Hotline Poll: Dems Have 24-Point Generic Ballot Lead

With numbers like these (.pdf), it's hard to understand why Congressional Republicans are so intent upon maintaining the same course that has led them to lose over a dozen Senate seats and close to 60 House seats over the past two cycles.

And, thinking about the next elections for U.S. Congress in 2010, if the elections for U.S. Congress were held today, would you be voting for the (ROTATED) Democratic candidate or the Republican candidate?

Democrat Candidate: 46 percent
Republican Candidate: 22 percent

The remaining third of voters either refuse to support either party (5 percent) or are undecided (27 percent).

Why, if the public has already clearly rejected the Republican Party in two straight elections and early indications suggest that the party is gearing up for a third straight drubbing, do Republicans continue to embrace radical far right policies? I understand from a political science level that the decrease in moderates within the GOP, particularly in the House of Representatives, has led to a more conservative party in Congress. But still. Don't these people understand that their strategy isn't working? That President Obama was elected by a wide margin and is wildly popular? Do the Republicans really want to lose more seats in 2010?

Tags: 111th Congress, House 2010 (all tags)

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Veto-Proof Senate Majority

Can you say it?

by Zeitgeist9000 2009-01-28 10:53AM | 0 recs
I don't know

On the one hand, there is something to be said for sticking to your principles rather than compromising just to win elections.  In the long run, that is often more helpful than selling out for the sake of one 2- or 4-year cycle.

However, the Republicans' core principles are unlikely, in my opinion, to suddenly come back in vogue.  

1) A commitment to faith-based reasoning at the expense of hard science (see global warming, renewable energy, evolution).

2) Uncritical, unilateral support for Israel, based partly upon eschatological/endtimes beliefs, specifically that peace in Israel will usher in the Rapture.

3) A relatively harsh anti-immigration stance that ignores changing demographics.

4) Little attempt to understand, or care about, non-dominant culture, especially those of young people, urban African Americans, and Hispanics.

All of these are going to be more problematic in the future.  When (if?) the economy turns around, it is possible that the idea of low-taxes, small-government could become wildly popular again.  But the four above are very unlikely to be net positives in the coming years and decades.

1) The Western world, including America, has been trending away from religion, especially any strict belief in the accuracy of the Bible.

2) Support for Israel will likely remain strong (as I think it should), but it will be increasingly based on non-religious reasoning.  Specifically, Americans will increasingly ask to what extent uncritical support of Israel does for our own security.  

3) The increase in the numbers of Hispanics in America speaks for itself, as many will increasingly harbor resentment against an immigration policy that is (and is widely perceived as) anti-Latino.

4) Losing young people, and being wholly unwilling to embrace technology, is going to be a huge problem going forward.  Also, as many of the culture wars only 50/50 (ish) when America is a country where almost everyone is a Christian, the trend away from religion also likely means most of the Culture Wars are going to be over after the next decade (abortion, marijuana, gay marriage, separation of church and state).

That being said, I can understand why Republicans do not (and cannot) suddenly sacrifice all of these principles en masse.  For their own sake, though, they will need to learn to change gradually if they want to be relevant.

by ProgressiveDL 2009-01-28 11:15AM | 0 recs
Dude

all they have is Reagan. They have followed a single orthodoxy for so long that they're incapable of generating new policy.

For all our fractious (and sometimes hysterical) contentiousness, Liberals are constantly evaluating and reevaluating. Elect a Catholic! A Southern Governor! A Black Dude! Wind Energy! Infrastructure! We're always trying the next thing.

I'm not sure the GOP can really do anything different at this point, and remain the GOP.

by Neef 2009-01-28 11:25AM | 0 recs
Re: Dude

I think that if they really wanted to revolutionize their party, they could do so by coalescing around a "fix ourselves first" stance.  Stop giving money to other countries, particularly the ones that don't really like us (such as Pakistan).  Go all in on immediate energy independence by any means necessary, including nuclear, wind, solar, and biofuel, and acknowledge that drilling will take too long.  Settle on a "live and let live" policy in regards to religious differences, while also compromising enough to try reducing abortions (by finally and fully embracing all forms of birth control, including the pill) rather than simply outlawing them.  Attempt to fix education, especially science and math.

Some of these things could be done without huge government spending.  They could still hang on to things like being against all forms of entitlement programs, they could continue selling highway rights, they could continue their anti-immigration stance, they could still be for lower taxes, and they could really push hard for a flat tax.  They could keep forcefully trying to save gun rights.  

They would gain a lot of moderates, especially low-info ones, if they really went with the "common sense" theme and focused on fixing things in a relatively fiscally conservative manner.  

The problem is, it would mean essentially jettisoning religious fundamentalism from their party and they seem wholly unwilling to do that yet.  But if you think about it, where the hell else would the fundies go?  They sure wouldn't become Democrats.  And if some of them stopped voting, I still think Republicans would more than balance it out with getting moderates and maybe even some young people.  

They wouldn't get my vote, but I could at least respect them.  I don't see it happening, though.

by ProgressiveDL 2009-01-28 11:52AM | 0 recs
Re: Dude

Seriously? You think they could do this?

Now, that would be scary...

by klevenstein 2009-01-28 11:56AM | 0 recs
Re: Dude

Ha, no I don't think they can do it because too many of their leaders are tied up in religion.  Even though many of their political leaders don't necessarily espouse fundamentalism, A LOT of their money comes from fundamentalist Christians.  It might be that they couldn't survive the loss of that money, and I would bet that fear about losing that money is going to keep them from moving away from religion for a long time.  

But I don't think they have quite gotten to the point yet where they realize they have nothing to lose.  Their leaders point out (rightfully) that they aren't really getting blown out in most of these elections.  Yet.  They clearly haven't bought into the idea that young people are overwhelmingly Democrats, and liberal ones at that.  It may take another 4 years before it becomes obvious that the trendlines are not with the Republicans.  That being said, if younger people and minorities don't roll out in big numbers in 2012, Obama may still win but only by a small amount.  That could continue to lull the Republicans into thinking things are not as bad as they really are.  

Here is an example.  A recent Pew study showed that only 1.6% of people identified as atheist, and only 2.4% as agnostic.  So conservatives see that and say "See, 96% of Americans believe in God."  But what they miss is that 12.1% identify as "Nothing in Particular."  I take that to be "spiritual" or "I believe in God but not religion."  Those people, for the most part, are not shoo-ins for the Republican Party.  

Even more importantly, and this is something that I think religious conservatives are deliberately self-delusional on this, only 39% of Americans attend religious services once a week.  And only 54% go once per month.  46% go a few times a year, seldom, or never.  And while Protestants go more often than those of most other faiths (Mormons go the most by far), only 58% of evangelical protestants go every week.  

As a liberal and an atheist, I am very heartened by these numbers.

by ProgressiveDL 2009-01-28 12:12PM | 0 recs
Links

Oops, sorry.  Here are the links.

Frequency of attendance:  

http://religions.pewforum.org/pdf/table- frequency-of-attendance-at-religious-ser vices-by-religious-tradition.pdf

Main page of the report, which shows self-identification of religious affiliation:

http://religions.pewforum.org/reports

by ProgressiveDL 2009-01-28 12:14PM | 0 recs
Re: Dude

The GOP jettisoning religious fundamentalism would be like you and I jettisoning a kidney =). That's their workhorse demographic, the basis of their GOTV. The fiscal conservatives are at least loosely basing their allegiance on fact, so they are potential defectors - look how many of the republican intelligentsia were labeled "traitors" during the election.

While the proposals you mention are sensible, and very viable, I don't think they "move" people like God Guns and Gays. Frankly I think that without the religious right, the GOP is essentially the Right-ish wing of the Libertarian Party.

by Neef 2009-01-28 12:03PM | 0 recs
Re: Dude

Actually, it would be more like you getting rid of both your kidneys.  They are in a catch-22. To eliminate and marginalize the right is to end their power nationally for a generation, but to leave the Christian conservatives at the table is to consign them to a regional party status for almost as long.

by bruh3 2009-01-28 12:35PM | 0 recs
Re: Dude

Another example would be for the Democratic party to get rid of African Americans.  The AA vote is the most loyal of all constituencies and they consistently deliver at a greater than 70% rate...

Evangelicals are the same way for the Republics... you take them out of the party, you've lost a lot of votes...

by LordMike 2009-01-28 12:51PM | 0 recs
Re: Dude

Actually there are a few constituencies like that for the Democrats including African Americans (85 percent and up), gays (where we can count the numbers (hard to do) it's at worse 70 percent and up), and groups like Latinos and Jewish demographics vote 60 percent and up for us. So our coalition has a lot of hard core supporters.

by bruh3 2009-01-28 02:00PM | 0 recs
simple answers to simple questions

Don't these people understand that their strategy isn't working?

No.

http://www.bleedingheartland.com/showDia ry.do?diaryId=2381

by desmoinesdem 2009-01-28 11:47AM | 0 recs
Re:

The big problem the GOP is facing is that the goalposts have shifted more dramatically to the left than even many on the left thought possible.  People have discarded conservative trickle-down economics as colossal failures and are entrusting their economic future to the Democratic party.  The pitfall is that we have to show that we can do it better, overall, but for now we are in a strong position.  

The GOP is basically depending on and banking on Democrats to fail to get the economy stabilized, so they can gain relevance again.  They know that if Democrats are successful in bringing the economy back to an extent and in passing and enacting a universal health care system that people are likely to embrace the Democrats even more and discard GOP principles as failures.  

by devilrays 2009-01-28 11:52AM | 0 recs
Re: Hotline Poll: Dems Have 24-Point Generic Ballo

With each new obstruction or attempted obstruction of our government's just, functional (i.e., not dysfunctional) progress since 2006, I find myself cheering the GOP thus: Swiftly, onward to your ultimate, self-imposed and absolute Obsolescence... and Thank You for listening.

by klevenstein 2009-01-28 11:53AM | 0 recs
The answer to your question is no

Short answer to your question about the conservatives who remain in the GOP members of Congress: No.

From a politicial history perspective, how long did it take the Democrats to realize that things had changed in the 1980s? I would argue they did not substantive change strategies until 1992 with the election of Clinton.

For that matter, how long is it taking for the Democrats now to realize that the Reagan revolution is mostly dead? I would argue that this has not yet occured, and will not occur until a subsequent revolution the equivalent of the 1994 revolution of the Republicans in Congress.

I am thinking this will not occur for one or two more election cycles as the present leadership either moves on or is moved on.

We are in the early stages of a Democratic majority. It will take almost a decade to consolidate that power with new world views becoming the cw. The American public , as always with this, is a few years ahead of the Congress and even the President.

by bruh3 2009-01-28 12:33PM | 0 recs
Dems Have 24-Point Generic Ballot Lead

On one hand, no one is above 50%.

On the other hand, to some extent the point of a political party is to win elections by selling the public on the notion that your candidates are trustworthy and your ideas are right, not to get jobs for placeholders whose positions are indistinguishable from those of another party's.

The Democratic Party did not regain government by endorsing torture, extraordinary rendition, and universal wiretapping.  And if it had, what would have been the point?

The Republicans have a similar answer.  Their party is there to represent their opinions, not progressive democratic thinking, not your opinion or my opinion (allowing none of us are Huckabee Republicans -- if you are, your party is there to represent your opinion, and you should be proud when it does so well, and incidentally when it puts forward candidates who would competently put your positions into effect.)

My last point goes equally for every other political party.

by phillies 2009-01-28 01:02PM | 0 recs
a very good point

If they act like Democrats, or Libertarians, they're not Republicans.

On the other hand, a party out of power doesn't get to enact it's principles. So where is the balance between impotent purity, and compromised power?

Moreover, does the GOP even have any maneuvering room? Their Right is both their anchor and manacle. On the Left, we shift pretty freely between McGovern and Obama/Clinton.

by Neef 2009-01-28 01:14PM | 0 recs
Not a Surprising Outcome

Republicans are a religious based party. Even the non-religious Republicans are religious in the sense that they have faith in free markets. Their rigid "My way or the highway" ideology is compounded by the fact that the bulk of Republican politicians belong to the Baby Boom generation, a generation that is attracted to rigid ideology.

The nation is tired of the Republicans trying to ram down their rigid ideology down their throats. their leadership has failed and they respond by becoming even more rigid.

If not a single Republican can agree to vote for the stimulus bill even after Obama's good-will concessions, then its time to take back the concessions, twist a few arms to get the 60 votes needed in the senate, and ram the bill down their throats.

by Zzyzzy 2009-01-28 01:39PM | 0 recs
Re: Dems Have 24-Point Generic Ballot Lead

The Republicans are between a rock and a hard place right now. A lot of the positions they support are unpopular with a significant if not vast majority of the populace, especially in the social issues realm. Worse, they are definitely unpopular with a VAST majority of younger voters (age 18-29), as demonstrated by Obama's overwhelming victory in that demographic. So it's bad and the trendlines are worse if something doesn't change with them (or for them, such as some strongly Democratic-backed legislation or issue(s) dramatically backfire).

It's true, as one commentor pointed out, that the generic Democratic candidate polls under 50 percent, primarily I think due to the fact that so many (27 percent) gave a "don't know" response, reflective I think of continued mega-election-coverage-dominance burnout/hangover. But the aspirin is slowly taking effect.

What seems truly astounding is that the generic Republic Party (snark) candidate polls a mere 22%, below even the anemic Bush approval numbers for the last year or so of his Presidency. That's remarkable.

The major problem for them at this point - let's use ProgressiveDL's numbers and assumptions for a minute - is that the demographic strongly pushing what are becoming generally and increasingly unpopular positions, especially in the social/cultural issues realm, are religious conservatives. If the 39% of Americans that attend church weekly roughly represent the religious conservative base (I suspect the proportion of RC's is a bit less than that in reality), that makes them a significant minority of the populace... but a majority of the Republic party, not to mention that they are the demographic most willing and able to throw money at the party's election campaigns. So they are able to control the Republic Party's platform if they have the will and stamina to do so, as they seem always to have.

At this point, it seems the Republic Party's best option is to try to move their hearts and minds more toward libertarian ideas (or at least toward policies that maximize individual freedoms even if some government intervention is needed to do so); party leaders can push ideas at the RC leaders and rank/file like...

(a) government-backed imposition of religiously-based values can backfire if the precedent is set and an anti-religious faction takes power; the best way to assure your own freedom to worship and believe as you see fit is to guarantee that for all people and faiths.

(b) abortion can be pragmatically reduced if we work with more moderate politicians to put policies in place that reduce the conditions that give rise to their need in the first place, rather than putting all our efforts toward a militant but consistently fruitless goal of reversing Roe v. Wade by any means necessary.

(c) they must push to divorce themselves from the idea that when government makes something legal, that it de facto renders some sort of cultural impramatur on that which is legalized (such as, making abortion legal implies government and cultural support for abortions; teaching detailed and accurate sex education in schools means the government and "America" supports teenagers having sex; legalizing gay marriage means the government and the country as a whole are promoting it as a good alternative lifestyle; etc.). The purpose of laws and whatever amount of governmental structure we Republics support is to maximize freedom to allow everyone their "pursuit of happiness" and extend opportunity to everyone as much as possible. And by making this the point of governmental action (rather than some sort of moral 'thumbs up') we guarantee our own right to spread the word of God and live in the manner that we see fit.

I could go on but you get my drift (actually, you probably did several paragraphs ago and have now entered the MEGO phase). Right now I don't see any other way for the Republics to maintain the support of RC's while making their platform more palatable to the rest of America, especially the younger generations now overwhelmingly supporting Democratic policies

by RecoveringRepublican 2009-01-28 10:22PM | 0 recs
Re: Hotline Poll:

Actually the behavior of the Republicans in the House is easy to understand.  House districts have been so gerrymandered that the vast majority of members have to appeal to the extremes to be elected.  The moderate and reasonable conservative Republican members have been voted out over the last two elections.  All that's left are the right wing extremists, whose districts are so drawn that only right wing extremists can win.  Even if they recognize the problems their party faces nationally, they have no incentive to change if they want to be re-elected.

That's why there tends to be a lot more reasonable people in the Senate, since they have to appeal to a broader base to get elected with the exception of a very few states.  Senate Republicans will try to move their party off an untenable position, but are likely to fail given the 2010 playing field.

It will probably take a major Democratic screw-up to bring the Republicans back.  And note, it took TWO terms of Bush to knock them down.  Nothing in his second term should have surprised viewers of his first term, yet his party maintained total control in 2004 anyway!  So even if we flub it, it will likely take a good number of years for them to recover.

by LanceS 2009-01-29 05:31AM | 0 recs

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