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Re: Ok Fine - Let's Talk About Misstatements (2.00 / 1)

An admirable attempt to change the subject!

I'll just take one of Senator Obama's "misstatements" -- that he referred to himself as a professor when he was only a lecturer.  

I spent a decade in a large research university as doctoral candidate, teaching assistant, and administrator.  As part of my administrative work, I managed lists of professors in all of our ten graduate schools.  "Lecturer" is a title related to someone's place in the academic hierarchy, akin to "Assistant Professor," "Associate Professor," or "Full Professor."  No one actually uses these titles when speaking about a professor, unless their specific focus is the academic hierarchy.  No one would ever refer to someone as "Assistant Professor Smith" or "Lecturer Obama," for that matter.  Certainly, the titles get used when the focus is on the person's place in the hierarchy, but it's not what people think of first -- unless they're focused on tenure or something like that. The simple way to think about is that, when professors talk about what they do, they call themselves "professor"; when they're focused on their seniority, they use titles like "lecturer" or "assistant professor."

In other words, all of Obama's students would have called him "Professor Obama."  When asked which professor taught a class, they would have said, "Professor Obama," rather than pointedly saying, "It's not a professor teaching the class.  It's Lecturer Obama."

Thus, there is absolutely no misstatement in Senator Obama's having referred to himself as a constitutional law professor.  If the follow-up question had been, "Were you tenure track?", he would have said, "No, I was a lecturer."

This whole "Obama called himself a professor when he was really just a lecturer business" business is silly.  Even if there were something to it, which there isn't, it's a pretty pathetic counterpart to Senator Clinton's false statements regarding Tuzla.


by deminva on Wed Mar 26, 2008 at 09:14:28 AM EST
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Re: Ok Fine - Let's Talk About Misstatements (none / 0)

This is the lead off "misstatement" from Obama?  That he called himself a "professor" when he was a "lecturer"?  Really?  

Pardon me while I piss my pants laughing.

When I taught as a lecturer I was introduced as "professor" by colleagues in classes as well as during faculty-only meetings where I was introduced to a colleague ("Jim, hey, I want you to meet our newest professor, Lars Thorwald.  Lars is a lecturer this semester in the new regulatory course...").

Ask a tenured professor whether he or she thinks it is a misstatement.  

Now ask a veteran whether telling a tall tale about ducking and running to a car without a greeting ceremony because you were taking sniper fire (Clinton: "That is what happened") is a misstatement.  Or if they care.

You will get too very different answers.

This diary is the worst sort of parsing and dissembling I have read in a very long time.  It's Clintonian.  


by LarsThorwald on Wed Mar 26, 2008 at 10:35:21 AM EST
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Re: Ok Fine - Let's Talk About Misstatements (none / 0)

er, two very different answers.  Pardon the typo.  I was...sleep deprived.  


by LarsThorwald on Wed Mar 26, 2008 at 10:36:26 AM EST
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Keeping the Record Straight (2.00 / 0)

I have an attorney in Pennsylvania.  When I was considering hiring him I asked what his qualifications were.  He listed being an "adjunct law professor" at Duchesne University, a perfectly correct title.

Later, in an e-mail to associates, copied to him, I referred to him as a "law professor". He was quick to correct me.  "I'm not a full professor.  I'm a lecturer."

An honorable man would leave no doubt as to what his actual status was.  My attorney certainly didn't, and he wasn't running for President.


by creeper1014 on Wed Mar 26, 2008 at 10:52:10 AM EST
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Your attorney's two responses capture exactly what I'm talking about.  On a resume, an honorable person would be precise and write "Lecturer, University of Chicago School of Law."  But when you're talking about what you're doing, you don't say "I'm a constitutional law lecturer."  No one does--just as Lars says.

A simple way to think about the distinction is whether or not the word you're using should be capitalized.  Obama's title was "Lecturer," but his job was as a "constitutional law professor." In the same vein, I have a Ph.D. in English, so if anyone actually knew this, they might choose to refer to me as "Doctor Deminva," although I certainly don't work as a doctor.

As your attorney's response indicates, it's not uncommon for an adjunct professor to include the word adjunct when talking about what he or she does -- precisely because it's just an adjective added to the common word, i.e., professor.  

Bottom line: If you or anyone else can find any campus in the US where students say things like "Hey, who's the lecturer for that course?" or "Hi, Lecturer Jackson!", then you may have a case.  

Note, too, that as a state legislator, Senator Obama most likely had the title of Lecturer because he wasn't full-time faculty or because his legislative duties precluded his involvement in the sorts of things that tenure-track faculty do besides classroom teaching.  It wasn't that he couldn't get hired as an Assistant or Associate Professor at Chicago.


by deminva on Wed Mar 26, 2008 at 03:16:06 PM EST
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Re: "Hi, Lecturer Jackson" (none / 0)

Your bottom line is not relevant to the question.

Bottom line: If you or anyone else can find any campus in the US where students say things like "Hey, who's the lecturer for that course?" or "Hi, Lecturer Jackson!", then you may have a case.

We are not talking about common usage among college students.  We are talking about a statement made by the candidate himself as recently as 2007  

"`I was a constitutional law professor, which means unlike the current president I actually respect the Constitution,' Obama told an audience at a campaign fundraiser." (Brendan Farrington, "Obama: Bush Fails To Respect The Constitution," The Associated Press, 3/30/07)

as well as in those earlier direct-mail pieces alegre mentioned, issued for Obama's primary [Senate] campaign.

Source:  Chicago Sun Times, Aug. 8, 2004 (Lynn Sweet, "Obama's Book: What's Real, What's Not" )

If my lawyer could be honest about it, why couldn't Barack Obama?


by creeper1014 on Wed Mar 26, 2008 at 05:07:07 PM EST
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Re: "Hi, Lecturer Jackson" (none / 0)

He was a constitutional law professor -- with the title of Lecturer.  It's the difference between asking someone what they do and what their rank is -- many of us have precisely analogous job names and separate official titles.  I used to joke with my mother about how proud she must be to have a son who was an "Agency Management Analyst -- General."  That was my official title from HR's perspective.


by deminva on Thu Mar 27, 2008 at 07:12:42 PM EST
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Re: Ok Fine - Let's Talk About Misstatements (none / 0)

Article in Sun Times: February 12, 2007

http://www.suntimes.com/news/politics/ob ama/253391,CST-NWS-prof12.article (same Sunday Times that said he calls himself a professor when he's not)

Professor Obama was a listener, students say

'nuff said.


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by Tommy Flanagan on Wed Mar 26, 2008 at 11:35:56 AM EST
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