by Jonathan Singer, Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 05:12:26 PM EDT
NBC News' Chuck Todd is now reporting that Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton are meeting tonight at the Clinton home in Washington, DC tonight. Thoughts?
Tags: Barack Obama, Hillary Clinton (all tags)
If they pour you any tea from a Russian samover, CHECK IT WITH A GEIGER COUNTER before you drink!
I'm not saying there's any danger, mind you... Just exercise normal caution.
Amazing how it's the Inspired Ones so full of Hope and who want CHANGE who's first thought was that Clinton would poison Obama, huh?
But they want party unity, dontcha know? And do NOT criticize Obama in any way (which includes not even criticizing him but not praising him to high Heaven) because that means you're a troll and a McCain hack.
Geez, I am regularly called a troll, a DINO, a McCain hack, been told that I am going to vote for McCain, am a Republican, etc.
You can't stand being called Inspired Ones when Obama's whole campaign is about how inspiring he is?
Toughen up!
No, I don't.
I complain about how Obamans claim to be all about inspiration and hope and change and ending politics as usual and ending divisive, negative politics but then proving they themselves cannot change.
How a person treats another person, including me, is a reflection of them, not the person they're addressing.
Besides, it's totally irrational to take anything personally on a blog. But I will note the BS about the whole hope/change/unity thing.
Oh, okay, we'll just joke about Clinton poisoning Obama.
That's acceptable.
Hmmm...why?
Oh, i know, because it continues the Clinton-as-devil meme.
So much for change.
You're painting with an awfully broad brush. You're taking this comment, which indeed was tasteless (although, as usual, I find that the most tasteless part was that it wasn't funny) and applying that to be the attitude of all Obama supporters and, indeed, the candidate himself.
As such, I can just as easily call you a racist troll, because, hey, you're a Hillary supporter, and Larry Johnson's a Hillary supporter.
Do you get it? Stop starting troll feedback loops.
Feel free to point to where I call "all Obama supporters naive fools."
Since I didn't, would that be a lie, by any chance?
You accused me of lying and have yet to say what those lies are/were, despite my asking you to do so.
It's okay for you to characterize people based on their actions but it is lying and/or not okay if I do so????
More double standards.
I'm off to bed. Nighty-night.
I accused you of lying by saying that Obama supporters all support him because he makes them feel inspired. That is a lie.
But my problem isn't lying, it is that none of this is productive or dignified. And my problem with you is that you seemingly have no interest in any of those qualities.
You seem to think that "change" seems to mean "allowing yourself to be abused and not complaining about it" .
You still have your rec/rating rights even if you smash and bash indiscriminately everyone around you. Most Obama supporters in this site have long since lost them without explanation in one of those usual Jerome's purges against Obama supporters.
So, if you want to troll-rate or hide-rate that comment about poisoning, feel free to do so. Those of us who were inclined to do so are incapable of doing so because of your fellow Clinton supporter Jerome.
So don't complain about our incapacity to help maintain standards in this site, when you people deprived us of that capacity on purpose.
Juno,
This is not productive. You know none of us thinks anyone is perfect. We have to support someone though. There are a ton of things your candidate has done that can be perceived badly, but in a nuanced world we can still accept that candidate. The world is not black and white, but shades of grey.
When you say make glaring generalities and oversimplifications
I feel very frustrated because I value an honest and
polite discussion
therefore I request you dial down the rhetoric and try to assess all candidates logically.
thank you,
Alec
I haven't said anything about any of the candidates.
It's Obama supporters on this thread saying their first thought upon reading this was that Clinton would poison Obama (Yes, I know it was in jest).
I'm simply noting how odd such thoughts are for people who've supposedly been inspired to change and hope and all that stuff.
My rhetoric is just fine. The double standards are rather thick, though.
That's not what Obama's campaign is about - He talks about many issues - the war, security, education, environment, jobs, energy, veterans care, etc.
But I bet you know that already.
And I don't appreciate being referred to as an "Inspired One". You're being insulting and you need to stop.
No, I don't.
It's what he ran on, and I've heard plenty of his supporters talk about how inspiring he is.
"I want to gleefully talk about how inspired I am but don't call me inspired."
Huh?
I think it's perfect, frankly.
Okay, then keep being snarky and slinging epithets. Don't expect anyone to be nice to you though.
Ah, but I do. I expect people who want change to MAKE the change.
If you are saying you can't make the change so long as people are not nice, then you are saying Obama's main campaign theme was hooey.
Besides, I think Inspired Ones is a perfect epithet to use when people are behaving in a less-than-inspired manner.
I notice you don't have a problem with people joking about Clinton poisoning Obama. Interesting (scratches chin and makes curious thinking face).
I think Obama's entire campaign was based around trying to bring rational people of all sorts together by ignoring partisan, negative jerks.
And yet, you can't.
I wonder, is calling people jerks and idiots borne from inspiration??
Curious. don't see much change on the horizon.
I never said I had inspiration. You did. Look, if you have a problem with a few really hardcore Obama supporters, then feel free to go after them. But we are not all the same, and I would appreciate it if you would address the individual commenter and stop speaking as if we are all nitwits. I can't believe I keep having to say this sort of thing to you.
Yep, y'all disown the very stuff Obama ran on when someone has the gall to point out your hypocrisy.
I thought you were going to ignore me.
might mean baseless unsupported accusations, or it could mean wholly fabricated disparaging insinuations, or it could mean fictionalized character assassination or maybe vile crap dreamed up in a mad fit of angry pique.
Do you even know what a lie is?
Btw, I think it's a lie to say you want change and hope and inspiration and an end to negative, divisive partisan politics but then get on a blog and call people jerks and idiots and joke about Hillary Clinton poisoning Barack Obama.
I'm merely trying to hold Obama supporters to their own words. It's a tough task!
Pardon me for not seeing the positivity in joking about Clinton poisoning Obama.
That's positive stuff to Obama supporters???? Yikes.
so you think Don Imus was unfairly fired? personally I would not be surprised if the SS didn't show up at that jerks house to see why he would make such a stupid "joke"
I wasn't aware he made a joke. I was under the impression that he made a racist and ethnic slur.
Dude, this is like five days old! Live in the now!
Imus's remarks that he got fired for were not part of a joke. If they were, the joke was simply that he called a women's basketball team nappy-headed hos.
Meanwhile, I heard plenty of jokes just like the one above, and yet nobody died and riots didn't break out in the streets. Fancy that.
Feel free to point out to me how portraying Hillary Clinton as one who would poison Barack Obama as "inspiration" or evidence of bring change about and and end to negative, divisive politics.
Ain't me who's the liar.
...in the sense that Hillary wouldn't poison Obama. You'd have to be crazy to think that was anything but a tasteless joke, of course, but if you were crazy enough to think that it was anything but a tasteless joke, then you'd be justified in your belief that it was somehow a misogynistic racist underhanded attack on the greatest woman who ever lived only to have her destiny thwarted by a bunch of evil bloggers and left wing media types who lay awake at night plotting ways to strengthen the glass ceiling and keep women subjugated and disenfranchised, but are they ever wrong, because not even if Hillary calls for unity against the GOP in November will those who can see through the lies ever, ever, ever, vote for that evil man and his terrible coalition of chauvinistic pig army of Obomabatshit crazy worshipers who think they can get away with this.
Btw, do you consider joking about Clinton poisoning Obama to be partisan and negative?
I don't have a problem with people joking about Clinton poisoning Obama?
You can't stop, can you.
Well, it didn't provoke a rebuke from you, but Inspired Ones did.
Go figure.
You don't get it.
Obama is running on CHANGE. His supporters rallied around him saying they wanted CHANGE and an end of divisive and negative politics.
You are therefore held to a standard of being the leaders to MAKE THAT CHANGE.
Get it?
What others say or do is absolutely irrelevant.
Have you ever heard of a self-fulfilling prophecy? Or that famous Lewis Carroll quote, "Sentence first, verdict afterwards"?
Whether you have or not, the fact remains that you seem to have a preconceived opinion and ignore all evidence that doesn't fit your beliefs. Thus, for you, anything that one Obama supporter says represents the beliefs and attitudes of all Obama supporters--unless said supporter is being kind, patient, and magnanimous, in which case he or she is merely a rare exception. Do I have this about right?
You should have a problem with it. The Clinton supporters won't like to hear it, but my neighbors worry every day about his safety. And there is nothing you can say to change that. It's not something to play with.
It is realistic to worry about all of them; especially the ones in the Presidential arena. Our nation had had a tragic history in this area, and the safety of Presidents or Presidential candidates is nothing to joke about. And, if I may add, it is not an issue to make political points with either.
And I don't appreciate being referred to as an "Inspired One". You're being insulting and you need to stop.
I started this whole thing as a Hillary supporter, and initially changed at my brilliant wife's urging, but I have to say, I have been inspired.
So, hell yes, call me an Inspired One!
I bet that Hillary inspired you. It's a good feeling.
I wanted and donated to Edwards. I got Obama and I'm satisfied, but I don't necessarily buy the whole Kumbaya element.
I'm not saying they would poison Obama. Just, "Anything can happen" in June.
You know that most Obama supporters probably found that just as offensive.
Peace
There are some Clinton supporters who think that Unity means that Obama supporters have agreed to take abuse and crap from Clinton supporters. Not. If Clinton supporters want Obama supporters to lay off, they also have to lay off.
You're determined to post this after every single snide comment by an Obama supporter, right? And ignore all the gracious comments, of course.
Broken records aren't particularly convincing.
Juno, just a thought. Feel free to ignore it.
This comment is awesome but I found the previous one about "Inspired Ones" a bit insulting.
A lot of us who supported BO in the primaries do not think he walks on water or that we have some monopoly on hope or inspiration. By insulting all BO supporters when one poster makes a less-than-tasteful remark only adds to the dischord.
Anyway, just my thought. I appreciate your posts and I apologize if this one insults you. It is not my intention.
I noticed no one HR or TR'd that comment.
ah, the irony. I guess it is okay to think that Senator Clinton would off Obama.
nice
stay classy
cough, cough
I thought we weren't supposed to bash democrats anymore here.
or does that only apply to Obama?
it is okay to bash Hillary still on unfounded BS?
Good fucking god, do I have to answer for everyone who isn't me all day?
I'm so sorry that I didn't trollrate that post. I'm a hillary hater. Me and everyone else in this thread who didn't trollrate it.
Well, sorry, if the vast majority of Obama supporters like me hadn't been deprived of rec/rating privileges for supposedly violating rules by TRing assholes, perhaps some of us would have still been able to violate those rules some more and troll-rated that comment.
I notice you still have your rec/rating privileges, so don't get all weepy on me that we don't do (when we can't) what you don't do (though you can).
I think the original comment points to how difficult it is to be "humorous" about this and how easy it is to make inappropriate "jokes."
I totally understand why the poison insinuation pisses people off, even though it was an obvious attempt at humor. And I think it is appropriate to let the poster know that the comment was not appreciated.
It is the endless, "look how classy (Clinton or Obama) supporters are, NOT!" cycle we seem to be in that is starting to get tiresome.
Frankly, at this point, if you are an Obama supporter (which I am) I think you either need to say nice things about Clinton or just say nothing at all. She has conceded the race, sent out an awesome e-mail, and shutdown the "draft Hillary for VP" campaign.
Of course, I am absolutely living in a glass house here.
Again, no insults intended and I do apologize if my clumsy attempt to explain myself just causes more flames.
You still have your rec/rating privileges and you didn't HR/TR it either.
But you bash Obama supporters, most of which have had the rating privileges removed, for not doing what you didn't do either.
Bloody hypocrite.
nope. I didn't TR/HR
that comment came from an Obama supporter. I wanted folks to see it for what it was.
and I waiting to see who would TR/HR it. Took some time, but a couple of people did. However, it seemed that folks wanted to attack someone who got pissed about it instead and called it out.
stay classy.
I hope you understand those people who TRed/HRed it will now (according to the rules at least) lose rating/reccing privileges.
So you basically taunt the few remaining Obama supporters who retain rating privileges into losing them. If they don't TR/HR those comments, they don't want peace. If they do TR/HR them, they lose privileges hereafter. What a win-win situation for Juno and you and your ilk.
Stay classy indeed.
Is going to kill whitey. I can not tell you how many times over just the last two days I have seen Hillary supporter after Hillary supporter post this on various sites. They are all posting how the Democrats have lost their values by nominating a Muslim who stole the election from a real American.
There is a very vocal section of HRC supporters who are convinced that Michelle wants to kill all whitey and get revenge against white society. That Obama wants to give all our money to Africa because we stole it from them.
Have you gone around and troll rated all these people on all the various sites (including some that claim to be on the left)? You say that Obama can not be about change because some of his supporters are using old techniques. Under that same logic I could infer that the Clintons must be racist because some of her supporters have said they would never vote for a Black man.
I get it, you are angry, but there is still a whole lot of BHO hatred out there too, and it has grown exponentially in the last few days.
I am not holding you responsible for the actions of every HRC supporter, so please don't make generalizations about Obama supporters.
you won't see those types of comments here over and over and cheered on.
In fact, we know who posts those diaries and they are mocked or ignored by the majority of HRC supporters here.
I've wrote to the admins about those types of diaries here, have you?
I just expected better from some. whatever.
I have never written to the admins about any post. Nor have I written to them directly on any blog. I figure we are big kids and can work it out ourselves. I would rather have the readers and posters self censor.
The point of my post was to some of the more angry Clinton supporters here who have been upset about the comments. There have been vicious nasty attacks on both sides. Yes, I know that most HRC supporters don't think that about the Obamas, and I won't hold Hillary responsible for them.
So if someone makes a joke about HRC and BHO doing each other in, lighten up. At least these comments only have them attacking each other.
Then again, maybe we should have let them settle this Thunderdome style. Forget all the elections, just put the two of them in a cage and let them beat the sh*t out of each other. Maybe that can help end the anger.
Nono, switch drinks. And then engage in a discussion over the probability of the poison being in the second drink, Princess Bride style.
Hawkins: I've got it! I've got it. The pellet with the poison's in the vessel with the pestle, the chalice from the palace has the brew that is true, right?Griselda: Right. But there's been a change. They broke the chalice from the palace.
Hawkins: They broke the chalice from the palace?
Griselda: And replaced it with a flagon.
Hawkins: Flagon.
Griselda: With a figure of a dragon.
Hawkins: Flagon with a dragon.
Griselda: Right.
Hawkins: Did you put the pellet with the poison in the vessel with the pestle?
Griselda: No! The pellet with the poison's in the flagon with the dragon, the vessel with the pestle has the brew that is true!
Hawkins: The pellet with the poison's in the flagon with the dragon, the vessel with the pestle has the brew that is true.
Griselda: Just remember that.
I love Danny Kaye and somewhere have the You Tube of that scene. Is amazingly funny and appropriate to this hyperserious and silly discussion.
And how appropriate of Dumbo to have spotted the elephant in the room.
Dumbo, you are an idiot stupid person. We are trying to fucking unite this party and here you come along with this utterly stupid comment and you turn off people who we need to have their votes to win in November.
The fucking primary is OVER. Do you understand that you dumb fuck. It's over.
environment.
I mean, do you invite folks to your home that you do not respect? I mean, really. If I invite you into MY home, you ARE special.
But then, that's me. I would still take it easy, if I were Barack, however!
Take it easy how? The insinuation that something nefarious may happen is beyond the pale.
It won't stop. It will never stop. They hate her so much and have been so programmed to suspect every Clinton sneeze as some sort of devilish plot.
It's over, they won, but they still can't stop trying to destroy her good name by insinuating suspicion.
That said, I hope that Hillary and Obama (I did that alphabetically, by the way so don't accuse me of placing her ahead of him) can reach an accord that some of their supporters can't, and find a way to utilize the best trait of both of them to fight McCain the the fall. Personally, I want her as Senate Majority Leader, not some trophy VP slot.
What are they going to do in a few weeks when they can't focus on the hate anymore?
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Yo Man,
Dont let them get you down for just saying the truth.
david
Just as all Clinton supporters do not hate Obama nor are or were they all racists.
We know that all of you don't hate her. But we have to acknowledge that there are those who did and still do.
We know that all of you don't hate her. But we have to acknowledge that there are those who did and still do.
Refer to my comment in response to the belligerent poster and my history. The response to my comment are completely over the top.
I suppose given the raw nerves of many commenters, I can understand some sensitivity, but really? I make a statement implying that Hillary must have some respect for BO to have invited him over and the replies go batshit accusing me of Hillary-hate!
Again, I said Barack should be careful because since he was on her turf, it would have been embarrassing for him to get kicked out for being too accusatory or demanding in his dialogue as there were those already implying that they might vent their primary frustrations.
The fact that so many are so eager to accuse and berate is additional evidence of what the "real" problem is in our party right now - and it is NOT Barack or Hillary. It's us.
You can't possibly think anyone actually suspects it. It was a joke, and your reaction is similar to being outraged that a duck was allowed into a bar.
were you here a couple of weeks ago?
the RFK comment? My God....yes, they believed it.
worse over at dKos
that Clinton is going to poison Obama with pollonium-laced tea?
Good lord. If I were going to accuse her of actually wanting to kill Obama, I would use CIA or Blackwater cut-outs at the very least. Give me some credit.
I just wanted her to stop saying it. It scared me. Not HER but bringing up the idea of killing a candidate. I just wanted her to stop saying it. That said, I don't hate her. I think she's Al Gore in 2000. I think she worked her heart out and lost. By the end of her campaign, even I would have voted for her.
They let a duck in a BAR?!?!?! That's the second sign of the Apocalypse.
Now, if the Cubs win the World Series, we are really screwed.
It's ok, because the sky isn't going to fall until the first gay marriage takes place in California. At least that's what all the Baptists keep telling me.
Wish I were getting my bags packed to go to CA, but it's early yet, and well, he hasn't asked, and I won't bring it up ... heck, it took us 12 years to finally cohabitate. LOL
ILean, i am going to tell you what i told Dumbo above.
The fucking primary is fucking OVER. Do you fucking understand that you dumb fuck. OVER.
We are trying to unite the party here. Get people together and try to have everyone's vote to win in November. If 5% of Hillary supporters in PA or OH vote for McCain, we would lose those states. Do you fucking understand that you immature stupid fuck.
If you can't say something normal or nice, SHUT THE FUCK UP
warranted. Do you even look at that 'whole' comment or into the history of an individual's comments before inserting your foot in your mouth?
A question regarding what I meant by "take it easy" might have been in order, especially when it was clear I was stating that it would seem to me that Hillary would not invite someone into her home that she didn't respect. So then why would it be assumed that somehow I would be saying in the same statement that she had nefarious intentions?
When I said take it easy, I was simply implying that I hoped Barack would take it easy in the dialogue - not demand, not point fingers, etc. It would have been a shame to have cameras catching him being kicked out.
I didn't say he should "watch his back" or "not drink the water." Of course, the fact that you could take such a leap speaks to your derangement, not mine. You need to step away from the keyboard and go outside and get some fresh air. You have obviously become too entrenched in partisan warfare to be able to see the forest for the trees.
Also, given the tone and verbiage within your comment and several below, it is apparent that someone left the damn gate open!!!!
I know the answer to this!
Chelsea bought Hillary "Guitar Hero" for her XBox. They're totally jamming to Smoke on the Water right now.
C'mon, these are Presidential candidates - they've got the whole Rock Band package with extra downloaded tracks. Axelrod is on bass and McAuliffe is on drums.
Or maybe Rock Band, so everyone can get on an instrument. Barack on bass, Hillary on Guitar, and Bill keepin' it steady on the skins. Song choice: War Pigs by Black Sabbath, dedicated to John McCain.
His campaign plane sat loaded w/ press for 45 mins and then took off without him! What a media fake-out! They managed to send out a last minute blackberry SOS, though, that the candidate was missing!
Tricky Barack
The old "paintjob in the carwash" trick.
Speaking of which, I bet Hillary and Barack are playing Grand Theft Auto right now.
That's quality.
I don't know what I like better, Obama putting Lieberman in a corner or taking the media on the magic mystery flight.
There's always this:
This morning in Virginia's Appalachian mountains, 95-year-old Charles Edwards presented Barack Obama with a big maple stick that he had carved as a gift. Obama held it in his hand and shook it, smiling:
"I like it! And if members of Congress don't pass my health care bill, I'm ready. I'll whoop `em. I'll whoop `em. That's right. They'd better not mess with me. I'll have that stick."
The power of the "stick," of course, is whether a president can mobilize members of the public in large enough numbers to cause members of Congress that thought they wouldn't back his initiatives to suddenly turn around and support him....
Oh, wait.
Al Giordano - Ready to Whoop `Em on Day One The Field 5 Jun 08
I think it bodes well. No doubt there will be a bit of clearing the air, and some honest talk about how to accomodate Hillary's wishes after her accomplishments during the campaign.
I also think she'll find out she won't be VP, for myriad reasons. But certainly, she's earned something nice that she wants, and there will be a big recognition for her at the convention.
I'm also sure not only that Obama will pave the way for both Hillary and Bill to regain their reputation with African Americans, but it will also be on them to heal the rift with women.
There will be no more talk of sexism, mysogyny, nor of her claim to the popular vote.
I hope they have a nice dinner, and I also hope someone starts enforcing the rules against trashing Democrats on MyDD.
Forget that. I think there are some other sites that should have to do that first including the hate site over at dkos. Taking away markos credetials in denver would be a good start.
daivd
I haven't seen a single diary on the DKos rec list anywhere near as nasty as the trash that was routinely rec-listed here, nor were Hillary supporters on DKos ever deprived of rec rights for no valid reason as so many Obama supporters were here. Not to mention that unlike here, where non-primary but important and content-filled diaries were almost universally ignored in favor of anti-Obama hate screeds, non-primary diaries made the rec list regularly over there, as did a number of diaries by Hillary supporters.
Anybody from MyDD calling DKos a hate site ought to heed the famous advice about eyes, motes, and beams.
there are plenty of us (former Kossacks) in here who feel we have had different experiences and different perceptions than you have.
FORMER Kossacks. The Kos that most people here base their hatred off of hasn't existed for several months, but since they couldn't be bothered to check back, they simply assume that nothing has changed.
And I stand by what I said before: at its worst, the anti-Hillary sentiment there was no more virulent or universal than the anti-Obama hysteria was here. If anything, it was less so, because non-primary diaries were embraced there as places where both sides could find common cause, whereas here they were totally ignored in favor of "OMG HE FLIPPED HER OFF--WITH TWO FINGERS!".
These are professional politicians who are going to put party first. There are frayed feelings and desires on each side and both are empathetic and pragmatic people.
This is still a great sign though. I hope this leads to a very soon joint appearance with some good symbology and strategy (maybe a swing together through Florida, Ohio and Penn?).
I think we need some strong visuals of the two together (and maybe Bill thrown in as well or maybe side trips with Bill and Obama together). And not just one time, multiple times, that will really help us who arent so professional and pragmatic.
But honestly, at this point I dont care too much. Im already at the stage where I am confident things will work out and all we need is time and it will probably happen quicker than I hope.
and stop carping at each other. Obama and Hillary supporters.
This is a meeting Barack spoke to Hillary about - they agreed she would choose the time and the place. They have a lot to discuss - campaign staff, Saturday, the upcoming fund-raising meeting - and future campaigning.
This is a good thing.
It wasn't at her house. Another rouse to escape the press. A secret rendez-vous! A small cafe. A bottle of wine. Candles.....
hahaaa.
"we are outside her house, we can see all the shades shut, the downstair light is on, and something presumbably going on....wait....wait.. a dog just tok a crap on her lawn...there seems to be suds coming out the laundry door,.... presumably meaning that they are.... washing socks...more as it developes..."
If she is the veep now, he will never get the spotlight to himself. Give him some time.
and part of any deal should be Obama, to go on the Daily Kos, write a column that is highly positive and praising of the Clintons. Tell them to stop throwing names and rumors and bs scandals around. Second, tell every black pastor to never EVER smear the Clintons the way they did in this campaign. Make sure every Jeremiah Wright and Pfleger shut their mouths about them.
I'm pretty sure Obama and Clinton do not spend much time worrying about our little blog squabbles.
Maybe when she runs down and does something to all the Clinton supporters who posted the Muslim terrorists claims, the "Go back to Africa" stuff, the Sambo dialect jokes, the vicious remarks about Michelle, the abuse of ministers and the black church, and so on . . . You get the idea. Unity is hard but you can't ask for what you do not give.
Over at talkleft most people want him to make it on his own--out of anger I think. I personally think Hillary would be a much stronger advocate for her issues in the Senate, and I think they'd welcome back very easily. I think people who don't think so haven't run for office. Its no easy thing to amass 18 million supporters in a hotly contested election, without enough money, with out the support of the press, and without the support of the party.
It seems folks are still crazed.
More time.
And more of McCain's weird grins.
I'm heightist, by the way, but I do think him a cute little feller, especially when mad.
I love this method of ditching the press. I've never seen it done quite like that before.
http://marcambinder.theatlantic.com/arch ives/2008/06/questions_about_the_secret_ mee.php
Barack, Count the silver and have the house checked for listen devices.
Just kidding.
They are meeting at her house so maybe she should watch the silver. Just kidding too.
again, right wing smear tactics. nice
how would you like me to use some right wing smear tactics against the Obamas' and say just kidding?
I didn't think so
stay classy
why would the Clintons' need to watch their silver?
Because a black man came to dinner. Don't you know that all black men are thieves. And worse than that, he is a Muslim.
yep, I thought it was a rip from sam's earlier comment.
I still stand firm in my resolve with the cheap shot republican smear talking points.
not good for anyone to use here.
seriously guys - if right wing smear attacks are now the norm here, I think it is fair to call those who use them TROLLS or FREEPERS. And TR them for being such trolls
stay classy
This person, by Sam Wise Gingy on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 10:25:34 PM EST, joked about Barack, watch the silver and listening devices and said just kidding. I joked back and pointed out since the meeting is at her house maybe she should watch the silver. Keep up and relax. If you can make a right wing smear out of that exchange we are in for a bumpy ride.
I got it. You were punning off of Sam's comment.
But my statement holds true - regardless if it was a pun or not - and that is to all here.
I'm tired of hearing how Obama needs to have a food taster or count the silverware.
those are republican smear points. And counterattacking back is not useful either.
sorry, that is just how I feel about it right now.
why the hell would barack need to count the silverware? its hillary's house. he doesn't own silverware. both silverware comments were always about hillary. criminy.
it's just beyond your comprehension that an obama supporter can make a joke about their own candidate, isn't it?
get over yourself. and if you're so raw, maybe it's you who needs to take a break from the blog
Pillow fights and paint-ball contests are great for stress relief. The should have them in Congress.
dont underestimate them pillows. man with the right force it could knock you out.
--im a victim of unwarranted pillow force--
involved...
For $5 you can get these great foam disk guns at Toys-R-Us. Christmas at home (or any other less predictable occasion) always finds new things like that around here.
Also encourage their use in the office. Been a remote worker a lot for years, always try to show up in the office with some foam weapons from time to time to completely disrupt productivity...
Wouldn't you love to have been a fly on the wall during THAT meeting?
it's pretty ballsy and not just for being a big fuck you to the press.
If you really don't believe that there is a lot of Obama hate out there, check out this thread at talkleft
http://www.talkleft.com/story/2008/6/5/1 8202/39151
Look at the postings from tek and from shannon and from many others.
Look at how people comment how funny the thread is. yeah, because saying Michelle wants to kill whitey is really funny.
This is really where you get into hate speech.
I have yet to see or read anything here against Hillary that is as bile filled and hate filled as this.
And yet Armando and Jeralyn do nothing about these people.
Is this really representative of what HRC stands for? I would really like to see some answers on this
300 people... that's who's posting all this stuff, and we have no idea how many are operation chaos operatives.
There will be some Clinton or no one people out there, just like there would have been Barack or no one...
Just remember, that there are Republican anti-McCain dead enders as well. I know one!
herm, kinda looking like they pulled another fast one... not at her house after all.
Watch out DC two big rollers are loose, will the city ever be the same after tonight?
dun da dun
Thomas DeFrank in the New York Daily News today: "Stick a fork in Hillary, no use a STAKE instead" Ah now the Obama loving press wants us to believe that Hillary Clinton is a vampire. This is after Don Imus has referred to her numerous times as Satan. And they wonder why we're still pissed off. If the situation were reversed they wouldn't use anything near this language about Obama. Mr DeFrank is a frequent guest on Obama's campaign manager's show, better known as Hardball.
is not the Obama-loving press. It is a New York tabloid in the same vein as the Post.
It sure is part of the Obama loving press, tabloid or no tabloid. Have you ever read its columnists like Mike Lupica?
Another week for what?--to point out the incredible bias of the press?
And then what happens after a week, am I supposed to melt away like a famous "witch" should.
Never figured you for the brown sugar kinda' guy. I was thinking more along the lines of 'hoist with your own petard.'
And just what constitutes my petard? That Saint Barack won this nomination on the backs of NON-DEMS in Iowa? Or the fact that he gets 92-96% of the vote from his particular enthic group and we are FORBIDDEN to even mention it. Or that "thrill goes up my leg" press that he gets just never lets up. Bill C was described by frequent Matthews guest Tom DeFrank this morning in my paper as "rabid", yesterday HRC was described needing a "stake" stuck in her. This motherfucking horseshit would NEVER be tolerated if Edwards or Obama were in the same spot. As you know very well.
Oh, and you're a regular Bhudda I suppose, just as calm as they come.
No but I usually manage to hold on to the pin and throw the grenade.
Well, fine, but I think you'll find that the level of discord over the Obama nomination is going to decline pretty rapidly around here. Have you noticed the number of diaries by formerly incendiary posters who have come around to acceptance of the outcome and willingness to support the Democratic candidate lately? If you continue these unequivocal attacks I'm guessing, given your tendency toward inflammatory statements, that you are going to get a lot of push-back and resistance. It's a thin line between principle and trolling sometimes, I mean if I went over to Red State and stood on my principles I would be rightly considered a troll, wouldn't I, or at best a pet lefty?
You are absolutely right about these media comments, they are ridiculous. But to pretend that they have only happened to HRC, only due to sexism, is also ridiculous. There are people, as we speak, selling t-shirts with monkey images on them, depicting BO.
You are so mad at a few supporters who read and reply to blogs: the majority of supporters on either Dem side are even-keeled, reasonable, patriotic Americans who would support either candidate against McCain in November. No one has forbidden anyone from mentioning that African Americans voted for BO (although your stats are laughably off..are you really asserting that 96% of Americans who voted for BO are African American?) It is the implication that these votes are somehow invalid, or worth less, and that AA's are only voting for him because of his race, that is racist and "horseshit."
Imus is an idiot who called female college basketball players "nappy-headed ho's." Are you really wasting valuable energy being indignant at anything he says? Of COURSE he uses sexist rhetoric, it gets him ratings with right-wing jerks.
I would condemn all day anything Rush Limbaugh says, or anyone on Fox News, but I also recognize that they have an agenda and they are using the most effective weapons at their disposal to spread it, including sexism and racism and fear. If I want it to stop, I write letters, boycott their advertisers, and confront THEM, not the supporters of the Dem candidate who is as progressive and as much a feminist as the woman who ran against him. I am sure BO would defend HRC if he heard someone imply that she is a vampire. If you are really honest, there were some moments in this campaign when HRC had a chance to defend racist language against BO, and she chose not to.
"Resentment is like swallowing poison and waiting for the other person to die."
"almost a bigger <nasty expletive> than Hillary"
Clearly the "almost" means he's in the tank for BO.
It's not Obama loving press. It's a bias against Hillary. I think partly due to some of her baggage -- she does have some. But mostly it's sexism.
Just the same as we have seen some veiled racism in this campaign in the press -- and likely there will be more to come. Which is unacceptable. There has been a lot of veiled and not so veild sexism as well. And that has nothing to do with Obama himself. Rather with the press and some of the public who accept it and think it's OK.
I am sure that their dinner was more enjoyable then reading this thread
What a complete waste of time.
Somebody better clean up this mess!
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