In Need of Further Edjamacation

I'm totally beat. I'll get back to poll posting tomorrow. For now, I need some help.

I am not a "first generation" progressive political blogger, like Josh Marshall, Teagan Goddard, Jerome Armstrong or Kevin Drum. I'm not even a "second generation" blogger, like Markos or Duncan. Like many people who are now bloggers, I came from the great unwashed masses of the blogosphere. In late 2002, I started as a lurker. In early 2003, I started making comments. Eventually, I started writing diaries on Dailykos. Then, I started writing lots of diaries. It wasn't until May of 2004 that I actually started blogging myself.

I always thought that coming from the greater blogosphere community gave me special insight into what blog readers want from blogs and what they expect from bloggers. I have to admit, however, that my experience with the Alito fight has left me at a loss. I just don't understand what happened over the past month. Maybe its just that two years with this big podium has resulted in me getting too distant from the community, but whatever the cause, I'm pretty sure I need some re-education.

Let me explain what is perplexing me. On the first day of the hearings, when I was with Tim Tagaris blogging in the Hart Senate building, I made the following opening salvo:

I am in DC today, as I will be for the rest of the week. While I am down here, one of the main things I will be working on is to defeat the nomination of Samuel Alito to the Supreme Court.

I want to make that last sentence clear. I believe the Democratic goal for the Alito hearings should be to defeat his nomination through a filibuster of 41 votes or more, and then to defeat the nuclear option with a vote of 51 votes or more. Samuel Alito is an unacceptable choice to sit on the Supreme Court of the United States.
That post got 11 comments. 11. And that was actually a lot compared to the Alito blogging we had done on MyDD since November. Of the eight posts we made on Alito in the two weeks before the hearings, only two of them received more than 11 comments. Clearly, Alito was not a hot topic on MyDD before the hearings began. In fact, even during the hearings there wasn't much that we wrote on Altio that generated all that many comments. Just check out the two pages we put up on Alito during those two days, here and here. Apart form the Guess Alito's Freeper Name contest, there really did not seem to be all that much. And the story was pretty much the same over at Dailykos. The posts Armando wrote during the hearings received fewer comments than most other posts on Dailykos at the time (if you don't believe me, check it out for yourself).

So then, earlier this week, I remember reading in Hotline one morning hat five Democrats had come out in public opposition to using the filibuster to stop Altio. I saw that and I figured it was over. These weren't even what I considered "persuadable" Democrats for the netroots. We're talking senators like Ben Nelson, Tim Johnson and Mark Pryor--not exactly senators who have a history of listening to the netroots in the past, and not exactly the sort of Senators to whom we have given much support in the past. I think I muttered a series of explicatives to myself, stomped around my apartment for a bit, had a pot of tea and then went back to work on matters other than stopping Alito.

That same day, a couple of hours later, John Kerry publicly announced that he was going to try and organize a filibuster to stop Alito on Dailykos. Suddenly, after weeks when trying to generate interest in Alito blog action was like trying to pull teeth, there was nothing else a huge number of commenters wanted any blog to discuss. I was one of many bloggers who was suddenly regularly accused of not paying enough attention and devoting enough resources to trying to stop Alito. I was really dumbfounded by this.

For weeks before Kerry's announcement, quite a few large blogs had spent quite a bit of time and resources blogging about Alito and calling for Demcorats to use any and all methods to stop him from being confirmed. We had generated what seemed to me fairly little interest from the community, at least compared to other stories that were occurring at the time. However, a couple of hours after the whip count on the filibuster had failed, John Kerry coming online and saying he was trying to organize a filibuster suddenly changed everything. Now, after we had spent weeks calling for the same thing, now only a couple of hours after defeat had already been pretty much assured, now we were supposed to do everything we could to organize the filibuster.

Pardon me for asking this to no one in particular, but what the fuck? Why was the progressive blogosphere community suddenly interested in making a huge stand against Alito only after victory had become nearly impossible, and only after John Kerry--not exactly the most popular Democrat in the blogosphere before last week--had announced that he would give it a shot? What happened?

Edjimacate me. What was the psychology of the netroots interest in Alito? Why was Kerry the catalyst? Did the fact that the fight had suddenly become nearly impossible actually play a major role in people suddenly wanting to engage it? Did bloggers such as myself just do a crappy job leading the netroots against Alito in the first place? If so, what could we have done differently?

I need to know. I came from the blogosphere community, but maybe I don't understand it anymore. I often hear calls for better leadership from top bloggers, and as many campaigns as we try to lead, there is still clearly a lot of disconnect on certain major issues. This can't stand, because the last thing we need is for the progressive establishment to be disconnected from the netroots, and for netroots leaders to also grow more disconnected.

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Re: In Need of Further Edjamacation (3.00 / 8)

Simple, the exact same thing as a lot of local DFA groups have discovered. People like quick easy bursts of instant gratification. Long political campaigns are hard, take work, and sometimes fail. Calling your Senator and being threatening is quick, faux empowering, and gives you the illusion of making a difference, while not interfering with even the most trivial aspects of one's life.

It's really the same debate as the ones over useless protest marches, etc... Give a lot of folks the choice, and they'll pick the useless, yet fun and easy instant gratification choice.

Sad but true.


by ElitistJohn on Tue Jan 31, 2006 at 12:39:55 AM EST

The upside is that (none / 0)

since not many people engage in a smart and useful way then those who do are becoming more powerful and important.

It's the same in the conservative community - they have a small core of people who really make an effort to help Republicans.

A small number of people can make a huge difference - they have to fight alone at first, but then people jump on the bandwagon.


The history of the left is a history of purists betraying the progressive movement so that they can feel good about their righteous selves.
by Populism2008 on Tue Jan 31, 2006 at 05:12:16 AM EST
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The Downside was the AWOL Democratic Leadership (3.00 / 2)

I was totally opposed to ScAlito from the moment he was nominated, but posted very little about it on the blogs. There is nothing wrong with that -- the fact that the blogs lit the fire under the filibuster is an indictment of the Democratic Leadership, not a measure of bloggy impotence.

The sad truth is, the Democrats went into the hearings without a game plan or a coherent message. The result was predictable -- a few salient points, buried in piles of bloviating B.S.

The progressive blogosphere should not have to drag the Democratic Party, kicking and screaming, into the 21st Century. Unfortunately, that is what we are faced with. All things considered, the blog leadership on the filibuster was a good thing; we flexed our muscles, and just maybe awakened a sleeping giant.

What happened to the Conservative movement after the Goldwater loss? They took over the GOP. If we can dump Lieberman, it will drop a dime on the leadership that we are a force that must be reckoned with, and not just an ATM to be exploited and ignored.


by ck on Tue Jan 31, 2006 at 11:57:32 AM EST
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Re: AWOL Democratic Leadership (none / 0)

Somehow, I think many of us thought that things were going on behind the scenes that would marshal an effective filibuster effort. I really thought there would be more support and much more strategizing by Dems to get the job done.

What was there to say in the earlier blogging on this? There seemed to be widespread agreement that a filibuster was necessary and urgently needed.

I didn't comment on blogs during that period but I certainly faxed, emailed and called my Senators and many others urging a no vote AND a filibuster.

I was also busy on local political activities, including Party stuff. I think many people are, which definitely cuts into blogging time!


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by barbwire on Tue Jan 31, 2006 at 08:26:45 PM EST
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Re: In Need of Further Edjamacation (none / 0)

I definitely agree with this statement, and it's one reason why long-term issue based campaigns have a hard time keeping momentum.


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by Alex Urevick on Tue Jan 31, 2006 at 11:43:59 AM EST
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I resemble that remark (3.00 / 2)

But it still pisses me off. Yeah, I got all bent out of shape over the last five days over the incredibly inept and ineffectual political game played by the opponents of the Alito confirmation. Mostly, my reaction was just a gut upswell of indignation that nobody was showing a god-damned ounce of real outrage. (Except maybe for Senator Kennedy.) It pissed me off.

Yeah, maybe I should be in the fight for the long-haul, for the dull days as well as the big fights, but I look around and wonder "What the hell else can I afford to do?" I don't claim to be a special case, but I work full-time in a job that has nothing to do with politics, I go to school in the evenings, I vote pragmatically for candidates that support 'my team' even if I disagree with them on many issues, I donate to progressive candidates and causes . . .I even tried to volunteer for the local Democratic party, but every time they have an organizing session . . .I have class.  I'm trying to provide for a family here in a world where they take away more health insurance every year, where my entire career seems to be switching to contract-based non-benefit bearing jobs, and in which I have a pregnant wife (our first child) and I feel like I'm an irresponsible schmuck for even bringing another child into the world as it is and as it is obviously becoming. I know the statistics. If you don't get above a certain income line going forward, you're going to get shoved down into the 'undeserving poor' as conceived by the rulers of Dickensian England, and as resurrected by the neo-cons of the Kingdom of Bushland. I had been working under the assumption that I could work hard enough and be smart enough to make sure that at least my family is safe and has enough to survive. But the evil people running the country now are changing the rules too damned fast! What is it? The top 1% now own 57% of all corporate assets? Hell, the elitists are even jettisoning their own lower ranks just to make sure that the top 1000 individuals in the land are the only ones left with the luxury to even play politics. This last little bit of the Alito fight, for me, wasn't about abortion. It was about putting a man in place who could very well make this a true monarchy. And in an aristocracy . . . 99.9% of us are fucked. That's why I started yelling online the last few days.

I'll try to help and fight harder in the future, but you asked why things happened the way they did the last week in the bloggosphere. That's my take on it.


by Tergenev on Tue Jan 31, 2006 at 12:06:12 PM EST
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Re: I resemble that remark (3.00 / 1)

Here is my personal take on the whole thing:

I already spend way too much time on dailyKos and other left blogs. I try to find ways to filter out some of the volume of information and opinion. One of the things I started to filter out was Armando's many Alito stories. Not because I didn't care. Not because I didn't think it was important. It was because I had already made up my mind that Alito sucked and that Dems should do everything including a filibuster to stop him. So I intermittently followed the drama hoping that Senate Dems would wise up and follow some of Bill Scher's always excellent advice. But both of my Senators are Republicans, so I didn't really feel like calling my Senators was a useful thing to do.

Anyway, that's my story. It's probably pretty typical.


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by miasmo on Tue Jan 31, 2006 at 12:29:44 PM EST
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Re: In Need of Further Edjamacation (3.00 / 8)

have you considered that we were doing more reading than writing?  that might sound lame, but for instance, i didn't comment on any of armando's diaries, but i read every one.

i think that many people expected the "big" orgs (NARAL, PFAW, etc) to get involved and map out a real game plan for us to follow.  i think we also expected that SOMEONE in the senate would step up and become the megaphone for such a movement.

so when kerry finally stepped up, it galvanised people.  even if it may have been too late (and honestly i was not convinced it was too late until this afternoon), it was like "FINALLY!  someone in a leadership position stood up!"  so everyone put all their energy into trying to make it happen, trying to heed the call.  

i dunno.  just some random thoughts.  i'm still processing it myself.


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by annatopia on Tue Jan 31, 2006 at 12:42:22 AM EST

Re: In Need of Further Edjamacation (3.00 / 3)

I agree that part of the problem was that it didn't appear that anyone was taking charge.  Lack of leadership.

Sarah
www.carterfornevada.com


by Sarah R Carter on Tue Jan 31, 2006 at 12:48:01 AM EST
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Re: In Need of Further Edjamacation (none / 0)

And that lack of leadership was due to the fact that most Dems knew that Alito was going to be confirmed. We have 35 senastors who are sincerely against him, that's not enough.


The history of the left is a history of purists betraying the progressive movement so that they can feel good about their righteous selves.
by Populism2008 on Tue Jan 31, 2006 at 05:22:59 AM EST
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Re: In Need of Further Edjamacation (none / 0)

It had the feel of something predestined.  /No matter how hard we work, that shit from Connecticut is still going to vote for him*


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by Robert P on Tue Jan 31, 2006 at 06:28:52 AM EST
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Re: In Need of Further Edjamacation (none / 0)

It had the feel of something predestined.  No matter how hard we work, that shit from Connecticut is still going to vote for him


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by Robert P on Tue Jan 31, 2006 at 06:29:09 AM EST
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Exactamundo (3.00 / 2)

Leadership. Leadership. Leadership.

I think people expected some 10-years-in-the-making master plan from PFAW/NAARAL, which never showed up. The outpouring of support after Kerry made an announcement shows that people were ready to act, but needed someone to lead the charge.

Unfortinately for all of us, Chris, no blogger is in a position to lead any kind of popular political action. Stimulate a groundswell is about as close as we get, but without someone who's got mainstram clout and influence, you don't get critical mass.

It might be easier for blogger(s) to drive press criticism, but the bar for meaningful action there is significantly lower. Just a few hundred comments on the WaPo blog is enough to bring down the house, apparently.

Stoller was right: the progressive leadership simply didn't really want to put in long hours on this.


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by Josh Koenig on Tue Jan 31, 2006 at 10:30:07 AM EST
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As Usual, Anna, You Hit Several Nails On The Head (3.00 / 2)

Everything you said was true--and very clearly put.

But I still think there's something more to be asked.

Such as why--with all the remarkable self-organzing we've shown the blogosphere capable of--we ended up waiting for someone (Senator, major org, whatever) to do something, rather than the next thing simply happening as either (a) an emergent function of what we were doing already, or (b) the direct result of some very specific action taken by someone (or several someones).

In other words, I think you've described quite succinctly what we were doing--which was considerably more than meets the eye.  But it does not address the gap between that and what we needed to be doing--and, more importantly, how we could have addressed that gap in time to do something about it.


by Paul Rosenberg on Tue Jan 31, 2006 at 01:06:29 AM EST
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Harsh glare of public attention (none / 0)

Being the first to step into the light makes you very vulnerable to attack.

I believe that when a "big enough" leader finally steps forward, they give people tacit permission to join in. The leader can't be just anyone, though. He or she must be someone that people recognize as a leader - someone with enough stature to provide sufficient protective shade from the harsh glare of public attention.

People who aren't yet recognized as having sufficient stature may come out first, but they are not likely to block enough of the sun to give those waiting in the wings the protection they feel they need in order to step forward.

They are leaders, but small leaders. The protective shadow they cast is not long enough.


by mataliandy on Tue Jan 31, 2006 at 02:29:04 AM EST
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that is a good point, paul (none / 0)

i would certainly like to see less waiting and more doing.  in fact, i think the blogosphere is very capable of "more doing", and that's been proven.

from where i stand, this fight was different.  on an order of magnitude, i don't think that we bloggers alone could have stopped the nomination even if every "big" lefty blogger stepped up with a game plan. we just aren't that powerful yet.  and because the SCOTUS fight was so, well, huge, we needed everyone from NARAL to the green party to our entrenched leadership to our lobbyists to the netroots be on the same page, working from the same game plan, with the same end goal.  

now, i think we had the same end goal: stop the alito nomination.  but the middle part was not well coordinated or mapped out.  it's like that southpark episode.  step one: steal underpants.  step two: ???  step three: profit!  

nobody really put forth a real plan for stopping the nomination until it was too late, and from what i saw there (and granted, i may not be privy to some things) was very little behind-the-scenes coordination between the big lefty orgs and activists like us.  now, there was a significant amount of coordination and information sharing between the netroots.  and i must give senator kennedy and his staff a TON of credit for working with the netroots during the last minute push.

but i do think that some netroots folks tried to step up and lead (armando comes to mind).  but on top of that, i also think that many of us feel empowered, but not quite powerful enough without the backing of our democratic leadership.  

there's something i've written so often on the blogs, and that's that if we want our leadership to stand up and fight we have to show them that we have their backs.  but i also think the reverse is true, that if our leadership wants us to have their backs, they have to stand up and fight for what's right.  and that's what i was trying to hit on in my comment late last night.  when someone finally stood up (kerry and kennedy), we were there instantaneously.  we took all the information that armando and chris and everyone else had been putting out there, and used it when we executed kennedy's game plan.

it didn't work this time, and i just hope people learn their lessons and do better next time around.


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by annatopia on Tue Jan 31, 2006 at 01:29:17 PM EST
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Re: that is a good point, paul (none / 0)

I think it bears mentioning that while BlogPAC had gone out of its way to announce its intention to fight the nomination with "scalito.com" as early as November 1st, the site remained inactive until fewer than two weeks remained before the hearings.


by Kagro X on Tue Jan 31, 2006 at 01:49:03 PM EST
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blogpac's dead (none / 0)

markos and jerome disbanded it back in the fall.  it is supposed to be replaced by another project run by stoller and others.

scalito.com was brigham's idea, and he's become toxic, apparently.

you can email me if you wanna discuss more details.


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by annatopia on Tue Jan 31, 2006 at 02:59:06 PM EST
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Re: In Need of Further Edjamacation (3.00 / 3)

Amen.  I wasn't commenting much but I was reading everything I could.  I even added more blogs to my feeds just to keep up.

i think we also expected that SOMEONE in the senate would step up and become the megaphone for such a movement.

I expected strategy, planning, and coordination from the Democratic leadership. I guess that expectation was too high.

The Democrats blew the confirmation hearings but I thought maybe they could pull something out with a filibuster.  Then Harry Reid says he's not going to pressure anyone, it's a "conscience vote."  WTF?

I was grateful that Kennedy & Kerry led the way.  (Truthfully, I would have preferred that Kerry cancel his trip to Davos then leading the charge from Switzerland.)  Hell, I was grateful that anybody stood up.  It's an improvement over the trained seal act we've come to expect.

It was like watching a group of people blossom from idiots to imbeciles.


by KimPossible on Tue Jan 31, 2006 at 09:06:10 AM EST
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Re: In Need of Further Edjamacation (none / 0)

Chris -- I remember well your first post you cite in this and remember thinking -- "oh good, someone is going to call on us to get involved." Then, no action items followed. Over at Bump on the Beltway, Melanie made a similar post suggesting we'd be called into action -- but nothing followed there. What happened to whatever initiative was promised there?

So I wrote my own Senators and let it go.

Annatopia -- like you, I thought we'd get useful strategy from the advocacy folks, though the one I hoped for was the Alliance for Justice who I have seen marshal opposition to nominees in the past. Something short-circuited there. I hope we'll learn what. NARAL and PFAW seemed to be just posturing, but I don't have a lot of faith in direct mail outfits.

The Dems on the Judiciary Committee were a tremendous disappointment. I listened to the whole Bork hearings back in the day and they were simply smarter (better staffed?) in those days. They were dopey this time round. I don't credit Alito on that; he could have been confronted intellectually.

Kerry is not my leader, but I am glad somebody stepped up a little.


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by janinsanfran on Tue Jan 31, 2006 at 07:37:13 PM EST
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Re: In Need of Further Edjamacation (3.00 / 3)

This is a very interesting situation.  I don't think it was attention that was lacking, but enthusiasm or energy.  I think the excitement of someone like Kerry unexpectedly asking for our help was the catalyst.  

I've found that it's sort of hard to determine what will capture the activism and of the blogosphere, even though I've been a lurker around here for years.  It seems like some good causes go ignored, while others become huge.

Sarah
www.carterfornevada.com


by Sarah R Carter on Tue Jan 31, 2006 at 12:43:49 AM EST

Re: In Need of Further Edjamacation (none / 0)

Hey Sarah, thanks for your insight and comments.  It's great to see that you're joining in the community.

If I may ask, what does your dad think og the Alito nomination/confirmation?  Would he have been a guaranteed filibuster vote?


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by HellofaSandwich on Tue Jan 31, 2006 at 01:27:33 AM EST
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Re: In Need of Further Edjamacation (none / 0)

Sorry it has taken me so long to get back to you, but I wanted to check with my Dad first so that I would be sure to not put words in his mouth.  So, here's the email he sent to me in response to the question:

Say,

I would have voted NO for Alito and NO for the filibuster.  I disagree
with Alito's stands. I'm sorry he got confirmed and I'm well aware that
his impact on the SC will be longlasting.  However, the Republicans played
by the rules and the Constitution.  They got the votes for their majority
and their President fairly (at least, mostly fairly) and we have to accept
that.

I take some responsibility for the Democrats' failure to keep more in tune
with the American people.  The issues are all on our side, but we continue
to give the Republicans free and unopposed reign in the rural areas of our
country where they have been successful in painting us as having no
"family values".  We, as a Party, have been remiss in ceding this
important group of voters to our opposition, and now we as a nation have
to pay for it with this kind of Judge.

I am not going to allow that to happen in my race.  I am going to give the
rural areas the time and respect they are due.  We Democrats have no
reason to fear country folks.  They have a strong grasp on the American
values that are the core of our Party.  They will be with us if we go to
them and ask for their support.

yd


by Sarah R Carter on Tue Jan 31, 2006 at 02:38:45 PM EST
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Re: In Need of Further Edjamacation (none / 0)

Thanks Sarah!  I'm a bit sad that he wouldn't filibuster, but a NO vote on Alito sure is a hell of a lot more than we could get from Ensign.

Best of luck for your Dad.  I think he's awesome.


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by HellofaSandwich on Tue Jan 31, 2006 at 11:20:10 PM EST
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Re: In Need of Further Edjamacation (none / 0)

yeah, I was going to say "a sense of hopelessness in the face of inevitability" and that the last-minute flurry gave an unexpected shot of possibility...

we shouldn't be hopeless.  perhaps we don't need calls to action but evidence that there might be enough votes that some leaning could make a difference, and I don't think you can get that several months out...

acm


by redfox1 on Wed Feb 01, 2006 at 12:22:14 PM EST
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Re: In Need of Further Edjamacation (3.00 / 3)

We're ordinary human consumers of information. In other words, the dynamic of what captures interest among blog readers is basically the same as what captures the interest of television viewers, although the subject matter is different.

There has to be a compelling story and a sense of involvement. It's not a knock aimed at you, BTW. What major party figure made stopping Alito a priority before Friday afternoon?

There have to be actors (they used to be called leaders.) My blog and your blog aren't there yet, although myDD is highly respected in the left blogosphere.

Blogs are great but they can't pull the load by themselves. We need a symbiotic relationship with the party. Once an actor takes action, like Kerry did, people are more than ready to jump in with both feet and then some.

So one thing we might learn is we have to hound the actors into acting, and sooner.


by jondevore on Tue Jan 31, 2006 at 12:43:57 AM EST

Re: In Need of Further Edjamacation (3.00 / 3)

I can only give you my experience. I felt that defeating Alito was a long, long shot. What got me excited was the opportunity for the Dems to show some backbone. I didn't have the podium to start the firestorm but that was my reason for joining it when I saw one developing. (I can't tell you what caused the firestorm to develop. Maybe your posts contributed to building the momentum, maybe it was something else.) Once it started, I was commenting all over the place in favor of the fight to filibuster and arguing against those that wanted to be more sensible. I do not regret it a bit. Not even though we lost 72 to 25. We have a long way to go in the backbone department but this was worth it. We have to respect ourselves before we can expect respect from others. And if we want to respect ourselves we have to take on these fights.


by Alvord on Tue Jan 31, 2006 at 12:45:50 AM EST

Re: In Need of Further Edjamacation (3.00 / 1)

I think lefty bloggers are just beginning to wake up to the fact that they actually can be leaders.  I think many of them have been reluctant to really climb into the fray and organize on a mass level; it may have something to do with a desire to remain independent and not feel forced to march in lock step as do rightwingers.  

I've often wondered myself why there wasn't more coordination between blogs, more of an effort at mass motivation of our side on particular issues.

I think this past week and a half will make people think again, though.  That was a taste of real power.    


by mercury on Tue Jan 31, 2006 at 12:47:24 AM EST

Re: In Need of Further Edjamacation (3.00 / 1)

I agree. Netroots folks tend to be suspicious of authority, but without leaders, the blogosphere can't really accomplish much. There needs to be more coordination among bloggers and better planning. There never seemed to be a concrete strategy for taking down Alito.


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by bluenc on Tue Jan 31, 2006 at 12:55:27 AM EST
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Re: In Need of Further Edjamacation (none / 0)

Well,  there seems to be these opposite forces working here.

We need to see some sort of leadership from somewhere, in delivering/coordinating messages and actions, however, there is a natural distrust of those who would lead.

I don't know that we need to see a "leader" as it were, just direction from somewhere.  Both when it comes to a specific message, or more importantly, when it comes to getting people to act.

David (Austin Tx)
http://supremeirony.blogspot.com


by David Austin Tx on Tue Jan 31, 2006 at 10:55:39 AM EST
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coordination (none / 0)

actually, there is a quite a bit of coordination going on behind the scenes as far as the lefty blogs are concerned.  you might not see it, but it's there and it's happening and it's getting bigger.  soon we'll see some real results of what folks are doing, and in fact i do think you can attribute what happened over the past few days to that burgeoning coordination.


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by annatopia on Tue Jan 31, 2006 at 01:39:57 PM EST
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respectfully disagree (none / 0)

it is exactly bloggers' lack of any real power that dampened enthusiasm for alito posts.

until some democrat with power was actually willing to show his/her hand with regard to the alito filibuster, getting involved in blogger discussions about it seemed like a waste of energy (for me personally).


by jethropalerobber on Tue Jan 31, 2006 at 11:45:46 PM EST
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Re: In Need of Further Edjamacation (none / 0)

I have spent the day reading comments from other sites.  It is a combination of the boost from Kerry, last minute though it was, and the interest in the Alito confirmation sort of waned at bit, until the date of the vote was set. And now that the vote is over, too many people are ready to throw in the towel, completely.

The problem is instant gratification.  Because the Internet allows us the ability to instantly read and react to news, I have noticed a distinct lack of urgency, if there is a deadline that is weeks in the future (just like most of us did in school when writing term papers ;) ).

Right now, eventhough the final vote on Alito is Tuesday, many people involved in the progressive blogosphere have given up.  Instead of calling their Senators to insist on a no vote tomorrow (as unlikely as it may be), it is as if the cloture vote was the end of it.

This is the battle that we all have to combat in the interval between the SOTU and the general election. This general malaise that has settled over everything I have seen just in the past 8 hours.  It is more pronounced than the 2004 election aftermath.

David (Austin Tx)
http://supremeirony.blogspot.com


by David Austin Tx on Tue Jan 31, 2006 at 12:56:32 AM EST

My Hobby Horse (3.00 / 3)

I'll admit it. My answer is my hobby horse: We need a quantum leap in blogosphere organization.

Without that, we can make a lot of noise, and we are beginning to have some real effect--as with the WaPo--but we can't take on the super-big stuff successfully.  And so, yes, since we can't take on the big stuff successfully, we will do the symbolically second best thing--be beautiful losers.  You hit the nail on the head with this question:

Did the fact that the fight had suddenly become nearly impossible actually play a major role in people suddenly wanting to engage it?

The answer is: Yes. Absolutely!

What do I mean by blogosphere organization?  Well, for starters, some sort of super-blog that is organized heterarchically by issues and geography, at the very least.  This will create all sorts of nodes where different issues and/or issues and geography intersect, which in turn can be represented as mini front pages.  Each of these can have its own customized set of front page posts, recent diaries, recommended diaries, and blogrolls. They will be natural intersection points where independent bloggers will come together.

The creation of such a structure will greatly facilitate the development of far more effective targeted political action, as well as significantly increasing the quality of interactions and speed of people's learning curves when encountering new issues.  It will, quite simply, help to redistribute attention in a much more productive manner, making it far easier for many more people to productively find their way around to want they want to read about and discuss.

By making the blogosphere more coherent, transparent, and manipulable on a daily basis, it will substantially enhance people's sense of empowerment, so that when something major comes along, there will be a substantially higher level of can-do feeling--along with a lot more practical experience in working together successfully online.

This is just one example of the sort of thing we could build that could significantly enhance our community empowerment.  We need to think of 5 to 10 other ideas of similar magnitude, and then implement them all.  We need to generate a quantum leap in our effectiveness as a community.  We've already gone from the power of addition to the power of multiplication. Now we need to go from the power of multiplication to the power of exponentiation.

That's the challenge we face.  If we meet it, we win. Not just online, but in real life.


by Paul Rosenberg on Tue Jan 31, 2006 at 12:57:04 AM EST

Re: My Hobby Horse (none / 0)

As a (sort of) example, I use the Washington state page of leftyblogs.com to quickly track what other progressive bloggers in Washington are writing about. Not as rich as you are talking about, but it's been very useful for me.

What I've noticed is that we're all hesitating sometimes trying to find the message, when it's in fact staring us in the face.

Somehow the message "we have to stop Alito at all costs" was never transmitted through the netroots.


by jondevore on Tue Jan 31, 2006 at 01:08:02 AM EST
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That's Right--We Have Pieces of What We Need (none / 0)

But we need to put the pieces together in new way.


by Paul Rosenberg on Tue Jan 31, 2006 at 01:20:23 AM EST
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Re: My Hobby Horse (none / 0)

I don't know that a "super blog" is the right direction.  That is what dailykos is trying to be.

What is really needed is something like memeorandum or newsmap as a starting point for getting the word out.

However, the main thing that is needed is a place for bloggers to go and work together when planning and pushing a message on a topic.  This is where the message brokers Matt wrote about below would be useful.

But, as a caveat, if it ends up turning into a pajamas media type setup, where ideological leanings matter more than the quality of the content, then it will be doomed to failure.  Bloggers didn't start blogging to be a part of a machine.  The independence has to remain or those that would be interested are driven away.  Where the coordination comes in, is sharing research, and helping to shape a message in such a manner that, even through the individual personality of each blogger, the message can be conveyed.

I don't know if what I am saying means what I want it to.  I have been an observer from the outside so long and I have my ideas on what I would like to see happen between now, and the ramp up of the campaign season.  Since I don't have the platform myself to get the word out, I have to try and articulate what I mean here and elsewhere.

David (Austin Tx)
http://supremeirony.blogspot.com


by David Austin Tx on Tue Jan 31, 2006 at 01:23:37 AM EST
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DKos<>Superblog (3.00 / 1)

DKos is a HUGE site, but it has a very small funnel for people to pass through.  That means it has an enormous amount of content that gets far too little attention.  Not what I mean by a superblog.

What I'm talking about is a site where there are hundreds, possibly thousands of potential "front page" views, each a node in a heterarchical (overlapping tree) structure.  Your front page view could highlight environmental justice issues, or women's issues in the South, or everything in Washington State.  (A customizable pull-down menu would allow you to store any number of front page views, in addition to being able to navigate up and down the tree structure.) Although it would be a single site, it would function as a meeting place where many different subcommunities--also represented on a large number of different blogs--would interact.

A given front page view would either be generated automatically, or be edited by a group--typically, composed of people who post a lot on the subject at hand.  The auto-generated pages would derive their content algorithmically from nodes above and below them.  Edited ones would have a wider range of algoritmically material to select from, as well as anything else they might want to add.

In short, this concept is very much about community-building as well as organizing information for both long-term strategizing and short-term action.  It is intended to help nurture a more richly-connected blogosphere.


by Paul Rosenberg on Tue Jan 31, 2006 at 10:17:46 AM EST
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Re: My Hobby Horse (3.00 / 1)

I agree strongly with your basic idea.  I don't think the right approach is to create a new site, but a method for leading sites to interact with each other.

Some sites do things better than others.  MoveOn can generate $250K in a day, but is useless for news/analysis.  I'm sure I don't have to list the pros and cons of dKos.  My home for the Alito fight was democrats.com.  The DNC had some useful content. There are many, many other sites that had  valuable pieces to the Alito puzzle.

Leading sites like these could (from a technical standpoint) very easily generate a combined RSS feed covering the issues of the day.  I know that I'd syndicate a feed like onto my blogs in a heartbeat.  There's a hundred different ways to access a feed like that: desktop news tickers, MyYahoo pages, etc, etc.

The potential stumbling block is if the leading sites can put their differences aside and work together for a common goal.  I'd say if it was going to happen, it'd be most likely to happen after a stinging defeat.


Dennis Kucinich, Progressive Democrat for President in 2008
by hoose on Tue Jan 31, 2006 at 02:17:24 AM EST
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Re: My Hobby Horse (none / 0)

I agree strongly with your basic idea.  I don't think the right approach is to create a new site, but a method for leading sites to interact with each other.
As you note, there is already technology the individual can use to make different sites work more in concert for them.  My concept of a heterarchically-structured super-blog is the most obvious way I can see for making different sites work more in concert for all of us.  I'm quite open to other suggestions. But I must stress that the advantage I see to this approach is that it involves community-building on a potentially massive scale--something blogs have a proven track record of doing.


by Paul Rosenberg on Tue Jan 31, 2006 at 10:24:55 AM EST
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Re: My Hobby Horse (none / 0)

I'm not 100% sure if I'm reading your posts right, but I want to take a stab at responding.  

An example of a similar kind of project in another milieu is http://freshmeat.net.  It aggregates announcements from, gee, hundreds of thousands of individual sites for open source software.  It backs this with the obvious community-building tools -- voting, chat, discussion boards, searching, a "frontpage" of sorts, and the ability to select views of multiple categories at once (you could imagine combining an "Alito" filter with a "Florida" or a "National" filter).

I'm curious if that's close enough to what you're thinking about to compare to and contrast with.


Dennis Kucinich, Progressive Democrat for President in 2008
by hoose on Tue Jan 31, 2006 at 12:08:51 PM EST
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I Don't Know No Freshmeat... (none / 0)

So I can't say just by clicking on the link for a quick look-see.  But the front-end interface is not encouraging.

I envision a front page much like what you'd see here, at DKos, or My Left Wing.  The difference is that you can customize it with multiple filters (the user's view of the heterarchical tree structure), save and retrieve those filter settings via a pull-down menu, and set one of them as your default view of the site.  The filtering would effect the recent and recommended diaries, the blogrolls, and possibly ads, as well as the content of the center column--since all these would be generated through filters.  This would be algorithmic for everything except ads and center column content, which would have algorithmic defaults with over-ride provisions.

You would have multiple ways to move around the node structure, the interfaces to which would all be grouped together in one navigation box.

Oh, and in addition to the formal node structure, you'd also have tags, and user subcommunity tracking ("people who recommended this diary also recommended..." that sort of thing) as alternative ways of organizing information to move around the site.


by Paul Rosenberg on Tue Jan 31, 2006 at 12:48:56 PM EST
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Get Offline and Get on the ground... (none / 0)

I agree we need bigger and better organization, but we do not need a  "super blog." What we need is on-the-ground organizing that can provide us face time with people who might get moving on issues if they were asked directly to do so.

Drinking Liberally provides Philly with one example of this, and maybe this could help facilitate ground organizing in other cities.

Let me ask you this Chris- outside of any e-mails that you may have sent, did you try at all to get people at DL interested in working collectively on the issue?  

The best way to get people to participate is to ask them in person- I think many people would be surprised to find that they can be quite effective catalysts towards movement and change if they work with national orgs to convince their friends to do things...


Future Majority / Young Philly Politics
by Alex Urevick on Tue Jan 31, 2006 at 11:53:01 AM EST
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Both/And (none / 0)

I will never understand that mindset that says, "We don't need potatoe chips, we need a monkey wrench."  Of course we need a monkey wrench.  But we also need those chips.

One thing that the sort of super blog I'm talking about would do is increase the cross-traffic between issue concerns and electoral concerns at different geographical clustering levels.  This would obviously support and encourage increased levels of offline interaction and organizing.


by Paul Rosenberg on Tue Jan 31, 2006 at 12:56:58 PM EST
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Misspoke (none / 0)

Paul-

I wasn't trying to imply an either/or situation, but I do feel that our online communications are currently being overemphasized in relation to our on the ground activities.

The fact is that there are plenty of blogs- new ones pop up every day (some big, some small)- but how often do you see new things happening offline? As I said, DL in Philly is a step in the right direction, but overall there is an almost complete lack of offline political resources and capabilities.


Future Majority / Young Philly Politics
by Alex Urevick on Tue Jan 31, 2006 at 01:35:17 PM EST
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Re: In Need of Further Edjamacation (1.00 / 1)

Well the fact of the matter is that for the most part all the blogs have done to this point is net organize much of the old dead left. You and they pay way too much attention to what the political class says instead of building a real movement for change.

And of course with Alito you found out what the old left really likes to do -- lose. It makes them feel good, because the point isn't too build new, but simply suffer opposition.


by brutus1 on Tue Jan 31, 2006 at 01:00:20 AM EST

Pie In The Face (none / 0)

Ingredients:
  1 Pie
  1 Face

Preparation:
  F=m*a


by Paul Rosenberg on Tue Jan 31, 2006 at 01:13:40 AM EST
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The deep wave..... (3.00 / 1)

The holidays are over and people are more fed up than ever.

In general my immediate family is very political. When my parents first started to date, it was illegal for them to get married. He was white and she was not.

Now decades later, as we all were watching the fight to put Scalito on the bench, my parents in their tired state looked at me and said, "Why bother fighting, he's going to be affirmed anyway." I thought for a time perhaps they are right. They have been politically active for a very long time. They have a lot of experience and insight.  But then I realized this fight is too big not to fight.

I feel incredibly energized despite the loss. I feel that we have lost this battle but we're going to win this war. The most of the 25 democrats who voted for cloture did not do so because they felt strongly about the filibuster; they did it because of the pressure placed upon them from their grassroots. We must keep up the pressure!

When you ask why people were galvanized when Kerry stepped up, I have to say that is a misinterpretation. Kerry stepped up because people galvanized. Between all the various forms of progressive communication, radio, Internet, or television the masses in the grassroots have finally begun to flex their muscle and hold their representatives to task.

The senior senator from my state is up for reelection. I told her that if she did not vote to filibuster that I would not vote for her. She got the message.

The message she got one is a message of deep frustration from the grass roots letting her know that either she will now stands up for progressive values or she is gone.

It's not about to blogosphire it's about the deep wave of anger and frustration of the voters.

Peace


by Cousin It on Tue Jan 31, 2006 at 01:08:31 AM EST

Re: In Need of Further Edjamacation (3.00 / 4)

Could this be Peter Daou's triangle in action? I know for me, there are so many "action alerts" on all the blogs I read that sometimes, it just seems like one constant futile fight, and I lose interest. While Kerry's message was missing the critical media aspect of the triangle, what I did observe was that someone from outside the blogosphere was really able to galvanize the community. I also agree with John Aravosis that this fillibuster was poorly planned from the start. BUT, had we had a cohesive media narrative, coupled with politicians leading the charge backed up by the overwhelming strength the blogosphere exhibited this week, I think we could have won. Maybe not on the vote, but at least we would have won on principle, and that would have been the story the media covered leading into the state of the union.

In short, I think this proves what Daou has been saying all along. On our own, the blogosphere can get burned out, distracted and disinterested. A rallying cry from a democratic politician can whip the netroots into a frenzy, and a media narrative can lead to the win.


by who threw da cat on Tue Jan 31, 2006 at 01:14:50 AM EST

Yes, Daou's Triangle! (none / 0)

We can't go it alone. We, blogs did our part and right from the start. Chris and Armando, and I agree we were reading a lot more than commenting.

If the next step, the Democratic politician establishment had stepped up sooner then we would have had the time to begin the next leg, engaging the independent MSM media.

Perhaps we should have sought out a high-powered political sponsor sooner. Could we have engaged a Feingold, or Durbin or in hindsight Kerry, even a couple of weeks earlier in the process, we might have had a better shot.

I have, with this comment, the hindsight of digby, who is rightly impressed with the 25 and the paradigm shift of the base becoming the default home of the meaningless vote, rather than pandering to the right with the throw-away vote.

If I'm not clear read him here.


Jeff Wegerson - PrairieStateBlue
by wegerje on Tue Jan 31, 2006 at 08:07:36 AM EST
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Re: In Need of Further Edjamacation (none / 0)

I think there's two problems.

The first big problem is summed up in one word:  "blog".  Look, I love reading this stuff as much as the next guy, but it doesn't really influence public opinion and it doesn't influence policy makers or elected officials.  Somewhere, there is a formal disconnect between what people out here in commentland think and what the people in Washington think.  A blog just isn't an effective activist organization.

I hate to reinforce this thought, but it does seem to me that conservative blogs, or discussions sites, whatever, serve a different purpose.  Sites like BlogsforBush or Redstate, from my experience of them, aren't trying to influence public and official opinion so much as they are trying to pass on talking points for conservatives. The conservative sites I've been through are a way to get the message out, not to take one in.  I'm not sure that observation is terribly helpful, but it is something to be noted at least.

The second problem is the official Democratic leadership, and this is exemplified by situations like the Alito confirmation.  The Senate Democrats appeared to believe that they could paint Alito as a liar and a bigot, and, most importantly, that they could do all this within the weeklong hearings before the Senate Judiciary Committee.  So, they let the whole issue slide for 2 months without putting anything relevant before public.  The fight could have been won if the official leadership had come out swinging from the day of Alito's nomination--it wasn't an unforeseen event--and maintained a consistent barrage against him for those two months.  

So, in its relation to blogs, the second problem wasn't a failing of blogs, but a failing of the Democrats to stir things up a bit and give us something to talk about.  

Ultimately, there are limitations on blogs.  The format appeals to and is only available to some people.  So, while it might influence official opinion sometimes, it is difficult to expect elected officials to fall in line with what we say.  On the flipside, however, just like everyone else, bloggers' opinions can be influenced by elected officials, and they would be wise to use the medium more effectively.


by Reece on Tue Jan 31, 2006 at 01:31:19 AM EST

Re: In Need of Further Edjamacation (none / 0)

Hey Reece:

Give us a break. Don't like blogging? Then do something else.


by blues on Tue Jan 31, 2006 at 03:19:01 AM EST
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Re: In Need of Further Edjamacation (none / 0)

You missed the point.  I do like blogs.  But I'm not going to delude myself into thinking that I'm making a difference by commenting on them or writing my own.  

Politics is a major league sport.  But we're not the players; we're not the coaches; we're not the general managers; and we're not the owners.  We're the fans.  Every once in a while we'll get tickets the big game, but most of the time we are just Monday morning quarterbacks and stat-keepers.


by Reece on Tue Jan 31, 2006 at 09:35:54 AM EST
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Re: In Need of Further Edjamacation (none / 0)

Hey Reece:

Maybe my blogging has its effects on the political world -- and maybe it doesn't. Anyway, I blog because I am an American who cares about the future of my country and my world.

Why the hell do you bother to blog? Do you get your kicks by founding a cult of impotence?


by blues on Wed Feb 01, 2006 at 03:18:51 AM EST
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Re: In Need of Further Edjamacation (none / 0)

I blog because I happen to have real things to say. For example, see my diary entry The Art Of Making History Fast - The Alito Revolt.


by blues on Wed Feb 01, 2006 at 03:36:47 AM EST
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Re: In Need of Further Edjamacation (3.00 / 3)

Leadership was sorely lacking until too late.  I got many many E-mails from PFAW exhorting me to fax/mail/call, but I didn't see Ralph Neas or his crew out raising hell on the tube.  I assume from what I've read that NARAL didn't work awfully hard either.

That surprised me.

Then this afternoon I happened to catch a bit on CNN, and (I'll quote from my blog):

After the cloture vote came down I heard some CNN reporter say there was muttering in the halls of Capitol Hill to the effect of "why didn't Kerry start this filibuster effort earlier? We might have had a chance if he had."

My response to those clowns is "What? Your arm was broke? You could have tried earlier -- why didn't you?"

Why did it take Kerry in Davos?  Why wasn't it Reid, Durbin, or one of the ostensible 2008 Presidential candidates in the Senate?

I'll hazard a guess.  They're too afraid of the word "Liberal."  They desperately feel they have to be in the center of the electorate, and they don't recognize where that center is on the issues, despite polls which tell them liberal postions are overwhelmingly approved by majorities.


by Linkmeister on Tue Jan 31, 2006 at 01:33:36 AM EST

Re: In Need of Further Edjamacation (none / 0)

I see Reece and I came to the same conclusion while cross-posting.


by Linkmeister on Tue Jan 31, 2006 at 01:35:05 AM EST

Lock & Load (3.00 / 2)

Quoting Chris:


For weeks before Kerry's announcement, quite a few large blogs had spent quite a bit of time and resources blogging about Alito and calling for Demcorats to use any and all methods to stop him from being confirmed. We had generated what seemed to me fairly little interest from the community, at least compared to other stories that were occurring at the time. However, a couple of hours after the whip count on the filibuster had failed, John Kerry coming online and saying he was trying to organize a filibuster suddenly changed everything. Now, after we had spent weeks calling for the same thing, now only a couple of hours after defeat had already been pretty much assured, now we were supposed to do everything we could to organize the filibuster.

Pardon me for asking this to no one in particular, but what the fuck? Why was the progressive blogosphere community suddenly interested in making a huge stand against Alito only after victory had become nearly impossible, and only after John Kerry--not exactly the most popular Democrat in the blogosphere before last week--had announced that he would give it a shot? What happened?


Kerry was slow on the draw, as usual, but he never would have pulled the trigger if the 'Sphere hadn't loaded the gun for him ahead of time.

Don't beat yourself up -- you did good.

Under the prevailing circumstances, it's an unexpected surprise to see a call for a filibuster by a Democrat that has a high enough profile to make a difference. Such is our disillusionment with our party.

I think that we may have made some progress. It may still take a DC politician to pull the trigger, but now they know that the gun is loaded -- for elephant.


by Netromancer on Tue Jan 31, 2006 at 01:43:02 AM EST

Re: In Need of Further Edjamacation (none / 0)

I only discovered MYDD about two weeks ago.
But I've been fighting against Alito's nomination with PFAW and MoveOn and NARAL for a long time!
Sorry but I just didn't see this blog or Kos
or DU or ANY blog, as a driving force!
I have to agree that when a well known Senator,
finally called for help...we were all there!
Up to that point, I just thought signing petitions was 'the way to go...", so to speak!
The younger crowd seems to think this is a
"Scratch and Win" action!
Then they lose the inevitable 'vote' and the 'BooHooing' begins and they all want to take their toys and go home because it's so UNFAIR!!!" :sarcasm:
Bunch of cry-babies!
I think they have NO CLUE what it takes to fight and that is obvious because they are so upset that we lost!
LMAO!
Well,
last I checked the Dems are in the minority!
We didn't have a snowballs chance in hell
but that wasn't what this was about!
Today was about the power of the party!
Would they get up and fight?
We all discovered that we do have power!
We, on short notice, gained twenty-three NO'S!
and I, for one, think that's pretty, damn good!
I didn't think we'd get that many!!!
So, maybe Kos and DU and MYDD and RRMB all
need to get together and have a meeting about co-ordinating the "next time"!
I kept mentioning this website on another site
and NO ONE had heard of you!
And they call themselves 'progressives'?! Ha!
Maybe you need to advertise more?
I'll tell you;
I was inundated with e-mails daily, for months, against Alito and was sent tons of petitions to sign! After a while, I ignored them!
I mean, they were all the same, from different staff members who didn't know the petition had
all ready been sent out!
But I also never saw a blog as a driving force.
I just see them as a place to view other's ideas.
Hope that makes some sense.
I'm pretty tired from today.
Peace!
We'll do better next time!
This was a learning experience!
And I think we did great today!
Despite the naysayers!
by LividPatriot on Tue Jan 31, 2006 at 01:49:06 AM EST

Momentum (3.00 / 0)

For me, the events of the past two weeks finally made me believe that blocking Alito was possible.

As for not commenting on Alito threads, I'm no judicial scholar and there's nothing constructive I could have added.

Maybe others felt the same way? IDK.


by gina on Tue Jan 31, 2006 at 01:55:59 AM EST

Re: Momentum (none / 0)

I totally agree. I only comment when I think I have something constructive to say or at least a personal insight. Just putting up a post that says "I agree" seems so lame. But if you want to hear that too, I can do it. I so appreciate the work all the bloggers are doing.

I live in TN, Frist country, and have a very conservative (old line money grubber) congressman. After the 2000 election I thought I was the only one in the State who was upset. The blogs saved me from losing it. Then Air America kept me from moving to France :) when the war began.

My only suggestion is if there is a way to band together with the liberal talk radio people. They are few and far between (don't have one in Knoxville and have to stream Air America) perhaps the audience would grow.


by mpower1952 on Tue Jan 31, 2006 at 08:46:33 AM EST
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Re: In Need of Further Edjamacation (none / 0)

I do admit my first reaction to Kerry's statement that he would filibuster was "Wow, he must really want that 2008 nomination." I heard it on the radio on my way to class and i said that outloud.

As for interest I was plenty interested, I listened to the questioning (and raged at because all we were gettin was heroically parsed non-answers) but what more could I do that contact Coleman or Dayton my senators? What more was there to discuss?

I'll say discussion picked up because it's a lot simpler to organize if you have a standard bearer. Of course this probably wasn't the only reason but it's as good as any.

Dear Democratic Establishment: LEAD AND WE WILL FOLLOW BUT FOR GOD'S SAKE YOU HAVE TO LEAD!


by MNPundit on Tue Jan 31, 2006 at 02:00:36 AM EST

Re: In Need of Further Edjamacation (3.00 / 1)

blogs in themselves and even well funded internet oriented political action groups are not a sufficient form of social organization to fight the battle that we are now facing.

We need a broader sense of community and we need to involve and activate more people.

Unless we do that we are going to start every political fight or goal as we did this one, feeling that were are coming from so far behind the eight ball that it is hopeless and that will always lead to the sort of mix of defeatism and too little too late effort we saw this time, even if some of us were really energized and engaged as much as we could be in this specific effort.

Its time to admit that the political whores in office just take our blog money and occassionally visit with us, but when it matters to us they just ignore us becasue we can't energize enough people to really scare them.

They stole TV - the live broadcast medium from us. Its owned and dominated of course by corporations who favor the right and feel its good for business to keep us dumb and distracted.

So we need internet TV, our own channels our own content. We need live multi-media point to point multicasting. If we could do that when for example a protest or happening event occurred, even if the corporate media did not cover it, we would be aware of it and we would all get that sort of self and community re-enforcing positive feedback that would help us to better understand that we are not in the minority and we are not alone and isolated and just out of step with the greater public will. Which is precisely the message that they deliberately engineer to dominate and demoralize us on a daily basis. If our greater (potential) community felt we were coming from a position of greater strength and numbers we would be more successful more often.

We need a means of channeling live contemporaneous multimedia content point to point between everyone on the internet any time any place. Blogs and text based media will not energize the greater community of people who agree with our views and goals. And we can set up internet based services (lets say server based) that will send us content types that we would subscribe to. Further, content of those pre-selected types that is popular at any moment could appear in a preset number of windows on the pc screen, and we could switch between them and have the option to record the media files for playback later.

I work in telecommunications and networking and I know that this is now technically possible even if it not not immediately feasible on a wide scale basis as it will have to be. But in any case some small pieces of the technology puzzle are still missing or not as robust as we need and at this precise moment not exactly a piece of cake to make happen.

I wrote about this more than a year ago in this forum and earlier elsewhere.

I said then that it is time to admit that blogs and text based media have their limits and we need to move beyond them to engage enough people to see our greater goals realized.


by leschwartz on Tue Jan 31, 2006 at 02:25:43 AM EST

Re: In Need of Further Edjamacation (none / 0)

I want to propose a specific set of projects that will help us move in this direction.

We (the greater internet community) need to gather information live as it happens at the time of the 2006 and 2008 elections. We can not rely on the corporate media to honestly cover elections any more.

We need live video/audio feeds from poling sites, community meeting sites and rallies.

We need those feeds to go to multiple internet host sites and we need to make those streams available to internet clients of those web sites.

This technology effort can start with political events leading up to the election.

Some entity like Air America which already has some of this technology in place might be persuaded to set the downstream side of this up for 2nd tier clients (web host sites) on a fee basis.


by leschwartz on Tue Jan 31, 2006 at 03:07:14 AM EST
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So many fsck-ups, so little time (3.00 / 1)

I am relatively new to following political blogs, and have been in more into watching and trying to understand instead of posting around....but I will add my two cents worth.

As some earlier have posted...it could all be just a lack of focus. But is that lack of focus really due to lack of leadership (just talking bout the blogosphere here)...or because the attention has been spread out amongst too many important and outrageous happenings in the past month.

Alito, NO still in shambles, NSA wiretapping, Iraq, Abramoff, etc...there were just too many things to take the attention away from a concerted effort to block Alito. In addition, the holiday break sucked the life out of any Alito movement, and there were other things to take its place.  I waited to see if there would be some Dem Party action after the break, but they all seemed resigned to defeat.

I personally believe it was the ongoing NSA wiretapping scandal that brought focus back on Alito's views on the Unitary Executive, that kicked people into gear and realizing that he was the key to overturning Roe v Wade, along with officially annointing King George (along with a bunch of other things). That late groundswell seemed to motivate Kerry and Kennedy into action to make this final push.

Hell I think the marginalization of the lefty blogosphere by Howell at the WaPost (and others) had really helped raise the outrage meter and pushed bloggers and readers into overdrive to prove that they were a force to be reckoned with.  This is when Alito finally got in the crosshairs of the pending tsunami.

I dont think the leadership has necessarily been bad, but there are too many important things going down at the same time to diffuse the message. Over the past couple of weeks I have seen some of the blogs working together better on hot button issues, and things will probably get a bit better in the future (along with new voices like Glenn Greenwald).  Things are coming together, and some of the right people higher up are starting to listen.


by zAmboni on Tue Jan 31, 2006 at 02:34:16 AM EST

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Chris,

In my view there was very little to discuss about the Alito nomination.  Or rather, discussing Alito himself in the context of his nomination was somewhat beside the point.  We all knew that he was bad and, at least in broad strokes, why he was bad.  I admit, all of the discussion about the Alito nomination prior to Kerry's call for a filibuster was informative, but information alone doesn't activate people.  So people read the blogs, stayed informed, and waited for a call to action that came way too late.  

What was needed was a lot of direction and organizing that just never happened.  I don't think the blogs themselves could have done this, and I am stunned that PFAW and other such groups were not fighting this thing harder and more intelligently. And so what ended up happening is that, when given something quick and easy to do, the blogosphere was able to massively mobilize. But we never really found a way of leveraging the strengths of the blogs to reach out and organize people who weren't already seeing eye to eye with us.  

It's interesting that there were endless posts about, say, Mrs. Alito's tears and the media's response to them.  But I didn't see any analyses during the hearings about who we could count on, who was iffy, who would almost definitely vote with the Republicans.  I think we had some idea, but I never saw anything that was politically sophisticated and brought people up to speed on the Democrats, their histories and predilections, their biases, pressure points, etc.  We all accepted Roberts' nomination in order to allow our leaders to keep their powder dry, but we never got any commitment from them that they'd pull the trigger if X, Y, or Z.  In sum, the blogosphere approached the nomination as if it were a debate and not a power play.  At least that's how it seems to me at this point.                

P.S. "Blogosphere" comes up as incorrect using the spellcheck function.  I'm very tired, so it seems unreasonably symbolic.  But anyway, thought you should know.  

   


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by Matt Lockshin on Tue Jan 31, 2006 at 02:38:27 AM EST

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Well put, Matt.  

There was no debate in the lefty blogosphere as to whether Alito should be confirmed, and there was near-universal acceptance that the filibuster was appropriate.  There wasn't much to do after that.

Among the amazing abilities of the Rove administration is the ability to be so terrible in so many ways that the people can't even keep up with them and thus ignore them.  In 2004, when the Democrats called Bush an idiot, a liar, a draft dodger, and an asshole, none of them stuck.  What was Kerry?  A flip-flopper.  What was Gore?  An exaggerator.  One idea, and it connected with so many people, regardless of its accuracy.  

Alito, as we have learned over the past many months, is a racist, a monarchist, someone who will say anything to get a job, a liar, a Bork clone, a Scalia clone, a Thomas clone, and anti-choice.  Had he just been crazy, like his idol Bork, it would have been easy.  But the Democrats are TERRIBLE marketers, and we couldn't sell Alito on his faults.  Hell, we couldn't even convince the nation that a man who has voted consistently against choice and has stated his goals to eliminate choice is going to overturn Roe.

But we were all convinced.  So what were we supposed to talk about?

And there is no need to discuss how badly the Dems screwed up the whole filibuster concept from the start.

Our Senators cut us off before we ever had a chance.  Feinstein killed us, choking off all momentum at the start long before her eventual flip flop.  

The problem with the blogosphere is that it has no votes.  Russ Feingold, the winner of the straw poll every month, was in hiding.  Tough guy Harry Reid talked politics but not issues.  Even Ted Kennedy made no real effort to lead the filibuster publicly.  Kerry's effort was reminiscent of an SNL skit from the '90s, when the students all raised their hands only after the teacher gave the answer.  Leave it to a Democrat to raise his hand after the issue is dead.

Our leaders are paralyzed with fear.  Large majorities in this country support choice, support civil unions, but our leaders would never submit to these wacko liberals that make up the United States of America.  They are so scared of being called liberals that they refuse to be liberals or even representatives.  The Democrats -- folks like us -- spoke up, but our leaders wouldn't listen.

We will continue to fight for them.  But if they refuse to fight for us, come November, there's a chance that we are stuck with 2 more years of this crap.  And if that's the case, we might have to start fighting for ourselves.


by ZamboniGuy on Tue Jan 31, 2006 at 04:06:04 PM EST
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I read the posts here and Armando's posts on Alito. But there was never any post organizing the community to act. What I mean was providing links with the tools - phone & fax numbers, email addresses.

The leading blogs like MyDD, Dkos, etc should have camapign sections that are focused on campaigns on issues with an action plan that enables folks to get engaged.

What these last few days proves is that we have a very energetic base that wants to be heard and is willing to take risks and act.

My suggestion is that influential liberal blogs start a 2006 primary campaign section. The focus here should be action oriented not opining. Specific actionable agenda should be the theme. Let's harness this energy to support and elect real liberals and take-no-prisoners fighters during the coming primary season.

Next let's take the campaign that has been launched against the right wing traditional media shills to the next level by having measurable goals of forcing advertisers on Hardball, etc to fold.

We can make it if blogs can transform some of the traffic and energy of the community to a gale force wind on a specific target.


by ab initio on Tue Jan 31, 2006 at 02:56:21 AM EST

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What?

Judibrowni attached a list of links and contacts to every diary that was even tangentially related to Alito.

People complained about it, even.

There was no lack of information on that front that I can tell.


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by Flynnieous on Tue Jan 31, 2006 at 11:10:54 AM EST
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Various people with heads up their asses are now whining how they need a Great Leader and Why Did He Come Too Late, and they're unpacking all their usual anti-snob and internalized serfdom baggage.  It's sad to watch.

I joined in this thing because it was in a sense too late.  I knew that all the power-hungry opportunists and losers and defeatists weren't going to show up and be counted.   This was Dreyfusard territory- it might just work, but the virtue was in doing it and seeing who would show and give of themselves in what was probably a lost cause.

We now have a tally- we have 25 hardcore Democrats in the Senate and the backing for them.  The Right has squeezed Democrats down to their core and the core has begun pushing back successfully.  About 20 Democratic Senators now know themselves badly humiliated in the eyes of their own activists and colleagues, maybe having won survival from their electorate but lost all dignity and face.  Obama and Feinstein realized they were never going to hear the end of it if they voted for cloture.  Others not fare as well.

Similarly, 5-10 moderate Republican Senators and 5-10 hardliners already in trouble with their constituents are looking at a resurgent activist Democratic grassroots opposition out for blood.  The first controversial 5-4 from the Court in which Alito was one of the majority, whether he goes too far to the Right or sells the Right out, is going to cost them- and they know it.

Beyond that, the real game was to psychologically set the stage for when the next such nominee comes through- the Kerry-Kennedy effort is about making all the moderate cavers-in pay a political price.  It will take a few weeks or months to extract all of this price, but the idea is that moderates and Republicans shouldn't have enough left to spread around to get another Right winger through prior to the next elections.  Elections in which some number of them will pay the usual price- losing office- and be replaced by people who won't repeat their mistakes.


by killjoy on Tue Jan 31, 2006 at 03:33:35 AM EST

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