Bailouts & Parties

I read through Glenn Reynolds article about the Tea Parties today, which presents itself as "a post-partisan expression of outrage" which makes me chuckle, given how front and center the "former" hyper-partisan Republicans like Michelle Malkin have been to the movement.  

On the one hand, it's obvious that the Democrats capitulating to their knees for Bank bailouts has severely damaged the Party's credibility as an outsider agent of change. I had mild hopes for February and March being markers when we would see Congress/Obama makes some real progress, either on Labor bargaining, or Healthcare reform. Instead, the continuation of failed Wall Street bailouts became the agenda-- a political disaster for the Democratic Party.

On the other hand, most of the Republican Representatives and Senators are even more in the pocket of interests such as the banks. They might feign outrage for mock political capital, but when the AIG bonuses are voted on, they quickly capitulate to their bellies before their gods on Wall Street.

Glenn Reynolds recognizes a failed party when he sees it:

This influx of new energy and new talent is likely to inject new life into small-government politics around the nation. The mainstream Republican Party still seems limp and disorganized. This grassroots effort may revitalize it. Or the tea-party movement may lead to a new third party that may replace the GOP, just as the GOP replaced the fractured and hapless Whigs.

Then, at the same time, we have a DHS ("Janet Napolitano, playing the role of Janet Reno") that has put out a lame report on "right-wing extremist activity" rising in the US. Again, how can one resist a chuckle, with what Glenn Greenwald calls the ultimate reaping of what one sows:

I don't recall any complaints from Jonah Goldberg or Michelle Malkin. I don't recall Glenn Reynolds or Mark Steyn complaining that the FBI, for virtually the entire Bush administration, was systematically abusing its new National Security Letters authorities under the Patriot Act to collect extremely invasive information, in secret, about Americans who had done nothing wrong. Russ Feingold's efforts to place limits and abuse-preventing safeguards on these Patriot Act powers in 2006 attracted a grand total of 10 votes in the Senate -- none Republican.
But then, we have the "Obama Mimics Bush on State Secrets"&"an emerging progressive consensus on Obama's executive power and secrecy abuses" to contemplate; alongside the military getting their surge in Afghanistan while Obama & passive Democratic Congress acquiesce to the Pentagon's agenda. It all combines with providing a simple realization. Whatever partisan chuckle you might get from re-invented posturing by conservatives, its main holding power is a distraction from noticing the way in which Democrats have taken a hold of the worst of the Bush agenda --corporate bailouts, abuse of executive powers, failed middle-east policy-- with insider ownership.

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Re: Bailouts & Parties

Whatever partisan chuckle you might get from re-invented posturing by conservatives, its main holding power is a distraction from noticing the way in which Democrats have taken a hold of the worst of the Bush agenda --corporate bailouts, abuse of executive powers, failed middle-east policy-- with insider ownership.

It's all I can do sometimes to keep from weeping. My congressman, Elijah Cummings, came to our Democratic Club meeting about a year ago and complained about something Bush was doing and I had to resist the urge to scream "Well, impeach the son-of-a-bitch already!" Most of the Democrats in Congress are in the pocket of Wall Street and even good guys like Cummings are powerless to do anything about it. We are so screwed.  

by Stoic 2009-04-15 04:52AM | 0 recs
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We need more of the good ones to speak up now.

by Jerome Armstrong 2009-04-15 05:44AM | 0 recs
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Let the banks fail

Let Afghanistan fail

That was the progressive position this whole time? Is it because we think that financial collapse is long-term preferable, or that ceding Afghanistan back to the Taliban makes strategic sense? Or is your objection to the fact that Obama is doing what Bush did and whatever Bush did was wrong so the progressive position is, by default, the opposite.

Obama was handed a mess of epic proportions with very few options. It is unprecedented and I am unclear how anyone knows how best to deal with the situation. No one knows if bailing out the banks was the right thing and anyone who claims to know is either a partisan or a self-aggrandizing hack. Jerome seems to bought into the GOP populist myth that "wall street" somehow exists in a bubble separate from the rest of us (main street). But as Wall Street fails, hundreds-of-thousands of Americans are losing their jobs, health care, etc. So as Wall Street goes, so does the welfare of many regular people in this country. Do I like it? No. But its the hand that Obama was dealt.

by bigdaddy 2009-04-15 05:33AM | 0 recs
If you don't like it quit going along with it

Progressives don't bailout banks, especially in the politically reckless manner that its been done. And we sure as hell don't go along with the Pentagon's decade-long agenda of occupation in the middle east.

by Jerome Armstrong 2009-04-15 05:43AM | 0 recs
Re: If you don't like it quit going along with it

I agree with you about the Middle east! But I don't agree with you over Progressive and Bank bail outs. FDR created the FDIC which is the Governments mechinism for Bank bail outs! We can argue about bailing out Citi bank outside of the FDIC if we want but progressive do Bail banks out.

by Ed beckmann 2009-04-15 06:16AM | 0 recs
We don't?

I wish there was a manual with this movement. What do you call Progressives who think a cratering Banking industry is a Bad Idea?

With all due respect, the Progressive position on bailouts is as varied as the Progressive position on I/P. State secrets I'll give you. But let's not coopt our individual pet positions and call them "Progressive".

by Neef 2009-04-15 08:21AM | 0 recs
Re: If you don't like it quit going along with it

Funny.  All this time I thought the FDIC was implemented as a part of Glass-Steagal.

by Dreorg 2009-04-15 09:45AM | 0 recs
This ain't about politics

it's about economics.

In 12 months this discussion will be irrelevent.

If the economy shows signs of growth, the GOP will look like idiots and the Democrats will claim they fixed the mess the Repugs created.

If the economy is still in the tank, it doesn't matter what the Dems say - we will be in the toilet.

by fladem 2009-04-15 10:33AM | 0 recs
Re: This ain't about politics

While I agree with your prognostication, I believe there are steps the Dems can take which can counter the accusations, such as fuller disclosure about how much money is going to which bank, being used for which purposes, and why (beyond the mere talk of insolvency, tightening of credit markets).  I am getting the sense, as Jerome points out, that the Dems are merely aping their Republican chums.  

by orestes 2009-04-15 12:07PM | 0 recs
Re: Bailouts & Parties

I might add let Pakistan fail.

I'll add if the US continues in its merry pursuit of garrisoning the world, the US will fail. You can't support this unrelenting militarism and a corporatism run amok.

Corporate personhood needs to be undone.

by Charles Lemos 2009-04-15 02:41PM | 0 recs
What's lame about the DHS (not DOJ) report?

Also, Wall Street is two words.

by JJE 2009-04-15 05:35AM | 0 recs
Re: What's lame about the DHS (not DOJ) report?

Its nonsense that does nothing but provide ammo to them for organizing. Obama has already moved to distance themselves from it. It's also something done most likely, as Glenn says, DHS careerists that are more opposed to anything populist, whether it is from the left or the right.

by Jerome Armstrong 2009-04-15 05:40AM | 0 recs
Re: Nonsense?

This report was initiated under bush was sent out to Police Depts to make them aware of possible threats! The sent warning reports on left wing goups too. I'd like to know where's your evidence this was politically decided? Do you share Becks paronia?  

by Ed beckmann 2009-04-15 06:03AM | 0 recs
Fwd:

Yea, I'm in the leftwing extremist bunch, having been in EarthFirst!

Dumb nonsense, but at least with the leftwing, they named the extremists like myself, but with the rightwing, they named no organization, leaving htem up to dream of being included.

by Jerome Armstrong 2009-04-15 06:28AM | 0 recs
Re: What's lame about the DHS (not DOJ) report?

So you're saying it's false?  Or is your objection only that the "careerists" at DHS improperly failed to consider the likely impact of the report on the Democratic party?

by JJE 2009-04-15 06:51AM | 0 recs
Re: What's lame about the DHS (not DOJ) report?

Jerome doesn't report all the facts:

http://thinkprogress.org/2009/04/15/scar borough-dhs-report/

From this link:

Of course, DHS already wrote a report on "left-wing extremists," completed earlier this year. "This is the job of DHS, to assess what is happening in this country, with regard to homegrown terrorism, and determine whether it's an actual threat or not, and that's what these assessments do. This is nothing unusual," a DHS official told Fox News.

by Lolis 2009-04-15 07:34AM | 0 recs
Bailouts & Parties

If only Hillary had won! You could be defending our President's repuglicanism tendencies.

by Ed beckmann 2009-04-15 05:53AM | 0 recs
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Actually, I would be aligned with a lot more of the netroots speaking out, instead of watching them like you sit on their hands. My whole point, which people like you argued against, was that Clinton and Obama were the same.

There was no reason to believe that Obama would govern any different than the moderate Clinton-way he voted, which has been proved out, unfortunately.

by Jerome Armstrong 2009-04-15 06:30AM | 0 recs
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If that was your point the whole time you could have avoided a tremendous amount of confusion by just stating it, rather than writing a non-stop series of anti-Obama essays, and even going on flights of fancy about the wisdom of the gas tax holiday.

In all seriousness, had anyone said that there was little difference between Clinton and Obama, you would have blown a gasket.

by Jess81 2009-04-15 04:04PM | 0 recs
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Your comment is disingenuous.  Jerome has a lot of faults. Many of them you describe correctly, but let's not pretend that there any any way that he could have framed the discussion that would have prevented many more ardent Obama supporters from demonizing him.

There are many prominent voices amongst bloggers who are bad faith actors when it comes to anyone criticizing Obama.  

Least you wonder what I mean- take the following three:

a) Dana Houle advocates for loyalty oaths to Obama. Note that he never describes who these nafarious or fake Democrats are other than they disagree with Obama, but "you know who they are."

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2009/4/9/2 0758/69074

b) Geekesque regarding recent criticism of Obama's bank bailout plan by Black. Here's my attempt in futility to actually discuss the issue versus the spin:

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2009/4/6/7 17133/-Bank-Accounting-Fraud-

I asked several people to explain to me what was the difference between Obama's plan now and Bush's plan in the fall other than it's Obama. I got a lot of crickets as the response.

Please note Daily Kos is not the only site I see this behavior. I see it here too.

c) Another prominent blogger (can't remember his name right now) when I questioned himr regarding his claim that disenters are just attacking Obama to attack Obama- I asked him how does this apply to Krugman's critique and those trying to demonize Krugman's economic argument by attacking Krugman. The well know blogger said that Krugman should have played evil's advocate an argued both sides of the debate rather than critiqued Obama's position. Why?  i have no clue why.

So, what's my point? There are a lot o fpeople who became married to Obama rather than discerning what is the correct position on issues. I do not see anything thus far that Obama can do that will result in outward opposition to his actions.

by bruh3 2009-04-15 04:45PM | 0 recs
a sort of wedding

lol

by Jerome Armstrong 2009-04-15 08:14PM | 0 recs
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What is my point?  Jerome would likely have blown a gasket if people had compared Obama to Clinton.  Full stop.  You just said my criticism was correct, so what's the problem?  I don't control what those other people say.

Anyway, you don't even have to look far in his diary history - further down in the thread he refers to her as the last one standing.  The last what?  Politician who is identical to Obama?

by Jess81 2009-04-18 11:47PM | 0 recs
Re: Bailouts & Parties

Your comment is disingenuous.  Jerome has a lot of faults. Many of them you describe correctly, but let's not pretend that there any any way that he could have framed the discussion that would have prevented many more ardent Obama supporters from demonizing him.

There are many prominent voices amongst bloggers who are bad faith actors when it comes to anyone criticizing Obama.  

Least you wonder what I mean- take the following three:

a) Dana Houle advocates for loyalty oaths to Obama. Note that he never describes who these nafarious or fake Democrats are other than they disagree with Obama, but "you know who they are."

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2009/4/9/2 0758/69074

b) Geekesque regarding recent criticism of Obama's bank bailout plan by Black. Here's my attempt in futility to actually discuss the issue versus the spin:

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2009/4/6/7 17133/-Bank-Accounting-Fraud-

I asked several people to explain to me what was the difference between Obama's plan now and Bush's plan in the fall other than it's Obama. I got a lot of crickets as the response.

Please note Daily Kos is not the only site I see this behavior. I see it here too.

c) Another prominent blogger (can't remember his name right now) when I questioned himr regarding his claim that disenters are just attacking Obama to attack Obama- I asked him how does this apply to Krugman's critique and those trying to demonize Krugman's economic argument by attacking Krugman. The well know blogger said that Krugman should have played evil's advocate an argued both sides of the debate rather than critiqued Obama's position. Why?  i have no clue why.

So, what's my point? There are a lot o fpeople who became married to Obama rather than discerning what is the correct position on issues. I do not see anything thus far that Obama can do that will result in outward opposition to his actions.

by bruh3 2009-04-15 04:45PM | 0 recs
Re:Crickets

You get them because you spend far too much time looking for (as you say)

anything that Obama can do that will result in outward opposition to his actions.

Which is quite ridiculous on its face. You are outwardly opposed all the time and you are not alone. If you are looking for anonymity, forget it. If you are trying to drum up support for impeachment, then what are you doing here?

by QTG 2009-04-21 06:14AM | 0 recs
Re:Anonymity>

Unanimity - spell check malfunction.

by QTG 2009-04-21 06:16AM | 0 recs
Re: Bailouts & Parties

Utterly irrelevant, she was not elected nor do any of these issues have any bearing on her or her position at this time. President Obama is in charge and is ultimately responsible for the success or failure of these plans.

by JasonMoreland 2009-04-15 06:53AM | 0 recs
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Jerome, are you OK?  

I have been an anti-war activist all my adult life but I supported the initial effort against the Taliban in Afghanistan and I support Obama's renewed focus there.

Let the banks fail?  Really?  

I was a Hillary supporter and, like you, laughed at the Hillary-bashers who thought Obama would be so different.  But so far I give him credit for dealign pretty well with an amazing mess on all fronts.

by Thaddeus 2009-04-15 06:50AM | 0 recs
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Yea, I wasn't laughing because I thought I was rooting for anything different, that's for sure.

by Jerome Armstrong 2009-04-15 07:58PM | 0 recs
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Last I checked, Democrats voted for the bailout before Obama was in office and also supported the auto industry when Republicans refused and tried to use it as an opportunity to bust unions.

I may not be crazy about the Geithner plan or helping the banks but I do understand that we are all in this together. The bankers are too big to fail and I have some optimism after Obama's speech yesterday that he will address these structural problems once we are on the road to recovery.

I am willing to be patient. I think it is good people like Greenwald are pressuring/criticizing Obama on the state secrets stuff and today is when we find out what his administration will release. That will tell us a lot. But I think the fact that Obama has hired or appointed so many people very critical of Bush's practices gives me hope. These people have great integrity and won't carry water for an administration that will not defend the Constitution. Not all of these people have been confirmed.

I am approaching thirty and have become far more pragmatic and patient. I worked in government for awhile and now how things actually work. Obama is on track to withdrawal from Iraq and he is doing what he told us he would do in Afghanistan so it is hard to complain there.

Jerome's theory that there would be a massive liberal netroots to keep Clinton in line is kind of hokey and un-proveable. It seems like more of the pity parade you still hear from people who just can't get over the primary.

Obama has made great progress on health care and energy. Does Jerome really think it possible to do this in the first few months? The Democratic Congress would love nothing more than for Obama to chill out and not pass any major legislation. They are a timid lot. Even Feingold voted against using budget reconciliation to pass an energy plan. WTF? Bernie Sanders is the only progressive senator we have.

Anyway, I just think it is too early for Jerome and others to declare failure. To say that liberals are not giving Obama a hard time is dumb. The liberal advocacy groups like the ACLU and HRC are riding this administration hard. That is their job. Obama needs pressure because it shows people will have his back. Jerome never exerts pressure in a thoughtful way, he just whines.

by Lolis 2009-04-15 07:03AM | 0 recs
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It's not Jerome who is  stuck in the primary. It's koolaid drinkers like many of the commenters on this site who obviously refuse to hold Obama to his own standards. Pathetic.

by JasonMoreland 2009-04-15 07:09AM | 0 recs
You want to know what's pathetic?

Calling people names.

by GFORD 2009-04-15 07:24AM | 0 recs
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Look at Jerome's previous comments in this thread. He references his feelings during the primary and repeats his "it's not fair" shtick. I am not creating his quotes out of thin air.

by Lolis 2009-04-15 07:29AM | 0 recs
Kool aid?

Who is making this stuff and what do they put in it. The use of "Drinking the Kool Aid" is really getting silly and means nothing.

by Ed beckmann 2009-04-15 07:41AM | 0 recs
It obviously fits. It's an accurate assessment

given the issues many of you are giving President Obama the benefit of the doubt on. What a sad state of affairs.

by JasonMoreland 2009-04-15 07:44AM | 0 recs
Re: It obviously fits. It's an accurate assessment

My experience is when people use the word "obviously", what follows is the opposite of obvious.

The only person giving you mojo for the "koolaid drinkers" bit is a McCainiac.  Which is "obviously" your target audience.

by Jess81 2009-04-15 04:07PM | 0 recs
Re: Bailouts & Parties

Look- this administration has thrown money hand over fist at the banks.  and it will continue to try to do so.  yet, we are not seeing any movement on health care (despite your assertion) at a time when more and more Americans are at risk of not having the means to obtain health care.  The former issue is a crisis which must be dealt with immediately in the manner the people who created the disaster (and did not foresee its coming) see fit.  Yet health care remains on the sideline.  That's a clear expression of priorities.  Just as Bush squandered an opportunity to increase the US's stature in the world after 9/11, Obama is squandering the opportunity the current state of the economy offers to bring real change to the priorities and direction of this country.  The "the banks are too big to fail" is the weakest and most mindless argument one can put forth, in my view.  It absolves you of having to conduct any rational analysis of the state of affairs.  Finally, Obama could show he is serious about the banking crisis by putting into effect the tough regulations that will stop the kind of speculating that led to this mess.  But clearly he does not want to do that for fear of upsetting the market.  As Jerome points out, the administration has adopted the republican view that what's good for wall street is all that matters.  

by orestes 2009-04-15 08:16AM | 0 recs
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The "the banks are too big to fail" is the weakest and most mindless argument one can put forth, in my view.  It absolves you of having to conduct any rational analysis of the state of affairs

I think you are confusing a conclusion with an analysis. The analysis is long and convoluted, the conclusion is not.

I have thought it through, and to my mind a catastrophic banking failure would be roughly equivalent to a limited thermonuclear exchange. Try and picture the consequences of not being able to access your bank account...money card doesn't work, etc. Now run that scenario out a month.

by Neef 2009-04-15 08:34AM | 0 recs
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That's a straw man scenario.  And there is nothing to indicate that the current bailout would stop such a calamity.  These banks are overextended in a number of lines of business.  The government should focus on restoring a viable credit market, not by keeping the current banks on life support but by creating alternatives.  And they should spin off the bad businesses from the banks and let the creditors take a bath.  

by orestes 2009-04-15 12:13PM | 0 recs
You mistake me

I'm not trying to convince you, I am addressing your assertion that "too big to fail" is a mindless argument. Whether or not you agree, there are legitimate reasons to be deathly afraid of a banking collapse. Certainly we saw how much stress the Lehman failure put on the system. There are stories floating around that the system nearly did collapse. Nor are vague plans to "create alternatives" reassuring, absent a realistic assessment of the feasibility of creating said alternatives.

I won't even go into the potential dangers of "letting the creditors take a bath", before we've mapped out exactly which creditors and what the effects would be.

There is room for disagreement, but a healthy respect for potential catastrophe is anything but "mindless".

by Neef 2009-04-15 01:13PM | 0 recs
I had to check who whould have down-rate this post

Know-vox Sock-puppet Zedd.

Figures.

by WashStateBlue 2009-04-15 02:06PM | 0 recs
Re: Bailouts & Parties

I'm not trying for the end of the world.

How could anyone here could not wish the first three months of Obama's administration would have been drastically different?

If the next three are great, I''l let you know; but right now it's not.

by Jerome Armstrong 2009-04-15 08:05PM | 0 recs
Drastically different?

That depends on what's drastically different? I wouldn't want him disbanding the Armed Forces or anything. I love the budget, I don't love the secrets. He's better than Bush, and McCain. I'm happy about that. How can anyone not be happy about it?

What's baffling and frustrating is this search for perfection in - of all things - politics, the nastiest grittiest, most compromising activity we undertake. I don't get this romantic streak that obviously runs through much of the left, where ideological purity is expected, when it fact it should be considered astonishing. Where a too-small bailout is considered an abject failure, as opposed to simply much bigger than no bailout at all. Where a politician's dissembling is cause for deep and mortal distress, while in our daily lives we take vagueness and dishonesty in stride.

You remember the kid from High school who got 19 A's and wanted to commit suicide over getting one B? I'm quite certain that kid grew up to be a Progressive blogger.

by Neef 2009-04-15 09:09PM | 0 recs
Easy

How can anyone not be happy about it?

they're still stuck in the primaries like Jerome.

by DTOzone 2009-04-16 07:40AM | 0 recs
Re: Drastically different?

No doubt, one that hides behind some silly pseudonym too.

by Jerome Armstrong 2009-04-16 08:07AM | 0 recs
What A Bunch Of whiny Little Bs

Jerome Armstrong = Sourpuss Extraordinaire.   Since things aren't going exactly as you want them to go, maybe you should take your ball with you and go home.  You are the whiniest little B imaginable.

by candide 2009-04-15 07:26AM | 0 recs
Re: What A Bunch Of whiny Little Bs

Listen, you seem to forget who's blog your on. If anyone has to leave it should be you. Right? I  myself find Jerome gets me thinking and makes me challeng my assumptions. Of course I'm always right and he's alway ........ Oops don't want to get Jerome mad at me! LOL

by Ed beckmann 2009-04-15 07:51AM | 0 recs
Good Lord...

Look, I have no issue with calling out Obama on some of the things he ought to be called out for, but I am really disappointed by this diary.

I started reading it hoping it would be a beautiful excoriation of the silly wingnut teabaggers movement, but instead what I got was a tepid criticism of the teabaggers mixed in with a healthy dose of "But Obama does it, too!!!!"

It's time to let June 2008 go.

If you want to write a story criticizing Obama for his back-pedalling on the Bush torture and surveillance policies, please, by all means do... he deserves to be criticized for it.

If you want to criticize his approach to the failing banks from a perspective shared by Paul Krugman, that's fine, too.

But for the love of God, this is supposed to be a progressive website designed to get our Democratic leaders to act like progressives, not constantly throw snark at them because they weren't our preferred candidate in the primaries.

I honestly think you want to see Obama defeated in 2012.  I believe that you are so jaded by his improbable victory that you would cut off your own nose to spite your fate.

I have no doubt that in your heart you believe in progressive ideology.  But it really seems like you are so angry and embittered by the primary wars of last spring that you can NEVER embrace our Democratic president, period, the end.

Everytime I read one of your diaries, I feel like I'm reading a toned-down version of Hillaryis44.org or Alegre's Corner.  I think you hide your disdain better, but not really... you are extremely patronizing and condescending.

MyDD is dying.  Unless something changes here, this website will probably not exist by the time the next presidential primaries roll around.  And Jerome, you are a big reason why so many people have abandoned this place.  It gets really old being a progressive or a Democrat visiting a supposedly progressive blog in which the blog's top dog is constantly expressing his displeasure with the DEMOCRATIC president.

The top 5 Rec List diaries here have a grand total of 62 comments between all 5 of them.

The top 5 Rec List diaries on your main competitor's site have over 1,100 comments between them.

This isn't how it always was.

This website is dying.  And you are helping to kill it.  Which is pretty sad, man.  It's my  understanding that you used to be a legend in the liberal blogosphere - even mentored the guy who started that Orange site at one time.

Get over the bitterness.  Or watch your website sink further into irrelevance.  Which would be a real shame... this place used to be a vibrant gathering place for progressive activism.  Not so much anymore.

by Obamaphile 2009-04-15 08:29AM | 0 recs
Re: Good Lord...

"Or watch your website sink further into irrelevance."

Further?  Not possible.

by SpanishFly 2009-04-15 10:46AM | 0 recs
Amen Brother

by candide 2009-04-15 02:11PM | 0 recs
Re: Good Lord...

I wouldn't judge this website by the traffic alone. I can say that since I joined as a front page here I've been quoted in the New York Times, the National Journal, and The Hill. Beyond that I've been on the radio and was asked to go on the Rick Sanchez Show on CNN. My writings have their way onto numerous websites and I got an offer to write on Africa.

If you use Real Clear Politics Best of the Blogs as a barometer of quality, then MyDD fares fairly well. More of our posts are picked up than any other liberal/progressive site with the exception of Think Progress, The American Prospect, Salon and Open Left. Now there the first three have paid writers, we don't.

So from my point of view, MyDD remains a rather influential blog.

by Charles Lemos 2009-04-15 03:02PM | 0 recs
I agree, traffic is not the criterion

Kos is always going to be the giant suburban mall, while MyDD is more the boutique coffee shop.

That is why I like it here, though politically I probably am more at home at DKos.

So, the upside here is, there are a smaller group of individuals you can interact with.

The down side is, certain posters can hammer out multiple diaries every day, virtual clones, and dominant the conversation to a certain extent.  

And, with just ONE rec, many times from a PUMA sock puppet BOOM they are on the rec list.

That can't happen at Dkos, it's a larger moving mass, which makes it more group think, but also culls the herd a bit, less likely the outliers can dominate the rec list.

I also think it kind of funny that someone can spam attack with shoe diaries, and they stay up for days?

Don't most or at least SOME of the front pagers have diary delete capabilities.

We may be influential, but even on smaller blogs, I don't see spam hang out for days. Heck, it's not like we are trying to get controversial diaries taken down, it's fake jewelry spam!!!!

by WashStateBlue 2009-04-15 03:47PM | 0 recs
Re: I agree, traffic is not the criterion

Yes, I can delete diaries. I think I learned how through trial and error with those shoes and tiffany posts. At the very least, I've learned how to ban the offenders.

My problem is time.

Oh and btw, I think you're one of the most refreshing things about MyDD.

I actually don't spend much time reading liberal blogs. I used to read the Huff Post until the primary wars. Frankly, it was all the anti-John Edwards crap from Lawrence O'Donnell and Guy Saperstein that drove me away. I gravitated to Talk Left but Jeralyn and I had huge fight over Amazon of all things. I'm indie bound kind of guy. On left blogs, I read C&L and FDL mostly and Open Left if I remember to do so. I keep on meaning to look Motley Moose but time, time, time.

by Charles Lemos 2009-04-15 04:19PM | 0 recs
Re: I agree, traffic is not the criterion

Thanks for the compliment.

yes, I actually started at crooks and liars and Kos, but mostly lurking...

I like it here, so I stay.

by WashStateBlue 2009-04-15 05:15PM | 0 recs
Re: I agree, traffic is not the criterion

Yea, its old scoop and needs some ruby.

by Jerome Armstrong 2009-04-15 08:11PM | 0 recs
Re: Good Lord...

Mydd could never sustain the level of activity it had during the primaries.  It became a sort of haven for the Clinton supporters that were run off of dailykos and other sites, and because of that, less intelligent trolls saw it as an opportunity.  Sites like hillaryis44 and noquarter basically took over the rec list here for months.  With the end of the primary wars, mydd went back to the way it always was.

by Skaje 2009-04-16 12:59AM | 0 recs
Re: Good Lord...

The blog ebbs and flows over the past 8 years. Losers come and go too, sooner or later... Who cares about the traffic?  The ones not here?  So what!

by Jerome Armstrong 2009-04-16 08:11AM | 0 recs
Stimulus Package???

I love how this post just totally ignores that Obama got an almost $800 billion stimulus package through Congress in less than a month in office.  You can argue it was too small but anyone who understands how Congress works knows this was a huge accomplishment and the priorities in it were a major change in direction for the country.

And the bill has good health care stuff in it - a 65% COBRA premium subsidy for people who have been laid off.  That is a nice first step towards a more meaningful health reform effort which will take many months if not over a year to enact.  It is a complicated effort as DemFromCT outlines so well at DailyKos.

I don't think Obama is perfect - the state secrets and Afghanistan concern me.  However, the guy has been such a change in direction from the last eight years and the polling data shows the American people see it.

by jmnyc 2009-04-15 08:47AM | 0 recs
Re: Stimulus Package???

The stimulus is great, sure. But speeding the deficit up is nothing to be bragging about even when you need to do it.

by Jerome Armstrong 2009-04-15 08:07PM | 0 recs
Re: Maybe the Republicans will come back

Ironically I found DailyKos to be far more reactionary than MyDD in 2005, 2006, 2007 but it is now far more reasonable than some of the stuff being posted here.

Obama is not the second coming (no one is) but overall I think he is doing pretty well and avg people seem to think he is a change agent based on his poll numbers.  It is all how you see it.

by jmnyc 2009-04-15 11:17AM | 0 recs
Re: Maybe the Republicans will come back

Keep drinking that koolaid until you drown please. It's obvious half of the posters on this thread have not been paying one iota of attention to any of these issues. Corporate welfare, union busting and trickle down economics are now democratic ideals?!?!?! If this is the case than maybe I am in the wrong party and President Obama is certainly not the person he advertised himself as. What a disappointment.

by JasonMoreland 2009-04-15 11:20AM | 0 recs
"corporate welfare", really?

As opposed to what, letting it all burn? Nationalizing every ailing industry?

Democratic ideals are supposed to produce effective outcomes, not cathartic teenage nihilist fantasies. If this is really the Anarchist party, then count me out.

by Neef 2009-04-15 12:04PM | 0 recs
Re: How you see it

No. I using my voice and speaking up. He should be held to those standards that he was elected by. No wiggle room. Period. I am sorry if many of you are just too lazy and stupid to do so. Enjoy the koolaid.

by JasonMoreland 2009-04-15 11:33AM | 0 recs
Re: How you see it

For my part, I'm sorry you're so upset.  If you would remove your personal feelings of loss from the equation you might find you enjoy politics again.

by Jess81 2009-04-15 04:12PM | 0 recs
Re: How you see it

Yea, the parade of the cynical saying get used to getting lied too.

by Jerome Armstrong 2009-04-15 08:08PM | 0 recs
When he lies to me Jerome

I'll let you know.

by DTOzone 2009-04-15 08:21PM | 0 recs
Re: How you see it

I am happy with Obama.  You will never agree with everyone 100% of the time but I agree with Obama about 85% or so.  I support most of his agenda and think he is on the right track.  What else can I ask for.  If you expect perfection in politics you will always be disappointed.

by jmnyc 2009-04-15 05:32PM | 0 recs
I am pissed royal at Obama

for the state secrets BS.

And, Larry Summers is an abomination.

But, what I do see here is a lot of the same people who strongly disliked (I can't say hated) Obama in the primaries, who complained at some of these exact stances he stated then are now complaining cause he is doing what he said he would do, and somehow accusing him of betraying the party?

He got ELECTED by taking the party there.

I will give you State Secrets and Summers, those are ROYAL F-ups, and it is unforgiveable.

Still you sound like the Tea-bagers, he inherited an 8 year or longer FUBAR, and, yup, he hasn't got it fixed in ~100 days.

Lets see where this economic/banking redo lands, if he backs off on putting some in of the controls that Phil Gramm took away, and it's Summers finger prints all over it, HELL, I will join you in starting to write Slam Obama diaries.

Some of the other stuff being thrown at him here is just a slightly recolored version of what Faux is throwing at him.

I get the same sense here when I see 87 Diaries whining that Obama isn't doing Single Payer.

WTF?

He has a congress with maybe 15 REAL liberal or SLIGHTLY liberal Democratic Senators, the rest are closer to Ronnie Rayguns in ideology then to Franklin Roosevelt.

Even everyones god-damned liberal super-hero, Russ Feingold voted against using reconcilliation to pass Energy.

Face it folks, there is Bernie Sanders, and he's not even a Democrat. My take is, with the exception of Ted Kennedy, most of the rest are to the right of where 90% of the Democratic Senate was 30 years ago.

I know this makes the PUMA Crowd wince, but the most effective president (and I said EFFECTVE not good) was Reagan, and he shoved the pendelum so hard to the right that Bill Clinton was barely able to slow it down, and only the worst president maybe ever caused it to hit the hard right peg and stop.

It will take Obama all of 8 years, to even START to pull us back to the left. There is no magic wand of liberal transformation.  

THIS is the hand he is working with!!!!

Yet, with the exception of a small group wanting to rip Evan Bayhs head off NONE of the Obama bashers even mention he has a congress that is so far to the Right of what LBJ had it's almost incomprenshible to call it Democratic controlled, and STILL if he can't get single payer WHICH HE NEVER PROMISED he is an abject failure.

Circular firing squad, old habits die hard.

by WashStateBlue 2009-04-15 02:43PM | 0 recs
Re: I am pissed royal at Obama

Hear, hear.

Let's not forget the budget Obama passed which even Krugman said was very progressive and ambitious.

by Lolis 2009-04-15 07:27PM | 0 recs
Re: I am pissed royal at Obama

"NONE  of the Obama bashers even mention he has a congress that is so far to the Right of what LBJ had it's almost incomprenshible to call it Democratic controlled,"

what?  Are you serious?  

by Jerome Armstrong 2009-04-16 08:09AM | 0 recs
Clinton wasn't my candidate

Just the last one standing.

by Jerome Armstrong 2009-04-15 08:02PM | 0 recs
We know Jerome, you don't like him

we get it, that's why everything you write is looked at with cynicism.

Obama doesn't and shouldn't have to please you, you never wanted him anyway.

As far as the first three months of the Obama administration, call me a kool-aid drinker if you want, but I think it's been great.

I'm sure we'll see you again when you have something else to bitch and whine about.

by DTOzone 2009-04-15 08:16PM | 0 recs
Re: We know Jerome, you don't like him

 Hidden by Zedd. A badge of honor!

by QTG 2009-04-16 02:43AM | 0 recs
MyDD, Come...Join The Irrelevancy!

by DTOzone 2009-04-16 07:38AM | 0 recs

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