McCain:Aug 29th for his VP; Obama within 96 hours

Politico is reporting that McCain is going to announce his VP on August 29th in Ohio. This is not surprising, they don't want to cede the remainder of this week with the buildup of Obama announcing his VP, and the bulk of next week wrapped up in the DNCC convention. A smart tactical move by McCain.  Who is it?  Who knows! Viewing it from the perspective of wanting him to chose a loser, here's what I'd project:

Yikes: Meg Whitman, Sarah Palin
Hmmm: Tom Ridge, Cantor, Some Republican Guy from Ohio
Whatever: Pawlenty, Thune, Huckabee
Awesome: Romney, Crist, Lieberman

As for Obama, the timing is said to be as early as Wednesday, and no later than Friday. On Thursday, Clinton is campaigning in Florida for Obama... just saying.

Tags: Barack Obama, John McCain (all tags)

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Re: McCain:Aug 29th for his VP; Obama within 96 ho

The NY Times is reporting that he hasn't informed his VP-to-be yet.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/08/19/us/pol itics/19veep.html?hp

by rfahey22 2008-08-18 04:55PM | 0 recs
Re: McCain:Aug 29th for his VP; Obama within 96 ho

I am putting my money on "Some Republican Guy From Ohio" because Lori is a smart person and she says so.

Some people expect an out-of-the-box selection from McCain but I honestly do not see him trying to out-celebrity Obama.

by Steve M 2008-08-18 04:58PM | 0 recs
It's fairly obvious.

The thing I like is it's being reported that McCain is planning to pick his own candidate. I don't know how true that is, but it substantially raises the chances of McCain picking a rebel without a clue like Lieberman.

by vcalzone 2008-08-18 05:04PM | 0 recs
Re: It's fairly obvious.

Lieberman or Ridge would kill McCain with his base.

by politicsmatters 2008-08-18 05:14PM | 0 recs
Re: It's fairly obvious.

Don't underestimate the STUPIDITY of his base or the power of negative campaigning.  I always thought that nominating  Republican who was comically uncomfortable saying 'God' or 'Jesus' would kill their chances with the base, but...

by ArkansasLib 2008-08-18 06:10PM | 0 recs
I'd Love Clinton

But is Clinton willing to take the job? There are mixed signals on that front. Certainly indications from Bill Clinton would seem to suggest that they want very little to do with him beyond obligatory service to the party.

by vcalzone 2008-08-18 05:01PM | 0 recs
Re: I'd Love Clinton

Clinton as McCain's VP? That WOULD be out of the box!!!

by antiHyde 2008-08-18 05:05PM | 0 recs
Re: I'd Love Clinton

Well, I was responding to Jerome's last paragraph, but yes it would.

by vcalzone 2008-08-18 05:15PM | 0 recs
How about McCain

as Obama's VP! Oh wait.......that doesn't work does it :)

by missliberties 2008-08-18 07:16PM | 0 recs
Re: McCain:Aug 29th for his VP; Obama within 96 ho

Isn't Sarah Palin involved in some sort of scandal involving firing her brother-in-law?   Also, she unfortunately just gave birth to a child with Down syndrome, and might not be ready to campaign full time.

And Meg Whitman?  A billionaire CEO?   That'd fit in well with McCain's comment that you need to make 5 million a year to be rich.

by feynman 2008-08-18 05:01PM | 0 recs
Re: McCain:Aug 29th for his VP; Obama within 96 ho

He will never ever have a woman as his running mate.  It would kill his chances.  

It's going to be Rob Portman, former Rep from Ohio and Bush budget moron.  He passes the look test, has that conservative, "fiscally responsible" credential the media will eat up and he is from Ohio.  

He shores up the uneasy feeling  many culturally moderate, economically conservative Republicans all over suburban America have about McCain and Republicans in general this year.  

by Eric11 2008-08-18 06:32PM | 0 recs
Re: McCain:Aug 29th for his VP; Obama within 96 ho

I think you're right, and I think that the Obama response needs to immediately frame Portman as the architect of Bush's failed economic and fiscal policies. Any time he's mentioned the budget deficit and bad economy should be hung around his neck like an anchor.

by noop 2008-08-19 07:25AM | 0 recs
Re: McCain:Aug 29th for his VP

I'm not sure how smart McCain is to name his vp the day after the Democratic convention. Clearly he wants to mute the Obama bounce, but it's not as if Obama won't have his own events that same day and through the weekend. You'd think that Obama and his vp will be traveling through swing states, possibly Ohio.  So they'd share the time - along with the news that it was just McCain's 72nd birthday.

by politicsmatters 2008-08-18 05:13PM | 0 recs
great point

Obama and his running mate should head straight for Ohio.  They can do a three stop tour, Cincinatti, Columbus and Cleveland.  That could do a lot to take the wind out of the sails of the McCain camp.

by gavoter 2008-08-18 05:24PM | 0 recs
If McCain does a 10,000 person event

Then Obama should do a 50,000 person event -- in Ohio or Florida or Virginia.

by existenz 2008-08-18 07:29PM | 0 recs
Taylor Marsh

Jerome linking to Taylor Marsh-- his not so subtle last minute push for Hillary Clinton as VP, though futile?

For the record, I also believe that Hillary is the only choice for VP that (a) makes logical sense and (b) dramatically increases Obama's chances to win in November.  Clinton has baggage, yes, but Obama ought to be able to handle it with his usual suave self confidence.

by Sieglinde 2008-08-18 05:13PM | 0 recs
Re: Taylor Marsh

With the putdowns from Bill and from friends of Hillary lately, I really can't see how Obama could name Hillary. They have poisoned the well for that pretty well.

by politicsmatters 2008-08-18 05:15PM | 0 recs
are you joking?

Hillary campaigned for him in Nevada last week; New Mexico this week.

All the putdowns?  Poisoned the well?  She has been remarkably gracious and supportive of his campaign.
Please note, kids, if you think Obama has been put down by friends of Hillary, you ain't seen nothin' yet--and must not have paid close attention to previous elections.  Politics is not beanbag and I don't think Obama is ready to rumble.  Hillary is.

by Thaddeus 2008-08-18 05:49PM | 0 recs
Re: are you joking?

If Clinton was so ready to rumble, why didn't she get the nomination? It looks like a relative lightweight beat her to the punch. Whacha talkin' 'bout, Obama ain't ready to rumble? He took out two political heavyweights (Hillary and Bill) and now he's got his sights set on McCain. VP matters very little my friend.

by tomanderson13 2008-08-18 06:00PM | 0 recs
Re: are you joking?

Nicely said. Can't believe people still try to push that meme.

He beat the Clintons (The Clintons!)....

and now he can't take McCain out?

by spacemanspiff 2008-08-18 06:13PM | 0 recs
Re: are you joking?

thanks

i'm also hoping obama selects clark. although i would like biden also. but like i said, VP really doesn't matter much. it's really going to come down to whether or not people can pull the lever for obama.

by tomanderson13 2008-08-18 06:27PM | 0 recs
Re: are you joking?

"It looks like a relative lightweight beat her to the punch."

Yea, pretty much.

by Jerome Armstrong 2008-08-18 07:45PM | 0 recs
Re: are you joking?

Anyway to talk bad about the first black nominee Jerome.

Stay classy.

by sweet potato pie 2008-08-18 08:15PM | 0 recs
Re: are you joking?

I see I didn't miss much in the 6 weeks I got married/honeymooned and moved to Virginia from NY.

The good news is I already became a resident and registered to vote here.

by mefeck 2008-08-18 08:45PM | 0 recs
The huge mistake

is to confuse the dynamics of the primary with those of the general election.  Ask Mike Dukakis, or John Kerry.

Obama did beat Clinton to the punch, and good for him.  But if you missed the way Clinton closed the primary season, and the way she fights tough against Repubs, there is nothing I can do to convince you otherwise.

No, the Obama fans THINK the primary was a rough fight.  That's what concerns me.  There will be no comparison between that dance and the war that's coming.

If he chooses Joe Biden to get some gravitas, God help us.  Imagine the number of dumbass things Biden has said over the years.  It's staggering.
And if you want to know Biden's status among his peers, check out the extent of support he received in terms of endorsements for his 2008 presidential run.  Very instructive.

by Thaddeus 2008-08-18 08:19PM | 0 recs
Sounds like Alegre

~80 days remain.

I'm still waiting for the war to come and the dip in the polls.

Or then again, maybe (just maybe) Obama is better at this than the Clintons.

by iohs2008 2008-08-18 08:53PM | 0 recs
better than the Clintons?

Well, Clinton went 2 for 2, so it would be rather difficult to do better than that.

by Thaddeus 2008-08-19 08:52AM | 0 recs
Correction: 2 for 3 :)

And who are we voting for anyways, Hillary or Billary this time around?

PUMA Logic: Just because Bill Clitnon is the only democratic candidate to win the Presidency in 28 years means that only Bill Clinton can win the Presidency.

by iohs2008 2008-08-19 11:24AM | 0 recs
Unable to follow your own argument?

1. Ah, you were the one who said maybe Obama was better than the ClintonS, so the Hillary or Billary distinction issue at this point makes no sense.

2. we are talking about general elections: the Clintons are 2 for 2.

3. Twisted logic: only Bill Clinton can win.  No, but try this slowly: The Clinton team has shown it knows how to compete successfully in a general election; we are now in a general election;; it would be of value to have their input at this point.

OK?

by Thaddeus 2008-08-19 06:17PM | 0 recs
Electing the loser

Sorry Alegre, but I can't see how we should we should elect someone for the general who can't get themselves out of the primary.

And you're not thinking fourth dimensionally. Sure, ONE clinton won in 1992. But what about the OTHER in 2008? her campaign was a disaster and tone deaf to modern times.

Which is why she lost.

And the minute you start medling the two together, the less people want to vote for them.

by iohs2008 2008-08-20 01:30PM | 0 recs
So obnoxious AND silly

I'm not Alegre and I've been on this blog for over a year.  Your insistence on your erroneous version of reality based on no evidence and the rudeness of calling someone by another name is a disqualifying combination.

As for electing the "loser," please, please familiarize yourself with U.S. history--for starters Kennedy-Johnson and Reagan-Bush.

by Thaddeus 2008-08-21 06:35AM | 0 recs
Re: The huge mistake

thaddeus,
what about all the dumbass things McCain has said over the years? quit focusing on the negative, and start kicking some ass...

like i said before, VPs don't matter that much when it comes time to place your vote.

by tomanderson13 2008-08-19 05:58AM | 0 recs
Sure it matters!

It's the first presidential decision a candidate makes.  In this case Obama could re-galvanize millions of women, or he could choose a candidate that mobilizes Hispanics, or helps carry a critically important state.  Biden does none of these.  

To go past Hillary to another '08 candidate who got no support from voters is a statement--to me it's about Obama not wanting to be overshadowed by Hillary.  That strikes me as weak and egocentric.  Maybe that's unfair, and certainly most people won't ultimately be influenced by the Veep choice, but to say they don't matter that much is to miss completely the reason so much careful attention is put on the process.

by Thaddeus 2008-08-19 08:56AM | 0 recs
Re: Sure it matters!

my god thaddeus, you make it sound like the Clintons don't have any baggage. they do, lots of it. if so many people decide who they will vote for based on the VP (and that is what you are implying), then there's a strong possibility that Clinton as VP would galvanize many republicans and independents against obama's ticket.

i don't think that is true. the people who are voting against obama have already made their decision no matter who the VP is. and i seriously doubt many at all will decide to vote for obama based on his choice of biden, bayh, clark, richardson, kaine, clinton, etc. as VP.

sure, if obama chooses paris hilton or bozo the clown, he's doomed, but to say that the choice of biden, bayh, clark, richardson, kaine, or clinton is going to make or break obama, is clearly wrong.

i refrained from saying this earlier, but i am now compelled to point out that you seem to be stuck in the past...upset that clinton didn't get the nomination and even more disturbed that obama may not select hillary as VP.

the past is the past. look at the positives. if obama is elected, clinton may very well end up on the supreme court.

by tomanderson13 2008-08-19 10:06AM | 0 recs
Spare me the psychoanalysis

You were right the first time to avoid it.

I'm not worried about Hillary-she'll be fine.  I'm concerned about the future of the country.  I want to see a Democratic administration.  Biden is an overly cautious and ultimately harmful pick, in my opinion.
To go to any other contender in '08 requires rejecting the greatest vote getter in Dem primary history.  One would need a great reason to do that.  I haven't heard one and I'm not a middle-aged + woman.  I suspect a critical number of women will stay pissed if a retread like Biden is chosen instead of a woman who inspired so many women and really carried their dreams with her.

But more than that, this shapes up as a very close election.  Any major decision between now and then will shape the outcome.  Only a political naif would think the choice of a running-mate isn't one of those key decisions.  

I'd be happy with Clinton, Sebelius, Strickland, Reed, Kerry or Clark; satisfied with Daschle, Warner, Kaine, or Rendell.  I'd be sorely disappointed with Bayh, Richardson, Dodd, Biden.

Got it?  I'm not obsessed with Hillary.  

by Thaddeus 2008-08-19 05:13PM | 0 recs
Re: Spare me the psychoanalysis

thaddeus said, "Any major decision between now and then will shape the outcome."

you are still over-emphasizing the VP decision.

i suspect the presidential debates will have much more of an impact on people's perceptions of the candidates than the veeps they chose. historically speaking, many americans can't even name the VP.

by tomanderson13 2008-08-19 07:20PM | 0 recs
Are you saying

Hillary wouldn't be Swiftboated.

During the primaries her numbers went up BECAUSE Republicans stopped attacking her and focused solely on Obama.

Think about it.

by missliberties 2008-08-18 07:20PM | 0 recs
Re: Are you saying

This has been demonstrated pretty clearly in a graph up at 538. While attacks skyrocketed for both Obama and McCain after February, hers never even got off the landing pad.

That said, as the VP, she'd be much harder to attack in that way. Not to mention that they've praised her so often by now.

by vcalzone 2008-08-18 07:26PM | 0 recs
Re: are you joking?

Hillary has been great. But Bill and her Rothschild friend, among others, have not been.

by politicsmatters 2008-08-18 08:53PM | 0 recs
Re: Taylor Marsh

I don't think Clinton makes much logical sense...

The logical choice is probably Biden.  He fills in the supposed Obama deficits....

by JenKinFLA 2008-08-18 05:16PM | 0 recs
Biden highlights the deficits

and is also a blowbag, hasn't had a real job since he was 30, and is a blowbag (did I mention that?)  Biden and Hillary both ran for president.  Hillary got 18,000,000 votes; Biden got approximately 18.  And it's going to be Biden?

If so, say hello to President McCain.

by Thaddeus 2008-08-18 05:43PM | 0 recs
Re: Biden highlights the deficits

So if it's Obama/Biden, McCain wins?  Uh, ok.  Wanna put some money on that?

by fogiv 2008-08-18 06:25PM | 0 recs
Re: Biden highlights the deficits

Well that doesn't make any sense at all....picking the VP is all about the runner-up for the nomination?

by mefeck 2008-08-18 07:07PM | 0 recs
Re: Biden highlights the deficits

You mention the blowbag part?

by Jerome Armstrong 2008-08-18 07:49PM | 0 recs
Doesn't make sense....

unless Obama wants to be president.  She got 18 million votes and closed like the wind.  This is a freaking no-brainer.  If he blows this pick he will make a huge mistake, quite possibly one that will lose the election.

by Thaddeus 2008-08-18 05:45PM | 0 recs
Re: Doesn't make sense....

You actually got me to laugh at your doomsday talk.  I realize you are just trying to push for clinton, which is fine by me but you are missing two important points.

1.  In the end, people will vote for the top of the ticket.  Try to track down a VP candidate who brought a state or a constituency in the last few decades.  People who hate Obama are not going to vote for him simply because he picked Clinton.

2.  He won the nomination so its his choice.  This may freak out those of us who have come to believe our internet opinions are all important and all powerful, but he has a good chance of being the most powerful person in the world so I figure he has earned the chance to pick who he thinks best fits his vision of the future.

by Xris 2008-08-18 06:06PM | 0 recs
Re: Doesn't make sense....

You actually got me to laugh at your doomsday talk.

:: chuckles::

by spacemanspiff 2008-08-18 06:15PM | 0 recs
Re: Doesn't make sense....

I would.

by handsomegent 2008-08-18 07:26PM | 0 recs
Re: Taylor Marsh

Yes, Biden is very logical:

Obama can run his commercial about McCain being in DC since the 80's, and how Biden beats that by a couple of decades.

Obama can run on his opposition to the war, and talk about how Biden voted for it.

Sure.

by Jerome Armstrong 2008-08-18 07:48PM | 0 recs
Re: Taylor Marsh

The "change" argument of McCain being there for so long isn't really a winner anyway, is it? What is more important is pointing out how much McCain has sold himself out, and Biden is pitch-perfect for that. How many people in Washington can count themselves as familiar enough with McCain to truly call him a putz? They can jump on Obama when he criticizes McCain because of his inexperience, but they don't have that with Biden.

That said, I sure wish it was Clinton instead.

by vcalzone 2008-08-18 07:59PM | 0 recs
personally i like Clark, but to your point

the moment Obama chooses Hillary, 1) the Iraq vote problem will still exist and 2) how are they going to explain away McCain's commercial showing Hillary talk about how she and McCain are ready to be CINC, but not the Democratic nominee?  

by highgrade 2008-08-18 08:35PM | 0 recs
Substitute the word Biden with Clinton

It's little saving grace that Clinton's only been in peoples' minds since 1992.

by iohs2008 2008-08-18 08:55PM | 0 recs
Jerome, darling, isn't that the case against Hill?

what you just said is correct, only it applies to your Gal as well.

by Al Rodgers 2008-08-18 09:05PM | 0 recs
Re: Jerome, d

She's not my gal. Anyway, I think the 'change' mantle with her as a woman resonates.

by Jerome Armstrong 2008-08-18 09:14PM | 0 recs
Re: Taylor Marsh

Ive taken a breather from the primary wars but have kept up and had time to reflect on how things went down and what would be good for the way forward.

Im convinced no matter who Obama picks the media is going to both gush over the pick and eviscerate him for the pick.

Lets face facts.  The media has picked McCain to be the 2008 version of GWB in that what he says will not get scrutinized because 'hes not a detail guy' and 'hes off the cuff' and 'he was a POW', etc., etc.  Not that the media will let McCain off the hook completely, but McCain will get a free ride throughout.

This election is about vetting Obama and nothing else.  And its more fun for the media to praise and destroy Obama at the same time.

This is just what I believe.

So as far as Obama's VP pick, it doesnt matter.

However, I have had some time to soften my position on Hillary and could almost bring myself around to her being a really solid plus as VP.  But.....

What people keep forgetting is the baggage of Bill.  If Hillary was married to an unknown, her as VP would have been a done deal forever ago.  But you simply can not have Bill and Hillary, the team, as your VP.  Bill simply is not capable of not taking the lead.

Obama has said one thing consistently about his campaign and style - no drama.  He gets crucified for this when he doesnt attack or doesnt get crazy.  Hes too cool.  Too methodical.  Too detached.  Whatever.

But the Clintons THRIVE on drama.  It is in their DNA as political animals.  I do not mean this as a detraction, per se, but Obama is the anti-Clinton in many ways.  The Clintons love to rumble, love to mix it up, love the fray.

But again, you simply can not have Bill around.  Hillary on her own would be amazing.  Obama and her could work together and do great things.  But Bill simply can not be second fiddle.  I truthfully believe Bill would not be able to be 'controlled' to a necessary level to keep dramas out of an Obama administration.

It hurts me to say this because I still have an affinity for him, but Bill is Kryptonite for Obama.

by pattonbt 2008-08-18 09:48PM | 0 recs
Re: Taylor Marsh

Mojo for a reasoned argument. Sadly, alot of folks around here from both sides of the "primary wars" have yet to get the message that they are over, and continue to rain friendly fire on each other.

I disagree that Bill Clinton is some sort of unmanageable crazy man. He is a powerful personality, a force of nature even. But though forces of nature cannot be controlled, they can be harnessed for our benefit.

> Bill simply is not capable of not taking the lead.

So give him something to lead on and let him go at it. My thought is special envoy to Israel and Palestine. Bill came closer than any President since Carter to solving that Gordian Knot, and would no doubt since his whole effort into it. To him, it would be a second chance to add to his legacy. If he succeeds, Obama would deservedly get a huge share of the credit. If he fails, at least he was kept "out of the way" from your point of view, and Obama gets some credit for putting the issue front and center by sending such a high visibility envoy.

> Bill is Kryptonite for Obama.

I have never been a huge Obama fan - I still am not, although he has my vote this fall, and I hope to be pleasantly surprised. That's why when I see this argument from Obama backers, it just amazes me that I have more faith in Obama's leadership abilities than they do. Whatever else you can say about the guy, he runs a tight ship. He can handle having strong personalities around him, and he will assert his authority when needed.

Also, having sat in the Oval Office, Bill Clinton has an appreciation and respect for the presidency. Heck, he went out of his way not to undermine W on several occasions.

by itsthemedia 2008-08-19 09:01PM | 0 recs
Re: Taylor Marsh

Its not that I dont trust Obama or Bill in their management abilities, its that I dont trust the media (I know I shouldnt worry about that, but I do because it is a reality).

The media will make every Bill moment a circus.  I honestly believe it will be As The World Turns.  The discourse of the nation will be preset back to hateful dreck we've had for the last couple of decades (not that the media and right wont find something to crucify Obama on, thats what they do).  At least Obama sans Hillary and Bill can become his own president.

I do agree if Obama could get Bill to agree to some high profile 'world ambassador' type thing it would be perfectly suited for Bill.  But lets not fool ourselves that Bill doesnt run with a fast crowd that Obama doesnt seem to want to affiliate with.  The spotlight will be back on Bill, on sadly to say, he has never really been one to show self control.

Dont get me wrong, I have mucho respect for Bill's presidency (mostly because economically he got out of the way which is about the best thing a president can do when times are good), but he couldnt control himself when the spotlight and bullseye was directly on him, can he do so now?

It just makes me twitchy, because part of me wants to give him the benefit of the doubt, but he hasnt shown that I should (of course like it matters what I think in the big picture, but thems my thoughts).

by pattonbt 2008-08-19 11:44PM | 0 recs
Re: Taylor Marsh

> its that I dont trust the media

Kudos for finding the argument most likely to work with a person who chose "itsthemedia" for a screen name. :-P

But you are right, the media does hate Bill, to a degree that is truly pathological. They hate him more than they hate Hillary, and maybe even more than they hate Gore. I have to admit that is a point against picking Hillary for VP.

In fact, I am willing to bet if you could watch all his recent "controversial" remarks in context, and without the emotional tension of a closely contested primary, they would not seem all that controversial. The media set out to make them controversial, because that was their approved narrative, fulfilling their group judgement that Bill is a bad bad man.

I don't want to go back and beat a bunch of dead horses going all the way back to January, but one very recent example is the excerpts they played of him seeming to be angry at Obama for making him out as a racist. If you watch the actual interview, Bill explicitly says he is not upset with Obama or the campaign, and that he does not think they did anything wrong at all. He is seething with resentment toward the news media for making him out to be a racist, and trying very hard to hold back, because he knows they will twist whatever he says. And they did.

We agree on the point that if Hillary is chosen, Bill is going to have to hide someplace with no electricity at least until November. I just happen to think that the mainstream media is about 60% to blame for that situation. Another 20% of the blame goes on progressive and new media stars like EJ Dionne and Josh Marshall and Kos, who have sat by and said very little as one big Dem after another has been trashed over the past 2 decades. I'll tag Bill's inability to keep his mouth shut for 20% of the blame, but keep in mind, many a Republican with a much bigger foot-in-mouth reflex than Bill's has been protected by the media, and lionized. Case in point, John McCain.

by itsthemedia 2008-08-20 08:34PM | 0 recs
Re: McCain:Aug 29th for his VP; Obama within 96 ho

McCain will pick the GOP congressman.  Obama would be smart to pick Hillary but I think its going to be Bayh.

by nzubechukwu 2008-08-18 05:19PM | 0 recs
Something else about August 29th.

The 29th is John McCain's birthday, which as we all know is also the day Hurricane Katrina laid waste to a chunk of human history. McCain, of course, will be celebrating it just as he did when Katrina hit. With cake and a photo op.

If Obama is smart, he'll be looking for a way to kill McCain's momentum before it starts. Come up with something to commemorate Katrina and do it BIG. Get some New Orleans residents in front of the camera to talk about the rebuilding effort and the continued need for help. If he does this, it's harder for McCain to dominate coverage like he's hoping to do. Without a jumpstart, they will have trouble keeping any sort of focus on their convention.

Is this exploitative? Sure, and that sucks. But honestly, what should we be thinking about that day, McCain turning 73 years old or how New Orleans STILL needs help?

by vcalzone 2008-08-18 05:24PM | 0 recs
Re: Something else about August 29th.

Excuse me, I mean 72.

by vcalzone 2008-08-18 05:25PM | 0 recs
Re: McCain:Aug 29th for his VP;

Politico has this quote from a McCain staffer that they'll "own the weekend." Maybe it's me, but on weekends in early fall, my family is enjoying the outdoors. We certainly wouldn't be glued to the tv, seeing McCain and his vp.

BTW, the Politico article also said that McCain is "building a crowd" of 10,000.  Is it really that hard for them to get 10,000 folks to see McCain?

by politicsmatters 2008-08-18 05:33PM | 0 recs
Re: McCain:Aug 29th for his VP;

Not just early fall weekend, LABOR DAY WEEKEND.

by vcalzone 2008-08-18 05:35PM | 0 recs
Re: McCain:Aug 29th for his VP;

Republicans did a fine job ensuring that they'd not get any bump during their convention. Start it off on Labor day, end it on NFL opening night. That's whatcha get for trying to play hardball with the scheduling.

by vcalzone 2008-08-18 05:37PM | 0 recs
Re: McCain:Aug 29th for his VP;

It's also Giants v. Redskins, which is a huge opening night draw.  In fact, the only thing bigger would have been Giants v. Cowboys.  

by Eric11 2008-08-18 06:37PM | 0 recs
Re: McCain:Aug 29th for his VP;

Good point!  Who the hell is watching news coverage on Labor Day weekend?

by politicsmatters 2008-08-18 05:47PM | 0 recs
Re: McCain:Aug 29th for his VP;

They started builing that 10k crowd just after the Battle of Hastings.  Such is the enthusiasm gap.

by fogiv 2008-08-18 06:30PM | 0 recs
Some Republican guy from Ohio

Bob Ney!

by bschak 2008-08-18 05:36PM | 0 recs
Re: Some Republican guy from Ohio

He's available too!

by Jerome Armstrong 2008-08-18 07:48PM | 0 recs
Re: McCain:Aug 29th for his VP; Obama within 96 ho

If obama is smart he will choose Hillary Clinton.  Hillary is the only universal VP candidate that covers all of the bases of Obama's weaknesses. She is also key to secure the traditional demographics    of females, Latinos, and blue-collar workers.   Although Obama has picked up some momentum in this area ever since the primaries....it is better to be safe than sorry.

It is gonna be quite a task to make Indiana a blue state.    Sure Bayh may be able to make McCain sweat a little in Indiana and Ohio.   But Indiana/Ohio are  states that have been red for years now....and Obama didn't do so well there in the primaries.    

Joe Biden is a good guy and may help Obama solidify the foreign policy credentials.  However, is Biden recognized in the areas West of the Mississpi River?   I don't think so.   Also the state of Delaware is a LOCK for Obama.    So adding Biden doesn't help especially with the foot in mouth tendencies.

As far as McCain is concerned.   Beyond the political junkies like us who post on blogs regulary....the perception is that McCain is a maverick and "friendly" towards Democrats/Independents. It should also be noted that the religious right is gonna vote for the GOP.   Ain't nothing we can do about that.  

So the question is who will be McCain's VP?    Will McCain pander to scorned Hillary supporter by picking a pro-choice VP or worse a female such as Sarah Palin or Carly Fiorina.   Will McCain pick Lieberman(a former Democrat VP candidate).

Will McCain pick Romney? Most of us can see through Romney very cleary and I recognize him as a neo-con true to the bone.    However, Romney did win the Governorship in the state of Massachusetts.  I am VERY curious to know how he did that.   That factoid may be use for their advantage as a perception that Romney is also a independent mind.  May very well appeal to Indpen

by newmexicodem 2008-08-18 05:53PM | 0 recs
A female?

I really can't see McCain picking a woman. He likes to say he would, but underneath the surface, he seems to be a classic misogynist. He'll keep women on as advisors, but I don't see him pulling one in in such a serious leadership position.

by vcalzone 2008-08-18 05:57PM | 0 recs
Re: A female?

Yeah, McCain seems to have a fundamental lack of respect for women.

by ArkansasLib 2008-08-18 06:22PM | 0 recs
Re: A female?

If a woman is picked it could only be Sarah Palin of Alaska. Not going to happen because of Alaska problems with the Republican party and that she has little experience.

It will not be Ridge, Lieberman or any pro-choice candidate.

It's down to two:

Pawlenty or Romney

It will be Pawlenty

by oliver99 2008-08-18 06:49PM | 0 recs
Re: A female?

I think Pawlenty too, because... The Republicans have not won in the MN presidential race in gods on forever (we didn't even vote for Regan in the '84 bitch slap). Pawlenty  is their only shot at doing so, and I think they want a symbolic win in the heat of the Midwest, and I think whoever it is will have strong Midwest ties.. OH or MN, Pawlnty has some national exposure, and is a pretty boy. he also has broke with traditional Republicans on some minor issues (drug reimportation) so bolsters the faux maverick theme.

Pawlenty and Biden.

by notedgeways 2008-08-18 07:28PM | 0 recs
Re: A female?

Yeah, but he's really desperate to get that PUMA vote....

by LordMike 2008-08-18 07:21PM | 0 recs
Re: A female?

Surely he could replace their ten votes somehow.

by PSUdan 2008-08-19 08:02AM | 0 recs
Re: McCain:Aug 29th for his VP; Obama within 96 ho

so let me make sure I follow you here.  Republican values voters are sheep who will always vote Republican so McCain is guaranteed to get all of their votes regardless of who picks as VP or campaigns.  Conversely, Democratic voters require a specific VP type or they will ignore their history of voting preference and personal values in order to stick to their party?

by Xris 2008-08-18 06:09PM | 0 recs
Re: McCain:Aug 29th for his VP; Obama within 96 ho

Romney won as a no-name in an election where the Dems ran a dead horse.  The State Dems have corruption issues (or had, Deval Patrick is a Godsend), and this came after a series of pretty serious Democratic scandals.  At the time, Romney was known for successfully pulling off the SLC Olympics, and not much else - he ran as a moderate and people didn't have reason to believe otherwise at the time.

By the end of his term, he was widely reviled and was a lame duck for years due to the large Democratic supermajority in the General Court and Senate.  The running joke in State House circles was that Romney's sole purpose was to validate the General Court's parking stickers; GC passes a bill, Romney vetoes it, GC overrides veto, Romney shrugs.

by auronrenouille 2008-08-18 06:37PM | 0 recs
Portman would be a great pick

and makes the most sense.  He wouldn't anger the base, or any obvious fragment of it.  He's the right age, photogenic, and has good cred on mainstream economics--an area where McCain needs help.  50 bonus points--he's from Ohio, the most important state in this election.

He has no obvious burdens such as Mormon, gay or Democrat.  Palin is ridiculous because of lack of experience, newborn with Down's and little scandal. Whitman and Fiorina way too far out of the box.  Ridge is pro-life; Cantor is Jewish.  Thune and Pawlenty are the other safe choices.  Thune, I think, would be better in a debate and in TV in general.

Most likely: 1. Portman; 2. Thune; 3. Pawlenty

by Thaddeus 2008-08-18 05:58PM | 0 recs
Re: Portman would be a great pick

And all across the nation, people would say "Who?"

by politicsmatters 2008-08-18 06:06PM | 0 recs
Re: Portman would be a great pick

To which we answer, "Bush, Jr".

by vcalzone 2008-08-18 06:11PM | 0 recs
Re: Portman would be a great pick

"Remember the policies of the Bush administration? The ones that sent our economy into a tailspin? Guess who was instrumental in coming up with those!"

by vcalzone 2008-08-18 06:13PM | 0 recs
Re: Portman would be a great pick

Yea, that's why I don't see Portman. They must see that... who's the one that ran in 2000, Kaisch?

by Jerome Armstrong 2008-08-18 07:52PM | 0 recs
Re: McCain:Aug 29th for his VP; Obama within 96 ho

Clinton?  Really?  And Taylor Marsh?

Are you going to let this go after Obama picks his VP?  Because it's getting old.

Obama's campaign has hinted in numerous ways that Clinton is not under present consideration.  Clinton has been ruled out due to Bill's bad dealings and worse remarks.  The concept is deader than the dinosaurs.  Nothing short of quitting the campaign will bring back the 20 or so honest-to-God PUMAs that are still howling, and Obama has other goals with his VP than simply making bitter bloggers happy.  I'm glad to see Clinton campaigning for Obama, but she's not going to be VP.

by auronrenouille 2008-08-18 06:40PM | 0 recs
Re: McCain:Aug 29th for his VP; Obama within 96 ho

Oh yes 20 PUMAS in a country of 310 million.

by handsomegent 2008-08-18 07:30PM | 0 recs
Re: McCain:Aug 29th for his VP; Obama within 96 ho

Oh, don't worry, I just throw her name out once in a while to see the haters emerge out of the woodwork...

by Jerome Armstrong 2008-08-18 08:27PM | 0 recs
Re: McCain:Aug 29th for his VP; Obama within 96 ho

Trying to get some of that primary traffic back to the site?

by Tatan 2008-08-18 09:05PM | 0 recs
Re: McCain:Aug 29th for his VP; Obama within 96 ho

Pure speculation: he announces Clark tomorrow at VFW.

by desmoulins 2008-08-18 06:41PM | 0 recs
How about this for drama...

My only hope scenario:  Wednesday night after the thunderous cheer for Bill's address to the convention subsides, Obama makes a shocking move on stage and announces that to unite the party what better way to continue with the glory days of the 90's than to have another Clinton in the White House.  Then HRC comes from the wings and the place goes nuts. The convention nominates her by acclamation and that's the end of that.

by handsomegent 2008-08-18 06:43PM | 0 recs
Re: How about this for drama...

Like I suggested awhile back. WWE style. Start blasting her campaign song and have her appear onstage backed by fireworks.

by vcalzone 2008-08-18 06:46PM | 0 recs
Re: McCain:Aug 29th for his VP; Obama within 96 ho

Also keep in mind that although the VP position is the most prestigious and recognizable position.  Obama will eventually need to pick a complete CABINET.   The VP position is a job that is meant only to replace the Pres. in case of an emergency and to be the eventual heir apparent to run for President once the term limits are exhausted for the top of the ticket.    Practically every VP has campaigned for President in the past and usually they are crowned as the nominee without hesitant. (see Gore, GHBush, etc...)

That means there are open-slots for more job intensive positions of Secretary of State, Secretary of Defense, and Attorney General to name a few.    

I think Biden would make a great Secretary of State.   I also think Edwards(despite his shortcomings recently) is a godsend for the AG spot.   Secretary of Defense is hopefully suited for Wesley Clark and/or Jim Webb.

by newmexicodem 2008-08-18 06:51PM | 0 recs
CLINTON@@!!!

Please@! Pick Clinton so that I can feel excited about all this again.

 BTW-has anyone else noticed that Obama is only ahead by 8 in NY (poll out today)???  And 10 in NJ.... To that, I am JUST SAYING.

:)

by easyE 2008-08-18 06:57PM | 0 recs
Re: McCain:Aug 29th for his VP; Obama within 96

Why is Palin a yikes? Sure she's a looker, but this ain't a beauty contest and she, like the rest of the Alaskan GOP, has serious ethics problems.  

by LionelEHutz 2008-08-18 07:14PM | 0 recs
Re: McCain:Aug 29th for his VP; Obama within 96

I follow AK pretty closely, the scandal of Palin isn't really.

Yea, a looker. I do think that counts. It would fire up the GOP like nothing else.

by Jerome Armstrong 2008-08-18 07:55PM | 0 recs
Kaine and abortion

Kaine would undercut the abortion issue--a key to this election is increase turnout among women, a problem for Obama.  That may be the only way to win.

Hillary would fix that.  Will she be selected?
No.  And all those PUMAs will wonder when the next Supreme Court vacancy comes up.

by esconded 2008-08-18 07:15PM | 0 recs
Re: Kaine and abortion

He may be anti-abortion in his personal life, but he is pro Roe v. Wade. Same as John Kerry.

Hillary might have had a chance if she didn't smear Obama so much during the primaries, and if Bill actually showed some enthusiasm for the ticket.

by existenz 2008-08-18 07:28PM | 0 recs
And all those PUMAs?

WASHINGTON, D.C. -- More than 250 diehard Hillary supporters were scheduled to meet this weekend at the Marriott Wardman Hotel here to plan their convention strategy. The group's online spokesperson said that the meeting, "PUMA Conference 2008," was "closed to media of any kind."...

I roamed the halls of the Marriott Wardman Hotel Saturday looking for the PUMA Conference, doing my best Michael Moore "Roger and Me" impersonation. "No PUMA conference is registered here," they told me at the front desk. They allegedly told a Hearst reporter the same thing a day earlier.

Do PUMAs really exist anywhere but online?

by Glaurung 2008-08-18 07:47PM | 0 recs
Sarah Palin isn't so "yikes" anymore

Sarah Palin is currently under investigation for a corruption scandal. Not exactly the best pick for VP. I used to be scared of her until I actually thought about it some more. Is a first term Alaska gov. really ready to be in line for the presidency?

The same goes for Meg Whitman. We're at war, she has zero experience in government.

McCain is 72, he might not finish a full term, so his VP pick had better be someone credible.

by existenz 2008-08-18 07:27PM | 0 recs
"Senator. GROW UP!"

For those who missed Countdown tonight.....

WARNING: Not for McPumas and McTrolls!

by Glaurung 2008-08-18 07:37PM | 0 recs
RE: Obama within 96 hours

There is one other person within the Democratic party who has Obama's "rock star" qaulity, who has consistently argued for the need to change all the wrongheaded policies of the bush administration, who opposed the war from the beginning, who would "wow" the base and is already proven to have the support of the majority of the American public for President, and whose home state borders the states where Obama will be at the time he supposedly will announce his choice as VP.  And, this guy's already been vetted.

by Elmo Buzz 2008-08-18 08:09PM | 0 recs
Re: RE: Obama within 96 hours

Um... you mighta been too oblique or I might be too dense. Who?

by vcalzone 2008-08-18 08:18PM | 0 recs
Re: RE: Obama within 96 hours

Gore

by davisb 2008-08-18 08:41PM | 0 recs
Re: Veepers, Creepers!

I can't wait until we switch from 2 dozen "who will be the Veep?" diaries per day to my next highly rec'd and mojo'd category:

"Oh NOES! Obama picked the wrong Veep and now his sinking ship is on the wrongest course of any in the history of American Politics!"

NON-FUNCTIONING NON-POLL
Will the switch be

Tuesday?

Wednesday?

Why not start now?

by QTG 2008-08-18 08:16PM | 0 recs
Re: Veepers, Creepers!

Yup yup! But it wouldn't be the internet if people weren't whining.

by vcalzone 2008-08-18 08:19PM | 0 recs
Last chance to predict
If it's Hillary, McCain picks Ridge.  The right won't protest b/c they hate the Clintons.
If it's a boring white guy (please not Biden), he'll be bold and pick a woman - Whitman, Carly, or Hutchison.
I have to admit I wasn't too keen on Kaine when the trial balloon went up, and I think HRC is a better choice than all of the rest and they each have a strike commenters here attack her with (voted for the war, etc.), but if it's not her, I'd rather see Obama reinforce his message with Kaine.  The facts are he's not 100% pro-choice - McCain wouldn't counter Kaine with Ridge (who I think is his strongest choice as he goes straight for Obama's weakness in OH, PA, and MI) as some on the right might take a long, hard look at supporting our ticket.
by alamedadem 2008-08-18 09:14PM | 0 recs

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