back (none / 0)

kvetching and whining, and standing on ceremony/  all to his own detriment - if it is indeed true that he is really a progrssive.  Gary, I notice you still never answered Bowers' question from his diary about being a progressive.  Telling.


by kelvinchapman on Mon Feb 20, 2006 at 09:37:21 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Ahh he his back (none / 0)

I don't have a clue what you're talking about, do you?

Do you think you want to match credentials with me pal? I went to Arlington West yesterday and sat on the beach with my BUCK FUSH sign so everyone on the pier could see it. Two young ladies came up and asked to take my photograph. On my way to the Arlington West Memorial I received all kinds of "Right On"s from total strangers who liked my sign.

What have you done in the last thirty days to fight back against GOP fascism?


by Gary Boatwright on Mon Feb 20, 2006 at 11:09:34 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: The common enemy is the DLC (none / 0)

Gary - No one ever seems to meet your criteria which was the point of my questions the other day.  Who is ideologically pure enough for you?

You obviously believe Ralph Nader's 2000 argument that there was no difference between Gore and Bush.  I never bought it at the time and it is pretty obvious the past 6 years have proven it wrong.  Would Al Gore have started a war in Iraq?  Would Al Gore have run up ridiculous deficits to give tax cuts to the mega rich?  Would AL Gore have ignored Katrina victims for days on end?  Would Al Gore have proposed privatizing Social Security?

I hope you enjoy your jihad against "unpure" Democrats.

I am going to continue my efforts to defeat the real enemy, the Republicans.


by John Mills on Mon Feb 20, 2006 at 10:58:48 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Al Gore? (none / 0)

It's interesting how everyone keeps bringing up other Democrats, instead of defending a vote for Bob Casey. Are you trying to suggest that Al Gore and Bob Casey are in the same ideological camp?

Hey! How about Charlie Rangel? What about Barbara Boxer? Are they pure enough for you Gary?

Do you have any other strawman arguments you would like to try on for size? They seem to be a perfect fit.


by Gary Boatwright on Mon Feb 20, 2006 at 11:12:56 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Al Gore? (none / 0)

I live in NYC and like Charlie Rangel although it is ironic you like him.  He is the ultimate machine political boss you hate.    

I really don't know enough about Bob Casey's stance on every issue to know how he stacked up against Al Gore's 2000 positions.  What I do know is ANY DEMOCRAT is better than the extreme right wing Rick Santorum and that DEMOCRATIC control of the Senate is better than Republican control.

After the last 6 years, I am not willing to fall on an ideological sword to make a point.  Clearly you are.


by John Mills on Mon Feb 20, 2006 at 11:26:44 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Al Gore? (3.00 / 1)

If you had a choice between a 19th century social-conservative ideologue and a 15th century social-conservative ideologue, which would you choose?

I know which one I'd choose.

Yup, that's right. Neither.

Voting only encourages 'em.


by redstar66 on Mon Feb 20, 2006 at 12:09:19 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Al Gore? (none / 0)

One other thought.  I know Al Gore is the new darling of the blogosphere but in 2000 he ran towards the center which is why Ralph Nader was able to say what he said.  The point is and remains would you rather have a Dem who is good on 80% of the issues or George Bush and his clones who are good on none.  It is not a perfect choice but a real one that many of us are being forced to make in PA, Missouri, Florida, Nebraska, etc.  The damage the Repubs have done in the last 6 years must be stopped and the only way to do it is to win or both houses of Congress so I will support the Democratic nominees in those states whomever they may be.


by John Mills on Mon Feb 20, 2006 at 04:54:09 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Al Gore? (none / 0)

This is where I get off the trolley.  I don't think that any Dem is better than six more years of Santorum.  It would be bad, sure, but it would keep the Republicans in the GOP, where they belong.  


by eRobin on Tue Feb 21, 2006 at 02:12:11 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: The Stakes This Year (3.00 / 0)

Another great post following up on Chris's yesterday.  We must keep our eyes on the prize A DEMOCRATIC CONGRESS.  This will allow us to control the process for both legislation and judicial nominations.  It is the only chance we have to stop the extreme right wing agenda.  


by John Mills on Sun Feb 19, 2006 at 11:17:32 PM EST

Re: The Stakes This Year (3.00 / 0)

It's the lower courts where Bush has already had enormous impact--even this past week he named 2 more judges.

...Judges appointed by President George W. Bush are the most conservative on record when it comes to civil rights and liberties, according to a new study by a political science professor at the University of Houston.
Bush judicial appointees are significantly more conservative than even the very conservative voting record of jurists appointed by Presidents Ronald Reagan and Bush Sr. in the realm of civil rights and liberties, said Robert Carp, professor of political science at UH. When it comes to these decisions, the Bush team is a full 5 percentage points more conservative than even the trial judges appointed by Presidents Reagan and Bush Sr.
...


by amberglow on Sun Feb 19, 2006 at 11:18:50 PM EST

I doubt Stevens retires, but . . . (3.00 / 0)

He is 85 years old and has surpassed the average life span for American men by 8 or 10 years.  I doubt he will retire, but I also doubt he'll live out Bush's term.

I think when Nov. 7 rolls around, we're all going to vote Democratic.  There's little to worry about there.

What's worrying, I think, is that the party is giving us the cold shoulder.  It seems to have slipped into the old style of thought and politics that got it booted out of control in the first place.

There are so many good ideas out there, and not just ideas, but visions, of what this country is--of what this country can be--that it would be not just stupid but shameful for Democrats to not draw on the progressive wing.  

It is a sad GOP talking point that Democrats don't have any ideas.  Sometimes, as a progressive Democrat, I certainly feel that way.

It'd be nice if the Party would throw us a bone at least.


by Reece on Sun Feb 19, 2006 at 11:25:09 PM EST

Re: I doubt Stevens retires, but . . . (none / 0)

Do you have some negative information about Stevens' health, are you just making assumptions from his age? There are vast differences between 85-year-olds, and the average life expectancy of a 85-year-old American male is about 5.2 years. If he's in good health, there's a good chance he could make it through Bush's term. Hell, if he's in average health, it looks like his chance of living 3 more years would be in the neighborhood of 65%.


DC Drinking LiberallyDC for Democracy

by KCinDC on Mon Feb 20, 2006 at 10:56:00 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: I doubt Stevens retires, but . . . (none / 0)

They're most likely talking out of their asses.

This is just a trial run of a DLC meme we'll see with greater frequency as the election approaches. "The sky is falling, vote for our brand...er...party, or the Supreme Court will bring us back to the 18th century which, incidentally, we've done nothing in the past two decades to prevent!"

It's worked in the past, and judging from many of the posts we read here on this thread, it'll continue to work.


by redstar66 on Mon Feb 20, 2006 at 11:03:47 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Only One Problem Here (3.00 / 3)

I completely understand the "vote for a Dem you don't like in order to promote the party" theory of voting.  I have even advocated it.  But the only problem with that approach is that, in the last twenty years or so, it hasn't resulted in Democratic Party victories.

On the contrary, it has helped to promote the image of the Democratic Party as a collection of unprincipled politicians who stand for nothing in particular and who will do anything to get elected.

This helps the Republicans win in two ways.  The bad image is backed up by the facts and a significant portion of the electorate that might vote Democratic remains disaffected.

Why not try it the other way for a while and see what happens?


by James Earl on Mon Feb 20, 2006 at 01:04:34 AM EST

Re: The Stakes This Year (3.00 / 3)

Since Casey and others have supported Alito- what gives you cause to believe things will change if he does retire?


by bruh21 on Mon Feb 20, 2006 at 01:31:19 AM EST

Re: The Stakes This Year (none / 0)

If Democrats have control of the Senate, then things like the blue-slip could be brought back and you can be sure Kennedy would pull it.  Locked up nominations are a time-honored Republican ploy.  Folks who consider themselves moderate can protect their status.  Of course, I think Democrats should ALL be progressive, but I'll settle for a few conservatives if we get control of the Senate.


BlueNC - Progressive NC Politics
by Robert P on Mon Feb 20, 2006 at 06:37:23 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: The Stakes This Year (3.00 / 1)

We aren't going to gain control of the Senate- that's my prediction first off based on just the math. Second, even if we did- based on the Clinton era judicial situation and on the reality of what we would be winning by - we would still be beholden to the convervatives blocking our action because unlike what the Republicans have now- we wouldn't have a governable majority. What this is versus just a majority- is where you can effectively legislate without being tied to the most liberal (in the case of Republicans) or conservative (in the case of the Republicans) elements of your party for every vote. there are some issues of which sometimes the extremes are right (on both the left and right) and there are some of which the middle makes sense. You want to be able to make those decisions- one of which is the need for healthcare reform- tweaking at the edges to me is crazy with healh costs increasing by what 10 percent per year


by bruh21 on Mon Feb 20, 2006 at 11:13:12 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: The Stakes This Year (none / 0)

Given this diary and similar diaries we've seen around here lately, it looks like the party faithful are a little nervous about the shitty job that the Democratic party establishment has been doing.  Don't worry, I'd say.  The number of Democratic grassroots members that will not vote for the Dem in the general election because of the lackluster performance of the party leadership, I'm sure, will turn out to be insignificantly small.  

Frankly, I find this post and other similar posts condescending; I mean, the overwhelming majority of people that visit political blogs understand the stakes, the dynamics, the pros and cons, and the nuances of our political landscape.  I'd say that the energy would be better spent devising concrete strategies that energize the base, rather than merely attempting to underline the oh so obvious stakes that are apparent.  


Vox Mia -- Adding My Voice to the Chorus
by bedobe on Mon Feb 20, 2006 at 02:15:15 AM EST

Spare us. (3.00 / 5)

Spare us that same old lame canard..please? According to corrupt party hacks and their media minions, every election is the most desperate one ever.

Instead of foisting party machine candidates upon Democrats and then saying the sky will fall if people don't fall in line, how about LETTING THE PEOPLE CHOOSE THEIR CANDIDATES FOR THE FALL ELECTIONS WITHOUT MANIPULATION??? Now there's a concept to ensure victory!

As for the USSC, a solid Democratic Senate approved both Scalia and Thomas back in the 80's (Joe Biden chaired the Judiciary Comm. which let them pass). So anyone who thinks this weak livered lot of current Democratic leaders (who were serial capitulators to BushCo when they had the majority from 2001 to 2003) will do any differently needs to stop drinkng kool-aid and switch to strong black coffee.

I'm not advocating that anyone not support or vote Democratic -- just asking that our intelligence not be insulted with the same old garbage-in-garbage-out every election cycle. And instead of regurgitating the party line......NEVER STOP DEMANDING REFORM.


With Democrats Lieberman goes for the jugular. With Republicans he goes for the lips.
by Sitkah on Mon Feb 20, 2006 at 03:03:55 AM EST

Re: Spare us. (3.00 / 2)

Dems didn't control the Senate at all in 2002 or 2003, and only had it for 6 months in 2001.


by Reece on Mon Feb 20, 2006 at 09:41:33 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Spare us. (none / 0)

You sure about that? 'Cuz I remember it differently, something about Jim Jeffords switching parties, Dems getting the Senate late summer '01, 911, Dubya politicizing 911 and the Dems getting all limp and authorizing the war he wanted in IRak for him.

Memory serves, the Senate Dems gave him his war in October 2002, and Tom Daschle was Sen Maj Leader.

It may not have looked like the Dems were in charge of the Senate in 2002, but they were. Of course, that sort of explains what some of us are kvetching about.


by redstar66 on Mon Feb 20, 2006 at 12:15:12 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Spare us. (3.00 / 1)

Those who don't even know their own party's sordid recent history are doomed to see it repeated. Will they be any more aware of it the next time? Probably not.


With Democrats Lieberman goes for the jugular. With Republicans he goes for the lips.
by Sitkah on Mon Feb 20, 2006 at 12:30:42 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Spare us. (none / 0)

Yeah, I'm sure of it.  I had reason to look it up a few days ago, before this post went up.  You can find all the historical divisions in the Senate at the following link

http://www.senate.gov/pagelayout/history /one_item_and_teasers/partydiv.htm


by Reece on Mon Feb 20, 2006 at 08:03:41 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Spare us. (none / 0)

Actually, I was wrong.  you can read the link yourself, but mea culpa.  


by Reece on Mon Feb 20, 2006 at 08:04:44 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Spare us. (none / 0)

dude, those were different times when we had the votes on the SCOTUS to spare.  In the 80s we had a BIG majority of justices for our interpretation of the commerce clause and of civil rights and choice.  we could have spared scalia and rehnquist.

now it's different when are majoirty is indeed in perile.


McCain is defining Obama, and Obama is neither defining himself, nor McCain. This is awful.
by jgarcia on Mon Feb 20, 2006 at 01:42:30 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: The Stakes This Year (3.00 / 0)

"Ya know....some times things have to get worse before they get better."

Wow, it didn't take long for Nader 2000 redux to kick in?

How widespread is this phenomenon? I'm not always happy about the candidate my party nominates but I still go out and vote for them. Heck I even voed for Charlie Stenholm in 2004 because I knew the alternative was way worse.

It seems like many in the progressive 'netroots' take the idea that instead of a few bad apples like Lieberman & Nelson, the Democrats are full of mostly evil minions with only a handful of people worth supporting; and if the candidate they prefer doesen't triumph in any given primary than it's "screw you guys I'm going home."

Under such circumstances, It might be wise to reconsider just what faction is really hurting the National party.


by Epitome23 on Mon Feb 20, 2006 at 03:25:53 AM EST

Re: The Stakes This Year (none / 0)

It might be wise to reconsider just what faction is really hurting the National party.

That would be the DLC faction that is rigging primaries, voting for Alito and Roberts, helping pass bankruptcy legislation and CAFTA while ignoring Abu Ghraib, illegal wiretapping and all of the rest of the Bush scandals.


by Gary Boatwright on Mon Feb 20, 2006 at 03:33:04 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: The Stakes This Year (none / 0)

I can't believe anyone is even talking about staying home seriously.  I think they must all be conservative plants trying to warp the minds of impressionable young voters.  Who in their right fricking mind would stay home after what we've seen the last five years?  Only an idiot would willingly cast a vote for a republican by failing to vote against them.

Only a true and functional idiot could fail to convince themselves that they were voting against Santorum.  Or, a Neocon plant, sent here to manipulate anger over a lost primary.  I've done the same thing at RedState, telling people I was going to vote Constitution Party because I was so sick of the Republicans being weak.  Lots of people would jump into the pool - there are always followers.


BlueNC - Progressive NC Politics
by Robert P on Mon Feb 20, 2006 at 06:34:41 AM EST

Re: The Stakes This Year (3.00 / 1)

They'll get my vote, but the bastids will never my money unless they have a progressive agenda.

And a spine.


by rodean on Mon Feb 20, 2006 at 06:51:00 AM EST

Re: The Stakes This Year (none / 0)

ahh! Never GET my money.


by rodean on Mon Feb 20, 2006 at 06:51:49 AM EST

Re: The Stakes This Year (none / 0)

Each election, you have a choice between two candidates.  In Pennsylvania you can choose between Rick "Man on Dog" Santorum, or a Democrat.

I honestly can't believe that any of you even have to think about that decision.


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by Illustrious on Mon Feb 20, 2006 at 07:10:53 AM EST

False Dichotomy (none / 0)

There sure are a lot of logical fallacies being used to defend Casey.

Wait a minute! Maybe it's a choice between Blue Cheese and Thousand Island Dressing. No. That's not it. I've got it! It's a choice between Rick Santorum Spam I Am and Bob Casey Green Bologna With Moldy Cheese.

No. That's not it. Wait a minute .  .  .  it's coming to me .  .  .  Hey! I know! It's a choice between a Republican anti-abortion, pro-war, pro-warrantless wiretapping, Bush Suck Up and a Democratic anti-abortion, pro-war, pro-warrantless wiretapping, Bush Suck.

Now how could anyone have a problem with that?


by Gary Boatwright on Mon Feb 20, 2006 at 11:18:47 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Great (3.00 / 0)

Vote for Casey in November if he wins (which he will) the primary.  We cannot let Rick Santorum get another 6 years because liberal activists stayed home in November.  It it too important to get this crazed wingnut out of there.


Max Friedman
by Max Friedman on Mon Feb 20, 2006 at 08:18:16 AM EST

Re: Great (none / 0)

I like the fact that Santorum is crazy.  He makes the republicans look bad, and I know to be alarmed by him. Casey supports the same right wing causes only he doesn't crazy so progressives won't fight him.  Casey is actually better at passing the right wing agenda because he doesn't look crazy.


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by Dameocrat on Mon Feb 20, 2006 at 03:33:49 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Great (none / 0)

Hear, hear.


by eRobin on Tue Feb 21, 2006 at 02:14:35 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Casey bashers (none / 0)

Over the past couple of days I've read plenty of comments about Bob Casey not being any different from Rick Santorum. One issue that's frequently cited is Casey's opposition to gay marriage, but yesterday Casey addressed HRC and while he does oppose gay marriage, he opposes discrimination and supports civil unions and legal protections for same sex couples.

http://www.mcall.com/news/nationworld/st ate/all-a20_caseyfeb19,0,7077110.story

Ultimately public opinion will shift on gay marriage, but right now it hasn't. Taking steps,
which Casey's position does, that move toward that
ultimate acceptance is good.


by phillydem on Mon Feb 20, 2006 at 09:27:21 AM EST

Re: Casey bashers (none / 0)

good to know that-thx for actual  info without spin


by bruh21 on Mon Feb 20, 2006 at 11:15:25 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Casey Sawdust Filler (3.00 / 1)

Gay rights, minimum wage, the environment and Social Security are all issues that will never come up for a vote. Every single issue that Bob Casey is supposedly "good" on are throw away issues that a single vote will never make a difference on.

The issues that Bob Casey is Republican leaning are abortion, the Iraq war, future Bush judicial picks, The Patriot Act and warrantless wiretapping are issues that Casey will help make Bush look bi-partisan on.


by Gary Boatwright on Mon Feb 20, 2006 at 11:22:14 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Really? (none / 0)

Ted Kennedy tacks a minimum wage raise on several "must pass" bills every year.

I seem to recall votes on drilling in ANWAR, clear-cutting in national forests and other issues
coming up for votes in over the last year or so.

I believe Bush's plan to privatize social security
was supposed to be voted on, but never was, IIRC.

But I guess it's just easier for you make things up out of whole cloth.

BTW, if you want to know how Casey's support in Pennsylvania breaks down, both the Keystone Poll and Quinnipiac poll internals show that.


by phillydem on Mon Feb 20, 2006 at 01:04:06 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Casey bashers (none / 0)

Interesting what he says in front of the HRC for votes and what he says to the Catholics for votes.  In the 2004 PA Catholic Conference questionnaire, Question 8:

What is your position on legislation allowing homosexual couples to adopt children?
Casey: Oppose

His stance on the issue of the right of gay couples to adopt is shakey at best.  What'll he tell the Catholics when he meets with them?


--
Albert Yee
Philadelphia, PA
http://dragonballyee.com/blog
by Albert on Mon Feb 20, 2006 at 12:50:43 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Casey bashers (none / 0)

HRC was quoted in the Morning Call story as saying "Bob Casey has EARNED our endorsement" by working hard for many years (read not a politically convenient stand) to end discrimination.

But, hey, in your eyes Bob Casey is evil incarnate.
You would find an excuse to oppose Casey regardless
of what he says or what he does. So be it. Work your socks off for whoever your candidate is.


by phillydem on Mon Feb 20, 2006 at 12:57:08 PM EST
[ Parent ]

So Much for Convictions (none / 0)

He's all things to all people.  Read this post that shines some light on the strength of his convictions:

Casey told the gay civil-rights group Human Rights Campaign that he opposes the anti-GLBT Federal Marriage Amendment and believes the sexual orientation of prospective adoptive parents should not matter. All good. But when he answered a 2005 Pennsylvania Catholic Conference questionnaire, he was asked these questions:

"What is your position on government requiring that benefits be provided to same-sex couples?"

"What is your position on legislation allowing homosexual couples to adopt children?"

In both instances, his answer was "Oppose."

Lancaster County Action reports that on another questionnaire that asked his opinion on same-gender marriage, Casey stated his opposition.

Casey not only says that he is opposed to legal equality for many of those he wants to call constituents, he apparently is craven and calculating enough to say whatever he thinks a particular audience wants to hear.

Pennacchio has never backed off on equal rights and he never will.


by eRobin on Tue Feb 21, 2006 at 02:17:41 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: The Stakes This Year (3.00 / 1)

It would be far easier to pick off DINOs in primaries if the Democrats were operating from a majority position.  

Since serious primary challenges involve the risk that both candidates will be exhausted, or the public will get turned off both if the fight gets dirty, leaving the republican a chance at a pickup, these risks would be easier to stomach in 2008 with a democratic majority in at least one house.

Of course in cases where neither Dem is well known, primary fights can serve to increase name recognition and actually help the eventual primary winner crush his republican opponent.  After all, no ad is truly wasted.

Also, picking off a few of the worst would bring the other DINOs in line if they actually began to respect and fear the progressive netroots.  We shouldn't care much if Lieberman keeps his seat, so long as he votes progressively.  Sure, some of us would like to punish him personally for his betrayals of the party and our ideals, but in this game we have no room for mere spite.  Kick him out if that's what it takes, but if we can bring him in line in other ways, that's fine too.

All that said, holding your nose to vote for a conservative dem who will win a seat over a progressive who will lose (ie in deep red states) is the best option for progressive policies.  Speaker Pelosi and Majority Leader Reid can do a lot of progressive good (starting with subpoena power investigations of the growing list of covered over scandals).  Minority leaders Pelosi and Reid with 1 extra progressive vote won't really make a lot of difference.

Forget investigating the christmas card list, or the president's cat, we have real meaty scandals to attack, just waiting below the surface of the bog of the Bush administration.


by scientician on Mon Feb 20, 2006 at 10:22:43 AM EST

PA (none / 0)

Also remember PA is represented by 2 Republican senators.  For a "blue" state, this isn't a resounding call for a progressive to kick ass and take names.

This isn't Rhode Island, or even New York.  The Republicans work for Chafee and Snowe when push comes to shove, though I'm sure they'd rather have blood-sucking conservatives in their places.  


by scientician on Mon Feb 20, 2006 at 10:25:24 AM EST

Re: The Stakes This Year (none / 0)

There is an utter incoherence to the complaints that I'm seeing on this blog and in this thread.

Take the case of the Ohio Senate race.  Brown is an elected Democratic representative, a progressive, and a former elected statewide official.  He's running even or ahead of an incumbent GOP senator, and was running well ahead of a primary challenger.

Brown is, depending on the poster, bad because the evil right wing of the national party favored him.  Or he is bad because he's a progressive, therefore we should have gotten a more conservative statewide candidate.  Oh, but wait - the democratic party is bad because they insist on center/right candidates!  Wait, no - he's bad because he's actually won elections, and is compromised because he must have sold out.
This isn't principle - it's crybaby petulance.
A decent man - Hackett - pulled out of his race, and the sky is falling.

I also see people advocating sitting on our hands.  Even better - make sure the GOP wins.
The best course of action is adopt a Leninist course and heighten the contradictions - it worked GREAT for Nader supporters!  The revolution will be any day now!

Cut me a break.  If we want progressives in office, we support them.  Either you agree with a candidate like Brown or you don't.  I have no patience with people whose entire online contribution is an appeal to a completely discredited Naderite approach; people who simultaneously claim that democrats