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I may be confused... (2.00 / 5)

...Or maybe I missed it on the news, but can someone please tell me when Sen. Obama received the requisite number of delegates to clinch the Democratic nomination for the office of President of the United States on the first ballot?

Until either candidate receives a majority of the delegate votes cast, there is no winner and there is no loser.

My candidate, Hillary Clinton, has not lost.  Your candidate, Barack Obama, has not won.

Until either candidate reaches a "majority vote of the Convention's delegates" (that's from the Call for the 2008 Democratic National Convention in case you were wondering) this race is not over and there are no winners or losers.


by andrewalker08 on Mon Mar 17, 2008 at 08:48:41 PM EST
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It's over... (none / 0)

FL is not re-voting. Obama will lead in every metric. Go discuss it on the last post and come back here when you catch up.


by Erik on Mon Mar 17, 2008 at 09:07:09 PM EST
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Is it not true... (2.00 / 2)

...That Article VIII.C.7.b. of the Call for the 2008 Democratic National Convention says "A majority vote of the Convention's delegates shall be required to nominate the presidential candidate"; and

Is it not further true that Appendix B of the Call for the 2008 Democratic National Convention sets the total number of Convention delegate votes at 4,049; and

Is it not further true that a majority of the 4,049 Convention delegate votes is equal to 2,024.5 Convention delegate votes; and

Is it not further true that as of March 17, 2008, neither Hillary Clinton or Barack Obama have the requisite number of Convention delegate votes required to nominate the presidential candidate; and

Is it not further true that if Hillary Clinton nor Barack Obama have the requisite number of Convention delegate votes, then any assertion that either one of those two candidates have "won" or "lost" is incorrect?


by andrewalker08 on Mon Mar 17, 2008 at 09:16:12 PM EST
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Re: Is it not true... (none / 0)

Speaking of delegates - there's a "Breaking Blue" post about another superdelegate for Obama.
But earlier today - MSNBC reported this wasn't an addition because she was already a delegate.

I don't believe they can be counted twice.


Hillary/Obama08
by annefrank on Mon Mar 17, 2008 at 09:25:43 PM EST
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How is Clinton gonna get superdelegates? (none / 0)

If she can't win caucuses. It's over. Get used to it.


by Erik on Mon Mar 17, 2008 at 09:36:22 PM EST
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Re: How is Clinton gonna get superdelegates? (2.00 / 2)

I can't help but notice you've done everything you can to change the subject. Are you able to discuss the content of the diary?


Yes, I am a Clintonista for Obama.
by Denny Crane on Mon Mar 17, 2008 at 09:40:25 PM EST
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I'm replying to space cadets like you Kirk (none / 0)

It(wright) won't matter because the recession will be so bad that no one will want McCain/Bush/Republicanism economic policies.


by Erik on Mon Mar 17, 2008 at 09:59:56 PM EST
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Re: I'm replying to space cadets like you Kirk (none / 0)

I'll take that as a "no, I can't discuss the content of the diary.  I'm busy changing the subject".


Yes, I am a Clintonista for Obama.
by Denny Crane on Tue Mar 18, 2008 at 03:50:42 PM EST
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Re: I may be confused... (none / 0)

BHO is very likely to meet the threshold before the convention (I'd say around middle of June). Care to take a wager? The only reason this ain't over thus far is because the superdels are waiting for the "vetting" process to play itself out.

Once Obama gives his speech regarding the role of race in the nomination process thus far (and in American society in general), the superdels will have had all their concerns addressed (in no small part due to Hillary fighting tooth and nail for the nomination; so she definitely deserves kudos in that respect).

A whole can of whupass is about to open up on HRC regarding her prevarication on things like earmarks, Clinton library donations, business/PAC/lobbyist connections, tax returns etc.

Face it. Every single so-called scandal that was supposed to have decimated the Obama campaign has, heretofore, done squat to slow him down. Obama will most likely be the Democratic nominee for POTUS. And he's gonna win with or without your vote. So stock up on the Xanax -- you're evidently going to need lots it!


I love all people ... even fundamentally flawed ones -- me.
by pitahole on Mon Mar 17, 2008 at 09:12:57 PM EST
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Re: I may be confused... (2.00 / 3)

Of course, Obama doesn't need boomers, the working class, Catholics, or Latinos to win the General.
He'll have all those Repub and Indy "Dems for a day" standing in longgggg lines to vote for HIM.
Hillary/Obama08
by annefrank on Mon Mar 17, 2008 at 09:33:46 PM EST
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right (none / 0)

and Clinton does not need Obama supporters


-- be excellent to each other
by kindthoughts on Mon Mar 17, 2008 at 09:43:47 PM EST
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Re: I may be confused... (2.00 / 1)

Bill Clinton himself said that most Democrats think both candidates would make a good President, they just favor one or the other right now. I really don't find this notion that even a significant minority of people will wake up after we choose a nominee, either one, and say "well... I used to care about the economy and the courts, I thought health care was a good thing, the war mattered to me, but, well, gee, I guess I'll just vote against my conscience and my values and everything I wanted for the country, 'cuz gosh darn it, the other person beat my favorite candidate." I really can't see any likelihood of that happening outside a few pissed-off residents of the blogosphere. I suppose it's a bit more likely if Hillary were the nominee; Obama's supporters do have a higher percentage of Independents and weak Republicans who might switch over. Even then, though, they're looking for some level of change, and McCain sure likes more of the same even more than does Hillary Clinton. I'm not saying either can just take the others' supporters "for granted". There needs to be reaching out and inclusion. There needs to be some time for people to adjust and come together. But I've seen people jumping up and down saying that people will never support <X> if they support <Y> now... and it very seldom happens that way. Polling data also partly contradicts your view, or at least says it makes less of a difference than you're thinking. In Ohio, for instance, both candidates poll the same vs. McCain. That's true in some states. In others there's a little swing either way... in a few bigger swings. But in very few of them (Arkansas may be the only counterexample, and there are obvious reasons for it) is the swing so pronounced that you could conclude that the voters are saying, if not Hillary/Obama than McCain, in any truly large number.
by Texas Gray Wolf on Mon Mar 17, 2008 at 11:40:43 PM EST
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Re: I may be confused... (none / 0)

I'll take that wager. What are we wagering that no one will meet the threshold before convention? That is unless a mutual deal is strike by BOTH candidates?


by Marvin42 on Mon Mar 17, 2008 at 09:34:54 PM EST
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Re: I may be confused... (none / 0)

Ohmygod ... that is so pathetic.

Your guy's chances of winning in November are absolutely crashing down all around your feet (just look at the reaction on that graph) and as long as he wins the nomination you really don't care ... I'm not sure there's a word for that level of cynicism. So much for "hope" ...


by ColoradoGuy on Mon Mar 17, 2008 at 10:32:53 PM EST
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