McCain VP Thread

I just got back to the 'puter from Invesco, and won't bother summing that WOW experience up, you were 'there' and know what I mean.

Who is McCain's VP?  Teasers all day about an out-of-box pick like Lieberman, then Hutchinson, and then Meg Whitman. You have to say that the McCain spin around his VP pick has played the given landscape well.

But then, he winds up picking Pawlenty or Romney, so what exactly is gained?  Here's my view, if it's one of these two (first though, a longshot chance that its Portman or Thune, and even more minor than Pawlenty) and what it means.

Pawlenty is a legacy choice almost. ie, McCain choosing his successor in 2012 to run against a President Obama. He doesn't want to choose Romney, and then lose, to find himself having a Kerry-like experience (ala Edwards). If he chooses Pawlenty, I almost feel like he sees the writing on the wall. There is a small chance that it works (something around running against DC under the 'reform' mantle), but its outside the realm of the likely.

Romney is a sign that McCain wants to win. That pick excites the base of the GOP that works. Its who their activists, the ones that show up to shout, want. McCain has never gotten along with that part of the GOP, but Romney does. In some ways, the Romney pick for McCain is like the Clinton choice for Obama. The medicine to win that neither wanted to take. Obama has the luxury, given the generic D over R lead, of opting out and still being in postion to win. McCain probably does not, especially for going with just another traditional pick like Pawlenty instead.

I've thought Pawlenty all week, but Ambinder is reporting that Romney could be Dayton this morning. You will know in a few hours and talk about it here... I'll be sleeping in in Denver.

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158 Comments

Some think it could be Palin

because of a charter flight that went from Anchorage to Ohio.

But I think Palin would be an incredibly desperate and risky choice. She's current under investigation for an abuse of power scandal, and she has zero foreign policy or economic experience.

Palin vs. Biden in the debate? Give me a break.

The pick would make a big splash at first, but would not wear well.

by existenz 2008-08-29 01:14AM | 0 recs
Re: Some think it could be Palin

Ooops, I didn't see your post before I posted mine....

Biden would be hampered in the debate, 'cos he could not be seen being too tough with a woman candidate lest he look like a jerk...

The McCain camp is probably desperate after seeing what happened tonight.... the Palin possibility is preventing me from sleeping it scares me so much!

by LordMike 2008-08-29 01:37AM | 0 recs
Re: Some think it could be Palin

Agree.

Biden could only tear apart another man.

He'd look like a bully doing it to a woman.

by Bush Bites 2008-08-29 03:58AM | 0 recs
Re: Some think it could be Palin

Disagree... THis is politicis.    You play, you get bloody.   A corrupt Governor plays well into the change meme... if he wants to bring out someone embroiled in scandal, all the better... lets start bringing up Keating too.  

by yitbos96bb 2008-08-29 04:25AM | 0 recs
Think back

Rick Lazio went after Hillary in their debate - he got good reviews, at first, but it quickly became clear that voters, particularly women, didn't care for that approach AT ALL.  Lazio's numbers tanked and Hillary went on to win comfortably.  It's something to think about.  

I'd also estimate that the chance that Biden would say something unfortunate while debating a woman are no worse than 50/50.  

by Mose 2008-08-29 05:43AM | 0 recs
Re: Think back

Nobody cared for that approach.  He looked like a punk.

It's not as if Biden hasn't debated women before - he ran against Hillary Clinton.  He raked her over the coals on her awkward answer to the NY driver's license issue.  And no one batted an eye.

by MeganLocke 2008-08-29 06:28AM | 0 recs
Re: Some think it could be Palin

Maybe a good defense to an accusation that he is being tough with her is that to treat her differently than he would treat a male opponent would be an insult to her intellegence and abilities.

Sen. Biden could say that she is asking the American people to entrust her with an office that is one heartbeat away from the Presidency, where her fortitude would be tested by the likes of Ahmadinejad, Putin, Bin Laden, Hamas, etc, so she'd damn well better be tough enough to take a few jabs in a debate.

Okay, I am sure there is a far more diplomatic way to say that, but you know what I mean.

by Liberal Monk 2008-08-29 04:25AM | 0 recs
Re: Some think it could be Palin

Bush ripped apart Ferraro in 1984.  This is 24 years later and I believe Americans have matured where we expect a lot more of our woman candidates.  

The fact that Hillary could stand up with the boys has raised the bar for all woman candidates.  If she can not stand up to Biden (as Hillary did) she is not qualified to be VP

by gavoter 2008-08-29 05:58AM | 0 recs
Re: Some think it could be Palin

Palin would be a bold, bold move. Risky with potentially major upside. Looks like McCain has been spooked enough by the DNCC to feel that he has to throw the ball downfield. Game on.

by blueflorida 2008-08-29 03:30AM | 0 recs
I see little upside

Given McCain's age and health history, and the fact that he is staking so much on saying Obama is not ready to lead, is it a great idea for him to pick someone who couldn't even get through one term as governor without abusing the power of her office?

I don't think she would help McCain much with the gender gap either.

He is desperate if she really is the pick.

by desmoinesdem 2008-08-29 04:34AM | 0 recs
Re: Some think it could be Palin

Agreed, bold and very smart of McCain.

The power of the Palin vote can be found in Wikipedia:

On April 18, 2008, Palin gave birth to her second son, Trig Paxson Van Palin, who has Down syndrome.[12] She returned to the office three days after giving birth.[13] Palin refused to let the results of prenatal genetic testing change her decision to have the baby. "I'm looking at him right now, and I see perfection," Palin said. "Yeah, he has an extra chromosome. I keep thinking, in our world, what is normal and what is perfect?"[13]

Her oldest son is now serving in Iraq.

Anyone who thinks this is not a powerful counterpick to Biden is smoking and inhaling.

by oliver777 2008-08-29 05:16AM | 0 recs
Re: Some think it could be Palin

On the one hand, it worries me.  On the other hand, there's this:

How does that not become an instant running joke?

by Ponderous 2008-08-29 05:37AM | 0 recs
Re: Some think it could be Palin

It seems like there is a reason that it might not be such a great idea for Obama's team to ridicule and denigrate a woman running for vice-president.  I can't think of it right now . . . something about pantsuits and 18 million votes . . . I'm sure it will come to me . . .

by Mose 2008-08-29 05:46AM | 0 recs
Re: Some think it could be Palin

When you're main argument against your opponent is that he's a celebrity, you pretty much relinquish all rights to ever using that again when your VP has posed for a fashion magazine.

Don't you agree?

by MeganLocke 2008-08-29 06:30AM | 0 recs
Re: Some think it could be Palin
Well, I made my first post in response to the approach suggested above, which was to ridicule Palin physically.  The picture posted above is a photo-shop.  The actual pictures in Vogue show Palin wearing jeans and a hooded parka, leaning up against a small plane.  Racy it's not.  There are plenty of ways to attack Palin - her short time in office first and foremost.  I just think that the ridicule and photo-shop approach seemed to be directed at Palin as a woman, rather than as a Republican, and I don't think that is the way to go.
   
by Mose 2008-08-29 09:17AM | 0 recs
Re: Some think it could be Palin

Oh, get serious.  That's Dukakis in the tank.  That's Kerry on the windboard.

Although you're correctly anticipating the mock outrage that the McCain camp would use.  But I think the point is that you can't run attack ads against your opponent for being a celebrity when your VP candidate has been on the cover of Vogue.

by Jess81 2008-08-29 06:40AM | 0 recs
Re: Some think it could be Palin

Now there's additional "confirmation":

DAYTON, Ohio, Aug. 29 Christian Newswire -- President of the conservative and pro-life National Clergy Council, Rev. Rob Schenck (pronounced SHANK), will be a VIP guest at John McCain's campaign announcement today in Dayton Ohio when he will name his Vice Presidential running mate. Mr. Schenck, who just returned from the Democratic National Convention, was told this morning by confidential sources that Senator McCain has selected Alaska Governor Sarah Palin, a pro-life Catholic.

Take anonymous sources with large grains of salt

by TCQuad 2008-08-29 05:58AM | 0 recs
Re: McCain VP Thread

Everyone seems pretty sure that it's Pawlenty.  Don't expect that Minnesota will become that competitive though, the guy only won re-election by a single percent in 2006, and Obama has enough of a base in MN that he can afford to lose a few points and still win it.

That said, if McCain picks Pawlenty it's cause he feels he needs someone young and outside of Washington to balance the ticket.

Romney?  Not happening, though it would be hilarious to watch.  Putting a billionaire on the ticket would do wonders for Democratic attack ads after his houses fiasco.

by Skaje 2008-08-29 01:17AM | 0 recs
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McCain can't really pick Romney after the crap he spewed about what Biden had said about Obama in the primaries.

by JENKINS 2008-08-29 01:18AM | 0 recs
Disagree

You think lack of consistency would stop McCain?

by Bush Bites 2008-08-29 03:56AM | 0 recs
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'President Obama?'  Nice to have you aboard.

by Shaun Appleby 2008-08-29 01:21AM | 0 recs
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Please, please, PLEASE be Pawlenty.  Romney would be amazing too (well, for us), but I just don't see it happening.  All of the buzz on Republican blogs seems to point to Timmy.

by thatpurplestuff 2008-08-29 01:23AM | 0 recs
Re: McCain VP Thread

Romney doesn't sit well with fundamentalist Christian voters, who view Mormonism with more disdain than any other religion (misappropriating Jesus being worse than ignoring Jesus). And they don't trust McCain already.

The problem is that the GOP needs the religious right, the corporate/economic bloc, and a fair number of independents to win 50%. Huckabee, Romney, and McCain each appeal to only one set of voters, leaving at least one set unmotivated. Unless he announces expanding the office to two vice presidents, he has no perfect pick.

by indythink 2008-08-29 01:25AM | 0 recs
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Palin... she pleases all three...

by LordMike 2008-08-29 01:38AM | 0 recs
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Isn't Palin involved in a scandal in Alaska? She's unknown nationally and the Democrats will be able to paint her as someone who uses her political power for personal gain.

by C S Strowbridge 2008-08-29 01:51AM | 0 recs
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She IS cute though in a librarian sort of way.  

by yitbos96bb 2008-08-29 04:27AM | 0 recs
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She's a former beauty queen and I think she was on the cover of "Vogue."  (If I were feeling petty, I'd insert a snarky comment about the difficulty of winning a beauty contest in Wasilla, Alaska, but I'm not up for that this early).

But to be honest, I think the base's reaction to McCain picking Palin would be like if McCain picked this Republican.

by Jay R 2008-08-29 04:35AM | 0 recs
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"Romney doesn't sit well with fundamentalist Christian voters..."

This is what I was thinking. Romney puts a lot of EC votes in play, especially in the south.

by C S Strowbridge 2008-08-29 01:45AM | 0 recs
Re: McCain VP Thread

He'd probably try two veeps if it wasn't unconstitutional.

Can't trust those Panamanian Gigolos.

by Bush Bites 2008-08-29 03:54AM | 0 recs
Re: McCain VP Thread

Exactly.

Though, as someone pointed out yesterday, he obviously would help in states with large Mormon populations... no, we're not going to contest Utah, but Nevada?

Of course, then McCain exposes his flank in the south and mid-Atlantic.

I'll be happy with either Dan Quayle minus the charisma (Pawlenty) or the guy who shipped your job to India (Mittens).

The darkhorse rumor this morning is Palin (apparently, a private plane left AK for OH early this morning)... that would worry me.

by zonk 2008-08-29 04:15AM | 0 recs
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You are worrying over nothing.  She has a thin resume and will be torn apart by Biden.  

by yitbos96bb 2008-08-29 04:29AM | 0 recs
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Just because she lacks a penis doesn't mean women will vote for McCain... if this was the case, we would have had 8 years of President Mondale.

by yitbos96bb 2008-08-29 04:29AM | 0 recs
Re: McCain VP Thread

There are two private flights from Anchorage to Dayton, yesterday.... one of them stopping in Arizona for awhile...

The freepers think it's Sarah Palin... God, I hope they are wrong!  I can't sleep thinking about it...  That certainly would be a gamechanger for him... and seeing McCain's obsessions over PUMAs and Obama's performance tonight... they need to reach a bit...

Now, the question is, how will women voters respond to this gimmick, especially our disaffected Hillary voters?

BTW, Palin's intrade numbers are soaring now...

by LordMike 2008-08-29 01:36AM | 0 recs
Re: McCain VP Thread

Why so scared of Palin?

Also, she has a 5 month (I think) old child with Down Syndrome.  And 4 other children.  Speaking from my perspective as a mother, I simply cannot believe that she would jump into a presidential race with a 5 month old child to take care of, especially one who is disabled.

by evap 2008-08-29 02:31AM | 0 recs
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I'm scared of Palin.  She will be hugely popular among the right-wing evangelist base, and her gender, life-style, and anti-corruption stands will appeal to a lot of moderates as well.  I've never heard her speak but she's definitely telegenic.  Her personal background will give her a populist edge.  And the fact that she has a child with Down syndrome will make her appealing to families with children with special needs (in addition to the pro-life community).

Yes, she doesn't have 1/100 the national experience of Biden and she is not prepared to step in and be president like he is.  She has been involved in a minor scandal, but it's not one that I think will resonate with the voting public.

Prior to the "how many houses" uproar, it looked like Romney would have been a good choice.  And prior to the appointment of Biden, it looked like Pawlenty would have been good.  But with Pawlenty outclassed in national experience by Biden anyway, I wouldn't be surprised if McCain decided to go for broke with Palin.  She's even more outclassed in experience, but (in McCain's eyes) will compensate for other reasons.

by markjay 2008-08-29 04:07AM | 0 recs
how can he argue Obama is not ready to lead

and then choose a first-term governor who has already abused the power of her office?

Palin would not help him much.

by desmoinesdem 2008-08-29 04:36AM | 0 recs
What?

Where do you get this "abused the power of her office" stuff.

It seems she's used her office to go after corrupt fellow Rethuglicans?

by wasanyonehurt 2008-08-29 04:55AM | 0 recs
Re: What?

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/washingt on/2008/08/palin-mccain-vp.html

Basically an independant council is investigating whether or not she used her office to fire personal enemies.

by Ponderous 2008-08-29 05:45AM | 0 recs
Re: What?

She fired the fellow Rethuglican for deriliction of duty and for the fact that said Rethuglican did not fire a state trooper to threatened to kill her father, tasered her nephew and violated state gaming laws.

by wasanyonehurt 2008-08-29 05:55AM | 0 recs
Re: What?

Then why is she under investigation?  You sound like you know what happened.

by MeganLocke 2008-08-29 06:32AM | 0 recs
Re: What?

So you believe an independent council investigation in crimson red Alaska is truly independent?  Rethugs don't take kindly to other rethugs attacking their own (makes them think she's a dem in sheep's clothing).

by wasanyonehurt 2008-08-29 06:38AM | 0 recs
Re: McCain VP Thread

but (in McCain's eyes) will compensate for other reasons.
Ovaries?  Doe-eyes?  The wretched stench of youth?  Good moose-burger recipes?

She's like a less experienced, slightly hotter version of Katherine Harris.

by Jay R 2008-08-29 04:40AM | 0 recs
Palin strikes me more as a pander

than Hutchinson.  KBH has over a decade in the Senate while Palin has less experience than Obama.  She is analogous to Biden in the sense that he purportedly stepped Obama's message of change given his thirty-six years in the Senate in the same way she would step on McCain's message of tested experience given that she has just as much as Tim Kaine, a ticket that the pubs were ready to shred as the most inexperienced ticket in history.  

KBH takes care of the experience issue and McCain would still have be playing for history.  I'm just glad she apparently won't be the pick.  I don't fear Palin as much, though she could very well be a hit.  Palin would be my #2 choice, behind KBH and ahead of anyone with testicles, if I were McCain.

by Blazers Edge 2008-08-29 03:08AM | 0 recs
I agree with you

but apparently Hutchison has said Roe v Wade should not be overturned. She got a 7 percent rating from Planned Parenthood action and a 0 rating from NARAL, but Bleeding Heartland commenters say she still isn't considered pro-life enough for the GOP base.

I can't see how McCain can be helped much by picking someone as inexperienced as Palin.

by desmoinesdem 2008-08-29 04:37AM | 0 recs
Re: I agree with you

It's Pappy gettin' him some of that "ree-form."

by Jay R 2008-08-29 04:40AM | 0 recs
by Bush Bites 2008-08-29 03:50AM | 0 recs
Re: McCain VP Thread

Still hoping he picks Pawlenty.

That guy has "Dan Quayle" written all over him.

by Bush Bites 2008-08-29 03:51AM | 0 recs
Not Pawlenty

Unless this a head-fake:

"Gov. Pawlenty tells Minneapolis radio he will not be traveling to Dayton Friday. Says it's 'a fair assumption' he will not be McCain's running mate."

www.thepage.com

by Blazers Edge 2008-08-29 03:55AM | 0 recs
Re: McCain VP Thread

KBH worries me most. In fact she's the only serious contender that worries me.

Pawlenty, Romney and Lieberman all have their own bonuses for us.

Pawlenty is an unknown with very limited foreign policy experience which undercuts McCain attacks on Obama. Barely won his last election.

Romney adds to the plutocrat image, flip flops and clips of him attacking McCain.

Lieberman infuriates the base, he's a poor speaker, won't swing connecticut.

by liberalj 2008-08-29 03:56AM | 0 recs
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Breaking its NOT Pawlenty.

by nzubechukwu 2008-08-29 03:58AM | 0 recs
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Ah shit.

Is that confirmed?

by Bush Bites 2008-08-29 03:59AM | 0 recs
Re: McCain VP Thread

MSNBC just confirmed it.

by nzubechukwu 2008-08-29 04:01AM | 0 recs
Re: McCain VP Thread

MITTENS IS NOT THE PICK.  FUCK

by nzubechukwu 2008-08-29 04:18AM | 0 recs
The problem with Palin...

...is that McCain's entire theme for the convention is, "Obama isn't ready yet."  You can't build on that theme and have Palin as your VP pick.  It destroys your entire argument.

by thezzyzx 2008-08-29 04:19AM | 0 recs
My opinion

Is that voters don't usually vote based on the VP at all.  However, a few women may vote for the VP if it is a women.   But I think even that would be very marginal.   Like Bush's seem to forget that we went to the Moon and thinks we need to go again, McCain may have forgotten that a women has filled the VP slot before on a major ticket.

by RichardFlatts 2008-08-29 04:23AM | 0 recs
Re: My opinion

Yes but he gave Obama the answer.  Every time anyone asks, "How is Obama ready?" he has an easy response.  And since people like Obama, taking away that argument means that McCain has to find a new approach.

It's a dual error.  First, McCain's need to win the news cycle every day meant that he made a choice mainly to get some short term interest.  Secondly, his lack of understanding of the Internet means that he believed in his own attempts to troll our groups.  He thinks that there's 18,000,000 voters who just need any woman at all on the ticket and they're his.  Those silly women won't even notice that she's pro-life.

by thezzyzx 2008-08-29 04:34AM | 0 recs
Re: My opinion
Give me a break.  The PUMAs went berzerk over the thought of Obama giving the nod to either Napolitano or Sebelius, both women with much fuller CVs than Palin.    
Are they really now going to vote for a woman with one of the thinnest resumes ever just because she has a uterus?
by gavoter 2008-08-29 06:02AM | 0 recs
Re: My opinion

We're agreeing.  I was being sarcastic.

by thezzyzx 2008-08-29 07:38PM | 0 recs
Re: My opinion

You are correct about voters not voting by VP, but in this case when you are trying to elect a 72 year old man to the job, you had better look at who is a heartbeat away.   In this case a woman, with only 1 1/2 years as governor makes Obama look like an ancient mariner in political experience.   If it is Palin, we pick up even more points.  In fact I don't see anyone, except Kay Bailey or Tom Ridge whom would be a problem for us and an Add On in value for the GOP

by Monkei 2008-08-29 05:48AM | 0 recs
Re: The problem with Palin...

That's a very good point.

Especially when the top of the ticket is 72 and as he likes to remind us whenever he gets a tough question, a 72 y.o. who went through 5 years of physical hell few of us can imagine.

It means it'll be a change in GOP attacks.

by zonk 2008-08-29 05:15AM | 0 recs
Re: McCain VP Thread

It's sounding like a coin toss between Palin and Romney at this point...

by zonk 2008-08-29 04:21AM | 0 recs
Looks like Palin
After the strong Obama performance and unexpectedly strong endorsement by Clintons; McCain needs a ``game-changer.'' That is his only
chance, but after yesterday night I think that his chances are zero no matter who he chooses.
by ann0nymous 2008-08-29 04:22AM | 0 recs
Re: McCain VP Thread

Pawlenty is a legacy choice almost. ie, McCain choosing his successor in 2012 to run against a President Obama.

Is being the running mate on a losing ticket really a springboard to the Presidency?

As far as I can see, the only non-Vice President to occupy the #2 slot on a losing ticket, who then later on gains the Presidency himself, was FDR.  But in FDR's case I think it's clear that being Governor of New York from 1929 to 1932 was the springboard, not his presence on the failed 1920 Democratic ticket.

by Collideascope 2008-08-29 04:28AM | 0 recs
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Yeah, it puts them in the front tier of primary candidates but that's about it.

by Bush Bites 2008-08-29 04:32AM | 0 recs
Re: McCain VP Thread

Both MSNBC and Fox are reporting that it's not Romney.

by markjay 2008-08-29 04:33AM | 0 recs
Re: McCain VP Thread

I said yesterday I thought he would pick a woman, so if it's not KBH, then I think he will probably pick Palin. McCain campaign has been about trying to grab the daily headlines. Do whatever possible to win that days news coverage. We've seen it this past week.
The only drawback would be the question, if you think Obama doesn't have the experience, then why pick someone with less experience. However, he would get great press and take Obama off the headlines. And despite her hard core, right wing, conserative views, she will appeal to many women upset about Hillary and the media. So, the media will probably lay off being too critical of her.
Romney would be the safe choice and help in Michigan and out West. And he would help McCain with his economic weakness. Though he comes off as a phony, at least to me. And there is a number of ways Democrats can hit back with a Romney choice.

by oden 2008-08-29 04:45AM | 0 recs
Forgive me if these are ignorant questions...

But what ever happened to Christine Todd Whitman? Did she do something terrible that's caused her to drop off the radar of Republican politics?

I've always thought she was a good egg...

by Liberal Monk 2008-08-29 04:47AM | 0 recs
Re: Forgive me if these are ignorant questions...

That was her problem... she is a pretty good egg...  She couldn't tolerate the BS in the white house and she left... I think she wrote a book about how moderates like her were being driven out of the party...

by LordMike 2008-08-29 04:55AM | 0 recs
Re: Forgive me if these are ignorant questions...

Yep.  "It's My Party, Too."

I bought it.  It was fairly enjoyable, but somewhat lightweight.  She was very clearly raised as a Northeast / Rockefeller Republican.  Just one more victim of the Goldwater / Religious Right purges.

by Dreorg 2008-08-29 05:24AM | 0 recs
Oops! I didn't see your post...

You were way ahead of me!

I never read her book, but I do recall her making the talk show circuit to promote it. She really impressed me. I remember thinking that I wish more Republicans were like her. Even though there would still be philosophical differences between the parties, at least intelligent dialogue would be possible.

by Liberal Monk 2008-08-29 05:40AM | 0 recs
Re: Forgive me if these are ignorant questions...

That's right! Thanks for reminding me about the book. It was named, "It's My Party, Too." I just found it at Amazon, and there's a line in their review that says: "While hardly high praise for George W. Bush from a former member of his Cabinet (she served as director of the Environmental Protection Agency from January 2001 to May 2003), the real targets of her ire are some of her fellow Republicans who have forced the GOP to make a hard-right turn in recent years."

That tells me something about Sen. McCain. If he really were a maverick, she'd be on his short list. As it stands, I guess the right-wing owns his used-to-be-a-maverick ass.

by Liberal Monk 2008-08-29 05:32AM | 0 recs
Re: McCain VP Thread

So, Hilary supporters?  What say you?  How does McCain's Palin choice affect your thinking or the thinking of other democratic women?

by LordMike 2008-08-29 04:54AM | 0 recs
I was one of her dude supporters

but the Palin pick doesn't worry me too much right now; I'd have to see the direction that McCain is going to take with her as to what narrative he's trying to create.  She comes off as such a pander but pandering works from time to time.  McCain seems desperate but it's possible for people to make the best decisions in times of desperation.  I see this pick as McCain picking J.C. Watts if HRC had won and not chosen Obama as veep.

The Annie Oakley comment that Obama made will be distorted in my opinion; expect to hear about it today if Palin is actually the pick.  Over/under on the number of HRC and "keep going" references in Palin's speech?

by Blazers Edge 2008-08-29 05:00AM | 0 recs
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Its going to be Palin. Hail Mary's hardly ever work....

by helo 2008-08-29 05:01AM | 0 recs
Re: McCain VP Thread

and I mean the "pass" not the prayer...

by helo 2008-08-29 05:04AM | 0 recs
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Palin is in Alaska!!  ABC Is confirming it.

by nzubechukwu 2008-08-29 05:02AM | 0 recs
Good news

so who now?  KBH, Whitman, Ridge, Lieberman, Portman, or Thune?

by Blazers Edge 2008-08-29 05:05AM | 0 recs
Re: Good news

Politico claims that KBH was never vetted...

by LordMike 2008-08-29 05:08AM | 0 recs
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She is?  Thank God!!!  Oh, thank God!  I can get some sleep now!

by LordMike 2008-08-29 05:07AM | 0 recs
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Hmmm... the ABC News "confirmation" isn't much of one...  could certainly be a head fake on Palin's part...

by LordMike 2008-08-29 05:11AM | 0 recs
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Sorry to disturb your sleep but if ABC is correct it still doesn't explain why her family is in Dayton today.  There could be another chartered plane with her name on it.

I agree with you she would be a conspicuously bold pick.

by wasanyonehurt 2008-08-29 05:15AM | 0 recs
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There is nothing confirming that they or anyone else, for that matter, were on that plane.  It could be some big donors from Alaska for all we know...

by LordMike 2008-08-29 05:22AM | 0 recs
Re: McCain VP Thread

She is supposed to be at the State Fair doing the quarter unveiling.  That is what ABC confirmed.

by yitbos96bb 2008-08-29 05:39AM | 0 recs
Re: McCain VP Thread

Maria Bartiromo of CNBC asked Palin whether McCain asked her to be VP and she replied (paraphrasing Bartiromo), with a shy smile she said she talks frequently with McCain and would not like to comment.

She is probably the pick.

by wasanyonehurt 2008-08-29 05:44AM | 0 recs
Re: McCain VP Thread

We will see.   VP Kaine.. I mean Bayh... I mean Biden all gave coy answers as well.

If she is still in AK she isn't the pick.  And no one has proved it was her or her family on the planes.  It could be, but its not like all signs are pointing to her as they were with Biden.

by yitbos96bb 2008-08-29 05:50AM | 0 recs
Re: McCain VP Thread

Looks like you are right... Not as good as Lieberman, Pawlenty and Romney but the Female Dan Quayle takes experience off the ticket...   and I doubt that Hillary's strong advocacy will be trumped by Palin.    

by yitbos96bb 2008-08-29 06:41AM | 0 recs
Re: McCain VP Thread

Joementum... Joementum....Joementum....Joementum

The condi rumors are still there and wow what a gift wrapped way to tie in the 3rd bush term.

by yitbos96bb 2008-08-29 05:08AM | 0 recs
Re: McCain VP Thread

Let's hope. I have visions of McCain and Lieberman re-enacting a real life version of Butch and Sundance being surrounded by the Bolivian Army.

by blueflorida 2008-08-29 05:46AM | 0 recs
Re: McCain VP Thread

Ridge or Joementum

by yitbos96bb 2008-08-29 05:08AM | 0 recs
Re: McCain VP Thread

hearing tidbits from CNN that its could still be Palin...

by helo 2008-08-29 05:11AM | 0 recs
Re: McCain VP Thread

If it's Palin, they choose because Obama
hit it out of the park last night and they think their only shoot is Clinton supporters...

I think more likely Ridge, but Palin is my number two suggestion, you can already see the Clinton sockpuppets selling it here...

NoQuarter will love the Sarah Palin pick.....

by WashStateBlue 2008-08-29 05:15AM | 0 recs
Re: McCain VP Thread

Palin's in Alaska apparently. Pawlenty is out too apparently.

I think its going to be Ridge at this moment.

by liberalj 2008-08-29 05:17AM | 0 recs
Re: McCain VP Thread

I've given up on all 72 NQ posters...

by zonk 2008-08-29 05:17AM | 0 recs
Re: McCain VP Thread

well, actually, there are only 74 NQ posters.  See, we continue to underestimate their power.  When will we learn?

by Fluffy Puff Marshmallow 2008-08-29 05:57AM | 0 recs
Re: McCain VP Thread

Lets just remind ourselves children:
Here is one ,but you may  take your pick from the many on offer.
Share them with your friends AND they make great ads  for the Obama campaign to roll out..you know ..for those evenings when there isn't anything really good on TV. They kind of speak for themselves. Enjoy the whole collection!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=on50uby6Z Pw&NR=1

by Lodgemannered 2008-08-29 05:19AM | 0 recs
Re: McCain VP Thread

MSNBC says Lieberman in town... Restate.com take a collective dump in their pants...

by LordMike 2008-08-29 05:21AM | 0 recs
Re: McCain VP Thread

Couple things:

I just caught Morning Joe, where they said that it wasn't Pawlenty or Romney

I sucked it up and went to Drudge, who links to an ABC article that says that Palin is in Alaska today.

http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalradar/ 2008/08/mccain-vp-conte.html

by rfahey22 2008-08-29 05:34AM | 0 recs
Re: McCain VP Thread

CNN is reporting that a plane just arrived in Dayton from Alaska.

by mjc888 2008-08-29 05:39AM | 0 recs
Re: McCain VP Thread

I know about the plane, which Marc Ambinder claims belongs to a large McCain donor.  But, if ABC is correct, Palin will be attending the Alaska state fair.

by rfahey22 2008-08-29 05:44AM | 0 recs
Re: McCain VP Thread

CNN is focused solely on Palin.

This could be a brilliant move for McCain....history would be made with either ticket.

by mjc888 2008-08-29 05:47AM | 0 recs
Re: McCain VP Thread

CNN also reported that the AK governor's office reports Palin is still in AK.

Now... that's the office saying that.

Jeebus... Is it really Joe?  Is it really JOE?!?!

Wow... I hope the Lamont folks didn't destroy all their "kiss" floats, buttons, posters and such!

by zonk 2008-08-29 05:48AM | 0 recs
Drill, Drill, Drill, and Sarah Palin

If indeed the choice is Sarah Palin, then the dream of drill/drill/drill will be realized this year. She is a hunter, likes moose burgers, her husband is an Eskimo, and right now, I can hardly contain my excitement.

by BJJ Fighter 2008-08-29 05:40AM | 0 recs
Re: Drill, Drill, Drill, and Sarah Palin

If its Palin, McCain loses by at least 5%.

by yitbos96bb 2008-08-29 06:00AM | 0 recs
ESKIMO - way to go.

Maybe you could elaborate on what you mean about her husband being an Eskimo ( which is a derogatory term akin to the n-word for the Inuit).  As a Latino-American with an African-American presidential nominee I'm looking forward to your answer.

by wasanyonehurt 2008-08-29 06:09AM | 0 recs
Not dissimilar to the homophobic remarks

put up regularly by zealots on this site; although my use of a derogatory term was done out of ignorance rather than malice. Check out comments yesterday which described Charlie Crist and Lindsay Graham as "light in the loafers". When I challenged the author, they essentially replied that it was OK to use homophobic remarks against closeted GOP members. Not sure I understand that logic, but the remarks speak for themselves.

I wasn't aware of the negative connotations of "Eskimo", as I still see that brand of ice cream bars at the grocery store. But I appreciate your educating me, and will refrain from using the term in the future.

In any event, I think the take-away here is that political correctness tends to be very selective on MyDD. There is a large segment who believes that if someone's politics don't fit your own, it's OK to hurl bigoted remarks their way. Perhaps the worst was when a writer told me that they would address me as "BJ".....when obviously BJJ-Fighter refers to my avocation and hobby in mixed martial arts.

by BJJ Fighter 2008-08-29 06:36AM | 0 recs
Re: Not dissimilar to the homophobic remarks

I'm sorry but how does BJJ Fighter tell anyone who is NOT into MMA    that you are into it?  

by yitbos96bb 2008-08-29 06:40AM | 0 recs
Re: ESKIMO - way to go.

http://www.uaf.edu/anlc/inuitoreskimo.ht ml

Here's an interesting thing on it.  Its still widely used, but it does offend the Inuit (although I'm not sure about the Yupik) although it seems one of the reasons it offends is a misconception on the meaning as shown in the article.  

Interesting stuff.  I Learned something new today.

by yitbos96bb 2008-08-29 06:36AM | 0 recs
McCain: Please Pick Jeb Bush

That would knock the socks off of the media. The surprising speech would be so surprising and make us forget about the Democratic National Convention. Please pick Jeb Bush for VP.

by Zzyzzy 2008-08-29 05:41AM | 0 recs
Re: McCain VP Thread

Romney is out, according to CNN.

by mjc888 2008-08-29 05:42AM | 0 recs
Re: McCain VP Thread

I've thought (pessimistically) Palin, for a while.  She is a pretty compelling candidate and is really the only one who can knock Obama out of the news for a few days now, just when we would hope for some extended play from the convention.  I wonder, if it is her, if McCain reassessed his choice as he watched the DNC in horror.

by mady 2008-08-29 05:50AM | 0 recs
Re: McCain VP Thread

If its Palin, Obama wins by 5%.  Bring that lightweight on.

by yitbos96bb 2008-08-29 06:02AM | 0 recs
Re: McCain VP Thread

...but she's a woman.  The masses don't vote like the bloggers here think.

by mjc888 2008-08-29 06:05AM | 0 recs
Re: McCain VP Thread

So?  Who cares?  She's Dan Quayle with breasts.

by yitbos96bb 2008-08-29 06:06AM | 0 recs
yeah...and she's so lacking in experience!

by BJJ Fighter 2008-08-29 06:38AM | 0 recs
Re: McCain VP Thread

No, she is on the wrong side politically but I wish she was on ours.  She is smart, charming, attractive, persuasive, etc. etc.  Her views are horrible but since when has that won or lost an election?

by mady 2008-08-29 07:03AM | 0 recs
Re: McCain VP Thread

Ridge and Lieberman actually scare me: Ridge because he's not pro-life, and Lieberman because it's harder to make the case that this is George Bush's third term when there's a nominal Democrat on the ticket.

Palin doesn't worry me at all: she's under investigation and there's that ridiculous vogue cover.  These things matter.  I think choosing someone who posed for a vanity shot removes McCain's only successful line of attack.

by Ponderous 2008-08-29 05:52AM | 0 recs
Re: McCain VP Thread

Romney is on an airplane. However, they say that he's going to Boston.

But could this be a lie?

by Zzyzzy 2008-08-29 05:54AM | 0 recs
Re: McCain VP Thread

Looks like Palin is the pick. At least from two sources.

http://www.swamppolitics.com/news/politi cs/blog/

And from John Harwood

http://www.cnbc.com/id/26454655

by oden 2008-08-29 05:54AM | 0 recs
Re: McCain VP Thread

I hate to hijack this thread.
But I'm a newbie on mydd, and a newbie to blogging in general.
I want to post my first diary, like ever...
will someone please help me... Where is that button and or link that says "POST A NEW DIARY"????

and to stay on topic, as a former-Republican, now indy and media-famed Obamacan, the only pick McCain can make to help the cause for conservatives is Mitt Romney. Lacking that pick, and if he really does go for Pailin, with the exception of the PUMA's jumping to her side, expect a backlash with all her problems in Alaska...

by Dickie Simpkins 2008-08-29 06:02AM | 0 recs
Re: McCain VP Thread

HEY MCFLY, YOU BOJO... THOSE BOARDS DON'T WORK ON WATER... YOU'VE GOT TO HAVE POWER!

Seriously, you have to be on the site for I think a week before you can post a diary.

by yitbos96bb 2008-08-29 06:05AM | 0 recs
Re: McCain VP Thread

Looks like the countdown will have to begin....

6 more days to go I suppose.

Pity, I'm just so excited by Obama, I felt like laying out my own personal Conservative case for Obama including themes like fiscal responsibility, war, health care, education, and religion... I'm 38 and I can't remember ever being this excited for any Presidential candidate.

just got to wait now.

And thank you for replying

by Dickie Simpkins 2008-08-29 06:14AM | 0 recs
ABC NEWS REPORTS

Governor Sarah Palin is John McCain's VP pick.

Will McCain will win much of the Hillary Clinton vote?

by Zzyzzy 2008-08-29 06:07AM | 0 recs
Sorry about my typos

I just got up and I'm still not that conscious.

by Zzyzzy 2008-08-29 06:08AM | 0 recs
Re: ABC NEWS REPORTS

I think it is quite possible that Palin could LOSE him even MORE votes.   All along I thought McCain's biggest plus was his experience over Obama.   When you pick someone who has about 18 months experience as a Governor, and a city mayor of about 10,000 people, and your Presidentual candidate is 72 years old, it is a disaster waiting to happen.

Can you imagine this woman being President?

by Monkei 2008-08-29 06:15AM | 0 recs
Re: ABC NEWS REPORTS

Dan Quayle with Breasts.   And Bush41 was a lot healthier and was younger  than McCain.

by yitbos96bb 2008-08-29 06:16AM | 0 recs
You don't want to bring up experience......

by BJJ Fighter 2008-08-29 06:39AM | 0 recs
Re: ABC NEWS REPORTS

Nope.   Won't affect much at all.

by yitbos96bb 2008-08-29 06:15AM | 0 recs
Re: ABC NEWS REPORTS

I disagree, Obama-Biden can simply push the thought down America's throat about this women being President, god forbid.   The election just got easier for Obama.

However, I am not buying it, I think the GOP is playing the media just to get people talking about this, like we are, instead of the Obama speech, and it's working.   I still think it will end up being one of the three original or maybe Tom Ridge.

by Monkei 2008-08-29 06:20AM | 0 recs
Re: ABC NEWS REPORTS

Oh listening to CNN, the GOP pushers are saying she eats Mooseburgers, can drive a snowmobile, hunts ... pushing her executive experience (18 months).   Can they make it any easier?

by Monkei 2008-08-29 06:22AM | 0 recs
Picking Palin

I think shows just how badly the internal numbers were for the McCain handlers.   The daily GOP tracking poll might be close, but evidently the need to really shake things up had to happen.   This is now equal to the 1984 campaign when Mondale picked up Ferraro ... and Ferraro had a lot more experience than Palin ...

by Monkei 2008-08-29 06:25AM | 0 recs
Re: McCain VP Thread

Palin says McCain thinks he's going to lose.

It feels like cheating to me. The Democrats go out, organize, fight for women's rights, nominate the first female VP candidate, 18m vote for a woman for President then McCain does this.

This pick worries me a little. Will this attract Hillary supporters?

One good thing is that McCain's 'not ready to lead' attack is now totally undermined.

by liberalj 2008-08-29 06:26AM | 0 recs
Re: McCain VP Thread

....and the Biden pick indicated that Obama's internals were also close.  Otherwise he would have picked Kaine, etc.

by mjc888 2008-08-29 06:29AM | 0 recs
Re: McCain VP Thread

I disagree.  Biden is sort of the vanilla choice.

If his internals were close he'd have picked Clinton.

by MeganLocke 2008-08-29 06:35AM | 0 recs
Re: McCain VP Thread

In other words, no one actually knows which way the wind will blow in November and they're getting ready to fight like rabid dogs. Which will be interesting, so I'm all for it.

The one good thing I can think of about a Palin pick is that, on top of Hillary's performance, it will definitely bring women's issues to the forefront. It would be nice to see sexism regarded as an issue to equal racism for once.  I hope the media treats her the way they treated Hillary -- it might get some of the worst of them fired.

(I'm not saying Palin will help McCain win -- I doubt she will and I certainly don't want her to. But I'd be glad to see women's issues stay in the spotlight.)

by SuGeAtARC 2008-08-29 06:35AM | 0 recs
Palin

Marc just posted the capsule file:

44 years old. .... Five children. .... Dynamic personality. .... Elected in 2006 as a reformer. Opposed Don Young's re-election bid. ..... Anti-same sex marriage but supports other gay rights. .... She's a lifelong member of the National Rifle Association. .... Pro life.. Signed into law a very aggressive ethics reform package. ...... Good symbolism: she sold the former governor's state jet right after entering office. She's at the forefront of the oil drilling debate...very popular among all Alaskans. ......She faces a state probe into whether she tried to get a former brother in law fired from his law enforcement job.. .... Born in Idaho...grew up in Alaska... It would be hard for Sen. Joe Biden to bully her in a debate. ....

by January 20 2008-08-29 06:27AM | 0 recs
Re: Palin

Sorry, but this is a brilliant choice for McCain.

Democrats have much better intentions, but even in their bad years the Republicans are really smart marketers.

by mjc888 2008-08-29 06:31AM | 0 recs
The speech made him do it

I think that the speech last night was the reason that he picked Palin. I think that McCain has no chance, but at least it showed that he wants to win it really badly. Maybe we should deny him.

by ann0nymous 2008-08-29 06:32AM | 0 recs
Called it

Palin's a brilliant move.  We're going to have to figure out how to go after her without alienating, like, everybody.

Game on.

by Koan 2008-08-29 06:35AM | 0 recs
Re: Called it

Attack McCain aggressively until his whining gets old.

by Jess81 2008-08-29 06:51AM | 0 recs
Re: Called it

Why would we alientate people by attacking her?   Are we not allowed to attack women candidates any more?

Do you think the angriest woman in the Democratic Party are going to support a pander pick now?  This is a pander pick.  If he wanted a woman, there are many, many more qualified woman than Palin in the GOP.  

by gavoter 2008-08-29 06:52AM | 0 recs
Re: Called it

Why would we alientate people by attacking her?   Are we not allowed to attack women candidates any more?

Do you think the angriest woman in the Democratic Party are going to support a pander pick now?  This is a pander pick.  If he wanted a woman, there are many, many more qualified woman than Palin in the GOP.  

by gavoter 2008-08-29 06:52AM | 0 recs
Why would we alientate people by attacking her?

We just have to do it smart.  Someone upthread was like 'five kids, what, doesn't she know about birth control?'  That's an example of an attack that would alienate a lot of people. Going after her inexperience is a double-edged sword, of course--even though I would argue Obama has more and more relevant experience, a lot of people are likely to call hypocrisy.  And pushing this firing 'scandal' could backfire if it turns out, as seems likely, that there's nothing there.

I would push the narrative that, like you said, this is a pure pander pick: a cynical attempt to court former Clinton supporters by picking a woman.  And I would go after McCain, hard: 'this pick doesn't paper over the fact that McCain's still offering four more years of Bush/Cheney."

Etc.

by Koan 2008-08-29 10:31AM | 0 recs
Re: McCain VP Thread

Confirmed by CNN: Palin is VP.

by mjc888 2008-08-29 06:36AM | 0 recs
Re: McCain VP Thread

It's only a matter of time before the right starts to tear into her a bit. She signed same-sex benefits into law. She has a kid with Downs Syndrome. And she married an "Eskimo".. and probably most damning of all she's a woman. Oddly enough these are the only palatable things I find about her.

by IMind 2008-08-29 06:36AM | 0 recs
Re: McCain VP Thread

They won't tear down their own.  They certainly backed down on McCain.

by mjc888 2008-08-29 06:42AM | 0 recs
Palin an attractive candidate

Her good looks standing next to McCain's wrinkled self may be a plus for the ticket.

by RichardFlatts 2008-08-29 06:38AM | 0 recs
Re: Palin an attractive candidate

It will make him look older.

by IMind 2008-08-29 06:38AM | 0 recs
Cindy better watch out!

What do they say, "once a cheater always a cheater."

by RichardFlatts 2008-08-29 06:38AM | 0 recs
Re: Cindy better watch out!

It takes two -- and there's no indication Palin would cheat on her husband.

I know it's difficult, but let's try not to be sexist as we tear Palin apart, okay? (Yes, saying that McCain picked her because she's sexy and he wants to sleep with her is sexist.)

by SuGeAtARC 2008-08-29 06:48AM | 0 recs
Re: Cindy better watch out!

Well he picked her because she's a woman - that much I'm sure you'll concede.

by Jess81 2008-08-29 06:50AM | 0 recs
Re: Cindy better watch out!

Sure. But not because he's looking to have an affair with her. Leave that angle of attack on the floor -- it just makes the Dems look bad.

by SuGeAtARC 2008-08-29 06:59AM | 0 recs
Re: Cindy better watch out!

Agreed.  Implying she was only picked because she is "hot" plays directly into the Republicans' hands.

Better to question whether she was the "best" pick available (a la Dan Quayle).  

by Fluffy Puff Marshmallow 2008-08-29 06:53AM | 0 recs
Re: Cindy better watch out!

It was just a joke.  

...Tryin' to keep it light.

by RichardFlatts 2008-08-29 07:26AM | 0 recs
Re: Cindy better watch out!

I'm seeing way too many people take it seriously. And please don't joke with sexist remarks -- it makes it look like you don't take womens' issues seriously, and we CANNOT afford to have that meme take hold with a Hillary-less ticket for the Dems.

I don't object to humor, but it would be better if you could stay away from jokes that are derogatory toward women. I'm sure we'll hear enough of that from the MSM as it is.

by SuGeAtARC 2008-08-29 07:32AM | 0 recs
Re: Cindy better watch out!

Call me crazy.  I thought my post was derogatory to McCain.  .... The actual, factual cheater.

by RichardFlatts 2008-08-29 07:43AM | 0 recs
Re: Cindy better watch out!

It was derogatory to both of them. I won't object to you painting McCain as a serial adulterer if you won't make statements that seem to indicate Gov. Palin would meekly go along with any such activity. It really does take two to cheat.

by SuGeAtARC 2008-08-29 07:47AM | 0 recs
Clyburn at it again

I think after the magnificent convention, does Obama really need Clyburn suggesting that Palin is dumb. How soon do you think that Republican party would come out saying that Obama is running  a misogynistic campaign. My own suggestion would have been for asking Hillary to say something like--

`` Senator McCain has chosen Sarah Palin. I am glad that the Republican Party has finally decided to give females a voice and picked up a very commendable Sarah Palin. But like my good friend John, she has an extreme psoition on every major issue-healthcare, Iraq war, immigration, environment etc.. The choice represents a huge step backwards for our country.''

by ann0nymous 2008-08-29 07:15AM | 0 recs
Re: Clyburn at it again

Oh, ARRRRGHHH! NO NO NO NO!  Don't do the "pretty and dumb" meme, Clyburn, you moron!  

Obama better start cracking the whip and getting his team to play nice with the girls or it WILL become a disaster.

by SuGeAtARC 2008-08-29 07:33AM | 0 recs

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