by Todd Beeton, Tue Aug 26, 2008 at 07:14:57 PM EDT
Reviews of Hillary's speech from 2 friends watching at home.
AMAZING speech by Hillary. I had goosebumps. and you know I don't like her.
And...
Excellent speech by Hillary. Far exceeded my expectations. UNITY!
Caps were theirs.
I'm about out of battery life. What did you think?
I don't think "hit it out of the park" begins to describe the speech.
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She was amazing. Let's help reduce her debt
https://contribute.hillarycampaign2008.c om/dnccontest.html?sc=1999&utm_sourc e=1999&utm_medium=e
Moving, rousing, tremendously effective--
and not at all surprising.
She is terrific.
Barack Obama, buddy, I'd give your speech an extra once over if I were you.
That was great. I dunno if it did what she wanted it to do, but I can't imagine anyone for whom it wouldn't.
As Maddow said, anyone who could be convinced rationally will be convinced by this speech. There will be post-rational holdouts, but that can't be helped. Excellent, home-run of a speech for Unity and against McCain, major credit to Clinton from a person who's not a fan of hers.
Mrs Diefenbach was bitching about Hillary as late as yesterday, now she calls me at work telling me she loves her and her speech, which I guess I'll get the highlights of later. What the heck is a goin on?
Hillary, in the quiet words of The Who:
You are forgiven! You are forgiven!
You are forgiven, forgiven, forgiven!
of those voters who plan to vote for McCain or don't know were watching.
Except for those dumbass PUMAs, I don't see how any former Clinton supporters can't let her down now by not voting or voting for McCain.
I keep thinking there was a PUMA Viewing Party that turned into a major bummer about 60 seconds into the speech.
Somebody better call the authorities before they start ODing on Ben & Jerrys.
Hillary was sensational. This is the Hillary I've admired for so many years. This is why she really deserves the passionate dedication that she gets from her supporters.
This speech was perfect; invigorating, exciting, passionate and deeply moving. I can't scramble for the appropriate words. But I can, and did send her a more thanks of a more tangible sort: https://contribute.hillarycampaign2008.c om/contribute.html?sc=2507
As for the (ma)lingering pumas. Well, we've all known for a while that this was no longer about Hillary or the Democratic ideals. Judging from their mindset at the moment I think it's best just to consider them a small lost cause.
Nope. Not gonna do it. NOBAMA for me. No deal. Not even for you, lady.She is on FIRE tonight with this speech, even if a quarter or so of it was bogus O-propaganda.
* sigh *
Always will. Tremendous speech. Both my wife and I were in tears. The Harriet Tubman part of the speech was electric.
Well done Hillary. Amazing job.
DTAYLOR2...
YOU NEED TO LEARN WHAT THE FUCK DESERVES A TROLL RATING. THIS COMMENT IN NO WAY DESERVES IT.
Don't know why somebody would TR you for that...
As you said, Hill's speech was excellent. There aren't enough adjectives to describe how perfectly she hit every single note.
I hope Obama can top it because if he can, he can't be beaten. Then let's see if she can top him when he speaks at her nomination in 2016!
She didn't just hit it out of the park - that ball is sailing over New Zealand right now.
hahahaha the best part of this, it was a GREAT speech so ofcourse Fox News has to attack it, I hope PUMA is enjoying it, you know Fox News is their new favorite channel :-P
That speech made me want to move back to New York just so that I can vote for her. Blew me away.
No way. No how. No McCain.
An fantastic speech from a fantastic woman.....Here's to Hillary Rodham Clinton!!!
Hillary was awesome tonight..if she would have been that person during her campaign...I may have never given another candidate a look. I am so happy to be able to send her an honest compliment and have restored respect for her.
I'll give you that... I still would have supported Obama but he IS my Senator. But had she been like that, she would have probably won Iowa and thus take the whole thing. If she runs in 2016, She will have learned quite a bit...
Clinton/Warner 2016!!!
I'm remembering what it felt like when we were all giddy at our field, an embarrassment of riches.
Tonight was a good night.
Tonight reminded me why I'm a Democrat - and why at long last, I think we're going to reach that promised land in November.
Thank you Hillary.
Well done and godspeed.
Ain't this the truth. I am so proud of all of our candidates, and even though I have been a critic of Hillary, she won me over tonight. That was a friggin' AWESOME speech.
With moments like this at the DNC there is NOTHING the RNC is going to be able to put out to compete with it.
Were generally very positive. But Stephanopoulis couldn't resist pushing the Dems in Disarray meme a little, and was slapped down by ... wait for it ... Charlie freakin' Gibson!
Rough transcript:
STEPH: I got a call from a friend who's a big supporter of McCain who said "How dumb was it not to pick Hillary?"
GIBSON: Yeah, I guess the Republicans will try to keep fanning that flame.
You had to hear the tone of Gibson's voice for the full effect - so dismissive. I think he wanted to add "as if that's going to work any more after this speech." Steph came off looking like a real wanker.
Yeah. Truth hurts. People who tell the truth are wankers. Funny perspective!
I don't know how much effort to put into trying to clarify my remarks, because your history on this blog is very incendiary and not very open minded. But I will try a bit.
First off, I was a Clinton backer in the primary and one of those who thought (still think) she would have made the best choice for VP, for multiple reasons. Note though, that Steph did not say that for himself, nor was he engaging in any "truth-telling" as people normally understand the term. Right after Clinton's clearly heartfelt and inspiring speech in favor of Democratic unity, Steph was compelled (by some journalist gene that most of us do not have?) to parrot back the words of a McCain surrogate, words clearly designed to divide Democrats. That's why Steph looked like a wanker.
Her speech will be the speech we remember after the election is long over.
It's up there with Teddy Kennedy's '80 "The Dream Never Dies" speech, and Jesse Jackson's '88 "Keep Hope Alive" speech, and even Mario Cuomo's "Tale of Two Cities" speech in '84.
Or Barack Obama's 2004 Speech "The Audacity of Hope" which I would say is easily as memorable as Kennedy's 80 speech and more than Jesse's 88 speech.
Jesse Jackson's 88 speech is my first memory of politics. I was 5 years old, and remember watching that speech, not knowing a damn thing about politics, but cheering "Go, Jesse, Go" out of sheer inspiration.
Hillary gave some other kid that feeling tonight.
Probably... just as Obama gave someone that feeling 4 years ago. I'm not bad mouthing Jackson's speech... I'm saying Obama's is one of the best ever and felt it should be included in the above list. I've heard Obama give 3 of the greatest speeches I have ever heard... The Audacity of Hope, The Religion Speech (which pissed some progressives off who missed the point of the speech entirely, and the Race Speech after the Wright Affair.
That was hands down the best speech I ever heard Hillary give and would probably make my list of greatest speeches.
dude even the bitter republican callers on cspan are saying she did a good job!!! damn. when you can get compliments from the cspan callers you know we have moved some motha fucken mountains!
12 minutes or so in came this passage - absolutely arresting -
To me, she hit her stride here, and carried it through to the end.
In addition to everything else people will say about this speech's function, my take away is that in her writing, but most importantly, in her delivery, Hilary grew much larger in stature tonight.
I believe in what was suggested earlier (perhaps by Howard Fineman?) Ted Kennedy's torch in the Senate could now well pass now to her - what a noble calling!
~ Rob McC
How the frick did Obama people pass over her? If this is the speech she gave when she is not on the ticket, what would have happened when she was on the ticket.
Oh well, I guess you are allowed one mistake.
I think if Hillary wasn't married to the former president of the United States, she probably would have been a shoe-in for veep. Bill would have complicated things way too much for Obama.
If she wants to run again for President, she is better off not being VP. She will be the favorite and there are only 2 people with a chance of taking her on in 2016... Mark Warner and Al Gore. If Obama had a bad presidency, she would be tied to it.... If he is successful, he will support her in the General and that will help her beat whatever reptile the GOP puts up.
Being VP won't boost her any and could hurt her.... She's better off staying in the Senate and growing her stature even more.
Unfortunately, Hillary is 61 this year. She'll be 68 in 2016. For all the reasons we're savaging McCain for being too old and out of touch, it's extremely unlikely that she could follow a younger president. This was her chance. It is gone. That is why her supporters will always grieve that this wonderful woman will not be president.
It's unrealistic to try to console people with the "she has 2016" line. As the Democrats.com email just reminded me, at 73 McCain would be the oldest president ever elected.
Well, I'm bad at math - she'll be 69 in 2016, is what I meant to say.
69 is the same age as Ronald Reagan when he was elected in 1980. I would hope you'd think Hillary's skills and political know how are better than Reagan's.
They're sure as hell alot more noble.
She's starting with a hell of a lot more brains than Reagan, so it would take her much longer to lose her edge.
Well, if this speech is the key to getting Obama over the top against McCain, maybe he could offer her the first Supreme Court opening that comes along.
Boy am I the only one who'd love to see Roberts retire early, be impeached or simply drop dead from natural causes.... Chief Justice Hillary Clinton.
McCain comes off as a crazy bitter old man with some issues.... As long as Hillary is of sound mind, she will be find.... Especially with a Warner as VP. As Arkansaslib pointed out, Reagan was that age when elected. People are living longer these days.
Yes, but perhaps you missed all the sexist media crap about how old she looked this campaign? How she was getting jowly and had thick ankles? Think that the media will be any kinder to her in 8 years?
Reagan was a long time ago, and we now know that he had Alzheimer's while in office. We as a country are moving away from electing elderly presidents. I don't see us going back there.
>>Yes, but perhaps you missed all the sexist media crap about how old she looked this campaign?
How many people vote based on thick ankles? I know I don't.
>>We as a country are moving away from electing elderly presidents. I don't see us going back there.
Yet at the same time we are becoming a more elderly country, and our life spans keep expanding. I don't think electing someone in their 70's is a very revolutionary thing - rather "ho hum" if you asked me.
In all due respect, this is a shortsighted and ridiculous argument.
I want to make a couple points:
1) The media suffered a SERIOUS backlash for sexist attitudes in the netroots, Shuster was suspended and Matthews was made to apologize (which is something that blow hard rarely does). If they got a backlash for picking on a middle aged women, you don't think they'd get a FAR greater backlash from picking on an older woman?
2) Women have longer life expectancy than men.
3) Hillary doesn't have alzheimer's, isn't a fake cowboy or a fucking moron.
4) Hillary is a sharp lady and tough fighter now, 8 years will only add a few more years of grit and wisdom.
5) If there is one woman in America who could be just as tough and tenacious at 69 as she is at 60, TONIGHT proved it was Hillary Clinton.
6) We HAVE to turn the page on George Bush, we can't wait another 4 years, but we can rest assured that 8 years from now, we have one fighter who is absolutely ready to take center stage.
7) Think how FUCKING AWESOME it would be to see the Democrats elect the First African American and First Woman Presidents BACK TO BACK.
We can do it, whenever America faces challenges or needs barriers broken, history shows us that DEMOCRATS rise to the occasion.
Women are not being melodramatic when we say that we will not see a female President for the foreseeable future. That is the reality. There is no one waiting in the wings (at least not in the Democratic Party) with a real chance to break the highest and hardest glass ceiling. Hillary was our one best chance. We got tantalizingly close but the moment is gone.
Hillary Clinton would have been a spectacular President. I will always believe that we are all missing out by not having the chance to have her as our President. I will always feel some regret for what might have been this year.
Obama has my support, he'll get my vote... but Hillary Clinton has my respect, my admiration, my gratitude, my awe, my heart.
I dunno Twinmom. I do tend to agree that Hillary's chance may have slipped by for good. The prospect of her making a run in 2016 is not out of the question, but 8 years is an awfully long time in politics, and who knows who will be in the spotlight by then?
However, Hillary's candidacy has pushed our political discourse near (if not beyond) a tipping point, where from now on a female running for high office will not seem like a novelty. Maybe the next woman who runs can be examined more on her merits, with a lot less of the psycho-sexual undertone we saw in much of the media coverage this year.
In this respect, Jesse Jackson paved the trail for Obama by winning a bunch of primaries. even though he did not come close to getting the nomination, he gave people the chance to get used to the idea of a black man winning presidential primaries, and when Obama came along, he was instantly considered a credible candidate. Hillary has done the same for some woman - maybe herself, maybe someone we have not even heard of yet.
I think McCain is out of touch because he doesn't know how to use a computer, he's got 8 houses, and he thinks that Iraq was a good idea and wants to continue on in Iran....
As for him being 73, I don't see that being a decisive issue for the vast majority of Americans. And frankly, I don't think attacking someone for their age is a very respectable thing to do - I would suggest Democrats lay off that line of attack.
If Obama has 2 good terms and Hillary still wants to run in 2016 and is in good health, her age is not going to prevent her from running. But I sort of hope she either runs or makes peace with life and a difference in politics in other ways a la Al Gore. Pushing a universal health care bill through Congress would be a major accomplishment.
And that's just one reason I've been for Hillary all along.
Tremendous.
I wonder if Hillary thought about that vile joke John McCain told about then 12-year old Chelsea being ugly to get herself psyched up for this.
I know she's fiercely protective of her daughter and that's the type of thing no one ever forgets.
Ummm... the comment was when Chelsea was 18, in 1998...
http://www.salon.com/news/1998/06/25news b.html
That said, it was indeed a putrid, vile joke.
Hill hit it from Coors Field across America into the Atlantic Ocean.
And I was a massive critic throughout the primaries.
I love what James Carville just said on CNN. Quote, "if your a republican you had a bad night tonight."
OK, you'd expect a good reaction from Keith, and the fact that Tweety liked it isn't a real stretch, but Andrea? Her tag line was that she felt a real change on the convention floor after the speech.
I feel sooo good that she squashed keith obermann tonight.. hate the jerk... glad he was left gawking.. fool!
I know he was hard on Hillary, but he and now Maddow are the only progressives on Cable news.
bullshit progressive.. what progressive.. where was his condemnation when Obama sidestepped on FISA.. or was that just a sham.. is he progressive on principle or is he another clinton hating partisan hack.. I think the latter.. I give racheal maddow credit though.. fantastic woman..
Olbermann did seem peeved at Obama, but certainly kept it in check. But in fairness to him, by the time Obama made that move the only other candidate in the race was McCain. Is he gonna do better?
Wow. Spectacular speech that made me proud of her and proud to be proud of her. In retrospect, it's made me think back to that moment where the two of them stood together before the California debate and I thought there it is, that's why I am a Democrat. And tonight once again, that is why, this is why, I am a Democrat.
OMG! She crushed it! I have no doubt now that we will win this election united and going away. She was all the things we needed her to be: powerful, inspiring and above all a team player who put the party and the bigger goals above her own campaign. She framed the battle in so many great ways, and took it to McCain in terms so tone perfect that I bet they are crapping themselves in McCain HQ. This Obama supporter has no doubts that Hillary Clinton will be a great asset not only to the election of Barack Obama but more importantly to the future of progressive politics in this country. Wow! What a night!
OMG! She crushed it! I have no doubt now that we will win this election united and going away. She was all the things we needed her to be: powerful, inspiring and above all a team player who put the party and the bigger goals above her own campaign. She framed the battle in so many great ways, and took it to McCain in terms so tone perfect that I bet they are crapping themselves in McCain HQ. This Obama supporter has no doubts that Hillary Clinton will be a great asset not only to the election of Barack Obama but more importantly to the future of progressive politics in this country. Wow! What a night!
If McCain is up five over the weekend, it's lights out...
Just a snark, but you never know.
Her speech was great but I wish she would have given me a reason to vote for Obama, something other than he's not McCain. She said nothing about Obama's qualities that will make him a good President. Or did I miss that part?
I'm still not ready to vote for Obama. Sorry. Hillary just proved again that she should be on the ticket. She didn't tell me why Obama should be.
so did you not listen to the speech are you just a troll?
I want you to ask yourselves: Were you in this campaign just for me? Or were you in it for that young Marine and others like him? Were you in it for that mom struggling with cancer while raising her kids? Were you in it for that boy and his mom surviving on the minimum wage? Were you in it for all the people in this country who feel invisible?
Those are the reasons I ran for President. Those are the reasons I support Barack Obama. And those are the reasons you should too.
but if only she gave you a reason to vote for Barack.
What's any of that got to do with Obama? I wanted her to say something positive about HIM, give me a reason or two to support HIM, something other than "well, at least he's a democrat". What's unique about Obama, what's he bringing to the table? I didn't hear a thing about him, his skills, his visions, his leadership abilities.
I think you should watch his speech if you were looking for that. From what I understand, that's what he will be doing.
As for Hillary, this was saying, if you care about the things I care for, this should not even be a choice.
I think that SueBee is right here. But she's also caught in a contradiction. The fact that HRC did not give more of a rationale for why Obama, in particular, is poised to carry the legacy forward is why it was an excellent speech, but not a great one. The evaluation of a speech has to take into account it's rhetorical context, i.e. regarding what it aims to persuade. Of course, I am willing to take a utilitarian tack here. If it works, than this criticism will be somewhat nullified. Unfortunately, SueBee's own reaction seems to indicate that this flaw is a real one. We need a larger sample size to determine that.
...and ask yourself what the average poster there would find to be a compelling reason to vote for Obama. Maddow's "post-rational" critique applies here. I heard HRC saying that Obama carries forward the values and goals we have in common. I think it will persuade rational people who share the values HRC enumerated. Post-rational people...well, like I said at first, what would ever convince those people?
Sure. Some will never be convinced. But if the speech was light on something it was more specific rationale for Obama's candidacy. It's not clear to me she could have accomplished this compellingly. But this is exactly why some of us were so upset at the way she was giving the republicans fodder during the primaries. McCain's camp is crowing that she still did not address his readiness. That argument against Obama would have been raised anyway. But look how Clinton (an Biden as well) made that accusation more credible.
I thought it was an excellent speech. I hold nothing against Clinton with regards to it. But if there is something we needed her to do, whether or not she was capable, then this was it.
Not her job, and she's not super-human. Honestly, I cried during her speech. I can't imagine what it took to stand up there, knowing that you lost, knowing that you are still passionately supported, knowing that your bid was historic and that so many women will be let down because it failed. To try to put a smile on your face and say that it's okay, to not be sad or sentimental, to be a team player, despite what really was a deluge of sexism from the media. It must have taken superhuman effort. It's too much to ask that she make a passionate personal plea for Obama. She did what she needed to do, she did what she could, she made the political case for him. She fulfilled her role, and it must have been incredibly difficult to do it. I don't think anyone should have expected her to make a sales pitch for Obama, there were plenty of other people at the convention to do that.
I thought her plea for Obama was as passionate and personal as any I've seen her give this election cycle. She did everything she could have. This speech was FANTASTIC, and anyone who complains is looking for a reason to whine.
Yeah, she only said our children and our country depended on it.
Screw them, huh?
Well, Hillary is smart, and a Democrat, and she endorses Obama. She basically said the fate of our nation hinges on us making the right decision and electing Barack Obama. In fact, she gave a barn burner of a speech saying that our future can only be bright if we elect Obama. I don't see any ambiguity here. Hillary says elect Obama or we will all suffer, and she couldn't be more right.
Why don't you actually take some time and read both of their positions? Are you an individual who is intelligent enough to read up on the Pro-Choice, Pro-Womens rights Obama and the Anti-Choice, Called his wife a C**T John McCain or are you a sheep that has to be told what to do.
What do you disagree with Obama on? Or more specifically, what is McCain going to do for you that Obama will not?
I just do not trust Obama to keep us safe. If we aren't safe, abortion and gay rights don't really matter, do they? jmo
1) How does a guy with a twitchy trigger finger like McCain keep us safe?
2) Are we safer now than 8 years ago? (The answer is No as Al Qaida is stronger than ever)
3) Where do you live? Do you live in an ACTUAL CITY THAT MAY BE A TARGET... DC, NY, CHICAGO, LA, SEATTLE, PHILLY, ETC. or do you live in rural Mississippi, Iowa, Ohio or some other place that terrorists don't give a flying fuck about, the people there are safer from terrorists than those in a big city but for some idiotic reason you run you life by needless fear because you watch way too much TV and movies? Because if you don't live in a major city, you may want to worry about the economy and not something idiotic like the chance of a terrorist attacking.... in fact Buy a lotto ticket because you have a better chance winning Power Ball than getting killed ina terrorist attack. In fact there has only been 2 attacks on US soil by foreign terrorists... the failed Bombing of the World Trade Center and 9-11....
4) McCain has supported Bush's policies which have failed to make us safer by ignoring customs, border patrol etc.
Answer those please.
I guarantee you every city that might be an actual target of terrorism will vote for Obama.
The idiots in the sticks who think their local Pizza Hut is going to be attacked by Islamofascists are the ones who will vote for McCain on security issues.
(I'll never understand how the party that allowed 9/11 to happen became the security party anyway.)
Agreed with you there... Its like the people who are scared all the info on their HD will be stolen if they drop it off to a recyling place... NOBODY CARES! THEY DON'T TARGET THOSE PLACES... They go after businesses... the chances are ASTRONOMICAL. I'm tired of stupid people who live in fear... my tolerance for them is nil.
Can you refrain from antagonizing potential Democratic voters?
SueBee raises a legitimate question and the answer is that Obama is going to put together a great national security team and have a great foreign policy, not that "you may be a dumb shit who lives in the exurbs so why do you care about terrorism". Just a suggestion - that is - if you care about winning people over to your side...
Sorry, SueBee's been declaring left right and center how there is no way she could ever vote for Obama. We have to take her at her word and abandon hope of 'winning' her over.
Yeah,I gotta say, if you think we're safer now, I think you're nuts. Homeland security is shit, FEMA is a disaster and we still haven't caught the guy who killed thousands of innocent Americans.
McCain is advised by even more hardcore neoconservatives than Bush was. We WILL go to war with Iran. That much is a given. It's just a matter of who joins in. Russia has a great deal of disdain for John McCain, I think if he took us with Israel into war with Iran, Iran would get Russia to provide support.
Unfortunately, short of Obama either pledging to attack a country or killing a terrorist and bringing back their head, I don't think there's anything he can do to convince you on that front.
If we cared more as a country about being safe than about freedom and individual rights, we wouldn't have even had a revolution in the first place.
If we aren't safe, abortion and gay rights don't really matter, do they?
You couldn't be more wrong. You would have us give up freedom in the pursuit of security? That is certainly not the basis upon which this nation was founded and has prospered. We need vision, intelligence and forward-looking leadership - not some guy who is "good" by default just because he has been making wrong decisions for a really, really long time.
Actually, bombing other countries and killing millions of people is exactly how NOT to keep a country safe. Being a terrorist is a very hard, horrible life - the only reason people ever become terrorists is because they are so completely burned about perceived injustice to themselves, their loved ones and their country. The way to create lots of more terrorists quickly is to kill thousands of innocent people - many of their children and close family will take to terrorism, especially if there is no other way to retaliate against the perpetrators (bombers). When you "shock and awe" bomb a country thousands of miles away that wasn't even involved in an attack on your own country, with completely disregard for massive loss of civilian life, you maximize the likelihood of creating new terrorists.
Bush and McCain's response to 9/11 has been to work hard to create thousands of new terrorists.
The Democrat / Obama way is police action that eliminates existing terrorists combined with good faith negotiation and aid that improves living conditions, improves the image of the US and prevents the creation of new terrorists.
You judge who will keep you more safe, the one who wants to negotiate with Iran or the one who wants to bomb it.
Scene: 911 Commission hearing
RICE: I remember very well that the president was aware that there were issues inside the United States. He talked to people about this. But I don't remember the al Qaeda cells as being something that we were told we needed to do something about.BEN-VENISTE: Isn't it a fact, Dr. Rice, that the August 6 PDB warned against possible attacks in this country? And I ask you whether you recall the title of that PDB?
RICE: I believe the title was, "Bin Laden Determined to Attack Inside the United States."
Nobody told them they should do something about it? And recall that Rice was subsequently promoted to Secretary of State.
Are these the people you think are best equipped to keep us safe?
this is probably a troll but this is the republican talking point coming out of the speech and as good a speech as it was for hillary supporters, her own career, and for showing how much mccain sucks, she didn't really do her job in getting people to vote for obama.
she will have to do her own GOTV to get her supporters to the polls. simply "not voting for mccain" is not enough.
makes me sick when people vote on things not related to the issues. not voting is even worse
I agree that not voting on issues and not voting sucks.
She may have to do those other things but, really, I don't think any Dem should expect any more from her. She did a great job tonight. I've never been a HRC fan, but I believe any imagined 'debt' has been paid tonight.
The one line, "were you in it for me or for that Marine?" was more than enuf in my opinion.
If she wants to do GOTV and barnstorm across the country for Barack, that's great.
God, I wish someone from the Clinton camp would leak to the media that Hillary was still bitter about McCain's disgusting joke about Chelsea being ugly so many years ago.
I would love to get the media discussing that incident ad nauseum. McCain comes off looking like a heartless piece of shit.
Like Michelle tonight? Why did she look so angry?
McCain never said that Chelsea was ugly. That was Rush. Assuming you care about accuracy.
BTW, I have worked for every democrat President since McGovern. I intended to do the same thing this year, if we had a candidate with enough experience that I could trust her/him. I didn't get that.
After that speech, can anyone tell me why Hillary isn't on this ticket?
McCain never said that Chelsea was ugly. That was Rush.
Nope, sorry. I hate to burst your bubble but it was McCain who told that joke. It's all over the internets.
Here's one link, of many...
Sure you still want to vote for McCain?
BTW: Michelle looked elated.
You're wrong.
http://www.salon.com/news/1998/06/25news b.html
But you're obviously delusional.
The PUMAs are calling......
I think Michelle is cursed with a natural frown on her face. I have one of those myself. Even when I'm happy, unless I'm absolutely delighted, I look like I'm totally bored. I got more of her personality from the way she kinda awkwardly held her arms in front of her like a shy little kid.
I can't believe you don't trust Obama to keep us safe, but you worked for McGovern. Jesus Christ.
McCain is a navy man and he has never changed. He clearly learned misogynist tendencies that have never escaped him. Even when courting his wife, he chased her around a table like a dog in heat.
I wish Hillary was on the ticket, I think it would have been really hard to govern with it. Hillary's role would be reduced to an advisor, and you know she doesn't want that.
Let Biden do the funerals, behind-the-scenes counseling and all the other minutiae that comes with the VP slot.
We just found the heir-apparent to the title "Lion(ess) of the Senate".
It's shame that a woman has to plaster a smile on her face to be acceptable. I read it as completely engrossed, also tense (there was a lot riding on how the speech was received).
I remember the look on my wife's face after the birth of our first daughter. It was weird, focused and powerful. A little scary.
However, I am fairly certain she was not angry.
It was mccain. rush limpball and the rest of the rightwing pigs picked up on it and ran.
You are the first person to say Michele looked angry. I have not seen it yet, but I am guessing that you are seeing what you want to see.
Since the righties and faux news want to keep pushing the meme that Michele is an "angry" black woman, I am guessing that you just accidently gave into that train of thought. Right?
There were a lot of different looks--she did smile at times, but she looked a lot of ways, all completely congruent with what Hillary was saying. I think Michelle loved the speech. And I know where the "she looked angry" meme came from, or at least a place it's taken root. I went to allegre's corner immediately after the speech, assuming that they would finally wake up or something, because I am naive sometimes. And that was all over the comment threads. I was surprised for a second...then I remembered that my doctoral research was all about how people project their own preconceptions when interpreting ambiguous facial expressions (and complex emotions generate ambiguous facial expressions).
The Black woman isn't smiling 100% of the time, so she must want to kill Whitey.
Do you even listen to your own contradictions? You keep stating what a strong Democrat you have been and how you have supported every Democrat, but you can't support Obama.
What wonderful Foreign and Military experience did Bill Clinton have in 1992 that Obama does not have now in 2008? Please give me just 3 good examples on this, and I will not assume you are talking about the big honking obvious one that is staring us all in the face.
Ambigous construction, Ms. Bee. You've "worked for every democrat President since McGovern."
You served in Carter's administration, and both of Clinton's? (McGovern of course was never president.)
Or, did you mean to say you campaigned for every Democratic presidential candidate since McGovern? (If so, was there a reason you didn't support McGovern, as well?)
Blogging engenders imprecision - we get that. But it also allows for drilling down.
I hope Ford is right and Bill will try to outdo Hillary. Great job. Here's hoping Clinton and Biden keep it going tomorrow.
My wife called me halfway through, so I paused the DVR...and then the channel changed to PBS and I lost the speech!
Anybody know where I can find it online? Or if somebody will be replaying it? I'm freaking out here.
http://www.demconvention.com/ will have it soon. MSNBC just promised to replay it as well.
Thanks! Their video player is amazing, I can actually watch full screen and have it not look like crap. Hopefully she'll be up soon...
If I never before saw a tour-de-force, epic, game-changing speech, I saw one tonight.
Damn!
its great when he has a live crowd, so that that everyone sees that no, he is wrong.
I love it he is saying Hillary supporters wont move over, and he has hillary supporters behind him yelling nooo!!
shut him up quite nicely and really makes his argument look dumb when the people he is talking about are behind him saying he is wrong.
but i didn't think it was that great. number one, she didn't really make a case for obama, just said that she supported him fully. i wish she'd taken on some of the things she said in the past, said he was ready to lead, etc.
number two, i am tired as hell of the sacharine rhetoric we get in all these convention speeches about how we are in favor of jobs, education and health care for everyone, opportunity for all, and a happy wonderful america. this stuff is just not inspiring and is boring as hell. i also get pretty tired of the Little Timmy anecdotes i.e. "I will always remember Little Timmy from the campaign and how he inspired me and how we're all in this for him." 98% of the time the anecdote is empty of feeling.
Same with Warner. How about some semi-substance at least about how McCain will trample the right to choose, flip flopped on drilling and tax cuts and a million other things, doesn't understand the economy and wants to dig the deficit hole even deeper, doesn't inspire anyone, is a dangerous hothead who loves war, etc. How many empty speeches are we going to get about the laundry list of Things We All Like?
I liked the Harriet Tubman part though, that was actually inspiring.
To your point, if there is one thing that Republicans will try to take out of this is that she never explicitly stated that Obama was prepared and qualified to be President. I am sure that there is an attack ad already prepared to that fact.
I think it was a very good speech overall, and I did love the lines asking if people were in it for her, or what she believed in. I think she made some very good opening attacks on McCain and I hope that Biden is able to take those attacks to the next level tomorrow (oh, and please stop telling us he is your friend, just go for the throat)
agree completely. let's go for the throat. enough playing nice against the f*ckwad lying republicans.
i did like when Hillary asked whether we were in it for her or for america. only she diluted that great line by asking if we were in it for her or for Little Timmy, which is the formulation that grates the hell out of me (see above).
"I'm about out of battery life. What did you think?"
I think we need universal power outlets. What good is your health when you can't even blog?
Thank you. That's what I have been trying to say. She needed to say something about Obama and why he's deserving of our votes!
AMAZING speech by Hillary. I had goosebumps. and you know I don't like her.I don't like Obama.
Hillary's speech was OUT-FUCKING-STANDING!
Pardon my French, but I'm fired up.
When they realize our SECOND place finisher is so much better than the best they have to offer. I've said it from the beginning of the primary, we had a great slate of candidates to choose from and the Republicans had squat.
the speech of a lifetime. I know Obama is supposed to be the better speaker, but man...I can't see him topping this!
Although the PBS talking heads' (all male, of course!) dissection of it pissed me off. Earth to morons:
1. Backtracking on all her primary comments would have simply re-emphasized the wounds of the past, rather than emphasizing what we need to do NOW and in the coming months.
2. Backtracking on all her primary comments would have been a complete turn-off to her wavering supporters, who would have (rightly, I might add) interpreted it as "I'm being forced to do this." That is exactly the wrong message. The RIGHT message is the one she gave tonight--"I am freely and willingly endorsing Obama, because he stands for what you and I really believe in."
So the scorecard of the evening comes out to Talking Heads 0, Hillary Clinton 18,000,000. Rock on, Senator Clinton!
it was an article of faith that Obama's was the better speaker. At the beginning, it really wasn't close. She found her voice near the end, and each speech improved until we get this, a masterpiece, easily the equal of his 2004 speech.
If the speeches are supposed to keep getting better (to build climax) then Biden must be sweating, Bill has his work cut out for him, and Obama's going to have to find some genuine inspiration. The acceptance speech will either be a generational model of political rhetoric, or it will be the "speech 2 days after Hillary's".
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