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Intelligent Design... (none / 0)

Count me as one of the wackos who believes in both evolution and intelligent design. By which I mean, I believe God created the universe, or at minimum the beginning force that evolved to present day.

As to the seven day Bible creationist story, I have no problem in believing God could have taken seven days, in the sense they were seven equal time frames.

God's version of "days," not ours.

Consider me a born-again Christian in the true meaning of these words.

I place my faith in God and vote for Democratic candidates who mirror Christ's command on earth.  "Love your neighbor as yourself."

If any person in interested in reading more of my personal musings, read my post at http://howlinglatina.blogspot.com.

by notime4lies on Tue Aug 30, 2005 at 06:05:09 PM EST

But You Don't Believe In Speaking Honestly (3.00 / 0)

"Intelligent design" is a propaganda term. It has no scientific content whatsoever, but it pretends to. One simply cannot believe in it and believe in evolution at the same time.

You go on to say, "By which I mean, I believe God created the universe, or at minimum the beginning force that evolved to present day."  But that's not even theistic evolution, much less "intelligent design."

The spectrum goes something like this:

Complete naturalism (Account of modern science with no dependence on supernatural explanation. No attempt to link realms of mythos and logos.): Universe happened. Live emerged from non-living matter. Life evolved via genetic differentiation and natural selection.

Theistic creation (Creation as believed in by Deists like Jefferson, plus evolution ala modern science): God created universe capable of supporting life. Live emerged from non-living matter. Life evolved via genetic differentiation and natural selection.  

[You seem to be somewhere in here.]

Theistic evolution (Account of modern science with conscious effort to articulate loose connection between the realms of logos and mythos): God created universe capable of supporting life, and played some role in (a) getting things started, (b) implanting the human soul, or (c) guiding evolution in ways consistent with naturalistic evolution.

Intelligent design: God created the universe, but we won't come out and say it, because then people will identify us with the Creationists, which we are really, but we're pretending we're not. God created life, but we won't come out and say it, because then people will identify us with the Creationists, which we are really, but we're pretending we're not. Evolution happens, but some things are too complicated to evolve.  We can't tell you what they are, they just are. (Or, rather, when we've tried to tell you, we've turned up with egg on our faces.)  And these things are created by God.  But we won't come out and say it was God, because then people will identify us with the Creationists, which we are really, but we're pretending we're not.

Creationists: God did it. And you're going to Hell because you doubt my word!

If you're saying what you said because you were unclear, I hope this clears it up for you.

If not, you fall into the category of people who are doing the Creationists work for them, by spreading the confusion even more subtly than the IDers.  In that case, I really wish you'd stop.

The only reason people have to do this is foolish pride. (Trying to act superior to the rest of us, supposedly narrow-minded folks.)  Which is not rated higly in the Bible. Or in science.

by Paul Rosenberg on Tue Aug 30, 2005 at 06:47:45 PM EST
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Re: Intelligent Design... (none / 0)

I believe in Intelligent Design as well, however...

Intelligent Design is NOT science.

It falls somewhere between philosophy and religion and should be regarded as such.

by wayward on Tue Aug 30, 2005 at 08:01:27 PM EST
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No, Intelligent Design Falls (none / 0)

Somewhere between three-card monte and beachfront property in Arizona.
by Paul Rosenberg on Tue Aug 30, 2005 at 09:49:39 PM EST
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