Google Bomb 10/30 - Progress Report and Ruminations

Absolutely fantastic. Lucas has been a main driving force in putting this together, and he deserves mad props for his work--Chris

I took the weekend off from all things blog and online and now I'm back.  I'll have a full update of the Googlebomb project at the very end, but before I get to that, I want to add ruminations about the legitimacy and value of this sort of project, several thoughts on why it isn't working as well as it could be, and a few thoughts that will hopefully get the creative thinker in you juiced up to provide some creative solutions going forward.  So without further ado:

Part I - The Rant

(note: I speak only for myself here, not for the project or its organizers)

Over the past week- since starting this project- there have been many people questioning the efficacy, morality, and general point of this effort.  Some have been genuine, some have just been right wing shills trying to stir up trouble, and some others were well meaning but failed to actually comprehend what was going on or think through what they were complaining about.  I sympathize, obviously, with some of these people more than with others, but all have raised points which should probably be clearly addressed.

The Google Bomb Project grows out of two fundamental beliefs. First, that the media is currently underserving the general public through a combination of apathy, incompetence, and overt right-wing leanings.  Second, that voters (and by extention the country) would be better served by a complete understanding of the choice before them.  The project presumes that an impartial but impassioned presentation of the facts is difficult, if not impossible, to come by if this current atmosphere is left to its own devices.

To this end, thousands of people across the country have joined together in order to raise several specific issues of importance to the upcoming election.  These issues have all been reported by mainstream, impartial news sources, and if enough people are concerned about these issues to mount an effective Google Bomb, then, quite frankly, they are issues worth discussion in the national discourse.  This is no keyword gerrymander, this is a discussion of issues, predicated on faith in an open discourse to produce an improved group of representatives in DC.

Fighting back is not inherently the same as fighting dirty.  This is the system in which we've been forced to operate for the time being.  It's been constructed to restrict the free flow of information and issues, and we aren't cheating because we find a way to work within the constraints.  Believe me, it would be much better if there was no need for a Google Bomb.  I don't want to do it, I don't think many other people want to do it.  It's a huge pain in the ass.  If these legitimate and relevant issues were already being discussed in a press which was more concerned with facts than giving equal time to opposing opinions, this wouldn't be necessary and I'd sit back and watch.  But reporting, by and large, is nothing more than "he said she said" at this point, and that doesn't serve the public interest.  It tells people who they might be more inclined to agree with, but it rarely tells people who is actually right.  It gives people the option of believing reality or not, because it doesn't clearly demarcate where the line between reality and spin lies.  Until the collective media is ready to be an arbiter of truth rather than just a referee in the battle to avoid the truth, it is incumbent upon concerned citizens to throw as many facts out there as possible in the hopes that it might tip the balance a bit closer to center.

So please CNN.  Please New York Times.  Please San Diego Union-Tribune.  Please whomever.  I don't want this job.  Take it back.

Part II - The Lessons

In the meantime, we've gotta do this, so let's look at what's good and what isn't.  My results below are mindblowing.  So much so that I don't really trust them, but I'm not sure what would be causing them to be inaccurate.  36(!) of the articles appear on the front page. 16 don't seem to be catching on.  The following issues have been raised in the past week of tracking.

Many news outlets don't keep stories hanging around for too long.  We've seen this with Roskam.  We've seen it now with Hastert.  Identifying sites with long memories would be in our interest, but failing that, we need to be prepared to switch articles in midstream or just cut people out entirely.

Beware famous names.  Peter King and Charles Taylor in particular are stymied by SI writers, murderous dictators and the like.  This sort of thing makes clear that our pool of articles should be restricted to those who come up naturally in a google search.

Ensure the name is in the title if at all possible.  These results seem to prove that it's very possible to overcome this handicap.  However, if we get it to the top and then people gloss over it because the headline is just "Gazette", it doesn't do us a whole lot of good.  We want to attract people's interest once we get to the top.  Plus, the name seems to help articles move to the top.

Be conscious of our national bias.  I've been told that some of these articles (which might get most of us hot and bothered) are not particularly big issues locally.  Now, I don't know if it's because people locally legitimately don't care, or because people locally haven't been informed to a degree that would get them agitated.  But it should be a consideration.

Part III - The Future

If we want to pursue this for 2008, we need to find a way to expand the field, start earlier, and integrate more deeply into local blogs.  Taking each of these one at a time-

Expanding the field isn't particularly difficult, particularly if we get local blogs on the case early in the cycle.  It's going to be a nearly impossible task if we try to go after 500 Republican candidates, but the research is left to a handful of people.  The local blogs know the local issues, know the local papers.  They know what issues are a big deal, they know what local sources are respected.  We need this stuff to be fed "up the ladder."  That said, it's still a huge task to compile all that information, and it gets more than a little unweildy if we try to get people to run hundreds of hyperlinks leading up to the election.  Which is why...

We need a slow burn.  It would be great to have articles starting early on, as early as January of '08 potentially, with the focus being on local blogs to include the link everytime they mention the candidate.  As links die or storylines change, we can change the link, which ensures a constant stream of counterbalance stories in the forefront at Google (or so the idea goes).  Can still wait until just a couple of weeks before the election for the real "bombing," but getting people in the habit early is good.  If nothing else, it helps set the stage for the end of the election cycle.

Many people have been saying it for quite some time, so this isn't really news, but local blogs are the key to all of this.  These stories need to grow out of local blogs, they need to be fostered early on by early blogs, and by sheer force of volume, cooperation between local blogs is going to drive this sort of project.  Furthermore, it became clear during the initial article search for this project that some candidates simply fly under the radar in the press.  There are several who just don't get hit in the press AT ALL.  This is especially where we need great locals to step up into the gap.  Bowers said in the first place that great local blogs could take the place of an article if necessary, but you can clearly see that not a single blog made the list.  Why not?  Sites like Dailykos and MyDD are great, but should be just as much a point of coordination and idea-sharing for local blogs as they are a source for national-level news.  Think about it.  In your town, do people pay more attention to the local news or the nightly network news?  Do they read the local paper or import the New York Times?  It would be great to be able to go through well-written, locally credible blogs who are focused on specific races for a lot of reasons, not least of which being the capacity to catalog older stories that may no longer be accessible elsewhere online.  The network needs to keep growing to feed these sorts of efforts, so keep up the good fight, and we'll see you in 2008.

Part IV - The Actual Update

Please compare to the two previous Progress Reports from 10/26 and 10/28 (thanks aip).

And finally, here are my google results starting at 8:30am Pacific/11:30am Eastern:

--AZ-Sen: Jon Kyl is currently #6

--AZ-01: Rick Renzi wiki is currently #3

--AZ-05: J.D. Hayworth is currently #9

--CA-04: John Doolittle wiki is currently #2

--CA-11: Richard Pombo wiki is currently #3

--CA-50: Brian Bilbray is currently #4

--CO-04: Marilyn Musgrave is currently #8

--CO-05: Doug Lamborn is currently #5

--CO-07: Rick O'Donnell is currently #6

--CT-04: Christopher Shays is currently #9

--FL-13: Vernon Buchanan is currently #4

--FL-16: Joe Negron is currently not in the first 10 pages

--FL-22: Clay Shaw is currently #7

--ID-01: Bill Sali broken- requires registration

--IL-06: Peter Roskam broken- page no longer found.  But STILL #5 in Google- there's an exhibit of power for ya.

--IL-10: Mark Kirk is currently not in the first ten pages

--IL-14: Dennis Hastert broken- article unavailable.  But STILL #9 in Google- more power for ya.

--IN-02: Chris Chocola is currently #80

--IN-08: John Hostettler is currently #9

--IA-01: Mike Whalen is currently #29

--KS-02: Jim Ryun is currently #6

--KY-03: Anne Northup is currently #6

--KY-04: Geoff Davis is currently #25

--MD-Sen: Michael Steele is currently #7

--MN-01: Gil Gutknecht is currently #4

--MN-06: Michele Bachmann is currently #4

--MO-Sen: Jim Talent is currently #96 (MyDD is #'s 6 and 7)

--MT-Sen: Conrad Burns is currently #24

--NV-03: Jon Porter story is #3 with slightly different url

--NH-02: Charlie Bass is currently #4

--NJ-07: Mike Ferguson is currently #5

--NM-01: Heather Wilson is currently #8

--NY-03: Peter King is currently not in the first ten pages

--NY-20: John Sweeney is currently #6

--NY-26: Tom Reynolds is currently #10

--NY-29: Randy Kuhl wiki is currently #4

--NC-08: Robin Hayes is currently #12

--NC-11: Charles Taylor remains stuck behind disambiguation

--OH-01: Steve Chabot is currently not in the first ten pages

--OH-02: Jean Schmidt is currently #7

--OH-15: Deborah Pryce is currently #5

--OH-18: Joy Padgett is currently #6

--PA-04: Melissa Hart is currently #7

--PA-07: Curt Weldon is currently #5

--PA-08: Mike Fitzpatrick is currently #6

--PA-10: Don Sherwood is currently #5

--RI-Sen: Lincoln Chafee is currently not in the first ten pages

--TN-Sen: Bob Corker registration required, but article is currently #4

--VA-Sen: George Allen is currently #5

--VA-10: Frank Wolf is currently #4

--WA-Sen: Mike McGavick is currently #4

--WA-08: Dave Reichert is currently #5

These results seem too good to be true, but I don't know what to tell ya.  I logged out, cleared the history, restarted the comp first.  So I'll have to run with it I suppose- maybe I should just accept the good news right? Right.  In the meantime, when you find that you're getting worse results, report it, but make sure to find someplace to add to the bomb and help out.



Display:


Excellent work Lucas (none / 0)

I've done some spot checking with a cleared-out history, and everything you report appears to be accurate within 1, which is consistent with what I was reading about different Google servers uploading the new search results at different rates - meaning we'll all get potentially varying results.

This does appear to have been remarkably effective. In my ignorance of all things algorithmic, I expected that if we got into the front page of half of these it'd have been worth it. At least for now, we've done way better than that.

MyDD is a varitable hotbed of online activism - 2 major sucessful campaigns in the last few weeks is impressive.


Melissa Hart is gone - thank you Chris Bowers
by surfbird007 on Mon Oct 30, 2006 at 02:15:41 PM EST

Re: Google Bomb 10/30 - Progress Report and Rumina (3.00 / 1)

Lucas & Chris, thank you for all your dogged, determined & outstanding work. And of course it's working, Dems working together always produce great results and for the record, taking the high road is always more work, but the victories are that much sweeter. I wish you strength and thanks again.


by mainsailset on Mon Oct 30, 2006 at 03:31:24 PM EST

Re: Google Bomb 10/30 - Progress Report and Rumina (none / 0)

It would be interesting to find out whether there is any difference with single candidate google bomblets that people put in signatures ... the context of signatures ought to look far less like click-ad spamming to a search engine than the whole google bomb itself.


*John Edwards* ... and the JE08 Supporters Blog
by BruceMcF on Mon Oct 30, 2006 at 03:32:24 PM EST

Lazy Journalists (3.00 / 1)

This is important as we know a lot of MSM journalists just google shit and print whatever they come up with.  


Would you hire George W Bush to be YOUR latex salesman?
by jgkojak on Mon Oct 30, 2006 at 03:32:33 PM EST

Re: Lazy Journalists (none / 0)

Really good point.  Suggests the value of an ongoing project (between election cycles), perhaps focused on a few key issues; or, doing it regionally with regional issues.


by by foot on Mon Oct 30, 2006 at 05:04:51 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Good Job Guys (none / 0)

Is it too late to find more promising stories for the broken links and the stories that are bogged down for some reason?


by Preston on Mon Oct 30, 2006 at 03:33:13 PM EST

Re: Good Job Guys (none / 0)

This would be something for Chris to tackle because he's far more up on how easy or difficult it is to mobilize the blogosphere as a unit.  It seems as though, since it only took a couple days to swing, that it'd be possible, but I don't know if we could get the same kind of far-reaching participation via editing right now.


by Lucas O'Connor on Mon Oct 30, 2006 at 04:38:12 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Good Job Guys (none / 0)

Hmm, perhaps we try to highlight a different set of 50 web pages?  This time avoiding all wikipedia pages and broken links.

Given how quickly everything zoomed up, there's still time to affect things before Monday.


end the occupation of Iraq
by aip on Mon Oct 30, 2006 at 05:38:53 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Good Job Guys (none / 0)

Again, I'm up for it, but it isn't up to me. It's a Bowers thing.


by Lucas O'Connor on Mon Oct 30, 2006 at 05:39:43 PM EST
[ Parent ]

great idea and i'd like to contribute!! (none / 0)

awesome idea, put the internet to work for us passively.  Work smarter....


by Chavez100 on Mon Oct 30, 2006 at 04:54:14 PM EST

Re: Google Bomb 10/30 - Progress Report and Rumina (none / 0)

I asked Chris last week to change the dead link to a
Financial Times article about Peter Roskam (IL-06) that nobody in the Chicago burbs would give much credence to if they saw it anyway and was told it was too late, couldn't be done.

I'd be worried about it as the Repubs of course are retaliating but they seem to be targetting Youtubes  of commercials that are worthless.

When I google either Roskam or Duckworth I notice no difference except Duckworth's page has moved up.


by markg8 on Mon Oct 30, 2006 at 04:54:23 PM EST

Republican retaliation (3.00 / 1)

This is one area where we needn't fear them.  The Progressive netroots is orders of magnitude larger than the republicans.

Rarely does our huge size difference in internet activism matter concretely, but here it definitely does.  The sheer number of progressive blogs makes us stronger.


by scientician on Mon Oct 30, 2006 at 05:10:09 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Google Bomb 10/30 - Progress Report and Rumina (none / 0)

Quick clarification that really should have been in the original post but I goofed.

The Bill Sali article, while still requiring email, zip code, area code, password registration, is nevertheless #3 on the googlesearch, trailing only Bill Sali For Congress and leading the wiki.


by Lucas O'Connor on Mon Oct 30, 2006 at 05:07:14 PM EST

index (none / 0)

Big thanks to you guys for doing this thing.  

I've just added the Googlebomb code to the index of my own blog.  Does it really multiply the power of your Googlebombing if you index it rather than putting it on just one page?  Or does Google have some way of compensating for that?


by Neil the Ethical Werewolf on Mon Oct 30, 2006 at 05:10:34 PM EST

Re: index (3.00 / 1)

Check here and here for the assembled wisdom on this point.


by Lucas O'Connor on Mon Oct 30, 2006 at 05:26:16 PM EST
[ Parent ]

re: local blogs (3.00 / 2)

one thing I've seen in covering local blogs this year is that the GOP has a very well devleoped set of "local blogs".

Now, these GOP blogs are more like astro turf. And that's not what we're trying to build, and imo, the danger with googlebombing.

I guess my point would be that a local blog that covers a race or region consistently.

a) impacts the local news media every day
b) shows up in searches of all sorts
c) deserves support from blogs with good page rank

If Blogging 1.0 was national blogs that mimicked and supplanted the national cable news media and now compete with it...

then Blogging 2.0 is locally-focused citizen activist journalism that imitates the local paper and the town hall...and creates, nationwide, in locale after locale, a local habitation and a name for grassroots/netroots interaction.  (Which, let's face it...is not as possible on national blogs.  There is no subsitute for a stand alone local URL.)

1.0 Bloggers should imo be committed to developing, linking to and nurturing 2.0 Bloggers: that is the terrain where the grassroots and the netroots will fully meet up: on local blogs.

Lucas, you mention January 2008.  This project....Blogging 2.0...is already underway.  Its goals are largely the same as googlebombing...but the intfrastructure local blogs are building is much more desirable...as you indicate.


k/o: politics and local blogs
by kid oakland on Mon Oct 30, 2006 at 05:30:29 PM EST

Re: re: local blogs (none / 0)

In referencing January '08, I simply mean the Google-bombing aspect.  My focus was, perhaps myopically, on the '08 election rather than building the culture and general mentality at the local level.

My thinking relative to this sort of project is that it'll be January of '08 at the earliest before candidates start becoming clear.  We won't begin to know who's running for reelection, who's retiring, who's challenging, etc.

That certainly doesn't mean that local blogs should wait to start picking up tactics along these lines (in spirit if not necessarily in practice).  This sort of thing can start on November 8 and is just a wholesale shift in how conscious we are of our links and headlines and SEO efforts, and how wisely we weild the power that exists.


by Lucas O'Connor on Mon Oct 30, 2006 at 05:35:48 PM EST
[ Parent ]

kid oakland (none / 0)

has an interesting alternative over at his blog for future similar activism. building a thicker web of links between local and national blogs would have a similar effect, but less prey to shifts in algorithm.


by wu ming on Mon Oct 30, 2006 at 05:36:23 PM EST

Excellent Advice Re 2008 (3.00 / 1)

Maybe we can do even more.  Such as maintain archives of stories, keyed off of summaries of "the story so far."  What if we promote this as a common practice for all local blogs during the next election cycle?

We could make it so that people turn to local blogs as news portals.  Add in links to their campaign contributors via opensecrets, and their votes via progressive punch.

As Jello Biafra says, "Don't hate the media.  Be the media."


by Paul Rosenberg on Mon Oct 30, 2006 at 07:02:56 PM EST

Re: Excellent Advice Re 2008 (none / 0)

I was already cobbling together a form of this as a national database- candidates, fundraising info, voting record, one or two relevant articles.  I was conceiving of it as a source for blogs to draw off of more than a result of blog contribution, but it might be better as a more collaborative effort.


by Lucas O'Connor on Mon Oct 30, 2006 at 07:12:17 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Excellent Advice Re 2008 (none / 0)

As Jello Biafra says, "Don't hate the media.  Be the media."

Hey, cool, that was the original MyDD tag line.


by Jerome Armstrong on Mon Oct 30, 2006 at 07:46:05 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Google Bomb 10/30 (none / 0)

One thing to consider for those names that are tough because of competition from other famous names is to Google bomb more specific searches (Peter King congress, for example), and try to promote articles that way.  There would almost certainly be some spillover effect onto the simplier searches (i.e., try searching failure on Google), and we would probably have much more success promoting the article in the rankings for the specific search.

Alternatively, as you suggest, starting from an article that is already in the top 20 or so might be more productive than starting from scratch.

Mark this in lessons for next time, I guess.


by TimSackton on Mon Oct 30, 2006 at 08:11:39 PM EST

All I can say is (none / 0)

I want to tell you about some Republicans. If this violates the site policy, feel free to delete it. --AZ-Sen: Jon Kyl --AZ-01: Rick Renzi --AZ-05: J.D. Hayworth --CA-04: John Doolittle --CA-11: Richard Pombo --CA-50: Brian Bilbray --CO-04: Marilyn Musgrave --CO-05: Doug Lamborn --CO-07: Rick O'Donnell --CT-04: Christopher Shays --FL-13: Vernon Buchanan --FL-16: Joe Negron --FL-22: Clay Shaw --ID-01: Bill Sali --IL-06: Peter Roskam --IL-10: Mark Kirk --IL-14: Dennis Hastert --IN-02: Chris Chocola --IN-08: John Hostettler --IA-01: Mike Whalen --KS-02: Jim Ryun --KY-03: Anne Northup --KY-04: Geoff Davis --MD-Sen: Michael Steele --MN-01: Gil Gutknecht --MN-06: Michele Bachmann --MO-Sen: Jim Talent --MT-Sen: Conrad Burns --NV-03: Jon Porter --NH-02: Charlie Bass --NJ-07: Mike Ferguson --NM-01: Heather Wilson --NY-03: Peter King --NY-20: John Sweeney --NY-26: Tom Reynolds --NY-29: Randy Kuhl --NC-08: Robin Hayes --NC-11: Charles Taylor --OH-01: Steve Chabot --OH-02: Jean Schmidt --OH-15: Deborah Pryce --OH-18: Joy Padgett --PA-04: Melissa Hart --PA-07: Curt Weldon --PA-08: Mike Fitzpatrick --PA-10: Don Sherwood --RI-Sen: Lincoln Chafee --TN-Sen: Bob Corker --VA-Sen: George Allen --VA-10: Frank Wolf --WA-Sen: Mike McGavick --WA-08: Dave Reichert
by msobel on Mon Oct 30, 2006 at 08:51:39 PM EST

Re: Google Bomb 10/30 - Progress Report and Rumina (none / 0)

"Fighting back is not...the same as fighting dirty."

Thank you, Lucas!  I've been making calls for Darcy Burner's campaign (WA-08) and one very common statement I get from undecideds is "I can't stand all these negative ads.  I'm not going to vote for either of them."

I've been kind of stumped for a quick response that will allow me to keep the conversation going, and you just gave it to me!


by jexter on Mon Oct 30, 2006 at 10:04:01 PM EST

Google Bomb Search Tool (3.00 / 1)

Put together this tool below to make checking the the ranking of these links easier...It allows for you to link directly to the Google search for each candidate without needing to cut and paste each name into google each time... See what you think, if you like this and find it helpful, please recommend this comment:

Check the Google Results for --AZ-Sen: Jon Kyl 

Check the Google Results for --AZ-01: Rick Renzi

Check the Google Results for --AZ-05: J.D. Hayworth 

Check the Google Results for --CA-04: John Doolittle 

Check the Google Results for --CA-11: Richard Pombo 

Check the Google Results for --CA-50: Brian Bilbray 

Check the Google Results for --CO-04: Marilyn Musgrave 

Check the Google Results for --CO-05: Doug Lamborn

Check the Google Results for --CO-07: Rick O'Donnell 

Check the Google Results for --CT-04: Christopher Shays 

Check the Google Results for --FL-13: Vernon Buchanan 

Check the Google Results for --FL-16: Joe Negron 

Check the Google Results for --FL-22: Clay Shaw 

Check the Google Results for --ID-01: Bill Sali 

Check the Google Results for --IL-06: Peter Roskam

Check the Google Results for --IL-10: Mark Kirk 

Check the Google Results for --IL-14: Dennis Hastert 

Check the Google Results for --IN-02: Chris Chocola 

Check the Google Results for --IN-08: John Hostettler

Check the Google Results for --IA-01: Mike Whalen 

Check the Google Results for --KS-02: Jim Ryun 

Check the Google Results for --KY-03: Anne Northup

Check the Google Results for --KY-04: Geoff Davis 

Check the Google Results for --MD-Sen: Michael Steele 

Check the Google Results for --MN-01: Gil Gutknecht 

Check the Google Results for --MN-06: Michele Bachmann 

Check the Google Results for --MO-Sen: Jim Talent 

Check the Google Results for --MT-Sen: Conrad Burns 

Check the Google Results for --NV-03: Jon Porter 

Check the Google Results for --NH-02: Charlie Bass 

Check the Google Results for --NJ-07: Mike Ferguson 

Check the Google Results for --NM-01: Heather Wilson 

Check the Google Results for --NY-03: Peter King 

Check the Google Results for --NY-20: John Sweeney 

Check the Google Results for --NY-26: Tom Reynolds 

Check the Google Results for --NY-29: Randy Kuhl 

Check the Google Results for --NC-08: Robin Hayes 

Check the Google Results for --NC-11: Charles Taylor 

Check the Google Results for --OH-01: Steve Chabot 

Check the Google Results for --OH-02: Jean Schmidt 

Check the Google Results for --OH-15: Deborah Pryce 

Check the Google Results for --OH-18: Joy Padgett 

Check the Google Results for --PA-04: Melissa Hart 

Check the Google Results for --PA-07: Curt Weldon 

Check the Google Results for --PA-08: Mike Fitzpatrick 

Check the Google Results for --PA-10: Don Sherwood 

Check the Google Results for --RI-Sen: Lincoln Chafee 

Check the Google Results for --TN-Sen: Bob Corker

Check the Google Results for --VA-Sen: George Allen

Check the Google Results for --VA-10: Frank Wolf 

Check the Google Results for --WA-Sen: Mike McGavick 

Check the Google Results for --WA-08: Dave Reichert


by tchambers on Mon Oct 30, 2006 at 10:04:51 PM EST

This worked for me... (none / 0)

And showed Robin Hayes article at #4.


by The lurking ecologist on Wed Nov 01, 2006 at 09:43:04 AM EST
[ Parent ]

To paraphrase John Stewart on Crossfire (none / 0)

"So please CNN.  Please New York Times.  Please San Diego Union-Tribune.  Please whomever.  I don't want this job.  Take it back."

You can probably find the link on YouTube.


by The lurking ecologist on Wed Nov 01, 2006 at 09:44:22 AM EST

Re: Google Bomb 10/30 - Progress Report and Rumina (none / 0)

Thanks guys, you've done a great job. Will this be done in 2008 elections as well?


Catherine, Web Designer currently working on the anxiety herbs project.
by Catherine M on Sat Mar 01, 2008 at 03:54:17 AM EST


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