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Re: That is such a non-sequiter. (none / 0)

I see you haven't read how the Arabs treated the dark-skinned Moors either.  And I see you are OK with the God d**n America statement as well, making excuses for it.  I'm sorry, but that is unacceptable to me and to by far the majority of black people I talk to.


by Mike Pridmore on Sun Mar 16, 2008 at 09:46:54 PM EST
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I have read watched and listened about the moors that ran Spain and were at the vanguard of Islamic culture and world cultural up until Queen Isabela and her Husband began Christianizing the Iberian peninsula. Cordoba and Anda Lucia were the 2 most modern cities in Europe (by European standards)at the time under Islamic Moor rule. But so what? Are you saying that Wrights analogy about modern day White racism as presently directed to Arabs, Muslims, Iraqis, Blacks, etc would be better suited if he had compared White people to Arab slave traders? I guess that will work too. But in the end that particular aspect of his sermons are extremely trivial. Did you actually see a sermon or did you just see the snippets on FOX? Because I think if you actually have watched one you should be able to think of one detail that would be more substantial than what you have provided so far.


by TMP on Sun Mar 16, 2008 at 10:41:40 PM EST
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You missed the part I was talking about.  Around 711 AD the Arabs decided to invade Spain and basically subcontracted the invasion to the darker skinned Moors. (Tariq, the Moorish chieftain at the time, is the one for whom Gibraltar is named.)  After the Moors did the heavy lifting, the lighter-skinned Arabs came in and tried to take the best for themselves and leave the rest for the Moors.  To their credit, the Moors told the Arabs to take a hike and kept all of Spain that they had conquered, refusing to be treated as second class servants by the Arabs.  You can start reading here.

Maybe you should think about that the next time you try and defend that nonsense about white Europeans crucifying a black Jesus.  Those weren't all Europeans in the Roman army, they weren't all "white" and Jesus was a Jew, not a Nubian or other dark-skinned African.  And there is a difference.


by Mike Pridmore on Sun Mar 16, 2008 at 10:59:37 PM EST
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Re: That is such a non-sequiter. (none / 0)

Your argument as you have presented is so far is about a relatively obscure historical detail compared to the level of outrage. I doubt all these histrionics that have heard on cable television are due to Wrights getting his historical details correct. As such it is extremely petty and superficial. As I have said before if you have something more substantial then let me know. I dont think you are presenting the view of the average person that claims to be offened by Wrights sermons.


by TMP on Sun Mar 16, 2008 at 11:31:17 PM EST
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This is your answer to historical examples showing a  known difference between Arabs and people of darker skin?  An example that shows just what a load of crap that Wright's claims are?  bwahahahahahaha  Come back when you have a real refutation please. I find that part of Wright's sermon an HUGE insult to people who try to present legitimate historical detail behind biblical events.


by Mike Pridmore on Sun Mar 16, 2008 at 11:54:45 PM EST
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Race is all relative anyways. Although you are most likely correct that Jesus was a Jew, and probably not a dark-skinned black person, he we are talking about the black Jeremiah Wright and the black Barack Obama, neither of whom is anything close to dark-skinned, yet we still call them black. I'm quite sure that if Moses could pass for Egyptian, if Jesus had been born in America, he could've passed for black.


by dmc2 on Mon Mar 17, 2008 at 12:17:13 AM EST
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Yes you are right that he could have passed for black if born in the USA.  But that isn't what Wright is saying.


by Mike Pridmore on Mon Mar 17, 2008 at 10:37:09 AM EST
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