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Celtics won My Sunday is awesome

and Hillary is about to win NC and IN

by NewHampster 2008-05-04 02:08PM | 0 recs
Re: Celtics won My Sunday is awesome

Go Celtics!

by kingsbridge77 2008-05-04 02:18PM | 0 recs
Re: Celtics won My Sunday is awesome

Go Pens!

...errr, close enough ;)

by Lost Thought 2008-05-04 02:21PM | 0 recs
Hil beats Obama by 360,000 among Dems.

BY MICHAEL SAUL
DAILY NEWS POLITICAL CORRESPONDENT
Sunday, May 4th 2008, 4:00 AM

BY MICHAEL SAUL
DAILY NEWS POLITICAL CORRESPONDENT
Sunday, May 4th 2008, 4:00 AM

Hillary Clinton would be beating Barack Obama in the popular vote if Democrats alone were choosing their presidential nominee, a Daily News analysis of primary voting has revealed.

Obama owes his first-place standing to the millions of independents and Republicans who voted for him in states that allowed them to participate in the Democratic nominating contest, the News found.

Clinton would top Obama by more than 360,000 votes if only Democrats were counted, and the delegate race - which Obama leads by 135 - would likely be tighter.

j(The analysis excludes the disputed primaries in Florida and Michigan. If they are included, Clinton's advantage grows to more than 900,000 votes.)

by kingsbridge77 2008-05-04 02:17PM | 0 recs
Re: Hil beats Obama by 360,000 among Dems.

In other words, Barack Obama has the cross-over appeal needed to win independents and take back the White House come November! ;)

by Nathan Empsall 2008-05-04 02:20PM | 0 recs
Re: Hil beats Obama by 360,000 among Dems.

maybe HAD. He consistently loses to McCain now.

by owl06 2008-05-04 02:29PM | 0 recs
Re: Hil beats Obama by 360,000 among Dems.

What? No, not at all, that's wrong. The new NYT/CBS poll says Obama 51, McCain 40. The latest CNN says Obama 49, McCain 45. The RCP average is Obama +1.1.

by Nathan Empsall 2008-05-04 04:25PM | 0 recs
Re: Hil beats Obama by 360,000 among Dems.

That's the only current poll that has Obama ahead of McCain by a significant margin. Let's not be carried away by an outlier.

by kingsbridge77 2008-05-04 08:50PM | 0 recs
Re: Hil beats Obama by 360,000 among Dems.

Actually, all this tells you is that Clinton does well in states that have closed primaries and these are states that are demographically more favorable to Clinton.

Still, I have to ask --

Why can't Clinton attract independents?

by politicsmatters 2008-05-04 02:21PM | 0 recs
Re: Hil beats Obama by 360,000 among Dems.

more indies are trending towards he in the primaries NOW. It's the Wright thing for them to do after all.

by owl06 2008-05-04 02:30PM | 0 recs
Re: Hil beats Obama by 360,000 among Dems.

the current states are more friendly to her in terms of indies going her way (minus OR) but there's something to be said about how many Republicans voted for her in MS. 75%.

without them, Hillary would have been in much deeper water.

by alex100 2008-05-05 06:53AM | 0 recs
Re: Hil beats Obama by 360,000 among Dems.

I have to ask, politicsmatters,:

Why can't Obama "close the deal"?

/snark

Heh, maybe this Tuesday it will all be determined. Well, maybe... not.

by RickWn 2008-05-04 08:36PM | 0 recs
Re: Hil beats Obama by 360,000 among Dems.

He's closing the deal as we speak.  When NC and IN pass by without any signifiant change in Obama's 130-delegate lead, he'll be even closer.

It's kind of funny how Hillary supporters snark about Obama being unable to "close the deal" when their candidate hasn't held a delegate lead in well over a month.

by Frood 2008-05-04 09:49PM | 0 recs
Re: Hil beats Obama by 360,000 among Dems.

She will attract independents - in the GE.

I thought Illinois had a closed primary?

by Montague 2008-05-04 09:27PM | 0 recs
Re: Hil beats Obama by 360,000 among Dems.

Nope.  I voted the republican ticket since it was a sure thing that the Obama margin would be colossal.  If only Giuliani hadn't dropped out before I got a chance to proudly cast my ballot for him.

by semiquaver 2008-05-04 11:17PM | 0 recs
Re: Hil beats Obama by 360,000 among Dems.

You could just as easily ask why Obama loses a large part of the base.

by TinaH1963 2008-05-04 11:09PM | 0 recs
Re: Hil beats Obama by 360,000 among Dems.

In Illinois we have an open primary and so do so many other states. We don't have party registration here.

So...this is extrapolating from self-identifiers in exit polls?

I think this is a convincing argument for Hillary Clinton supporters and no one else.

by wengler 2008-05-04 03:10PM | 0 recs
Re: Hil beats Obama by 360,000 among Dems.

I once heard James Carville say, "If 'ifs' were nuts and 'ands' were beer, we could have a hell of a party."

Party down, James!

People can conjure up all the fairy tales they want, but it won't get Hillary the nomination.

by Kobi 2008-05-04 08:45PM | 0 recs
Re: Hil beats Obama by 360,000 among Dems.

Rules are rules. Change 'em in 2012.

by Lord Hadrian 2008-05-04 08:50PM | 0 recs
Re: Hil beats Obama by 360,000 among Dems.

True.  Including the rule that SDs are permitted to vote based on which candidate they think can win the GE.  So if the SDs vote as they wish, I hope you will remember that rules are rules.

by Montague 2008-05-04 09:28PM | 0 recs
Re: Hil beats Obama by 360,000 among Dems.

Actually, there's no criterion for how Superdelegates vote.

And I've never argued that. And I know superdelegates won't overturn the pledged delegate count.

The safest political choice for a superdelegate is through Senator Obama. And it has nothing to do with losing in November, unfortunately and everything to do with constituents, the perception of "overturning" that the Obama camp will likely run after May 20th and the Denver Convention being broadcast live with infighting.

Plouffe and Axelrod orchestrated the only way Senator Obama could win. Delegate attrition. And they caught the lucky break of two Clinton constituencies being sanctioned.

by Lord Hadrian 2008-05-04 09:37PM | 0 recs
Re: Hil beats Obama by 360,000 among Dems.

Your "safe political choice" only works for SDs holding elective office.

Also, it's not whether SDs will "overturn" the pledged delegate count.  That's a loaded word.  They can vote as they please and it won't be overturning/validating/etc.

I didn't say there is a criterion for SD voting - the point is that they CAN vote any way they like.  And that's part of the rules.  Like a contract, rules are made up of what's left out as well as what's left in.

by Montague 2008-05-04 09:49PM | 0 recs
Re: Hil beats Obama by 360,000 among Dems.

It's not me using it as a loaded word. It's the media spinning it that way. And if the people feel it then, it won't happen.

So unless Senator Clinton can make it politically safe to do so, it won't happen. Because pols are pols. They're not concerned about anything other than their constituents and their next election and then the party.

They're 50/50 really. But Obama has the edge that won't be lost. And he isn't toxic now, won't be toxic next week and a month from now, will still be a 50/50 candidate.

by Lord Hadrian 2008-05-04 09:54PM | 0 recs
Re: Hil beats Obama by 360,000 among Dems.

If it's 50/50 in a few months, then either one could win over the SDs and take the nomination.

I totally agree that pols care first and foremost about keeping their jobs.

by Montague 2008-05-04 09:55PM | 0 recs
Re: Hil beats Obama by 360,000 among Dems.

It's possible. One of the few things I think that could change that is a whittling of the delegates down to 70 or 80 or a popular vote total that's close without the addition of Michigan and Florida.

And then Superdelegates can sort of shimmy and say "Well, I figured them into the total" - possible. But I really think it's unlikely given how the contests unfold.

May 20th is a majority and after that, it's just a few contests with minor delegates until Puerto Rico.

by Lord Hadrian 2008-05-04 10:02PM | 0 recs
Re: Hil beats Obama by 360,000 among Dems.

This analysis obviously doesn't count all the Limbaugh "democrat for a day" voters that she's attracted to pad or outright give her the wins in OH and TX and PA...

by LordMike 2008-05-04 09:43PM | 0 recs
Patriots beat Giants 7-0 if only rushing TDs count

BY GERALD BIRKENSTITCH
FANTASY NEWS SPORTS CORRESPONDENT
Sunday, May 4th 2008, 4:00 AM

The NFL's New England Patriots would have beaten the New York Giants in February's Super Bowl if rushing touchdowns alone had determined the winner, a Fantasy News analysis of NFL game footage has revealed.

The Giants owe their win and Lombardi trophy to the multiple touchdowns they scored by throwing the ball through the air from one player to another, as well as the three points they scored by kicking the ball through a set of uprights at the end of the field, the News found.

The Patriots would have won by a score of seven to nothing if only rushing touchdowns were counted, and the Lombardi trophy - which currently resides in the Giants' Orchard Park facilty - would almost certainly be in Foxboro, MA instead.

(This analysis excludes several plays on which a Patriots player carrying the ball was stopped from entering the end zone when a Giants player grabbed his legs or other parts of his body and pulled him to the ground, thus ending the play at that point.  If those plays were counted as touchdowns, the Patriots' margin would grow to at least 30 or 40 points.)

by Frood 2008-05-04 09:57PM | 0 recs
Re: Patriots beat Giants 7-0 if only rushing TDs c

Ah, dammit.

The BILLS play in Orchard Park, not the Giants.

Dammit, dammit, dammit.

by Frood 2008-05-04 10:01PM | 0 recs
Oprah left Wright's church

I guess her judgment was better than Obama's.

Newsweek May 12 Article

Winfrey was a member of Trinity United from 1984 to 1986, and she continued to attend off and on into the early to the mid-1990s. But then she stopped. A major reason--but by no means the only reason--was the Rev. Jeremiah Wright.

by NewHampster 2008-05-04 02:31PM | 0 recs
Re: Oprah left Wright's church

Unless you are endorsing Oprah for President I don't see how this matters much.

She endorsed Obama BTW.

by wengler 2008-05-04 03:12PM | 0 recs
Re: Oprah left Wright's church

It matters because it speaks to Obama's judgment, something he based his campaign on.

by RJEvans 2008-05-04 08:39PM | 0 recs
Re: Oprah left Wright's church

Hillary's sniper lie speaks to her veracity. Her votes to invade Iraq, for NCLB, and for Bush's 2001 bankruptcy law speak to her judgment. Her cozying up to Murdock, Scaife, Limbaugh, and O'Reilly speaks to her loyalty.

Any way you look at it, Obama comes out ahead -- as he is and will remain.

by Kobi 2008-05-04 08:50PM | 0 recs
Re: Oprah left Wright's church

You're using an ad hominem to get your point across and it's not working.

Obama joining a church that would allow him to "connect" to the community and give him the chance for community outreach does not speak against his "judgement" simply because his preacher has come out and said some pretty stupid things (the AIDS crap being the kicker for me).

Public organizations are much larger and complex then making it a referendum against one person. While Wright may have said some stupid things, I doubt his life's work was anything less then helping those who have had to be helped.

Yours statement isn't the type of myopic commentary that I will stand for anymore. It's time to push back against such dribble.

by alex100 2008-05-05 07:10AM | 0 recs
Re: Oprah left Wright's church
Its about judgement. Obama has shown a lack of judgement in his  friends and associates. Re: Wright, Rezko, Ayers.
Seems Oprah had the sense to drop Wright like a hot rock, where Obama just Hopes no one will find out about his shady friends.
by muggle 2008-05-05 09:11AM | 0 recs
Re: Oprah left Wright's church

C'mon this is pretty low

by cardboard 1 2008-05-04 08:52PM | 0 recs
Re: Oprah left Wright's church

She's not running for president;  on the issue that matters to me as a voter, Obama's judgment far surpassed Clinton's, and I don't mean  your GOP talking points bullcr@p.

Any "democrat" who carries the Wright smear forward is doing the GOP's dirty work for them.

by realcountrymusic 2008-05-05 01:02AM | 0 recs
Aha! the Obama talking point is ok though

Obama says we're past it therefore it is so.

Let it be written that we are beyond reverend Wright.

by NewHampster 2008-05-05 07:50AM | 0 recs
Re: Open Thread
The Democrats are like Dale Earnhardt Jr., always
finding ways to lose.
by mikelow1885 2008-05-04 02:36PM | 0 recs
Re: Open Thread

An interesting read. Conservatives embracing Hillary as their own, or for their own ends, depending on how you look at it.

http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Pu blic/Articles/000/000/015/063kvafy.asp?p g=1

by Lost Thought 2008-05-04 03:44PM | 0 recs
Re: Open Thread

When conservatives speak well of Obama he becomes the transformational candidate. When they speak well of Clinton she is viewed in a negative light. What's up with that?

by LadyEagle 2008-05-04 04:13PM | 0 recs
Re: Open Thread

When have conservatives spoken well of Obama?

by Kobi 2008-05-04 08:53PM | 0 recs
Re: Open Thread

You aren't paying attention.  David Brooks, Andrew Sullivan, etc.

by Montague 2008-05-04 09:30PM | 0 recs
Re: Open Thread

You may be paying attention, but not comprehending....Compared to Murdock, Scaife, Limbaugh, and O'Reilly, those guys are peanuts.

What has Brooks said of Obama?

David Brooks Writes About Some Weird Obama Cancer

David Brooks Puts Words in Obama's Mouth

Is David Brooks Comparing Michelle Obama to a Lawn Jockey?

Brooks' advice to Obama, "Go visit a factory for once."

Who's this other guy you mention...Andrew Sullivan?

Andrew Michael Sullivan (born August 10, 1963) is an English libertarian conservative author and political commentator, known for his often personal style of political analysis. He is a British citizen.

Who cares what a "limey" thinks of Obama?

by Kobi 2008-05-04 10:19PM | 0 recs
Re: Open Thread

andrew sullivan supported Kerry last go around and advocated for a Democrat controlled Congress.

He's lived in the U.S. since the '80s yet his HIV positive status keeps him from attaining citizenship.

Obama has been the only candidate to actually talk about gay rights in a church environment to my knowledge. And perhaps Sullivan (who is gay) is aware of that. or maybe not.

but yeah, who cares if Sullivan supports Obama?

by alex100 2008-05-05 07:21AM | 0 recs
Re: Open Thread

Sounds a bit like Jack Cafferty. It only makes sense that not all conservatives belong in the madhouse.

But the ones backing Hillary sure do.

by Kobi 2008-05-05 07:24AM | 0 recs
Re: Open Thread

he does support a flat tax...

crazy comes in all flavors. He's a mixed flavor. Sort of like StrawberryPoop Fiz.

by alex100 2008-05-05 07:30AM | 0 recs
Re: Open Thread

Cafferty is clearly sick of the current crop of conservative leaders. So he at least passes that sanity test.

by Kobi 2008-05-05 08:01AM | 0 recs
Re: Open Thread

Those of you who are people of faith please pray or send some positive thoughts this way. My daughter had her third miscarriage this morning and it was just heartbreaking.

She has been married two years. She will be in the hospital overnight because her blood pressure is low. I took a break from the hospital.

by LadyEagle 2008-05-04 04:16PM | 0 recs
Best wishes and prayers to

your daughter and your family.

I'm sure that with rest and peace things will work out!

by CoyoteCreek 2008-05-04 08:29PM | 0 recs
Re: Best wishes and prayers to

Thanks. She is coming home today.

by LadyEagle 2008-05-05 03:00AM | 0 recs
Re: Open Thread

We're with you LE

by cardboard 1 2008-05-04 08:40PM | 0 recs
hang in there

it will all work out.

by kindthoughts 2008-05-04 08:42PM | 0 recs
Re: hang in there

Thanks for your kind words.

by LadyEagle 2008-05-05 03:01AM | 0 recs
Re: Open Thread

Good fortune to you and yours through this difficult time. I hope all turns out okay.

Adoption is also a god-blessed option.

by RickWn 2008-05-04 08:48PM | 0 recs
Re: Open Thread

Thank you. I am hoping that she will think of the adoption option, but she is not ready at this point. My husband and I have taken in kids short term sometimes over the years. Nothing official just helping out.

I understand because I wasn't raised by my parents and have been on my own since I was sixteen. Didn't turn out too bad because I had great caring teachers.

by LadyEagle 2008-05-05 03:04AM | 0 recs
Re: Open Thread

I'm not of faith but I certainly can empathize with you. Many many good thoughts for you and your daughter and many more good wishes for an eventual happy ending to her having a child.

by alex100 2008-05-05 07:23AM | 0 recs
Re: Open Thread

Thank you so much.

by LadyEagle 2008-05-05 09:14AM | 0 recs
Re: Open Thread

Obama is about to end this race once and for all.  Lets get the party started!!!

by Bobby Obama 2008-05-04 08:13PM | 0 recs
Re: Open Thread

He's dropping out?  Good news.  Party's on.

by Montague 2008-05-04 09:31PM | 0 recs
I can't wait until this primary season is OVER!!!

Just one more month!!!!

by puma 2008-05-04 08:16PM | 0 recs
Great. Beautiful day in Arizona...

...love being able to swim outdoors!

by CoyoteCreek 2008-05-04 08:25PM | 0 recs
why you lil!!!

*shakes fist*

by kindthoughts 2008-05-04 08:43PM | 0 recs
The first kindthought you've ever

given me!

Thanks!

by CoyoteCreek 2008-05-04 08:54PM | 0 recs
Re: Great. Beautiful day in Arizona...

Arizonan here ^_^.

by Lord Hadrian 2008-05-04 09:38PM | 0 recs
Help! Newbie Question!

Stupid Question:

Where does one go on MyDD to write a diary? I can post comments, but I'm missing the "post a diary" button, if it exists...

by Falsehood 2008-05-04 08:34PM | 0 recs
Re: Help! Newbie Question!

If your a new user you have to wait a couple days

by cardboard 1 2008-05-04 08:39PM | 0 recs
Re: Help! Newbie Question!

Ah. I thought commenting and diary rights came together.

by Falsehood 2008-05-04 08:42PM | 0 recs
Re: Help! Newbie Question!

On the left something should say "Write New Diary."

by RJEvans 2008-05-04 08:41PM | 0 recs
Re: Help! Newbie Question!

You mean with these?:

   * Home
    * <username>
    * Hotlist
    * Review Hidden Comments
    * Log Out

by Falsehood 2008-05-04 08:42PM | 0 recs
Hillary Endorses Obama!

One trembling teen-ager handed Obama a cell phone and asked him to say hello to her friend Hillary, a big Obama fan. "Hi Hillary!" Obama said with a mischevous grin, telling the crowd: "And she supports me,"

"Oh, this isn't Hillary Clinton? Oh, Hillary Van Dyke," he deadpanned. "Nice to meet you! Thanks for your support."

http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/ 0,8599,1737444,00.html?xid=rss-nation

by Progressive America 2008-05-04 08:48PM | 0 recs
Re: Open Thread

Does it seem quiet around here tonight, or have I just managed to steer clear of the more contentious threads?

by sricki 2008-05-04 08:56PM | 0 recs
Re: Open Thread

I can't use my "priority viewing tickets for canvassers" to tomorrow's Obama rally, because I have to set up the poll for Tuesday.

Damned civic duty.

by freedom78 2008-05-04 09:03PM | 0 recs
Re: Open Thread

My Sunday sucks, but thanks for asking. A bunch of cheesedicks troll-rated my post here:

http://tinyurl.com/52ybo5

and now I can't see hidden comments posted anymore. Will you please send these people a computer virus that makes them support Obama?

by Bipolar Disorder Democrat 2008-05-04 09:04PM | 0 recs
Super endorsements since friday
Obama 5
Clinton 2
by alex100 2008-05-05 07:25AM | 0 recs

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