An Audition For Webb?

Obama is in Virginia today campaigning with Webb, Warner, Kaine, and Rep. Boucher. Specifically, Webb will join Obama at a rally in Bristol, Virginia. So we may see some interesting photos of what an Obama/Webb or Obama/Warner ticket would look like.

And in an interview with the Huffington Post, we get an early sense of how Webb-as-Obama-surrogate would sound:

"John McCain's comment about Barack not having sat down recently with General Petreaus means nothing," Webb said. "If you know who to listen to, if you know how to make judgments, if you know how evaluate information, you can do that. I don't think Franklin Roosevelt was ever at the front in France during WWII in order to help end the war."

Some have issues with Webb as a possible VP choice, but I'm much more receptive to the idea. We'll need an aggressive Democratic messenger in that slot, and Webb's one of the toughest handlers of the political media I've seen - watching him bowl over cable news hosts, for example, is almost a spectator sport. Beyond that, Webb's story would be easy to fold into Obama's messaging - former Reagan Navy Secretary, low tolerance for Washington ways of business, strong voice on Iraq war, etc..

Clearly there are more qualities needed in a number-two pick. And Webb has downsides and vulnerabilities. But a vice-president must be much more than a successful checklist of policy positions.

Tags: Barack Obama, Election 08, Jim Webb (all tags)

Comments

57 Comments

keep Webb in the Senate

On balance, there are better running mates for Obama. Webb does not like campaigning enough to spend long hours doing it every day for the next five months.

by desmoinesdem 2008-06-05 09:55AM | 0 recs
Agreed.

No two-Senator tickets unless there is no other option.  That means no Webb and--sorry--no Clinton.

Warner, on the other hand...I approve.  (Not that my approval means diddley squat, but still.)

by Elsinora 2008-06-05 10:11AM | 0 recs
so true, too washington

he should pick Bob Miller, former Gov of Nevada, who was in the army and air force reserves for 7 years, governor for 10, which means he is an outsider, has military exprience, and political experience. He can help with the west. he is perfect

by DiamondJay 2008-06-05 10:58AM | 0 recs
Who?

I thought I knew politics pretty well, but I've never heard of Bob Miller. What's he like? When was he Governor?

by elrod 2008-06-05 02:29PM | 0 recs
he was governor from 1989-1999

a good profile here and a few more facts.

by Lakrosse 2008-06-05 04:00PM | 0 recs
no, we need Warner

to pick up a Senate seat. He is more useful to the party that way.

by desmoinesdem 2008-06-05 12:38PM | 0 recs
Re: An Audition For Webb?

I like Webb as well but he will have to do some damage control/outreach to women's groups so that Obama doesn't aggravate his already problematic relationship with a certain segment of the female democratic base.

by wasder 2008-06-05 09:55AM | 0 recs
Re: An Audition For Webb?

See, and that's the reason I don't want him.  He could further alienate a group that is already going to be one of the challenges going forward.

I think Wesley Clark and John Edwards are both better picks.  

by bosdcla14 2008-06-05 10:50AM | 0 recs
Re: An Audition For Webb?

not a good choice.  

by colebiancardi 2008-06-05 09:55AM | 0 recs
Tester might make an interesting choice.

by Beltway Dem 2008-06-05 09:59AM | 0 recs
Re: Tester might make an interesting choice.

When asked about veep, Tester said Schweitzer.  Who's sorta awesome.  Not to mention his 70% approval rating in Montana.

by bosdcla14 2008-06-05 10:52AM | 0 recs
Re: An Audition For Webb?

Mark Warner I like a lot as VP, but not at the expense of losing the senate seat pickup that looks virtually guaranteed.

by wasder 2008-06-05 10:00AM | 0 recs
That seat is still probably a win...

...even without Warner.  Gilmore barely won the GOP Senate Nomination this weekend, by roughly 65 votes, despite outspending his challenger 14-1.  Current GOP leadership in Virginia is quite cool towards Gilmore as well.  John Warner has yet to give an endorsement, and Rep. Tom Davis has only stated he'd vote for Gilmore, nothing more, while indicating some underlying resentment towards Gilmore.

When asked Wednesday at a Christian Science Monitor breakfast whether he would endorse Gilmore, Davis deflected the question.

"I'm a Republican; I'm going to vote for Gilmore," he said.

When pressed whether he would endorse the nominee, he said: "What do you mean? Am I going to go up and put my arm around him and say, `Jim, you've always been my best friend'? "

After briefly walking away, he offered: "Jim needs to do outreach. Jim doesn't talk to anybody.
"I'll support the Republican."

A good friend of mine who knows VA politics well told me that former LG Don Beyer is waiting in the wings should Warner be tapped for VP.  I'm willing to bet that Beyer, despite losing to Gilmore in 1997, can beat in in the new Virginia.

http://thehill.com/leading-the-news/sen. -warner-avoids-backing-would-be-gop-succ essor-2008-06-04.html

by mascho 2008-06-05 10:19AM | 0 recs
Re: An Audition For Webb?

I'm not certain Webb's place is necessarily as full-blown VP. He'd have to answer for a lot more than foreign policy in that position.

I think there is room for more than one person as a spokesperson for the campaign, though. While too many people would cloud the message, using multiple allies specifically for their strong points speaks well to Obama's judgment.

There's plenty of time to select a vice-president, and having such powerhouse advisors/surrogates as Webb, Edwards, Biden, Richardson, etc would be completely overwhelming to a Republican party whose only strong member right now is John McCain.

by vcalzone 2008-06-05 10:01AM | 0 recs
Re: An Audition For Webb?
For the record, the only reason I did not include Clinton in that list is because I'm not sure if she would want it. If she would, then the presidency is in the bag.
by vcalzone 2008-06-05 10:03AM | 0 recs
Re: An Audition For Webb?

I like Webb as a VP but I don;t like giving up a senate seat that we may not get back.

by SFValues 2008-06-05 10:04AM | 0 recs
Re: An Audition For Webb?

Democrat Governor (Kaine) gets to appoint replacement.  No loss.

by nwgates 2008-06-05 10:19AM | 0 recs
Re: An Audition For Webb?

But does the replacement stand for the full term?

by SFValues 2008-06-05 10:24AM | 0 recs
I wish Warner had been available

He is a dynamic force and I've liked him ever since I lived in VA a while back.   Webb strikes me as angry and stiff, though I like his politics and he deserves praise for knocking off George what's his name?

by activatedbybush 2008-06-05 10:11AM | 0 recs
Re: I wish Warner had been available

Mark Warner is quite available. If the next president of the United States asks you to do something ... You respectfully decline the nomination of the Democratic Party of Virginia for the office of Senator. The executive committee (or whatever body authorized by law) appoints a successor.

Democrats in VA have a good bench -- in fact, a surplus of able candidates gearing up to run for Gov next year -- Creigh Deeds who ran for AG in 2005 and lost by less than a thousand votes, and his friend Brian Moran who is Chairman of the Democratic Caucus in the VA House. And a close friend of Warner is Don Beyer, a former Lt Gov. Any of those frequently mentioned to replace Warner if he is tapped can easily beat Jim Gilmore in this election year.

So let Obama choose the best man for Veep without fear of causing a Republican to become Senator. The voters of Virginia can handle it.

by Woody 2008-06-05 10:29AM | 0 recs
I respect your confidence

If that is the case, then I think that Warner would be a good choice indeed.

My preference would be to see my candidate - Clinton - as VP on the ticket, but there are certainly quite a few good choices out there and ones that won't be received as hyper partisan (i.e., pro-Obama) either.

by activatedbybush 2008-06-05 10:53AM | 0 recs
Obama/Kaine?

Why isn't Tim Kaine mentioned more often?  He was a very early Obama supporter, he's term limited as Gov of VA and one would think he'd help in VA without weakening the Dems in the Senate.

by PantsB 2008-06-05 10:14AM | 0 recs
Re: Obama/Kaine?

If you have the time and inclination, you should do a diary making the case for Kaine. I like much of what I know about him, and I'm wild about the idea of turning Virginia blue, but frankly I all that much about Kaine. So, I still need some convincing.

I'm thinking of doing a diary making the case for Schweitzer during the coming days--my current favorite.

by DPW 2008-06-05 10:26AM | 0 recs
I would be happier

if he didn't pick an early supporter.   As a Clinton backer, I would prefer that my candidate stand on the ticket with Obama.  That said, he has to make his own choice and there are a number of good ones out there.  

I mentioned in another post that if we are talking about Virginians, I would be pretty excited about Mark Warner.  He has executive experience (he would have been a top tier Presidential candidate this year), business success, and independence from Obama.

I do believe that Obama needs to "reach across the aisle" and not tap a firm or early loyalist for the VP role.  This could be a strong Clinton backer, but could also be someone who has remained neutral through the race.  There should be some gesture of respect to the majority of Dem primary voters who did not support Obama this year.

by activatedbybush 2008-06-05 10:56AM | 0 recs
Re: Obama/Kaine?

Yes Obama mentioned Kaine as supporting him three days after he announced his run for the Presidency

by Politicalslave 2008-06-05 02:30PM | 0 recs
Re: An Audition For Webb?

I like Webb but agree with those mentioning his Tailhook scandal as a deal killer.  

I like Richardson but wish he was more of an ass-kicker.  Too nice.

I like Rendell or anyone from Ohio.

I think any woman other than Hillary would be looked at as a token pick and would be viewed as insulting to Hillary and woman in general.

I wouldn't pick Hillary either but in the spirit of unity won't go into detail.    

And there are likely dozens of names we haven't considered.  Remember, Obama is already a "rock star" and so this pick doesn't need to be a big, common name.  

by SpanishFly 2008-06-05 10:20AM | 0 recs
Re: An Audition For Webb?

Obama is also still a newcomer in the minds of most Americans and has a limited record in Washington, so he needs someone that people already know.

by vcalzone 2008-06-05 10:30AM | 0 recs
Re: An Audition For Webb?

Richardson also has some women issues - he is a huge womanizer.

by colebiancardi 2008-06-05 11:22AM | 0 recs
Re: An Audition For Webb?

Seriously?  Doesn't look like one to me.  :^)

OK, Cole, besides Hillary, who do you like, as a person who can answer the bell on some of the VP needs while still meeting the feminism requirements?  Who has the best record in this regard, assuming Obama won't pick Clinton.

Your feedback is appreciated.

by SpanishFly 2008-06-05 12:37PM | 0 recs
Re: An Audition For Webb?

Richardson has had some issues in the past.

hmm.  Veep.  Don't know the who yet, just the what

what Obama needs:

1.  Someone with history in DC.  A clean history, but history as in connections.  Let's face it, Obama has only been in DC for 3 years?  And he has spent almost half of that time on the road campaigning for POTUS.  Someone who has worked across the party lines

2.  Someone who can be seen as a moderate.  Obama is going to get slammed for being a liberal.  I know it, you know it, we all know it.  So, having someone who is not as liberal would give a balance.  Of course, that person who be pro-choice and pro-gay

3.  I hate to say it, but no minority groups.  No women, no people of other races, just a white boring guy.   I wouldn't take the chance of putting too much "change" out there on the ticket.  Even though I would like Hillary, it might be too much for the American public to take.  They may say they want change, but whoa baby, that may be TOO much.  Please note - I WOULD be thrilled if we had no white guys on the ticket, but I dunno.  People move slowly.

4.  Perhaps someone who has served in the military and has a stellar record.  Good balance.

5. No senators.  Too slim as it is.

6. Someone who has a record of speaking to fiscal responsibility.  We will get slammed for the age-old "tax & spend" liberal screed.  Seriously.  This morning on CSPAN, a republican had the balls to state that.  Seriously.

I honestly don't know who would fit that bill.  

What I am worried about is if McCain puts Sarah Palin on as his veep.  That would be a wise choice - she is very popular as governor in Alaska.  

Personal note:  who I would love as Veep is Russ Feingold, but he is a senator.  and liberal.  

by colebiancardi 2008-06-05 01:44PM | 0 recs
Re: An Audition For Webb?

Wesley Clark seems to fit much of your list, no?

by SpanishFly 2008-06-06 10:36AM | 0 recs
Richardson is an ass-kicker

Too nice? No, not at all.

Why do you think Bill Clinton picked Richardson to run the whip on getting NAFTA through Congress?

Richardson is not afraid to bust heads together. Not long ago I met some people who are familiar with his record in New Mexico. He has done some great things on transportation planning and according to them used "brute force" to get a passenger rail link between Santa Fe and Albuquerque funded and built.

by desmoinesdem 2008-06-05 12:41PM | 0 recs
Rendell could work

But he is also Eastern PA, and Obama's weakness was more in Western PA.  I haven't lived up there in a long time, but I just know that people in Pittsburgh area would vote against someone just because they were associated with Philly.

Although I think a governor (or former gov) is going to be best choice.  I don't think he should be picking any other Senator.

by monkeyga 2008-06-05 08:49PM | 0 recs
Re: An Audition For Webb?

I'm growing more and more fond of Schweitzer as VP. Of course, I'm now open to a unity ticket as well (after months of rejecting the idea), even though I still find the idea problematic. But, I recognize that a unity ticket is very important to some of Hillary's most loyal supporters, and she's certainly earned serious consideration by her great second-half performance.

But, I wish there would be more discussion of Schweitzer. Poblana at 538 had a great piece on this possibility yesterday, and I recommend everyone take a few moments to learn more about him.  

by DPW 2008-06-05 10:21AM | 0 recs
Re: An Audition For Webb?

Totally agree with a Schweitzer pick. The guy's got experience in flipping red states, and he can speak eloquently and in detail about policy. He'd also move us west, which is exactly the direction I'd like to see the democratic center move.

Of course, I like ALL of the usual suspects on the VP list. But I was really happy to see Senator Tester bring up Schweitzer on MSNBC on tuesday.

by SupremeCourt 2008-06-05 10:26AM | 0 recs
Re: An Audition For Webb?

He's also got some valuable experience in the middle east, speaks arabic, opposed the war, advocates greater diplomacy with Iran and Syria, and is really impressive talking about energy policy.

He's very pro-"clean coal," which will upset some, but he's still pretty sensitive to the environmental issues. However, he just thinks that energy independence is so important that the environmental costs associated with "clean coal" probably outweigh the costs of continued energy dependence. Also, he's a very persuasive advocate for biodeisel and other sources of alternative energy. So, he doesn't think coal is some silver bullet.

There are other pros and cons, but on the whole, I think he's a great fit with Obama.

by DPW 2008-06-05 10:34AM | 0 recs
Re: An Audition For Webb?

That should have said that Schweitzer believes that the myriad costs associated with continued energy dependence outweighs the environmental costs associated with "clean coal," which counts in favor of investment in "clean coal" from a purely utilitarian perspective.

I kinda screwed that up in the original comment.

by DPW 2008-06-05 10:38AM | 0 recs
Re: An Audition For Webb?

The problem with schweitzer (and Warner) is they are on the ballot in their respective states this year. While we're still probably going to get the VA Senate seat without Warner running (and heck, he could still run and win) with Schweitzer, I don't see how he does both and if is only running for VP who holds the MT Governorship for us? Remember, Schweitzer's Lt. Gov is a Republican and they run together. MT's bench is getting more plump, but most of the folks in Schweitzer's mold are very young still in their careers.

I love Schwietzer, but this is a problem.

by Trowaman 2008-06-05 10:37AM | 0 recs
Re: An Audition For Webb?

Yeah, Poblano addresses that as the largest problem with Schweitzer. It's not a deal-killer really, but it certainly counts as a reason not to put him on the ticket. I just think there are, on balance, stronger competing reasons in favor of Schweitzer.

by DPW 2008-06-05 10:41AM | 0 recs
He doesn't like to campaign

He hates being on the trail, as I've been told by someone with extensive interaction with his campaign. Even if it weren't for all the rest, that kind of makes him a bad pick.

But he's a fine Senator from Virginia, a state that will now, it seems, be fielding two Dems instead of two Republicans. I'm pretty happy about that and I think it's a fine state of affairs.

by Natasha Chart 2008-06-05 10:29AM | 0 recs
Re: He doesn't like to campaign

He wouldn't have to actually campaign that long. And really, I think his natural aversion to the cadence of politics only helps him.

by Josh Orton 2008-06-05 10:32PM | 0 recs
Re: An Audition For Webb?

At this point, I really don't care who Obama picks as VP.  It won't be Hillary and it shouldn't be because Hillary is the BETTER of the two.

Except for reading MyDD to get my news, I think I'll go to "sleep" until November.

I never could actually listen to Barack at any great length and was changing the channel when he was on before.

Now it's 24 hours of "Family Guy" for me. hahahahahaha  Now THAT'S reality.

by stefystef 2008-06-05 10:33AM | 0 recs
Re: An Audition For Webb?

Have a Family Guy quote :

Chris: What do you do at a Young Republicans meeting?
Alyssa: We help those who already have the means to help themselves. Also, we perpetuate the idea that Jesus chose America to destroy non-believers and brown people.
Chris: I don't know why, but I feel safer already.

by spacemanspiff 2008-06-05 10:48AM | 0 recs
I really like Webb

but in the era of women being upset, Webb may not be the best choice.

If women were really behind Obama right now than Webb would be my choice for VP.  But since Obama has some work to do, Webb may have to make Obama work harder.

I think a better choice for Obama is Clark since he would help bridge the 2 sides of the party together.

by puma 2008-06-05 10:50AM | 0 recs
Re: I really like Webb

I agree that Clark should be on the top of the list for VP.

Hillary should politely decline in public to put this behind her and us.  She doesn't need that spot to seal her place in history: she's already there. I'd be happy if she retired after her term (and I'm a supporter) and never lifted a finger to politics ever again, but that's not in her core.  She will campaign, fight and hopefully make a very good Senate Majority Leader to help focus Obama's laundry bag of promises, that's going to be needed to get his agenda accomplished.

by emsprater 2008-06-05 10:59AM | 0 recs
Re: An Audition For Webb?

Bound to be part of the discourse, but here's how I see this whole 'event'

Headlines: "Obama has lunch at the Olde Abbot Inn, is seen talking to the chef, to be new White House culinary chief?"

Folks, we can't speculate about how every contact Obama has between now and Denver has hidden 'meaning'.  It'll drive us nuts, the teevee pundits into a froth and get us nowhere in the end.

by emsprater 2008-06-05 10:53AM | 0 recs
Re: An Audition For Webb?

I still don't like the idea of Webb as VP candidate.  He has too much of an embarrassing paper trail, including some racy novels with misogynistic dialogue.  He's also a former Republican and as soon as the digging starts it's likely that dozens of statements will turn up representing former Webb positions, vigorously expressed and from the not to distant past, that are in outright conflict with Obama's positions.  He seems like a lightning rod to me.  And I don't agree that we need some sort of attack dog in the VP slot.  I would prefer a competent, professional, low-profile, somewhat unexciting number two.  Obama is going to be the front-and-center star of this campaign.

by Dan Kervick 2008-06-05 11:10AM | 0 recs
Bristol?!

Man, nobody goes to Bristol; it's a long way from anywhere.  I know - I used to live there.

That's firmly in south-central Appalachia - a good place to show he's serious about reaching out to the sorts of voters he lost in the WV and KY primaries.

But it's tough country for Obama.  It's just across the state line from upper east Tennessee, which has to be the most conservative part of the state.  

Should be interesting to see what sort of turnout and response he gets down there.

by RT 2008-06-05 11:14AM | 0 recs
Re: An Audition For Webb?

My gut feeling tells me that Obama is going to pick someone like Webb. Psychologically, Obama is an X gen. and a Democrat.

What does this mean? As an X gen. he does not want to be told what to do. Since so many people have been urging him to pick Clinton or another woman as VP, he will resist the idea. As a Democrat, he will be prone to pick a senator from the South who can help him win a state. Jim Webb fits that profile.

My brain tells me that Obama is going to win. The numbers seem to confirm this. My gut feeling tells me that McCain is headed toward a tremendous upset win. My gut feeling tells me that this is the one year where the VP pick is going to make the difference. My gut feeling tells me that McCain will respond with Obama's pick by picking either Sarah Palin, Condoleeza Rice or Meg Whitman as his Vice Presidential choice. My gut feeling tells me that this will be a winning strategy.

So lets see which is smarter, my brain or my guts.

by Zzyzzy 2008-06-05 11:30AM | 0 recs
Re: An Audition For Webb?

I like your brain.....

BUT I HATE YOUR GUTS!

Sorry bro, I couldn't resist! :-)

Good analysis. That Condy thought is nagging at my guts as well. Her dislike in the Black community is overrated and she represents the highest example in politics of a self-made woman. There are Democratic women who would vote for her if packaged right.

by xodus1914 2008-06-05 08:39PM | 0 recs
Re: An Audition For Webb?

If the polls start to move substantially in his direction in the next few weeks he can pick anyone. If they don't, his best bet is Clinton. The decision will be made on the basis of political math not knee jerk emotions.

by ottovbvs 2008-06-05 01:17PM | 0 recs
Re: An Audition For Webb?

I agree that as a VP, Webb would be a great choice because of his strength on Iraq and prowess in aggresively handling the media.

Not sure how he is as a back-up President.  But as a VP in day-to-day stff, he has the chops.

As far as outreach to women, Obama will make up ground with them on his own, and with Michelle's advantages.  He is actually a good fit once they give him a good solid look.

Webb would help with the couch-potato tough-guy class who get off of labelling the Democratic candidate as some kind of freakish wuss (Maureen Dowd I'm farting in your general direction!).  Plus he has a great grasp of the military and I think he would be a good advisor in that capacity.

He'd also be a good pick for Sec Def.  And the guy to give Lieberman an atomic wedgie at the inaugeration.

by teknofyl 2008-06-05 01:27PM | 0 recs
Larry Sabato

Pretty well respected political observer out of VA says that Warner would be the best bet to turn VA blue.

by highgrade 2008-06-05 03:00PM | 0 recs
Webb is wrong on history

http://www.museumofworldwarii.com/Images 2005/08Ikefdrlg.gif

FDR is shown here meeting with Ike in 1943.

He should know his military history better.  Also, FDR was in constant communication with his field generals while in D.C.

by katmandu1 2008-06-05 03:14PM | 0 recs
Roosevelt traveled a lot during WWII

Considering he was in a wheelchair

Here are some of his travels.  http://militaryhistory.about.com/od/worl dwarii/a/wwiipost.htm

Is Webb being intentionally stupid for some reason?  Leaders don't go to the front.  Sheesh.  France?  What, was FDR going to be wheeled on to Omaha beach?  Eisenhower was back in the planning room -- you send your field commanders out.

by katmandu1 2008-06-05 04:13PM | 0 recs
Re: Roosevelt traveled a lot during WWII

I too found that McCain's criticism -- that Obama has not visited Iraq recently and has not met with Petraeus other than in a perfunctory way at the Foreign Relations Committee hearing -- legitimate, and Webb's response was bizarre.

Baghdad is not a "front" in the Battle of the Bulge sense.  The conflict there is a civil conflict.  So the situations are different.  And FDR surely met with his top commanders regularly, as you note.

by He Who Must Not Be Named 2008-06-06 04:02AM | 0 recs
Re: Roosevelt traveled a lot during WWII

I've gone through your comments and found nothing but Obama-bashing and McCain apologetics.  Thanks for your concern here on MyDD, and welcome to the Hidden Comments section.

by Shem 2008-06-15 11:49AM | 0 recs

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