House GOP Supports Wilson's Disgrace of Chamber

Republicans apparently believe it's alright to breach more than 200 years of decorum by slandering the President of the United States to his face on the floor of the House of Representatives.

House Minority Leader John Boehner (R-Ohio) is voting no on Tuesday's expected resolution condemning Rep. Joe Wilson (R-SC) -- and a GOP letter calling for other Republicans to hold the line is gathering steam.

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Tags: 111th Congress, House Republicans, Joe Wilson (all tags)

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Re: House GOP Supports Wilson's Disgrace

No insult to you or the Prez, Jonathan.

Good riddance to decorum.  Wish we'd had more of that prior to Vietnam, the Reagan Revolution, and during W's term.  I'll settle for an end to it now.

by SuperCameron 2009-09-14 11:43AM | 0 recs
An end to decorum

I agree, and the next GOPer who becomes president better have a thicker skin than the last one. It could get very ugly.

by Spiffarino 2009-09-14 11:58AM | 0 recs
What? Why?

Is it really getting in the way when we ask for people to be polite during a president's speech before a joint session of Congress?

Really?

Obama says that we can disagree without being disagreeable.  I'd rather see that instead of heckling the president... ANY president... as a common phoenominon.

by Dracomicron 2009-09-14 12:04PM | 0 recs
Re: What? Why?

I have yet to see anything to convince me that any President in my lifetime has been deserving of deference or respect.  I think Jesse Ventura said it best.  He was talking about how he started receiving letters addressed to "The Honorable Jesse Ventura".  His comment was something to the effect of "I win an election and that makes me honorable?"

If Obama can't take a good heckling, he can resign immediately and confront those demons from the comfort of his mansion.

by SuperCameron 2009-09-14 06:31PM | 0 recs
Whatever

Nobody even suggested that Obama couldn't "take" heckling.  He clearly dealt with the interruption and moved on (and accepted the dude's half-apology later).

Now, I do love my Jesse Ventura, but his problem was that he didn't demand respect (and a hostile legislature sure wasn't just going to hand it to him), and wasn't able to get much of his agenda (except the light rail, and bless him for it) passed.  If he'd been less of a crankypants and more of a leader in the spirit of what the public wanted when they elected him, then maybe he would've been more successful, and perhaps even ran for another term.

Public service is honorable at its core.

by Dracomicron 2009-09-15 05:18AM | 0 recs
Re: House GOP Supports Wilson's Disgrace

I agree. The Democrats do not get it. Wilson's sillyh outburst was nothing compared to the lies in the Bush administration. Yet our party people can only muster outrage when it comes to trivial crap like this. TO hell with decorum when important issues are at stake. My only concern in Wilson's issue is the lying part. He couldn't back it up. But if he did, I have no problem with him doing it even if it was ideologically different from what we think.

by Pravin 2009-09-14 12:45PM | 0 recs
Re: House GOP Supports Wilson's Disgrace

Didn't the Dems back Wilson's accusation when they changed the legislation to specifically require proof of citizenship to get access to the new healthcare exchange?

by tpeichel 2009-09-14 12:52PM | 0 recs
No.

Excising a talking point is not the same as acknowledging the vailidity of the outburst.

It's really frakking sad that so many of us voted for the guy who wanted to change the tone of Washington, then proceeded to validate the us-vs-them bully politics that Bush was so good at.

by Dracomicron 2009-09-14 01:10PM | 0 recs
Re: No.

The idea of Decorum (versus actual decorum )is what ruined washington. Some issues are too important for that. The Iraq war required democrats to fight with at least the same amount of anger the Repubs are showing for lesser issues. It was a war crime to let that war go on. Yet Democrats were afraid to look angry. What good did their bending over backwards do them? Not a thing. Being civil is good only when the other side recognizes it and reciprocates out of shame. Otherwise you gotta give them a taste of their own medicine to make the bully back off.

One can argue and still be courteous. But there are times when one can adopt a more attention getting measure when convention methods fail. One is at risk of looking like a fool, of course. Joe Wilson took that risk and is paying for it. No need for censure.

by Pravin 2009-09-14 11:55PM | 0 recs
Alright

I agree that Democrats should stand their ground, but they should do it in the proper forum.  For example, Joe Wilson chose the wrong forum, and it's perfectly legitimate for the House to police its own.

by Dracomicron 2009-09-15 05:09AM | 0 recs
No

because they didn't change the legislation, only added a redundant provision.

by DTOzone 2009-09-14 01:22PM | 0 recs
Re: No
I thought HR 3200 had a clause allowing non-citizens to buy into the new healthcare exchange, but they were not elgible for any of the subsidies.
I believe the new language completely disallows non-citizens from participating in the exchange, but they will still be able to buy private insurance outside of the exchange.
Is that incorrect?
by tpeichel 2009-09-14 01:54PM | 0 recs
Non citizens

meaning legal immigration, foreigners who work and live here LEGALLY.

illegal immigrants cannot and will not sign up for the exchange because when they do, they'd be busted and deported and their employers fined.

by DTOzone 2009-09-14 02:11PM | 0 recs
Re: Non citizens

I'm not arguing the point on if they'd sign up or not, I'm arguing that they changed the meaning of the legislation after the President's speech.

The Congressional Research Service put out a report on this very issue.

http://media.sfexaminer.com/documents/no ncitizens.pdf

Here is the clause about the exchange.

Exchange
Under H.R. 3200, a "Health Insurance Exchange" would begin operation in 2013 and would offer
private plans alongside a public option. The Exchange would not be an insurer; it would provide
eligible individuals and small businesses with access to insurers' plans, including the public
option, in a comparable way. Individuals would only be eligible to enroll in an Exchange plan if
they were not enrolled in other acceptable coverage (for example, from an employer, Medicare
and generally Medicaid). H.R. 3200 does not contain any restrictions on noncitzens--whether
legally or illegally present, or in the United States temporarily or permanently--participating in
the Exchange.
However, as discussed above, H.R. 3200 would only mandate that resident aliens
would be required to have health insurance.

If the CRS Report is accurate, then the legislation has clearly changed.

by tpeichel 2009-09-14 04:30PM | 0 recs
Well considering

it was Max Baucus and Kent Conrad who put in the new provision and HR 3200 is the HOUSE bill, then no, the legislation hasn't changed because Baucus and Conrad aren't working with HR 3200, they're working with a Senate bill (HR=House bill)

by DTOzone 2009-09-14 05:28PM | 0 recs
Re: Well considering

Hmmm, if that's the case, I wonder if H.R. 3200 will keep the language unchanged which would be in direct contrast to the Senate bill and to President Obama.

by tpeichel 2009-09-14 06:46PM | 0 recs
Re: House GOP Supports Wilson's Disgrace

It doesn't have to be either-or.  Members of Congress can maintain decorum and hold presidents accountable. Remember Watergate?   Jettisoning civility really isn't a necessary means for members of Congress to uphold the oath to the Constitution that they've all sworn to.

by Rob in Vermont 2009-09-14 01:51PM | 0 recs
Re: House GOP Supports Wilson's Disgrace

Ummm.... What???!!!

Civility and courtesy are not too much to ask of our politicians.

If we were to adopt your attitude statesmanship would be completely dead.

We need to expect better from our elected officials and the fact that you want to see worse is distressing and depressing.

by JDF 2009-09-14 01:55PM | 0 recs
Re: House GOP Supports Wilson's Disgrace

Challenging those in authority is a public good.  Sitting silent while they ram policies you disagree with down your throat is a public disgrace.  He disagreed, he thought Obama was lying, he made sure everyone knew.  I disagree with him, but support the tactic 100%.  I can promise you that I would not have sat quietly through Bush's many pro-war addresses.  Let them haul me out kicking and screaming, at least I didn't go down without a fight.

The President was on Congress's turf.  They shouldn't be afraid to put it on him.

by SuperCameron 2009-09-14 06:36PM | 0 recs
Turf?

A presidential address to a joint session of Congress is, historically, the president's "turf," if anything is.  The building it's in doesn't matter.

Anything Wilson had to say he could say after the President was done.  Heck, he'd probably give a more interesting rebuttal than that silly doctor did.

by Dracomicron 2009-09-15 05:12AM | 0 recs
Re: House GOP Supports Wilson's Disgrace

There are proper ways to challenge authority and improper ways. I am betting you are the sort of person who would refuse to shake hands with a President you disagreed with and would perform other, similarly petty, forms of "challenging those in authority."

In my view, if you behave like a child you should be treated like one.

by JDF 2009-09-15 07:39PM | 0 recs
Re: House GOP Supports Wilson's Disgrace

Any minute now you'll start quoting "A Call for Unity".  No, thanks.

by SuperCameron 2009-09-18 04:19PM | 0 recs
Re: House GOP Supports Wilson's Disgrace

No one suggested that everyone has to adopt the same tactic. Statesmanship can coexist with rabble rousing. I make a distinction between the "tactic' Wilson used versus the tactic used by republicans in disrupting town hall meetings where the idea is to not highlight a new idea being ignored, but to silence others.

by Pravin 2009-09-14 11:57PM | 0 recs
House GOP Supports Wilson's Disgrace of Chamber

The above comments sound like another version of IOKIYAR: Democrats cowed into being "polite" about lies, then when the Republicans lie and suddenly, it's the Dems fault for calling them on it, AND their fault for not being assholes earlier. Damned if they do, damned if they don't.

The least you can do after blasting the Dems for being adults is reward Wilson's Dem competitor, Miller, a true hero and former marine who's ACT Blue page is surging toward a million:

http://www.actblue.com/entity/fundraiser s/19079

by judybrowni 2009-09-14 12:18PM | 0 recs
How long before the Blue Dogs cave...

And announce their opposition...

Kucinich will then announce it doesn't go far enough so won't support it...

Finally Pelosi will cancel the vote because "we want to looks ahead, not back"

by SaveElmer 2009-09-14 01:43PM | 0 recs
Re: House GOP Supports Wilson's Disgrace ...

So, will the President then realize the futility of bi-partisanship with these barbarians?

by antiHyde 2009-09-14 05:30PM | 0 recs
As far as I can tell

I don't see him working with John Boehner.

Maybe George LeMieux;
http://blogs.tampabay.com/buzz/2009/09/l emieux-censure-joe-you-lie-wilson.html

by DTOzone 2009-09-14 05:34PM | 0 recs

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