Woof!

The AP breaks some huge news:

From George Washington's foxhound "Drunkard" to George W. Bush's terriers "Barney" and "Miss Beazley," pets are a longtime presidential tradition for which the presumed Republican nominee seems well prepared, with more than a dozen.

The apparent Democratic nominee Barack Obama, on the other hand, doesn't have a pet at home.

The pet-owning public seems to have noticed the difference.

An AP-Yahoo! News poll found that pet owners favor McCain over Obama 42 percent to 37 percent, with dog owners particularly in McCain's corner.

"I think a person who owns a pet is a more compassionate person -- caring, giving, trustworthy. I like pet owners," said Janet Taylor of Plymouth, Mass.

Bleeding Heartland goes to the trouble of actually breaking down this ridiculousness.

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Tags: Election 08 (all tags)

Comments

53 Comments

Re: Woof!

This is the worst story I have read all year.

There is silliness in the media, and now this.

I wonder which MSM tv-outlet will carry this as a story of substance first?

by DemsLandslide2008 2008-07-08 03:11PM | 0 recs
usually I don't even bother

writing about crappy MSM analysis of polling, because I figure the professionals like Mark Blumenthal do enough of that on their blogs.

But I couldn't let this one pass. It truly was one of the worst articles I have read in a long time.

by desmoinesdem 2008-07-08 03:49PM | 0 recs
Re: usually I don't even bother

One of the diarists at my site wrote about it.  The two biggest newspapers in our state used it on their website.

If it appears in the paper tomorrow...

by fbihop 2008-07-08 04:54PM | 0 recs
I want a beer with my dog

American dumb press and dumber voters: participating in the process since the first election of George Washington.

What you do about it?  Might as well sit back and have a beer

by dcrolg 2008-07-09 06:03AM | 0 recs
Re: Woof!

Zogby polled ALL 50 STATES, with GREAT results for Obama. Check out the details here.

by LeftistAddiction 2008-07-08 03:14PM | 0 recs
Re: Woof!
  1. It's Zogby.
  2. See 1
by fbihop 2008-07-08 04:54PM | 0 recs
Re: Woof!

Utter sickitudeness. What tripe the MSM serves in the place of real news.

by Hollede 2008-07-08 03:16PM | 0 recs
Re: Woof!

Thank god the AP is on top of this issue!

(Don't worry, Josh, you know it will get a lot worse before it's all over!)

by skohayes 2008-07-08 03:17PM | 0 recs
come on, MyDD readers

I know you can think of more things wrong with the AP "analysis" than I did in my post at Bleeding Heartland.

I only wrote down five potential confounding variables, and there must be a lot more than that.

by desmoinesdem 2008-07-08 03:32PM | 0 recs
Re: come on, MyDD readers

The AP article itself brought up confounding variables such as marriage status and race...

The population breakdown of who has pets and who doesn't also may be a factor.

For example, the poll found 47 percent of whites own dogs, compared with just 24 percent of blacks. Whites tend to favor McCain, while blacks overwhelmingly favor Obama.

The article doesn't mention that due to the size of the margin of error (2.9) for the subgroup of pet owners, the McCain/Obama contest for this group is actually in heat - er, I mean, in a dead heat.

by Rob in Vermont 2008-07-08 05:13PM | 0 recs
I saw the point on race

so didn't include that as one of the five potential confounding variables not mentioned by AP.

However, my eye skipped over the point on marital status. I have corrected my original post.

by desmoinesdem 2008-07-08 06:05PM | 0 recs
I would agree with you

if Obama actively mistreated dogs. I know that Romney story went viral in the animal-loving world.

However, I don't know any animal lovers who would vote against someone because he does not own a pet. That is very different from being cruel to a dog.

by desmoinesdem 2008-07-09 04:38AM | 0 recs
Re: Woof!

And Border Collies didn't even make the short list!

by Shaun Appleby 2008-07-08 03:36PM | 0 recs
supposedly Obama has promised his daughters

a dog after the election.

So I'm sure we'll hear a bunch of armchair psychologists probe the deeper meaning of whatever breed he selects.

by desmoinesdem 2008-07-08 03:43PM | 0 recs
Re: supposedly Obama has promised his daughters

No doubt.  The beauty of the Border Collie breed is that they are so idiosyncratic and active that the owner gets a pass and the dog gets the analysis.  My Border Collie thinks my pick-up truck is an animal that requires herding, for example, and has insisted on this point for so long that she's almost got me convinced.  She escorts me up and down the driveway every time, dancing around the truck and bluffing it into stopping at the bottom of the road by running around in front and staring into the headlights.  It's hilarious.

by Shaun Appleby 2008-07-08 03:51PM | 0 recs
Re: supposedly Obama has promised his daughters

I have a rescue Blue Heeler and your description fits her perfectly.  I they may be even a tad more obsessive though; as small dogs bred to herd cows I suppose need to be.  

by mady 2008-07-08 04:49PM | 0 recs
Re: supposedly Obama has promised his daughters

Lucky you.  They are extremely popular dogs here in Australia.  And absolutely focussed on whatever mayhem they are engaged in at the moment.

by Shaun Appleby 2008-07-08 04:53PM | 0 recs
Re: supposedly Obama has promised his daughters

Well, lacking large animals to herd she has made her life's work trying to get my 4 cats into one place at one time.  Keeps her busy.  Keeps them pissed.  

by mady 2008-07-08 04:57PM | 0 recs
Re: supposedly Obama has promised his daughters

Herding cats, eh?  You may be on to something there.

by Shaun Appleby 2008-07-08 05:24PM | 0 recs
Re: supposedly Obama has promised his daughters

or that he is pandering to the pet vote by getting a dog. That dog-gone flip flopper.

by Hollede 2008-07-08 04:14PM | 0 recs
Re: Woof!
VIVA EL IBUPROFEN.
Oy vey
by tellinya 2008-07-08 03:43PM | 0 recs
how about Meow....

I want a president who respects Felines,  after 8 years of the cat hating bush, I want a President to restore the legacy of the White House feline.

Maybe Bill and Chelsea can run the vetting committee?

On a somewhat serious note, I am suprised the AP for being as good as they are didn't quote Obama's ultimatum that win or lose, he promised his daughters a dog.

by DemsLandslide2008 2008-07-08 03:43PM | 0 recs
Re: how about Meow....

Ewww cats! Me no likey!

by TimO 2008-07-08 05:25PM | 0 recs
Re: Woof!

Well, chalk up "Pet owners" as another key demographic overlooked in the exit polling throughout the Primary season. Also included in that list are "Riding-lawn-mower users," "Men who wear mismatched socks," and "1%-milk drinkers."

by The Breach 2008-07-08 03:48PM | 0 recs
Re: Woof!

people drink 1% milk?  really?

by DawnG 2008-07-08 04:12PM | 0 recs
Re: Woof!

Yeah. Centrists, Moderates, they love its' inherent compromise.

by The Breach 2008-07-09 06:37AM | 0 recs
Re: Woof!

This "story" barks.

by InigoMontoya 2008-07-08 04:03PM | 0 recs
another reason to pick Schweitzer

schweitzer2

by mboehm 2008-07-08 04:11PM | 0 recs
Re: another reason to pick Schweitzer

Now that's a dog.

by Shaun Appleby 2008-07-08 04:13PM | 0 recs
but he really needs a working dog

in Montana. That dog would go crazy in a Washington, DC townhome.

by desmoinesdem 2008-07-08 04:20PM | 0 recs
Re: but he really needs a working dog

You're not wrong.  My dog is a good excuse for keeping away from the 'big smoke.'  She needs a two kilometre run ever day or goes nuts.

by Shaun Appleby 2008-07-08 04:41PM | 0 recs
I remember people...

...in the news mocking Clinton for having a cat.  Like that was the most unpatriotic thing EVER.

by DawnG 2008-07-08 04:12PM | 0 recs
not unpatriotic

just not "masculine" enough.

by desmoinesdem 2008-07-08 04:21PM | 0 recs
Re: not unpatriotic

And cats always seem to be operating in deep cover.

by Shaun Appleby 2008-07-08 04:43PM | 0 recs
Re: not unpatriotic

Cats just always seemed so "Soviet" to me.

by DemsLandslide2008 2008-07-08 04:57PM | 0 recs
Re: not unpatriotic

and they have that misogynistic nick-name.

by QTG 2008-07-08 04:58PM | 0 recs
You want HUGE NEWS???

Iraq insists on withdrawal timetable

Could we possibly stop rehashing GOP talking points against Obama and silly polls and have a front page diary about THIS, which amounts to Obama winning the Iraq issue?

by Beren 2008-07-08 04:13PM | 0 recs
Re: Woof!

I think this is a valid issue.  As a pet owner, I am kind of disappointed that Obama doesn't have an animal.

Tell him to get a cat - they are easy to take care of and are completely awesome.

by agpc 2008-07-08 04:21PM | 0 recs
Re: Woof!

His oldest daughter is allergic to them I think.

by dead goat 2008-07-08 04:35PM | 0 recs
Re: Woof!

Yes I heard the same thing. Finally an issue we can all get behind. Obama is antidog.

by Politicalslave 2008-07-08 04:44PM | 0 recs
Re: Woof!

Hey I just saw an interview with Obama, Michelle and his daughters.  They said after the campaign is over, the daughters have been promised a dog.  Looks like the story is completely off base.

Would have preferred a cat, but I am glad they will be bringing an animal into the White House.

by agpc 2008-07-08 05:02PM | 0 recs
Re: Woof!

Remember, Rupert Murdoch is on the Associated Press board of directors.  That should tell you all you need to know.

by calwoman 2008-07-08 05:10PM | 0 recs
I happen to be a pet owner but . . .

why would I care if someone else decides to own a pet or not? I see it as responsible to not own a pet if you know you are unable to care for it properly.

I think too many people feel the need to have a pet to somehow "complete" them and have no concept of the responsibility.

Same with kids.

In short, what a stupid fucking poll!

by TimO 2008-07-08 05:24PM | 0 recs
Re: Woof!

If people are voting based whether or not a candidate has a dog or not, we are in serious trouble.

by chewie5656 2008-07-08 06:24PM | 0 recs
Re: Woof!

"I think a person who owns a pet is a more compassionate person -- caring, giving, trustworthy. I like pet owners," said Janet Taylor of Plymouth, Mass.

This might be the dumbest quote I have ever read in one of the dumbest political articles ever.  George Bush has 2 dogs and clearly does not have a compassionate bone in his body.

Meanwhile Obama, who has no pets, has spent his career trying to help people going back to his days as a community organizer.

Maybe someone should point that out to Janet Taylor.

by jmnyc 2008-07-08 07:06PM | 0 recs
Michael Vick

He owned quite a few dogs, and I don't think anyone would consider him to be compassionate.

It is really disgusting how our media is doing anything and everything in its power to avoid talking about real issues.

by monkeyga 2008-07-08 07:13PM | 0 recs
Re: Michael Vick

Very true.

by jmnyc 2008-07-08 07:39PM | 0 recs
Re: Woof!


Nobody ever went broke underestimating the intelligence of the American public.

H L Mencken

by Shaun Appleby 2008-07-08 07:41PM | 0 recs
After the election

when Pres. Obama goes to get his daughters their dog, I hope he will adopt one from a shelter.

by GFORD 2008-07-08 09:08PM | 0 recs
even better, an adult dog

We adopted a nice, adult dog four years ago. He is so good with kids, and we didn't have to worry about house-training or chewing up everything.

We knew we wouldn't have time to train a puppy properly, and if we don't have time, the Obamas sure aren't going to have the time.

by desmoinesdem 2008-07-09 04:42AM | 0 recs
Selection Bias

Pet owners have been more Republican than the general public at large. This is because married couple with childrens tend to have more pets than the general public and also tend to vote more Republican than the general public, too.

This is an example where correlation does not equal causation.

by Zzyzzy 2008-07-08 09:24PM | 0 recs
Mark Blumenthal's piece

on the poll goes over this problem as well:

http://www.pollster.com/blogs/a_dog_of_a _poll_story.php

by desmoinesdem 2008-07-09 04:47AM | 0 recs
Re: Woof!

Pet ownership is a very serious responsibility.  John McCain has no business owning 12 pets.  There is no way he and his family can give them the kind of quality time that each of them needs.  Why don't people point out the irresponsible aspect of being a high-powered senator with 12 pets?

I don't own a pet.  If I did, I suppose I'd be more likeable to those other pet owners out there, but I wonder how they'd feel if they found out that I was leaving my pet home alone for 10-12 hours a day because of my schedule?

by mtnspirit 2008-07-09 08:06AM | 0 recs

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