That Baptists did not hire him may not be a bad thing.
Ah yes, those Baptists would never hire a good preacher like Martin Luther King, Jr. would they?
Your hate is overwhleming your rational mind.
The UCC is a mainstream Protestant group.
OK..... I never said the UCC wasn't protestant. I said Wright wasn't a moderate. And he isn't. So how does that make me a hater?
It's easy. What specifically do you object to from his speeches? That Black people are oppressed in the USA?
Do you mean the misinformation part, or the anti-American part, or...?
Let's start with one simple example of misinformation. Jesus was brown-skinned, like an Arab, not black. And if Wright doesn't think there is a difference he needs to go read how the Arabs wrongly treated the darker skinned Moors as second class. Arabs are not black and neither was Jesus. And even if all the Roman soldiers were from Italy, which they weren't, Italians aren't exactly white either. So it was wrong to say that white people crucified a black Jesus. And that is just the start of a lot of odd misinformation from someone who has two masters degrees and should know better.
But all of that is a minor quibble compared to the God D**n America part of that one sermon. I definitely object to that. One can have black pride without that.
Are you saying that misinformation is OK? Or is it the hatred toward America that you approve?
"Jesus was brown-skinned, like an Arab, not black"
Yikes!!! But I'll take the bait. I am Black and was just in Egypt 2 moths ago. Arabs there thought I was Arab they said I had their skin tone. Also many Arabs are "Nubian".
"And even if all the Roman soldiers were from Italy, which they weren't, Italians aren't exactly white either" While I could point out your hair splitting is quite petty I will just leave at this. Romans are European and the whole thing was what some of us like to call an analogy.
"But all of that is a minor quibble compared to the God D**n America part of that one sermon." Yeah I guess Black people should be greatful for their treatment in the US especially those of us that were to criminal to fly ourselves out New Orleans, get our selves off of Death row after being wrongfully convicted at a rate of %50 percent or allowing White excons to be more desirable to employers than a Black male with a college degree. I LOVE THIS COUNTRY!
I see you haven't read how the Arabs treated the dark-skinned Moors either. And I see you are OK with the God d**n America statement as well, making excuses for it. I'm sorry, but that is unacceptable to me and to by far the majority of black people I talk to.
I have read watched and listened about the moors that ran Spain and were at the vanguard of Islamic culture and world cultural up until Queen Isabela and her Husband began Christianizing the Iberian peninsula. Cordoba and Anda Lucia were the 2 most modern cities in Europe (by European standards)at the time under Islamic Moor rule. But so what? Are you saying that Wrights analogy about modern day White racism as presently directed to Arabs, Muslims, Iraqis, Blacks, etc would be better suited if he had compared White people to Arab slave traders? I guess that will work too. But in the end that particular aspect of his sermons are extremely trivial. Did you actually see a sermon or did you just see the snippets on FOX? Because I think if you actually have watched one you should be able to think of one detail that would be more substantial than what you have provided so far.
You missed the part I was talking about. Around 711 AD the Arabs decided to invade Spain and basically subcontracted the invasion to the darker skinned Moors. (Tariq, the Moorish chieftain at the time, is the one for whom Gibraltar is named.) After the Moors did the heavy lifting, the lighter-skinned Arabs came in and tried to take the best for themselves and leave the rest for the Moors. To their credit, the Moors told the Arabs to take a hike and kept all of Spain that they had conquered, refusing to be treated as second class servants by the Arabs. You can start reading here.
Maybe you should think about that the next time you try and defend that nonsense about white Europeans crucifying a black Jesus. Those weren't all Europeans in the Roman army, they weren't all "white" and Jesus was a Jew, not a Nubian or other dark-skinned African. And there is a difference.
Your argument as you have presented is so far is about a relatively obscure historical detail compared to the level of outrage. I doubt all these histrionics that have heard on cable television are due to Wrights getting his historical details correct. As such it is extremely petty and superficial. As I have said before if you have something more substantial then let me know. I dont think you are presenting the view of the average person that claims to be offened by Wrights sermons.
This is your answer to historical examples showing a known difference between Arabs and people of darker skin? An example that shows just what a load of crap that Wright's claims are? bwahahahahahaha Come back when you have a real refutation please. I find that part of Wright's sermon an HUGE insult to people who try to present legitimate historical detail behind biblical events.
Race is all relative anyways. Although you are most likely correct that Jesus was a Jew, and probably not a dark-skinned black person, he we are talking about the black Jeremiah Wright and the black Barack Obama, neither of whom is anything close to dark-skinned, yet we still call them black. I'm quite sure that if Moses could pass for Egyptian, if Jesus had been born in America, he could've passed for black.
Yes you are right that he could have passed for black if born in the USA. But that isn't what Wright is saying.
Take one look at New Orleans and Jena in a state where Democrats had ample opportunity to make a difference. Goddamn America indeeed is a fair sentiment. I don't feel quite that way, but I can understand why an African American would.
Let's face it, white people are lucky that blacks did not hunt down every racist or person who condoned the racists and mete out justice after the 60s.
Judging by these clips, I fail to see the outrage. Now he may have said some stupid crap that is not in these clips. But this diary needs to provide more instances. This youtube compilation doesnt cut it.
ANd BTW, since you made an offhand reference to oppression and perhaps meant to refer to Cone's version of liberation theology.... Anyone who thinks that black people are the only ones oppressed in America, or that all black people are oppressed, has to wilfully ignore the poverty in Appalachia and things like the existence of a supertanker named after Condoleeza Rice, and other black multi-millionaires. And if that person is in Chicago, he has to ignore the huge house Barack Obama lives in and his wife's six figure salary(s), not to mention all the money and property of Oprah Winfrey.
1) No I was not talking about liberation theology. The language that Wright uses is pretty standard for people that experience oppression. Remember Katrina?
2)Who thinks Black people are the only ones that are oppressed in America? When or who have said otherwise? I certainly know that there are many large communities that are oppressed according to gender,class and sexual preference to name just a few. Did you know that the Black Panthers attempted to organize poor Whites in Appalachia in the 70s? Or that Black and White farmers tried to found a polictical party in Oklahoma to empower rural America? American history is full of examples where White reached out to Black, Blacks reached out to Whites, Native American, Latinons. However what I find interesting is that you bring up White class oppresion as an excuse to dismiss and invalidate legit criticisms of the disenfranchisement of Blacks in this country. The sad things that have been happening in Appalachia does not justify what has been happening to Black all over the country. That point you try to make by brining up Oprah Winfrey and the Super tanker named after C.R.is quite ridiculous. Black people are still pulled over in much higher number, are wrongfully on death row in greater numbers etc etc. I recently saw a study that employers would rather employ a White excon with no college education than a Black applicant with a College degree. And Hurricane Katrina? Do you think if the media hadn't presented that as a Black disaster. Naming the few exceptions does not signify anything.
I brought up liberation theology because Wright says he follows James Cone. The idea of black equalling oppressed is part of that discussion. Not all black people are oppressed. And not only black people are oppressed. I am not trying to downplay legitimate discussions of disenfranchisement of black people. Certainly there is still plenty to talk aobut there. But I am trying to further rational discussion divorced from the hyperbole I see in the writings of Cone.
Not when it comes at the expense of painting another Democrat as a racist.
