She did this to herself. We can't blame Obama.

I'm shocked that Hillary is a liability in the general election. Shocked.

This is the biggest risk in putting her as VP.... It's not the message clash, because that can be over come. What can't be, however, is the record of attacks on each other.

that it was going to come back to bite us and it had  created the appearance that she preferred McNutty over Obama.

We are going to be seeing this over and over from now until November so we better get used to it.

If we lose in November this will be a large part of why in my opinion.

but she won't

that keeps on giving -- like a bad penny.

But what it hurts most is her slim chance of becoming Obama's VP. I'll send the RNC a thank you note.

As well they should.  Obambi has shattered any unity the Democratic Party could have achieved.  I have just registered as a Republican after 25 years of Democratic loyalty.  Dean, Pelosi, Brazille and the rest can watch the town burn down.  I'm getting out of Dodge while the getting is good!  

She can't be VP. Period. Put her in VP position and you might as well be handing the presidency to McCain.

Her own choice as it has always been. She chose to use the words that would make a coexistence between her and Obama impossible -- she chose this.

picking clinton as vp would be one of  the dumbest moves obama could make

do you know how many republicans hate mccain, but hate hillary WAY WAY more and will vote mccain just because they hate her so much?

not to mention the many obama supporters who will not vote if shes on the ticket

I agree, and that is why I think, (sorry Clinton fans who think the Obama folks should be coming on bended knee to Hillary to BEG her to save his election chances) if the Clinton camp REALLY wants the VP, she needs to bash this to pieces RIGHT NOW!

The problem is, my take is, Bill, Hillary, her team, and most of her supporters will have a lot of trouble if all of a sudden she is praising Obama to the high heavens as the CIC?

It will sound phony as hell, self-serving, like she is just saying it to get on the ticket?

She dug a deep deep hole...but, VP was NEVER in her sites?  Not then, at least?

They are a lot of things, but Democrats are not stupid people. They know candidates say things in the heat of a campaign, but that's often all it is. At one time, Romney thought McCain was the worst possible person to run for President, and I'm sure he said a few choice things in the heat of the moment. Now, you can't get his lips away from McCain's ass.

anyway, Obama had called Clinton part of the corrupt Washington culture so it's not like they wouldn't have used his words if Clinton had gotten the nomination.

Gosh, Republican haven't used the comments of one Democrat against another in a Presidential campaign in like...I don't know...4 years...

If Clinton is the VP, this would be a temporary hit at best, and one they'd have to use up in june, five months before the election.

I don't see it as a big deal.

HIllary is right. Obama will lose.

You cannot blame Hillary or Bill for being right.

did you see that they are also using Carter's words against him?

She already explained what she meant by that comment on Olbermann's show; she claims that she was talking about the perception that people would draw between her versus McCain and Obama versus McCain.  Perhaps that's crap but it is an explanation.  If there is anybody that can explain his or her way out of a paperbag, it is Hillary Clinton.

However you slice and dice it, it's a question that's gotta be answered by Barack Obama.

Rather than spend the time blaming "Clinton's words", how about figuring out how to debate McCain on this issue.

Stop dumping on Hillary tonight.  It's ungracious.

I see you still dont hate the clintons.  No one could possiblity think this based on your own words.  Funny how much you sound like rush.

david

Well, so lots of crap gets "circulated."  If everybody's going to get high blood pressure about every video that's sent around in June, it's going to be a long season.  It's lamentable, but it's not going to be worth anything in November.

Romney said of McCain. "But there are a number of pieces of legislation where his views are out of the mainstream, at least in my view, of conservative Republican thought."

But taking a step back this ploy by the republications show why its much easier for Obama to pick someone who never endorsed Hillary because of the things they said.  Since there are several fine Veep choices who endorsed Obama all along I think you will see one of them getting the nod.

At any rate IMO Obama won't pick his Veep for up to two months.

yep

Why I went from "they are all fine"

to angry at Hillary.

That was inexcusable. If the pubs win ...

Its obvious that the GOP is doing all they can to disrupt the unity process.  The key thing to understand is that part of what they are trying to do is induce the very reactions that are in this thread, of the "Screw HRC.  She shouldn't have said that" variety.

As far as how this relates to value of HRC as VP, I think its far from clear.  The GOP is going to attack Obama with these kinds of ads featuring HRC regardless and it will be a problem.  But why is it necessarily a bigger problem if she's on the ticket?

On the one hand, there is obvious "gotcha" value to saying "OMG, look what his own VP said about him!"  This is the conventional wisdom about this issue.

On the other hand, many of the primary targets of this group of ads are Hillary supporters.  That's why a range of ads is being employed.  Its not just to say that a dem attacked Obama, but specifically to pull at the emotions of Hillary supporters, who will no doubt remember these moments and think about their own reactions to them, which probably were sympathetic to HRC.  In some ways, having HRC on the ticket would actually negate that effect.

I'm undecided about this issue.  But there are certainly pros and cons to having HRC on the ticket vis-a-vis the impact these ads will have in the general election.  Its really not a clear cut case.

the RNC would be using Obama's words.

She shouldn't have said that, as was pointed out at the time.  But she did and Obama is just going to have to push back on it.  It isn't helpful, to be sure, and it does nothing to shore up Hillary's attractiveness as VP either, but what's done is done.

Obama's path to the presidency was always going to have a higher bar set for it in some ways.  And he has prevailed so far, defying expectations and predictions.  All the more reason for Democrats to close ranks with him and move on, we can win this thing.

Nice job.

We have tons of quotes from all the other Republicans dissing McCain, you know. Including several Republican senators flatly saying the guy is unstable and would be a crappy president.

At least Hillary can spin her comments like "Oh, I just meant I was concerned he was too inexperienced to win over VOTERS! Not too inexperienced to actually govern well!" There's no spinning away "This guy's a powderkeg and shouldn't have his finger on the button."

We're still in better shape than they are.

Senator Clinton's Rubicon-crossing quote, claiming McCain was ready to be C-in-C while Obama was not, has left me puzzled as to why anyone would think that either (a) putting her on the ticket is a good idea, and (b) Obama and/or his advisors would be inclined to do so.

Also, I am getting a nasty vibe here and at a few other sites that Clinton supporters would sooner vote for McCain than Obama, despite the fact that McCain is:

-  anti-choice;

•  poor at best on the environment;
  
•  pro-consolidation of wealth;
  
•  happy to see the Iraq War take 100+ more years;
  
•  intent on putting more people like Justices Roberts and Alito on the SCOTUS;
  
•  economically illiterate;
  
•  psyched to "Bomb-bomb-bomb, Bomb-bomb Iran."

Obama is none of these things.

If Clinton supporters need one concrete reminder of why NOT to vote for McCain, it is this:  The next President will appoint at least two, and as many as four, Justices to the SCOTUS.  Think about that for a minute.  Is feeling vindicated for your anger against Obama and his supporters worth putting this country deep into a civil and constitutional rights Dark Ages for the next three decades?

She cannot be thrusted (surrogate)

She cannot get my voters (himself)

Republican? Party of ideas? (that was at the time when he was hunting for Obamacan - great success - Not)

So please drop it with your fake indignation, I for one won't let you have your "blame hillary" insurance policy against a posible defeat.

One thing that isn't talked about, when discussing obama's chances, is how much his wife's big mouth is hurting him. I won't vote for him, for lots of other reason's, but I know fellow dems, that say they would vote for him, if it wasn't for that hate filled wife of his, and how just the idea of a America hating asshole like her in the whitehouse, just makes them gag. I think he will lose, primarily because he's going against mccain, who is still viewed by most, as "the straight shooter", but I also think the fall-out from mrs. O's rancour filled tirades against America, will be a big factor in his defeat. As for me, who I vote for will depend on if Hillary is the VP, and while I've been pushing for Hillary as the president, I would not vote for her as VP, which, even if elected, would be a waste of her talents, she'd be much better off doing her job in the senate, and then be free to make another run in 2012, let her and Edwards fight it out there. What I'll probably do is write in Edwards/Kucinuch, because they were my first and 2nd choices anyway.    

It's one thing for a Democrat to say a fellow Democratic candidate is a bad candidate.

It is one thing for a Democrat to say a fellow Democratic candidate would lose to a Republican candidate.

It is another thing entirely for a Democratic Candidate to say a Republican candidate would be a better PRESIDENT than a Democratic candidate.

Once Hillary did the latter she was done; cooked; last years' turkey; kaput; in my eyes. Never would she be veep. She's in Zell Lieberman territory there.

Can't say I quite understood why I was so alone in that view hereabouts. But whatever. This sort of proves my point.