Two More Polls Show a Tight Race Nationally

I noted a little earlier that despite Gallup polling showing John McCain maintaining a noticeable lead over Barack Obama nationally, surveys from three other pollsters showed the race to be significantly closer. Now you can add to that list two more polls from reputable organizations.

Washington Post/ABC News RVs

John McCain (R): 46 percent (43)
Barack Obama (D): 47 percent (49)

Washington Post/ABC News LVs

John McCain (R): 49 percent (45)
Barack Obama (D): 47 percent (49)

CBS News/New York Times RVs (.pdf)

John McCain (R): 46 percent (42)
Barack Obama (D): 44 percent (45)

Again, I reiterate my point from earlier in the day. It looks like there has been movement towards McCain -- just as there was movement away from Obama following his convention. And it could be that Gallup is correct in seeing a wide McCain lead. But increasingly Gallup is standing alone in this estimation, with now five other pollsters also releasing numbers today, all of which range from a 1-point Obama lead to a 2-point McCain lead. I'm not ready to call the Gallup poll an outlier at this juncture, but neither am I ready to hyperventilate about its results either.

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23 Comments

The race is tied

I think it can be safe to say that the USAToday/Gallup poll is an outlier.

by puma 2008-09-08 02:01PM | 0 recs
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As so many have said, we may well see a jostling situation in the next few days. Whether it is 1 o 2 or 5 points, who knows? Speculation: There has been a small shift in momentum--whether it is only which party had the later convention, who knows? One thing is apparent in the hallways and byways in which I have been the fast few days: A lot of people are talking about politics in places where it hasn't been so obvious before. On Sunday morning, in the Church basement, coffee and donuts became the setting for political discourse coming from several directions around me. (Catholic church) In the neighborhood restaurant on Saturday night, political talk throughout. (nice little French restaurant) Whatever it is--and, only based on my experience--something is happening.

by christinep 2008-09-08 02:08PM | 0 recs
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I'll wait for some more polls before I make any judgments, but one thing is clear - McCain has broken out of his lower 40s.

by Drummond 2008-09-08 02:09PM | 0 recs
What poll had Obama +1?

I missed that one, but would like to see it.

by Davidsfr 2008-09-08 02:11PM | 0 recs
Freudian slip there?

just as there was movement away from Obama following his convention.

Don't you mean, "...movement TO Obama following his convention."

by MtnFrost 2008-09-08 02:14PM | 0 recs
On the other hand

Forgot to share that my wife, who up until recently was a mild Hillary supporter, has since Palin's introduction become a rabid Obama supporter.  We gave generously to his campaign.  

Just to remind everyone Palin is not going to be a long term game changer.  :)

by MtnFrost 2008-09-08 02:18PM | 0 recs
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New state polls from Rasmussen:

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_c ontent/politics/election_20082/2008_pres idential_election/fox_rasmussen_polling/ fox_rasmussen_swing_state_polling

Up in CO (awesome), pretty far down in OH, down by 2 in VA,  but TIED in FL!

I knew Palin would not go over well in FL, this is pretty good proof of that.  

by neko608 2008-09-08 02:25PM | 0 recs
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Wow, interesting.  I'd love to see the regional data on Ohio... it's really important to know if McCain's lead is coming from Columbus or the Rust Belt...

by auronrenouille 2008-09-08 02:31PM | 0 recs
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Thank you for some sanity... one strange poll does not the end of the world make.  Also, one favorable poll does not an election make.  It's important for people to chill out and wait to see where things settle, and in the meanwhile to keep volunteering and doing what each person is able to do.

by auronrenouille 2008-09-08 02:29PM | 0 recs
Re: Two More Polls Show a Tight Race Nationally

BTW check out the new Obama "WHOA" ad on Kos...

IT'S ABOUT FREAKIN' TIME!!!!!

by neko608 2008-09-08 02:33PM | 0 recs
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...but neither am I ready to hyperventilate about its results either.

But Singer, panic is all the rage here.

by fogiv 2008-09-08 02:42PM | 0 recs
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Perhaps Gallup is correct.  Its better to increase our efforts in electing Obama than to worry about what a certain poll says.

by agpc 2008-09-08 03:06PM | 0 recs
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Yeah there's a difference between responding with renewed energy and responding by sitting down in the corner and sobbing - you've hit that difference on the head :).  I'm not going to freak out about the Gallup poll, but it is a sign that I should try to step it up.

by auronrenouille 2008-09-08 03:59PM | 0 recs
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Pretty much the same as Gallup for the CBS poll, just weighted heavily to Dems. Look at the actual party breakdown before you draw conclusions.

Democrats
Obama   88
McCain   5

Republicans
Obama    7
McCain  87

Independents
Obama 29
McCain 55

Anyone who thinks Obama is only down 2% while losing Independents by a margin of 26 percent is delusional.

Weighted to a party id that's more likely, based on past results, the result:

McCain- 49.5
Obama- 42.5

by Jerome Armstrong 2008-09-08 03:08PM | 0 recs
Jerome, stop

6 out of 7 polls say about the same thing, 1 doesn't.

Are you also going to discount the Ras state polls that just came out too that show Obama actually IMPROVING in two of the states sampled?

For reference -

PA Obama 47, McCain, 45
VA Obama 47, McCain 49
FL Obama 48, McCain 48
OH Obama 44, McCain 51
CO Obama 49, McCain 46

If those are the numbers on the night of Nov 4 this year, Obama wins the election. And they were taken on Sunday just after the GOP convention.

Rasmussen, BTW, was the most accurate pollster in both '04 and '06 on a state by state basis.

by Ben P 2008-09-08 03:26PM | 0 recs
Re: Jerome, stop

by auronrenouille 2008-09-08 04:12PM | 0 recs
Re: Jerome, stop

If you've been reading this AM, you'll notice I pointed out the exact same thing for 2 of the others as well.

But yea, I'll drink the reality drink alone here.

by Jerome Armstrong 2008-09-08 04:39PM | 0 recs
Re: Jerome, stop

Hrm, my comment got eaten alive.  Anyhow, you're basically right.  There's a phrase in medical circles (and on medical dramas ;p) - "When you hear hoofbeats, think horses, not zebras."  If you see 6 polls with a mild bounce and one with an astronomical bounce, it's significantly more likely that the 6 are correct.  It's basically a corollary of Ockham's Razor - the explanation requiring the least unfounded inferences is the correct one.

by auronrenouille 2008-09-08 05:37PM | 0 recs
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And anyone that thinks Obama is losing independents by 26% is drinking McCain Kool-Aid.

by kjblair2 2008-09-08 04:30PM | 0 recs
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Jerome is wrong using Gallup,

Gallup's likely voter model has shown wild swings,

2000 election

OCT. 24 gORE UP BY 1
oCT. 27 bUSH UP BY 13

tHEY COULD NOT EVEN PICK THE WINNER IN 2004

by BDM 2008-09-08 07:35PM | 0 recs
Looks like cherrypicking to me

Gallup is wrong, Rasmussen is wrong - is every poll you don't want to believe wrong? Hey, elections aren't won by sticking your head in the sand!

by Gray 2008-09-09 02:15AM | 0 recs
Anyone who believes McCain can't win...

is actually drinking the Obama Kool aid. History shows, time and again, that voters don't vote with their wallets, but their instincts. Sometimes, both arguments apply, fine. But relying on voters making rational decisions is a recipe for disaster. It's the perception of the candidate that matters. And looking phlegmatic and arrogant when the situation calls for action certainly isn't what the voters want to see in a president. Forget about logical arguments, for many voters, McCain's choice of Palin for VP looks more like change than good ole Biden. The Obama camp has to counter that impression, and soon!

by Gray 2008-09-09 02:04AM | 0 recs
Let's wait two months to see how this develop

Or better, not? Let's face it: The republican convention bounce is higher than the Dem one. Palin trumps Biden. Now, is there historic evidence that this will last only a week, and then the numbers will be the same as before? Afaik, no. So it's a bad idea to hesitate, there has to be a counter attack soon. Elections aren't won by relaxed candidates who laugh concerns off when they're actually trailing behind in the polls.

by Gray 2008-09-09 01:56AM | 0 recs

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