BARACK OBAMA WINS NOBEL PEACE PRIZE

No Chicago Olympics, but Obama did win the Nobel Peace prize. Previous sitting presidential winners were Theodore Roosevelt and Woodrow Wilson. Good company.

This comes with the criticism:

With less than a year in office, and relatively few accomplishments to speak of (yet) this prize may prove to be pretty awkward for the President, as he's constantly had to fight the image of all-hype-little-substance.

... as we await for months on end, healthcare reform in the US.

But globally, it is fair to say that Obama has created a "new climate" and represents a "hope" of more global cooperation. While indeed he's President, Obama would've made a great secretary of state. The prize is more a statement about hoping Obama fulfills his promise than his accomplishments to date.

Obama will be a great President when he delivers on healthcare with a public option, gets us completely out of Iraq, gets the employee free choice act passed, gets a climate bill passed, passes immigration reform and... I know I'm missing a few things.

The fact is, that Obama became President with a greater representation of progressively-inclined Democrats than any President since FDR in the 1930's. To date, I think he's squandered the opportunity by ceding the policy driving to Rahm Emanuel and David Axelrod and by the looks the pace of healthcare reform, that's been a disaster. I love that Obama is the face of the US to the world, because its a terrific statement about the US and our transformative pulse. However, Obama's got 60 Democratic Senators and a strong majority of progressively-inclined Democrats in the House. Obama made the progressive promises during his campaign. I can't imagine when the "Obama can do no wrong" sycophants think there will be a better time than this cycle to pass this legislation. Its now.

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Re: BARACK OBAMA WINS NOBEL PEACE PRIZE

I do believe Obama believes in peace more than the likes of that idiot Bush Jr or a few other ex presidents not named Jimmy Carter.

Having said that, I think the Nobel Peace Prize has usually been a massive joke.

Obama is certainly not the worst of the winners, but he is undeserving as of now. The military industrial complex is still thriving despite defense contractor scandals dwarfing those of the worst of Acorn's. And not to mention that the defense industry is thriving regardless of the fact that their purpose has become less important than more peaceful activities like intelligence gathering.

by Pravin 2009-10-09 05:26AM | 0 recs
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Well, Bush's string of war funding supplemental have continued, and that's unfortunate, but I think saying he's undeserving is missing the point of what they said in the statement.

I take the reading to be more of a calling to Obama to live up to his promises to the globe. To step up and make the transformative changes happen.

by Jerome Armstrong 2009-10-09 05:51AM | 0 recs
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Jerome, I hear you. But i did read the statement and I think it is silly to bestow something like this because of a mere change in mood when the realities on the ground do not show much of a difference. I just think it is self congratulatory crap where the committee thinks they can engineer further change by giving Obama the prize now. While I think Obama has been an improvement in turning the temperature down when it comes to Iran and the middle east, I just don't think it has been impressive enough.

It just fuels an unnecessary perception that liberals and Europeans blindly support Obama. As an Obama supporter, I would have preferred the timing to be a couple of years down the road.

by Pravin 2009-10-09 06:00AM | 0 recs
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Why are we so worried about what the world of wingnuts will say and do? Isn't this what we complain that our Politicians constantly do, appease the right instead of standing firm against their phoney hissyfits and attacks? I don't give a damn about what a bunch of wacked out chicken hawk deather, birther wing nuts think or say! Do you honestly think the wingnuts would praise Obama for winning this prize after a couple of years of liberials and progressives criticizing him?

by eddieb 2009-10-09 06:12AM | 0 recs
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I am not worried when their rants have no merit. I took delight in bashing them when they ranted about Obama going to Europe for the Chicago Olympics thing.

But something like this will make even regular folk snicker at the Nobel Peace Prize.

by Pravin 2009-10-09 06:40AM | 0 recs
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Sorry, I just don't get it? Regular folks will snicker at Obama winning the nobel Peace Prize? I can understand wonks like you and me criticizing some one even our President that we consider "Not good enough" to win it but the non political average joe? I'll have to see and hear it to believe it. If WE let the Wingnuts frame the issue, maybe. If were smart we wont give there BS credibility by joining them in their snickering!

by eddieb 2009-10-09 07:08AM | 0 recs
I agree with you

Get us out of Iraq and don't escalate our involvement in Afghanistan before you get the Nobel Peace Prize.

by desmoinesdem 2009-10-09 06:21AM | 0 recs
I agree with you a little

Maybe getting this Prize will make it a easier for him to do just that and more!

by eddieb 2009-10-09 09:11AM | 0 recs
Jerome, I finally see your point of view on Obama

Well, I think I do.

But globally, it is fair to say that Obama has created a "new climate" and represents a "hope" of more global cooperation... The prize is more a statement about hoping Obama fulfills his promise than his accomplishments to date.
I believe there is a precedence for this preemptive award. As someone else noted, the nominations were due on February 1, 2009, which means Barack Obama was in office a mere 11 days at the time.
Obama will be a great President when he delivers on healthcare with a public option, gets us completely out of Iraq, gets the employee free choice act passed, gets a climate bill passed, passes immigration reform and... I know I'm missing a few things.
For better or worse, Obama always indicated that he would act with great deliberation and as a result change would come slowly.

I believe that this is the wiser course of action, despite the dire state of the country (and world). History will be the judge on the wisdom of this gradual approach.

But I do believe, for no other reason than my heart says so, that Obama wants all that you mention. Reality is just in the way, and it takes time to move.

by NoFortunateSon 2009-10-09 09:13AM | 0 recs
Re: Jerome, I finally see your point of view

That's correct, I'm a real "show me" blogger with the politicians-- debates and speeches I find little value in; policy passed means everything.

by Jerome Armstrong 2009-10-09 10:46AM | 0 recs
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While being a avid Hillary Clinton supporter during the primaries (mainly due to her policy wonkiness and the Health Care Reform), I'll have disagree that Obama's health care was a disaster since nothing this big has happened concerning Health Care (e.g., this even includes Medicare and Medicaid).

So, unless you can make a plurality of 100 senators follow a different or better path, then, I'll have to say hold back on the void criticism. Hell, he's already doing better than Hillary by at least getting something passed. Never miss the forest for the trees.

If you want radical change, you need to develop a strategy that will beat the radical conservative think tanks for the next four election cycles at the lower echelons of government.

First place, galvanize the disk jokeys to be more politically active, especially in minority communities. I'll have to give Tom Joyner and another disc jokey (name can't recall) kudos for starting something very similar to another wave in the political movement.

by Check077 2009-10-09 05:32AM | 0 recs
Actually...

He's doing better than anybody in getting something passed, and we have a real chance of getting something more than halfway decent. People have been trying since, what, the Truman Administration for reform?

People don't realize the degree to which Obama had to thread the needle here.

Terrible powers are aligned against any reform, let alone a public option; you have these conservadem senators with a mind of their own and no reason to tow the party line, a prevalent kneejerk rejection of big government and socialism, and tremendous lobbying power.

by NoFortunateSon 2009-10-09 09:38AM | 0 recs
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Bizarre. makes no sense. You cant give someone nobel peace prize becuase they talked about something. Thats essentially what this is. It just makes the prize look silly.......I'd be embarrassed....

by BuckeyeBlogger 2009-10-09 05:34AM | 0 recs
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You obviously see the world from an American ego centric vantage point. The international community has been traumatized by America during the bush years. Obama, to them Obama has given the world a real sense of possibilities in achieving peace and reversing the damage America has done during thos dark Bush years. This says much about Obama's achievement in changing Americas image around the world.

by eddieb 2009-10-09 05:54AM | 0 recs
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Trauma? What freaking trauma? The damage bush did was more to America than Europe. As bad as Bush is, I do not see much maturity among some of the European leaders when it comes to dealing with problems in countries like the ones in Africa or Asia.  

Has Obama brought about any serious reduction in violence in Afghanistan?

by Pravin 2009-10-09 06:03AM | 0 recs
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Amen to that conclusion. Obama is working under the reality of Bush's world still-- that shows most in Afghanistan right now.

by Jerome Armstrong 2009-10-09 06:15AM | 0 recs
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I was just about to say the same thing! And more, you dont award a Nobel Peace prize for someones intent to do something.....let them do it first....this made no sense...

by BuckeyeBlogger 2009-10-09 11:15AM | 0 recs
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Wrong.  Youu clearly misunderstand

by lojasmo 2009-10-09 12:38PM | 0 recs
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But that's generally what the prize is awarded for.

by Jess81 2009-10-09 06:06AM | 0 recs
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There is plenty of things we can criticize Obama for but turning a Dairy that should be celebrating this honor into a rant against our President is distasteful. Obviously you anticipated the blowback you would receive by suggesting anyone who challenges it is an "Obama can do no wrong" sycophant. Many Americans myself included feel honored out President has won this award and would like to discuss what this achievement will have on our relationship with the world. There is plenty of time to critique Obama in future Dairies but lets not try to smear this achievement with unrelated issues, you come off sounding petty, and more like a wingnut than a progressive.

by eddieb 2009-10-09 05:37AM | 0 recs
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Congrats, the shoe fits.

by Jerome Armstrong 2009-10-09 05:44AM | 0 recs
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Nice comeback. Never heard that one, before. Whats next? "Yo Mama" taunts sounds like fun. I'd prefer my progressive shoes over your wingnut style shoes any day. Your turn, LOL :-)

by eddieb 2009-10-09 06:54AM | 0 recs
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howabout I just ban you, that'd be fun?

by Jerome Armstrong 2009-10-09 07:39AM | 0 recs
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I'm not sure that's the right response, Jerome. It might look like your chilling debate.

by brit 2009-10-09 07:46AM | 0 recs
EDDIEB WINS ARMSTRONG PEACE PRIZE

I think it's time for peace between us. How about it! I honestly respect you and your opinions and I guess my snark can be caustic and I apologize if I hit a sore spot or two but my opinions will not change whether Im banned or not! Besides wouldn't you miss a strong challenger LOL ;-)

by eddieb 2009-10-09 08:57AM | 0 recs
Re: EDDIEB WINS ARMSTRONG PEACE PRIZE

Hey, I was just pushing some snark-- I'd never ban anyone for disagreement.  I don't mind the challengers at all. I enjoy the pushback to my opinions, carry on.

by Jerome Armstrong 2009-10-09 10:40AM | 0 recs
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I voted for Obama in the primaries and ran as his delegate. One side of me that supports Obama and wants him to do well only fears that all this award does is preach to the faithful and will only create a backlash among the independents and fuel the perception that the Nobel Peace Prize is a joke.

And the more neutral side of me seriously knows that Obama hasnt done nearly enough to deserve this award.

by Pravin 2009-10-09 05:52AM | 0 recs
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This will provide the Republicans a new opportunity to appear small, petty, ungenerous, provincial.  I am sure they will seize it.

by Bob H 2009-10-09 05:46AM | 0 recs
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every day provides that opportunity, they don't need an event.

by Jerome Armstrong 2009-10-09 05:52AM | 0 recs
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I wouldn't worry about them as they find excuses to bash Obama even when he does good. But yeah, it is frustrating to hear the snickers among Republicans at my workplace today about the Nobel prize and I can't really bash them for their idiocy because in this case, I have no solid defense of this prize.

by Pravin 2009-10-09 06:05AM | 0 recs
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There is no defense needed! This kind of recognition is infuriatingly frustrating to the wingnuts. We tend to live in a progressve bubble and see things a little differently from average folks. Americans just love prize winners! Thats why we love sports and Nobel prize winners. Do you think people remember the details of why Jimmy Carter was chosen to win his Prize. It's a title that makes them special just as in the title "Sir" Winston Churchill. Do you know exactly why WC received his title, I dont. "BARACK OBAMA NOBLE LAUREAT" WILL FOREVER MAKE THE WINGNUTS SQUIRM! HA! I just love the thought of it!

by eddieb 2009-10-09 06:29AM | 0 recs
Missing the point...

The world is truly a safer, more peaceful place with Obama in charge rather than Bush/Cheney. All that disappointment that we impatient progressives might feel with the pace of his domestic agenda is irrelevant to the state of peace in the world. [It's also somewhat unfair to him, given that he is president and not King, but that's a different argument.]

It's not intended to be a celebration of his domestic policy achievements (or lack thereof). It's a celebration of what he has already brought to the international stage, and in particular to his commitment to peaceful means to solve issues.

by fsm 2009-10-09 06:08AM | 0 recs
Your right on point...

In my comment I may have only pissed of Jerome but you have hit the nail on the head! I don't remember progressives attacking Jimmy Carter for his Prize. Although he didn't win peace in the middle east. But the fact is he truly earned his prize.

by eddieb 2009-10-09 07:17AM | 0 recs
Re: Missing the point...

I think, because of an understandable obsession with domestic policy, most of it actually out of the President's direct control, many posters here have forgotten about Obama's major contributions to world peace in the last breathless ten months,

1. A major overture to the Muslim World - speeches and visits

2. Overturning Bush's stance on climate change and how to tackle it (Copenhagen rather than Kyoto)

3. Ending the legitimation of torture and investigating prosecutions for it.

4. A pledge to close down Guantanomo and end mass detention without trial.

5. Cancelling the inoperable missile shield that was actually escalating the arms race with Russia.

I'm sure others can add to this list, and I'm not even counting Senator Mitchell's mission. In some ways it seems a bit early, but in other ways, from a foreigner's perspective...

Don't underestimate how Obama's presidency has radically reshaped the possibility of peace on the world.

Come to think of it, his election was probably the most important single opportunity for more global co-operation in the last two decades. Hence this Brit's interest in the progress of his government.

by brit 2009-10-09 08:30AM | 0 recs
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I'd have to hear what the committee said, but my first reaction was "ah, okay, he won it for being a minority President in an anglo-european country."

Really is that all that absurd?  Henry Kissinger wins the Nobel Prize 37 years ago, but THIS is making it into a joke?

by Jess81 2009-10-09 06:11AM | 0 recs
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That should read "being elected President as a minority..."

by Jess81 2009-10-09 06:12AM | 0 recs
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Kissinger merely being considered for the Nobel prize made the prize a joke a long time ago. This is not the first time the Nobel prize committee has been bashed.

I know you were not replying to my comments, but as I said before, obama is certainly not among the worse winners, but his victory doesnt say much about the validity of this prize.

I am actually pretty pissed that the Nobel Peace Prize committee couldn't find a single under the radar activist who has done a lot for peace. Is it really that tough to find one who deserves it?

by Pravin 2009-10-09 09:33AM | 0 recs
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Congratulations to the president .

I don't really care about the award ......More important things to deal with it like listening to the Generals and sending more troops to support the military in Afghanistan...

Look at the upside ( or Downside ) SNL and late night comics would have funnier material than what was put out last week....

by lori 2009-10-09 06:13AM | 0 recs
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If Obama listens to the generals, he's not listening to Democrats.

by Jerome Armstrong 2009-10-09 06:16AM | 0 recs
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I don't think the president should take partisan or political affiliations into considerations on issues of national security .

I would rather listen to the Generals on the field than the politicians or partisan loyalties...The surge in Iraq won't have happened if political consideration was the top priority and America would have lost the war...

by lori 2009-10-09 06:22AM | 0 recs
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What are you talking abut? The whole invasion of Iraq in the first place was for partisan reasons-- Rove/Cheney/Bush's endless war and a Republican majority for a generation during wartime. And the continued occupation, but lack of military solution, in Afghanistan was thoroughly played by Obama during the '08 election.

I don't fault the military for recognizing their task as needing another 40K troops now, followed by another 40K down the road a bit... this follows already getting 17K from Obama earlier this year.... The point is, there is not a military solution.

by Jerome Armstrong 2009-10-09 06:33AM | 0 recs
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There may not be a military solution , but there is a role for the military to play.. The same was said in Iraq , and as we saw the military part of it made a difference on the political aspect of it . I think they would work hand in hand....

I would always take the side of the Generals in the theater of war than the politicians who have to worry about reelection .

by lori 2009-10-09 06:59AM | 0 recs
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Lori, the President sets the policy and tells the generals to implement it.  Bush decapitated his general staff because of the number of generals who thought ground invasions of Iraq were a bad idea.  On a better note, Truman fired McArthur for marching to the Chinese border.  It's always been thus.

McChrystal is saying that to hold Afghanistan, he wants 40,000 more troops.  Okay, but even if he's right, maybe holding Afghanistan shouldn't be the mission.

by Jess81 2009-10-09 06:43AM | 0 recs
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If I remember your old posts correctly, aren't you the one always sympathetic to neocon reasoning on national security. I am hardly one of the more liberal people on this blog. What Bush did was STUPID. I could care less about a person's ideology when it comes to results.

Now I know why TSA does what it does. It needs to calm down people like you with measures meant for show rather than true security.

You do realize it was people like Feingold and Dean that were right about the Iraq war?

The surge in Iraq was fine. But they wouldnt have needed a surge if they didn't go there in the first place!!!!

by Pravin 2009-10-09 06:45AM | 0 recs
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I was part of a handful of bloggers on this site that supported the surge , the surge turned the war around and saved America and the military from a humiliating defeat  . Same situation in Afghanistan , Obama said its a war of necessity and he has appointed a General who has decided on what he needs to achieve his mission , I think its better to listen to them .  The Bush administration should have listened to Shinseki and others like Powell , he listened to Petraeus after years of mismanagement and loss of life . Obama shouldn't make the same mistake...

by lori 2009-10-09 06:53AM | 0 recs
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Bush had to disregard basically every one of his military advisors in order to implement the surge.

by Steve M 2009-10-09 06:59AM | 0 recs
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No doubt there was division on the policy , He listened to the ones directly in charge of turning the war around ... Peatreus....I think its going to be difficult for Obama to ignore the recommendations of the General he put in place . Lets not forget Hillary Clinton and Petreaus himself seemed to have voiced support for the Generals position... I would be surprised if he the General doesn't get what he needs...

by lori 2009-10-09 07:06AM | 0 recs
In America

Democratically-elected civilian leaders are supposed to set policy.  The slavish devotion to Generals and blind acceptance of their recommendations that you recommend is rather disturbing.

by JJE 2009-10-09 07:10AM | 0 recs
Re: In America

I thought the policy was set a few months ago , if the General comes with a recommendation that would help him achieve that policy , I think it is up to the President to give him what he needs , thats my view..

by lori 2009-10-09 07:17AM | 0 recs
I think

it is the President's duty to give the General whatever the President feels is in the best interests of the country, not whatever the General says he needs.  Deferring to the military has worked out very poorly in the past.

by JJE 2009-10-09 07:20AM | 0 recs
Re: I think

Well , I agree to a certain point . I think the president sets the policy and most times he would give the Generals what is needed to accomplish that mission in their own judgement ,otherwise you would be tying the hands of the Generals and basically dooming the mission .. Look its ultimately up to the President to make a decision on that because he has to live with the consequences .

by lori 2009-10-09 07:28AM | 0 recs
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Hang on, hang on.  Petraeus wasn't in charge of turning the war around until AFTER Bush decided to ignore all of his military advisors and fire the current military leadership.

Petraeus may have been a visionary but as far as Bush's decision to ignore everyone else and listen to this advice that had come to him through a back channel, it was a shot in the dark as far as I'm concerned.  Chalk it up to Bush's famous gut.

by Steve M 2009-10-09 07:23AM | 0 recs
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correct , but he gave Peatreaus what he needed to achieve the new mission after his gut check... This is a similar situation , Obama changed Generals after he had decided on a mission a few months back , the General looks at the theater of war and comes up with a recommendation..I think he should give him what he needs in the absence of a new mission  now if Obama changes the mission and the General changes the recommendation in terms of what he needs ,in that case the number of troops needed could change , in most cases the president would or should give the Generals what is needed to accomplish any chosen mission . The criticisms  of the last administration from the left was not listening to the generals managing the way.

by lori 2009-10-09 07:41AM | 0 recs
No it didn't

It didn't save America from a humilating defeat...that ship had already said before the surge.

all the surge did was prevent a Saigon-type scenario and made us feel better about ourself...but Iraq will forever be a black eye in our nation's history, surge or not.

by DTOzone 2009-10-09 09:30PM | 0 recs
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You are ignoring the main point here. There wouldnt be a need for a surge if Bush never authorized the war in the first place. And not all opponents of the surge had the same reasoning for opposing it. SOme were just fed up with the losses. Theoretically a surge will work in many scenarios . Why not a police surge in drug infested neighborhoods all over america? It is just a temporary fix.

The surge was a strategy for a small portion of the war. It does not make up for the fact that many American lives  and trillions of our money have been thrown down the drain. Let us not even get into the collateral damage in Iraq.

by Pravin 2009-10-10 02:38AM | 0 recs
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General Wes Clark might disagree.

by Nathan Empsall 2009-10-09 08:10PM | 0 recs
I think Obama made a great change in the

World of international polity. By cooling down the heated rhetoric that was synonymous with the Bush administration, bringing back America to the multi-lateralism and international cooperation table, recognizing the ills of global climate change and America's role in it et al. America carries a big stick in the World, it is not apparent to us, but the rest of World can be both amazed or terrified by what we do sometimes..Obama's greatest contribution thus far is reaching out to the Muslim World, restarting Israel-Palestinian peace process, starting back channel talks with Cuba and Iran, making sure the multilateral cooperation energized to take care of North Korea's nuclear proliferation problem et al.

While this was a surprise, I think Obama fully deserved the Nobel Peace Prize.
 

by louisprandtl 2009-10-09 06:18AM | 0 recs
It is very appropriate to read what Shimon

Peres said

Very few leaders if at all were able to change the mood of the entire world in such a short while with such a profound impact," President Shimon Peres of Israel said in a congratulatory letter to Mr. Obama. "You provided the entire humanity with fresh hope, with intellectual determination, and a feeling that there is a lord in heaven and believers on earth."

I think he summed it up very well.

http://thelede.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/10 09/world-reaction-to-a-nobel-surprise

by louisprandtl 2009-10-09 06:23AM | 0 recs
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" I think Obama fully deserved the Nobel Peace Prize ".

- Depends on the criteria being used on the panel...

If he does fully deserve it and I am not arguing one way or the other , then you would have to look at other notable names that have been left out over the years , for example Ronald Reagan .... You cannot overlook the political bias on those making the decision ....

by lori 2009-10-09 06:27AM | 0 recs
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Yes; funding a covert, illegal war in Central America while simultaneously prolonging the cold war are just the sort of things to appeal to a group giving out prizes for peace. Can't imagine why he was overlooked.

by fsm 2009-10-09 06:30AM | 0 recs
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My point exactly ... Obama is carrying on much of the previous administrations policy on National Security , infact he is in the midst of a debate about surging more troops into Afghanistan , drones are still being used in Pakistan with civilian casualties etc ... Comes back to my point , you can't overlook the political bias of those on the panel....

An argument can be made that not much has changed policy wise from Bush on national security ... Infact in terms of actual accomplishment with Regards to peace , I don't think too many people would make an argument that Reagan shouldn't be considered for that price if it wasn't for his ideological disposition and his view of American exceptionalism......

by lori 2009-10-09 06:41AM | 0 recs
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You're point -- exactly -- is that Obama is prolonging the cold war? Wow, I must have missed that memo.

Others have extensively commented in this thread on the changes Obama has made to peace processes throughout the world. Include me among those who are disappointed at his path in Afghanistan, but there's no denying he is on a much different path than Bush.

But your point was about Reagan -- it was Reagan who funded the illegal war in Central America, and it was Reagan who prolonged the cold war. Reagan could have come into office and immediately issued in an era of peace. He chose otherwise. The Nobel prize committee, as well as most of the world, recognizes that fact. Only in neocon America is that fact not realized.

by fsm 2009-10-09 06:59AM | 0 recs
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My point is the ideologically views of those on the committee cannot be ignored in the decisions made . I am not going to debate whether Reagan deserves to be chosen or not , the point of pointing to Reagan is to illustrate the point above...  

by lori 2009-10-09 07:21AM | 0 recs
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Pointing to Reagan to illustrate an ideological bias among the panel only works if, in fact, Reagan deserved to win the prize.

I get that you think Obama didn't deserve the prize either, but as you see throughout these comments, others believe he did; and at least there can be no doubt that Obama believes in the process of peace.

The same cannot be said of Reagan or other conservatives, which would be necessary in order for your claim of bias to be true.

by fsm 2009-10-09 07:27AM | 0 recs
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I haven't said he doesn't deserve the award , frankly my point is I don't really care about the award because the criteria used is very subjective and in many cases ideological disposition not actual achievement is to determining factor...

Obama handled it just perfectly in his press conference...  

by lori 2009-10-09 07:33AM | 0 recs
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The other poster is pointing out that your choice of proving bias is a poor one. It was not Reagan ideological views that harm him with obtaining such a Nobel Prize. If you want to make your case, you need to come up with a better example of ideological bias.

by bruh3 2009-10-09 01:06PM | 0 recs
What?

Invading Grenada, funding latin american death squads, and trading arms to Iran furthered the cause of peace?

by JJE 2009-10-09 07:04AM | 0 recs
I don't think it is a political statement. It is a

statement of where we are today in terms of international foreign policy and multilateral cooperation than we were a year ago.

by louisprandtl 2009-10-09 06:52AM | 0 recs
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Hey, I voted for and generally liked Reagan, but to put him into Obama's category in regards to the Nobel Prize is idiotic.  Reagan stoked the fires of the Cold War, and got VERY lucky in his staring contest with the Soviet Union.  Am I grateful we beat out the Soviet system - Yes.  Should he get a Nobel for it...or anything he did...uh, no.

by Hammer1001 2009-10-09 07:27AM | 0 recs
I think Obama is a Peace maker

Reagan waged War not peace! If they had a War monger Nobel prize Reagan would be on the top of my list! You all seem to forget Obama didn't start ANY of the wars were now in. The issue in front of him is how to end them. It easy to forget who the bad guys are, Most of all mindless to blame Obama as if they are HIS wars. I do think it's fair to question his policys but we cannot treat them as HIS. I do believe whether we like it or not he is trying to end these wars and wage peace. Personally I feel he is doing it to timidly. From his approach to ending the war in Iraq to Afghanistan he is to busy trying to be a middleman rather than a leader. But PEACE is his goal and he is deserving of this NOBEL prize.

by eddieb 2009-10-09 08:44AM | 0 recs
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First off, this is the Nobel panel's way of giving Dick Cheney, and the entire conservative agenda for the last 40 years, the finger, in public for all to see.  Fitting, in my book.  Obama has, by doing things differently in DC, exposed the reactionary, hatefull side of America we have been hiding and not dealing with for much of the last 40 years.  Obama is engaging the world as if we are all equals and grownups, and dealing with those countries leaders who do not act the same.  As the leader of the largest economy on earth in a time of economic crisis; as the leader of the worlds most powerfull military in the time of two wars; and as the leader of the country that had determined to force its political ideas on the rest of the world, He has reset the image of the US and its purpose in the world.  So that you can hear this properly, HE HAS, AS THE LEADER OF THE WORLD MOST PEOPLE ON EARTH HAVE ACCESS TO SEEING, RESET THE IDEA OF WHAT A LEADER OF THE WORLD SHOULD BE LIKE.

Worth a Nobel prize, on its own merits, right there.  He gets his agenda through, give him another, especially in regards to Iraq and Afghanistan.  (And if he survives the attacks of the far right AND the Blog left, give him two more!)

I am no rabid fan of Obama.  But he represents a bright warm shelter after 8 years (or 40) of pissy, cold, dark, wet politics.  I was never so depressed, in all of the years I have been alive, as when W won again in 2004.  And never so damned happy when Obama, and Franken, won in 2008.  DON'T FORGET WHAT WE JUST EMERGED FROM...WE CAN SLIP RIGHT BACK IN.

As for Obama's current agenda...I can see how it pisses off a lot of bloggers.  He is doing things that are almost anathema to the blogging world:  Being patient and engaging his ideological opponents (the moderate right disguised as Independants, not the far-right nuts) in a thoughtful and considerate way.  He is working to bring the country together.

The test is to see who gets elected in 2010.  Unless, of course, it burns your ass to help the President achieve similar goals in a way that is not your own.

by Hammer1001 2009-10-09 06:28AM | 0 recs
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What reactionary and hateful side of America did he expose ?...I am curious to know what you are talking about..

by lori 2009-10-09 06:33AM | 0 recs
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Maybe he's talking about what the bloggers have done...

by Jerome Armstrong 2009-10-09 06:36AM | 0 recs
Pumas, Teabaggers, etc.

by JJE 2009-10-09 07:00AM | 0 recs
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Congressional break town hall meetings.  Arguments over his birth cert well after any reasonable doubt has been satisfied.  Tea-bagger rhetoric.  Glen Beck in general.  Stuff that has, at least in my mind, gone beyond the usual noise of the far-far right.

You know, all the bad stuff we thought we had gotten over because the '60's set us free and we have a black President and look at how progressive we are...

by Hammer1001 2009-10-09 07:32AM | 0 recs
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ok..

by lori 2009-10-09 07:34AM | 0 recs
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I didn't comment on his means, he can use whatever he wants, I want to see the things happen. Period.

by Jerome Armstrong 2009-10-09 06:35AM | 0 recs
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It has been clearly shown that you ignore, or lie about accomplishments made by president Obama.

by lojasmo 2009-10-09 12:46PM | 0 recs
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Fair point. Not sure how this is even debatable.

by bruh3 2009-10-09 01:08PM | 0 recs
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A lot of the reaction is just funny.  Anyone who's been here for longer than a year could have predicted The Blogfather writing what amounts to a damage control piece about it.  There's a visceral hatred of the President, and when it comes from places with no influence and no constituency it's sort of fun to watch.  Which reminds me - I'm also going to check on Goldberry this morning, maybe for the first time in about a year.

The regular political repurcussions will be interesting - on Morning Joe they were wondering whether Obama could offset "the damage" of winning the award; the fact that it would be damaging was just taken as a given.  The optics here are familiar - I'm recalling "a million cheering fans in a European capital" being used as a negative during the Presidential campaign - without much success it's true, but we've been here before.

by Jess81 2009-10-09 06:39AM | 0 recs
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can't mojo this comment enough...

by fogiv 2009-10-09 10:17AM | 0 recs
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This announcement baffled me, and I'm sure I was not the only one to think I was seeing an Onion headline.  Obama will surely not go down as an "infamous" winner of the award like Kissinger or Arafat, but at least someone could point to specific accomplishments that those individuals got the award for.  I think a lot more people than just the haters will be like, "Wait, what has he actually done?"

This is sort of a combination between the "He's not George Bush award" and the "His heart seems to be in the right place award."  I wish I could take this as an indication that the world will now be giving us a free pass for stuff like continuing the war in Afghanistan, but somehow I think that attitude might be limited to elites like the Nobel Committee.

by Steve M 2009-10-09 06:57AM | 0 recs
Farid Zakaria makes the point.

It is great news. But I think it's more an award to America for rejoining the world than recognition of President Obama per se. People here underestimate how relieved the world is to have a more engaged, less bullying America.

http://www.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/europe/10/ 09/zakaria.obama.nobel/index.html

by louisprandtl 2009-10-09 07:03AM | 0 recs
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Well then, I am honored to accept this award.

by Steve M 2009-10-09 07:07AM | 0 recs
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Its the Nobel Peace Prize Award that is moving into borderline irrelevance ..

If I were Obama , I would say thank you and turn the page really quick...

If those at the awards wish to open themselves to ridicule their is not much Obama can do about it ,   this is much more different than the Olympic thing which was avoidable...

by lori 2009-10-09 07:12AM | 0 recs
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You know it's funny - it takes me about a good hour, hour and a half to fully wake up, and as I was getting ready to go to work, walking around my apartment, walking to the subway, blahblahblah I must have heard and seen "Obama wins Nobel Peace Prize" like a dozen times and just completely ignored it as "must be a joke/must have misheard/what was I thinking about again?"

by Jess81 2009-10-09 07:13AM | 0 recs
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If you watched Obama's speech just now you heard about the reaction from his kids, which was pretty classic.

Malia said, "Daddy, you won the Nobel Peace Prize, and it's Bo's birthday."

Sasha said, "And we have a three day weekend coming up!"

by Steve M 2009-10-09 07:24AM | 0 recs
The Nobel Peace Prize

has routintely been given to people of their "heart being in the right place"

by DTOzone 2009-10-09 09:26PM | 0 recs
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It's kind of funny when you think about it.  Virtually everyone was surprised by this announcement, including, by their own admission, the entire White House.  Couple hours go by, some blog publishes a list of past Nobel winners who arguably represent precedents for Obama's win.  All of a sudden, everyone is like "oh yeah, this is totally routine!"  Makes you wonder why so many people were surprised in the first place.

by Steve M 2009-10-09 10:52PM | 0 recs
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No, I mean it makes total sense once it's explained to you.  But the thing is, and you really can't get around it, IT HAS TO BE EXPLAINED TO YOU.

by Jess81 2009-10-10 03:34AM | 0 recs
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I echo the sentiments of so many above: I am much honored for our country by this Nobel Peace Prize and for the Obama administration's great hope for progress in reversing eight years of reactionary Bush rule.

I hope that in receiving this singular distinction, President Obama is further compelled to avoid reactionary calls, be they from entrenched Insurance-industry controlled Democratic and Republican Senators, or frrom members of the Military-Industrial Complex, driving us ever more into an Afghanistan quagmire.

President Obama is brilliant man with a supreme oratory.  This I always acknowledged, even though I remain a passionate Clinton advocate.

Indeed, the fact that former President Clinton has never won (and is not likely ever to win) the Nobel Peace Prize, though I believe his key effort on behalf of the Irish Peace Accords (culminating in a 1998 Nobel Peace Prize to Irish government leaders) and certainly his Clinton Global Initative alone would make him a worthy recipient, does not lessen my admiration for Nobel Peace Committee's three-strike slap at the Bush administration in selecting three Bush adversaries in just seven years--former President Carter in 2002, former Vice President Gore in 2007, and now President Obama.

Still, President Obama was obviously recognized more for his promise than any diplomatic accomplishments.  Theodore Roosevelt and Woodrow Wilson were into their second terms when each received the Prize, and in any event Teddy Roosevelt is viewed today as more a jingoist than a peace crusader.  

Dr. Henry Kissinger's being a co-recipient of the 1973 Prize in his efforts to bring a resolution to the Vietnam conflict, although himself an architect of that war's protracted terribly misguided mission, was met with such derision that two of the five-member panel that year resigned in protest--thus revealing the true vote.  It may be said that the three who decided it never lived down their stupidity.

Many of the Nobel Peace Prize winners were absolutely silly choices; in retrospect even disastrous selections. Argentina's Carlos Lamas in 1936 did not, even remotely, bring about accord between Bolivia and Paraguey, but he was conferred the prize anyway, evidently having circulated with thr right crowd of Scandinavian emissaries.

Indeed, one can peruse the history of this Prize and note the tortured logic in the Committee's decision-making processes.  If one has any doubts of just how tortured that logic is, either in selecting or not selecting candidates, I would urge you to proceed to the Nobel website, wherein one finds a several-page mea culpa as to why Mahatma Gandhi was never selected.  He is now referred to as "The Missing Laureate."  But I assure you that you find the rationale concerning the omission an absolute hoot.

Thus, in conclusion, be very proud of the selection of President Obama as it strikes yet another blow at American reactionaries.  But do take the award with a grain of salt.  The Nobel Peace Prize history is checkered indeed--revealing all too often the checkered motives on the part of both recipients and those who have conferred the prizes to them.

by lambros 2009-10-09 07:12AM | 0 recs
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What checkered motive on the part of THIS recipient do you think has been revealed?

by Jess81 2009-10-09 07:16AM | 0 recs
BARACK OBAMA WINS NOBEL PEACE PRIZE

I love you but, but, but and more buts. For all it's fallibilities the Nobel Prize is an honored institution. Few in the world are chosen and they deserve our praise. I would rather discuss how this will effect Obama and what he will do with the prestige that comes with it. I hope it will push him to stand up to the War mongers/Neocons and stand strong in getting us out of Iraq, closing Guantanamo, de-esclating our presence in Afghanistan, establishing a peaceful relationship with Iran, find a road to peace in the middle east.  

by eddieb 2009-10-09 08:09AM | 0 recs
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I was expecting something a little more positive about this from you people, but that's my fault.
Never understimate the nitpicking abilities of the Blog Birch Society.
by spirowasright 2009-10-09 08:36AM | 0 recs
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And I'm sure you little old lefties in tennis shoes would just a dismissive if the Nobel Peace Prixe had gone to Super Kucinich.

by spirowasright 2009-10-09 08:38AM | 0 recs
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You're overreacting.  btw, check this out:

Yes, exactly. He has made a huge mistake in purchasing this prize for himself. This will not go unanswered. An outrage of this magnitude is so very transparent to even his lingering supporters. I am having great difficulty with this shock. This is the only place I have found at this hour that is discussing this travesty. This prize was purchased. That is the only explanation and if he thinks this will not be dug into and examined very very closely he is a bigger fool than even I thought. This is an outrage. It has essentially rendered the Nobel Prize useless in it's gravity. It is now meaningless. Oh.My.God. I in indredulous. I just can't function at all right now. I turned on my TV to get the overnight news and when they said this I thought it was a sick joke. Then....my worst fears proved to be true....he actually was awarded the prize for doing NOTHING. Oh, this is huge because it is so very transparent. well, I'd better end this here because I am able to just keep going and that isn't good. Oh dear. What the hell have we come to? Oh, I am distraught here. I need to rant some more. Please excuse. I am beside myself. Thanks all for bearing with me here. It is just after 7 in the morning and I need a drink. oh my. I just don't know what to do. Damn.

That's the flavor over at Goldberry's Animal Shelter.  Also references to winning a Nobel Prize in Literature for "the book that Ayres wrote" etc.

by Jess81 2009-10-09 08:44AM | 0 recs
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PS: I in indredulous as well.

by Jess81 2009-10-09 08:45AM | 0 recs
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Do these people even breath?  Is this the conclusion of the "don't spank your kids under any circumstances" parenting style?  All I see is a reflection of my 9 yo daughter having a tantrum because the world does not revolve around her (She is at that point where you give up self-centeredness and enter the world as a member rather than overlord.  You know, the part ultra-righties and lefties miss out on...)

And the prize was purchased?  I suppose "they" will believe it, like the whole birth-cert crap, because, honestly, it is what "they" would have done, you know, if they were in charge.  But that would be ok.

Man, I in indredulous too!

by Hammer1001 2009-10-09 10:26AM | 0 recs
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That should be ultra-righties and ultra-lefties...

(Don't want to piss off normal lefties...)  ;)

by Hammer1001 2009-10-09 10:28AM | 0 recs
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Also, I like this:

An outrage of this magnitude is so very transparent to even his lingering supporters.

followed by this:

This is the only place I have found at this hour that is discussing this travesty.

The only place.  btw I'm pretty sure 'hour' there is a metaphor since the timestamp was like 11AM.

by Jess81 2009-10-10 03:39AM | 0 recs
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And I promise I'll shut up about it eventually but it's such a nice distillation of what happens when the two primary elements of that personality type collide.  Because here we see "We are the last few courageous people in a sick society" running headlong into "there's gonna be a reckoning.  The people will rise up."  Those things can't be true at the same time.

What else?  Oh yeah, I also like the rambling overwrought style reads almost exactly like Miles Outlandish's old posts when he would pretend to be gay, and wounded by something Obama had said or done.  The only thing missing is "I wish Leonard was here to hold me."

by Jess81 2009-10-10 03:45AM | 0 recs
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And who ends their posts with "damn." as a sentence?!  Like "It's missing something... there - now it's complete.  damn."

by Jess81 2009-10-10 03:47AM | 0 recs
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Now THIS is a much better critical article than the Olympic piece.  This actually addresses faults and some of the slow movement on campaign promises as well as the policy making of Emanuel, unlike the BS olympic piece with the Grateful Dead video which served no purpose at all.    

by 30000Fine 2009-10-09 09:16AM | 0 recs
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How could taking a moment to listen to Garcia serve "no purpose at all" my friend? That's talking blasphemous trash.

by Jerome Armstrong 2009-10-09 10:50AM | 0 recs
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The best argument I have heard is that this is an incentive for future action rather than a reflection of past action.

by bruh3 2009-10-09 01:10PM | 0 recs

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