But don't Jew generally vote for Democrats anyway?

I've noticed how my mother has responded to Palin: horror. I guarantee you those wavering Jewish voters in Florida are in Obama's corner after Palin.

When you peel off the onion layers you get somebody in Palin who resembles a lot of real anti-Semitic nutjobs. The conspiracy idiots in the AIP are another tipoff. This reminds me of Helen Chenoweth, former Idaho Congresswoman sympathetic to the militia movement. Jews find those sorts of people terrifying.

I'm not saying Palin is anti-Semitic at all. But I'm saying that she sends a very bad vibe to Jews.

Doesn't matter one whit if Palin DOES get them CO and NM if they lose FL. And I don't think she will

Will be interested to see ratings for this convention tonight.

I would give this a pass. I would hate for this to become a reason to revisit Jeremiah Wright.

Jonathan, what do you expect from someone born in Idaho, raised in Alaska and a member of the AIP?  This thing is the biggest joke. Since McCain decided to not properly vett Palin, the MSM will GLADLY do the job for her.  And just to think Stupid JOE Blow heart Liberman is about to go on stage against his constituency and endorse his buddy.  What are all the Jewish voters in Florida going to think after this news on the "circus show" name Palin comes out.  Man this shit is getting easy like Jerome stated earlier.

More stuff?

Lieberman is starting up. HATE HIM ( CAPLOCKS)!

...weren't coming around to Obama until Palin happened.  Now they're all rallying.

I know how much Jews for Jewish piss me off and I'm not even practicing.  

audience, testifying his conversion to the religous right.

for the next sixty days.  Palin is the absolute wrong VP for Florida.  The seniors who dislike Obama are probably going to dislike Palin as well.  There's now Jewish skepticism on McCain's ticket.  Also, the fact that she knows relatively little about foreign policy should make Cubans skeptical of McCain's ticket given that Cubans usually go for the pubs at higher percentages than other hispanic groups because of their alleged foreign policy prowess.

I predict Florida will now join OH, VA, CO, NH, and NV as pure toss-up states.  The good news is that only one of the five is a Kerry state.

Jewish Voter here and let me be very clear I find this "religion" completely disgraceful. They are in no way Jewish of all the things that are bendable in a Reformed Jew's life believing in Jesus is not one of them.

They use the name to generate media to help try and get converts.

I don't care what anyone practices - it is their life but twisting my religion for the sake of a few headlines just pisses me off to no end.

Who would have thought that McCain would shore up Obama's experience and his strength with Jewish voters in one fell swoop of a VP pick?  I think Palin is going to be a disaster among Independent moderates as well.

As a side note, I REALLY hope that someone is able to get in touch with that Alaskan librarian and find out exactly what books Palin was trying to get banned for "inappropriate language".  I think it has the potential to be far bigger than the trooper issue.

Though not observant.

Those people freak me the fuck out, for reals.  I do not, I repeat, I do not like them or their approach to actual real Jews.

Leave me the fuck alone.  The evangelicals are bad enough.

Who will be the first to ask JoeMentum when he joined Jews for Jesus?

I completely fail to see any difference between this an Rev. Wright.

But that didn't stop me from (somewhat gleefully) spreading this news to several of my Jewish in-laws, and in particular the one who can't quite get past the Obama is a muslim rumor.

This is one case where if the other side isn't going to play fair, I'm not going to worry about being inconsistent in my beliefs either.

Jews for jesus offends Jewish people, but the other side is that evangelicals love Israel and back it with donations and political will. So, it's six of one. I fear that McCain isn't very interested in pushing for peace, he doesn't seem to have that on his radar. Even though Barack isn't saying much, I'd think any Democrat would be a better advocate for peace there than Bush, who essentially did nothing.  According to Peace Now the settlements are still being built, and not on Israel's side of the fence.  It's a big problem.

Jews are divided on this one, just as are Israelis.  Although I'd venture to guess there are more outspoken peace activists in Israel than there are here.  It's like immigration, I don't think it's going to help either of them to force them to make a stand, but Sarah's beliefs do indicate that she wouldn't press Israel to make concessions. but then as VP what she thinks may not matter. He didn't pick her for her foreign policy creds, but for her appeal to evangelicals and libertarians, and to try and sucker Barack into making sexist attacks on her.  That's what I think.  

George Lakoff's and DU poster Tygrbright's strategies:

Jews for Jesus is the first giant stink to put on Palin: Communicate to your undecided Jewish friends and family hat she is a risky choice, because she is.

The second meme is her Naked Ambition. She tells bald-faced lies, she fires those who disagree with her, she uses her family as political cover, etc.. etc., etc. She's the SCARY HILLARY the Repubs despise and fear.

It'll take the shine right off of her and quick.

we must be very careful how we attack Palin... she may look out of place or unqualified to us, but to the fundamentalist rightwing christianist base (the GOP that votes) she talks their talk and walls their walk.... being a mother who doesn't believe in birth control DOES qualify her from their POV, because she is a "believer".
we will make a fatal mistake if we dismiss her out of hand or make fun of her family. in my part of the country, there are thousands of people like Palin, and they were hesitating over whether or not to vote for McSame.   now they have a reason.
scary, i know, but it is the reality we have to deal with.

Brickner also described terrorist attacks on Israelis as God's "judgment of unbelief" of Jews who haven't embraced Christianity.

"Judgment is very real and we see it played out on the pages of the newspapers and on the television. It's very real. When [Brickner's son] was in Jerusalem, he was there to witness some of that judgment, some of that conflict, when a Palestinian from East Jerusalem took a bulldozer and went plowing through a score of cars, killing numbers of people. Judgment -- you can't miss it."

Palin was in church that day, Kroon said, though he cautioned against attributing Brickner's views to her.

I completely reject the idea that proselytizing among Jews is anything like the holocaust as long as coercive measures are not used. Proselytizing is not wrong for any faith. I read the wikipedia link and while I heard a lot about deceptive practices, the only things I saw were that Christ made Judaism obsolete--no more than any other religion relatively speaking and the Yiddish which I find odd but I guess I'd have to learn more about the practices.

Personally I think Christianity is the truest religion (that's why I call myself a Christian) but that other religions also are valid. Non coercive honest proselytizing/evangelizing of all peoples and faiths/non-faiths is appropriate. As they can do to Christians.

So I'm less offended by this than I guess most people here.

trying to tie Governor Palin to Pat Buchanan, etc. All were proven false by the end of the day; she supported Steve Forbes in that race, not Buchanan. How original....a congressman in Florida trying to raise the sceptre of anti-semitism is pretty despicable.

What is tricky about this website:
http://www.jewsforjesus.com/

What is wrong with Jews for Jesus? As an evangelical Democrat I have read much of their literature and talked to many members.
They impress me, there arguments are coherent and logical and show more respect for the Jewish roots of Christianity more than any other Christian group.

They don't "trick" anyone, they do pitch Christianity to a Jewish audience. Reminding folks that Jesus was a Rabbi, and that is Hebrew name is Yahew. They enable converted Jews to keep there Jewish traditions like the Passover and educate many non-Jewish Christians like myself.

If someone is involved in a group that really has hate speech that is one thing.
These guys are straight up and smart in my opinion
http://www.jewsforjesus.com/

I am unclear on whether people think this is a legitimate gotcha or whether this is simply payback for the attempts to smear Obama with guilt by association for the stuff Rev. Wright said.

I'm not particularly a fan of this approach, nor do I think it is necessary as most Jews will be disinclined to support Palin's brand of evangelical Christianity regardless.  It's not our bag.

Voters should feel confident in Sarah Palin support of Israel, Republican Jewish leaders and other GOP figures argued on Tuesday. Not because of the Alaska Governor's policy statements, a proclaimed understanding of the Middle East, or relationships with regional leaders. But because she keeps a small Israeli flag in the corner of her office window.

From: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/09/02 /gop-jews-defend-palin-she_n_123340.html

I remember as a kid in Hebrew school, they actually gave us "anti-cult" training, giving us warning signs for religious groups that specifically target Jews.  Jews for Jesus was right up there on that list.

Publicizing this in heavily Jewish areas could do wonderful things to rally people against Obama Palin.

They were even sued by Jackie Mason:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/con tent/article/2006/08/25/AR2006082500374. html

But they do give out Awesome Comic book pamphlets in the New York train stations.

I think she is toast, however, we have lowered the bar so damn low for her that tonight if she can piece together 5 sentences she will look like the next coming of John Kennedy.   I think it will help her for a week or so, but at sometime she has to take on reporters and that is when the real stuff will happen!  If they continue to hide her that is just about as bad as letting her screw up in front of reporters.

Right now we are getting all the news stories from the MSM, some probably very real, some probably almost very real.   But when she gets asks about some of these and stumbles and bumbles through the answers ... well then she becomes real toast.

The simple fact is that Palin was chosen to attempt to get the evangelicals moving.

Does anyone remember the poor woman down in florida, that had lost half her brain mass in coma and was permanently brain damaged?

The merciful family attempted to let her life simply end, and lo and behold there were people running a dog and pony show around her because of a hidden GOP memo that said " this is exactly the thing we need to get the evangelicals going".

Well. To my mind, Joseph Biden would be a capable president, and a fine ally of Israel if God forbid Obama gets the visit by the grim reaper.

However, if McCain's time is up, and palin is somehow tasked with helping Israel - good lord, what are we going to do? I would just say that the last thing Israel needs is her

Lieberman was all sanctimonious about McCain not caving to special interests. Yet, he had no problem taking the time so soon after the VP pick to escort Palin to meet with some AIPAC honchos. And they probably grilled her which led to their statement that they feel she wouldnt act against the interests of Israel.

SERIOUSLY???? SHE IS SO NERVOUS OR STRAPPED FOR TIME, WHO KNOWS, THAT SHE HAS REJECTED MEETING WITH EVEN HER BASE. YET AIPAC IS DEEMDED SO POWERFUL THAT IT MERITS A MEETING WITH HER SO EARLY IN SUCH A CRAMPED SCHEDULE??? AND THEY GIVE THE POTENTIAL VP THEIR SEAL OF APPROVAL? They should have no say in our process.

and this is one issue that the Obama campaign should raise over and over again.