Obama Leading Guam Caucuses

Today the the island of Guam, a US territory that will have a total of 9 delegate votes at the convention, held their Democratic caucuses.

More than 3,000 votes were expected in heavy turnout at caucuses in the U.S. territory, where neither candidate campaigned.

Four pledged delegate votes were at stake on the island 8,000 miles from Washington. Guam also has five superdelegates and some of those are being determined in the caucus voting as well.

With just over half the votes counted, Barack Obama holds an 8 point lead over Hillary Clinton.

Guam's support for Barack Obama continues to mount, as the senator from Illinois has extended his lead over his New York counterpart, Hillary Clinton, in the 2008 Guam Democrat Caucus. With 12 out of 21 local voting precincts now having been accounted for, Obama has 899 of the 1,668 total votes (54%). Volunteers from the Democrat Party of Guam have counted 769 votes (46%) for Clinton.

But as Ben Smith notes, Clinton could still catch up:

But the Clinton faithful still have hope, as the critical precinct of Dededo - the island's most populous village - remains uncounted.

The Obama campaign's projected pledged delegate spreadsheet had Obama winning by 11% but splitting the pledged delegates 2-2.

Guampdn.com has video and photos up of the caucuses.

Update [2008-5-3 15:50:56 by Todd Beeton]:Demconwatch has the updated numbers:

16 districts out of 19 (84%), Obama 1,420 53%, Clinton 1,246 47%
So far each candidate has won one pledged delegate.

Update [2008-5-3 16:35:57 by Todd Beeton]:With 95% reporting, the margin remains 53%-47%. According to Demconwatch, Green Papers is projecting a 2-2 pledged delegate split (which actually means 4 delegates for each candidate each with half a vote at the convention.)

Update [2008-5-3 17:25:24 by Todd Beeton]:The reason Guam hasn't been called is that the last village to report is Guam's most populous:

It's all come down to one village. Presidential candidate hopeful Senator Hillary Clinton decidedly took Agat, and Barack Obama just barely won Yona for the Guam Democrat Caucus, bringing Obama's lead to just 5.5%. And the only remaining village left to be counted is Dededo, Guam's second-largest municipality and its most populated.

That it's still too close to call is actually pretty remarkable. As of now, Clinton has defied the Obama campaign's own expectations by cutting Obama's projected margin of victory in half. We'll see how close it actually gets after Dededo reports. CNN is already talking about how this is closer than it was supposed to be, which is exactly the narrative Clinton would like to see going into Tuesday.

Update [2008-5-3 17:32:6 by Todd Beeton]:From Tremayne at Open Left, Obama is winning the superdelegate sweepstakes in Guam today.

While the overall race is still close, the race for chairman and vice chairman of the U.S. territory's Democratic party is not. Those winning these positions automatically become 2 of the superdelegates for Guam. The posts will be won by the pro-Obama slate where one candidate has endorsed him and the other says he'll support the Guam popular vote winner.
Update [2008-5-3 18:0:20 by Todd Beeton]:As of now the most up to date results are as follows (still waiting for the village of Dededo to report):

Barack Obama 52.7% (1951 votes)
Hillary Clinton 47.3% (1748 votes)

Tags: 2008 Presidential election, Democratic nomination, guam caucuses (all tags)

Comments

84 Comments

Re: Obama Leading Guam Caucuses

CNN has it at:

Obama: 53% (1420)
Clinton: 47% (1246)

79% reporting.

by RJEvans 2008-05-03 11:50AM | 0 recs
They are electing the Chair and Co Chair

Chair and Co-Chair are SD's...Obama's pair are leading Clinton's pair this could be 2 SD's as well here's the count from demconwatch.com

Lujan/Paulino (+1 Obama, +1 undeclared): 1,236
Artero/Bordallo (+2 Clinton): 932

Cmon Lujan and Paulino....WhoooooHooooooo

by hootie4170 2008-05-03 11:51AM | 0 recs
Re: They are electing the Chair and Co Chair

So, because of 300 votes, Obama could go +2 in delegates.  That's 150 votes per delegate.

In Ohio, Clinton won by 230,000 votes, and went +9 in delegates.  that's more than 25,000 votes per delegates.

That's pretty symbolic of how this whole campaign has gone.

by markjay 2008-05-03 01:24PM | 0 recs
<<Grabbing Kleenex>>

Here's a tissue....

by hootie4170 2008-05-03 02:39PM | 0 recs
Re: They are electing the Chair and Co Chair

Don't forget to count Hillary's 200+ lead in super-delegates at a time when zero primary or caucus votes had been cast.

by Frood 2008-05-03 03:04PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama Leading Guam Caucuses

Funny how Puerto Rico, which has not yet voted, and Democrats Abroad, who have, have gotten so much more coverage than Guam. I didn't even know Guam was voting today until I saw it on CNN this morning. This is the first frontpage post tagged Guam on MyDD, too.

by Nathan Empsall 2008-05-03 11:54AM | 0 recs
Re: Obama Leading Guam Caucuses

Well, at least with Puerto Rico, its partically because (1) It has a lot of delagates, more than Oregon IIRC, and (2) It's effectively the last contest - Montana and South Dakota follow it, but have few delegates, and I believe are expected to vote Obama.  Therefore, PR gets a lot of press because it is likely to be the absolute end of the process; if Sen. Clinton cannot eclipse Obama in whatever metric you choose, then she is not likely to thereafter.

by coronado 2008-05-03 12:09PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama Leading Guam Caucuses

Just out of curiosity, since you brought up Puerto Rico, do you (or anyone else, really) know if PR's delegates each get their own vote or if they get half votes, as is the case in Guam and (I think) Dems Abroad?

by CrazyDrumGuy 2008-05-03 12:54PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama Leading Guam Caucuses

Full vote at the convention for PR.

by RJEvans 2008-05-03 01:54PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama Leading Guam Caucuses
After 18 districts have been counted, Sen. Barack Obama maintains about 54 percent of the vote, leading Sen. Hillary Clinton in the Democratic caucus. One of the largest districts, Dededo, still hasn't been counted toward the total vote, however. The other two districts yet to be counted are Agat and Yona.
http://guampdn.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article ?AID=/20080504/NEWS01/80504015
by politicsmatters 2008-05-03 11:55AM | 0 recs
Re: Obama Leading Guam Caucuses

Guam Super Delegate Pilar Lujan endorsed Obama today and Guam Super Delegate Jaime Paulino has said he would go with the winner of the popular vote.

Obama picked up another 3 Super Delegates today in Md. S.C. and N.M.

by Lefty Coaster 2008-05-03 11:55AM | 0 recs
Re: Obama Leading Guam Caucuses

It's Guamentum, baby!!!! ;-)

by LordMike 2008-05-03 11:57AM | 0 recs
Re: Obama Leading Guam Caucuses

As Guam goes, so goes the nation

by JitteryZeitgeist 2008-05-03 12:05PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama Leading Guam Caucuses

a tie then?

by swissffun 2008-05-03 12:07PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama Leading Guam Caucuses

so according to BO supporters math then that means HRC and BO tied --- he did NOT win Guam.

by swissffun 2008-05-03 12:06PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama Leading Guam Caucuses

Sure. If Texas is a tie.

by lizardbox 2008-05-03 12:11PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama Leading Guam Caucuses

I thought a win was a win was a win.

by SFValues 2008-05-03 12:17PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama Leading Guam Caucuses

No, that's only true when Hillary wins. Or possibly (I hope not) if Obama gets a narrow win in NC. We will soon see.

by vcalzone 2008-05-03 12:25PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama Leading Guam Caucuses

The difference with Texas is that Hillary supporters always say "Hillary won Texas" when they really mean "Hillary won the primary in Texas."  

In Guam, Obama will win the primary (the only election there) and they will tie in delegates.  It's a lot more correct to say Obama won Guam than to say Hillary won Texas.

by ProgressiveDL 2008-05-03 12:44PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama Leading Guam Caucuses

Actually I am an Obama supporter and I DO think it's a tie. If they get the same number of delegates it's a tie. Popular vote means nothing in this primary process, just as it meant nothing for Al Gore in 2000. Those are the rules.

by brimur 2008-05-03 12:46PM | 0 recs
here's the logic:

delegates first.  If that's a tie, then popular vote metrics come after that when it comes to the technicality of who "won" the state.

In terms of the metrics that matter, Guam will be a tie, though with a distinct advantage to Obama because the Guam superdelegates are actually elected as well, and Obama's superdelegates won.

But after that, if we need to discuss who won Guam, then certainly, Obama carries it (unless something weird happens in Dededo).

The logic holds: after the Nevada caucuses, Obama was projected to win more delegates, so we in the Obama camp claimed a win.  In New Hampshire, the delegates were a tie, but Clinton won the popular vote, so Clinton won the state.  We're consistent.

by hekebolos 2008-05-03 01:02PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama Leading Guam Caucuses

Grats BHO!

by zerosumgame 2008-05-03 12:09PM | 0 recs
The 9 votes...

is that after they have been cut in half?

I believe their votes count as half votes.

Also.. O has about a 7% lead right now.

by kevin22262 2008-05-03 12:13PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama Leading Guam Caucuses

Anybody here ever been to Guam?

Why doesn't American Samoa vote anymore?

by elrod 2008-05-03 12:19PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama Leading Guam Caucuses

I'm pretty sure American Samoa was part of tsunami Tuesday -- Clinton got 2 delegates to Obama's 1.

by frankies 2008-05-03 01:08PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama Leading Guam Caucuses

Clinton won American Samoa, 57% to 43%. Clinton got 6 delegates and Obama got 3. Half a vote at the convention. 3 and 1.5 respectively.

by RJEvans 2008-05-03 01:56PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama Leading Guam Caucuses
I know this is off-topic, but I'm thrilled how the Obama campaign is incorporating the gas tax issue into its core message as seen in the two minute closing argument ads for NC and IN.
http://thepage.time.com/2008/05/03/obama -makes-indiana-north-carolina-closing-ar gument-in-two-min-tv-ad/
by politicsmatters 2008-05-03 12:30PM | 0 recs
Obama Guam:Hillary NY, Ohio, Penn, CA, Fla., MI

How come after Hillary gets a win in a big state Primary, Obama wins in insignificant caucuses. Idaho, Guam, Wyoming and Nebraska are not where the Dem Victory in 2008 is going to be. They tell us nothing about November and Caucuses aren't even democratic.

by maxstar 2008-05-03 12:32PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama Guam:Hillary NY, Ohio, Penn, CA, Fla., M

Caucuses are not even democratic? That's a little strong don't you think? There are problems with every system of voting. One of the advantages of caucuses is that they measure intensity of support better and for a primary that is good because you both want your base to be motivated for your candidate in the general so that they are sure to vote and for them to use that energy to mobilize others. Additionally, no system is purely democratic. Requiring people to go to a poll is not as democratic as mail-in balloting, and mail-in balloting might be arguably less democratic than phone-in balloting. Ultimately the only criterion which defines how "democratic" an election system is, is whether there is a formal barrier to participation. There is not in any of these systems.

Furthermore, no one in the Clinton camp expressed that concern in 1992 when Bill Clinton  benefitted from caucuses, and Hillary did not change the system in the last 10 years when she had enormous influence over the party and could have changed it. She never even voiced a problem with caucuses.

by brimur 2008-05-03 12:44PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama Guam:Hillary NY, Ohio, Penn, CA, Fla., M

A system that requires an 85 year old lady to wait on line for 2 hours in subzero weather in the midwest is undemocratic. A system that requires working people with children to take off an evening of work and hire a babysitter is undemocratic. A system is undemocratic when people have to drive 70 miles to get to a caucus site. A system where young enthusiastic bully's  terrorize voters may be democratic in a third world country, but not in America.  We would all be outraged if we had caucuses during the General Election.  The Democratic party should try to be as democratic as our nation is.

by maxstar 2008-05-03 01:05PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama Guam:Hillary NY, Ohio, Penn, CA, Fla., M

I couldn't have expressed it better.

My first choice for the nomination was John Edwards, but even I'll tell you that based on the anecdotal evidence I heard from people in Iowa, there were literally thousands of "little old ladies" who vote at the polls in nearly every election, who expressed a preference for HRC, who didn't participate in the caucuses because they were held at night and because of the snow and ice on the ground.

by blueflorida 2008-05-03 01:14PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama Guam:Hillary NY, Ohio, Penn, CA, Fla., M

Point being, that caucuses can quite radically distort the outcome of elections.

by blueflorida 2008-05-03 01:14PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama Guam:Hillary NY, Ohio, Penn, CA, Fla., M

So can campaigning.

And being on the ballot.

by kyle in philly 2008-05-03 03:43PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama Guam:Hillary NY, Ohio, Penn, CA, Fla., M

dude, we had (by iowa standards) balmy weather for our caucuses. that's part of the reason it was such a joke that hillary blew so much of her $ buying snow shovels for those "little old ladies" to get out the door to the caucus.

by sunhaws 2008-05-03 02:12PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama Guam:Hillary NY, Ohio, Penn, CA, Fla., M

I worked in Iowa in 2004 and basically all there were at the caucus site were little old ladies. So no.

by brimur 2008-05-03 01:33PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama Guam:Hillary NY, Ohio, Penn, CA, Fla., M

If Clinton had won those caucuses, you wouldn't be complaining. This is what really bothers me about Clinton supporters, and group thought in general; it's not about what's right, but what's right in the context of Clinton becoming president. All of a sudden, caucuses are an undemocratic process that alienates and disenfranchises voters who would otherwise participate in the democratic process; all of a sudden, caucus voters are victims of a group of well-imagined, but conveniently poorly-documented young Obama supporters, who force them out of a vote; all of a sudden, the election has become about republican fairness, something we never heard about from either of the candidates or their supporters before Clinton's perpetual losing act in caucus states.

by Covin 2008-05-03 02:23PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama Guam:Hillary NY, Ohio, Penn, CA, Fla., M

Uh, no offense, but Hillary's wins in New York state and Massachusetts also tell us nothing about November.

by ProgressiveDL 2008-05-03 12:45PM | 0 recs
They tell us nothing

They tell us nothing about November

That is correct. Obama had (delegate) victories in Alaska, Hawaii, Washington, Idaho, Nevada, Utah, Wyoming, Colorado, North Dakota, Nebraska, Kansas, Texas, Minnesota, Iowa, Louisiana, Wisconsin, Illinois, Mississippi, Alabama, Georgia, South Carolina, Virginia, Maryland, Delaware, Connecticut, Vermont, Maine, DC, the Virgin Islands, and among Democrats abroad.

Will he win any of these states in November? Some yes, some no. But a solid victory in Idaho during the nomination race most certainly does not translate into a general election victory. So yes, you are correct.

Clinton, however, has won (delegate) victories in California, Arizona, New Mexico, Oklahoma, Arkansas, Tennessee, Ohio, Pennsylvania, New Jersey, New York, Massachussetts, and American Samoa.

Will she win any of these in November, if somehow she's the nominee? Like Obama, some yes, some no. As with Obama, a solid victory in Oklahoma does not mean Clinton puts that state in play.

The fact of the matter is, these are two different campaigns, and winning or losing states in the primaries and caucuses has nothing to do with general election viability, and that goes for both candidates. If it didn't work like that, then John Kerry would have won in a 47-state blowout!

Obama's team did a fantastic job planning for the nomination campaign, and they came up with a winning strategy. Clinton's team... did not. I have no doubt that, once nominated, Obama's campaign team will come up with an equally effective strategy for the general election.

by Fitzy 2008-05-03 02:17PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama Leading Guam Caucuses

Obama winning a caucus? And it's Guam? Wowsers....I'm totally impressed.

by aroundtheblock 2008-05-03 12:41PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama Leading Guam Caucuses

This is all tongue in cheek, you know.

by politicsmatters 2008-05-03 12:49PM | 0 recs
1 district to go

Dededo still out, but they are the largest by far.

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Blue HRC
Green BO

by DaveOinSF 2008-05-03 12:43PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama Leading Guam Caucuses

OBAMA WINS GUAM???? HILLARY NEEDS TO DROP OUT NOW

by zcflint05 2008-05-03 12:43PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama Leading Guam Caucuses

Well, the saying is...as Guam goes, so goes the general.

Wait, that isn't the saying?  ;)

by mascho 2008-05-03 12:52PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama Leading Guam Caucuses

No, Puerto Rico is the state... er, commonwealth that matters!

by CrazyDrumGuy 2008-05-03 12:58PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama Leading Guam Caucuses

they are separated by about 200 votes per cnn, with dededo still to be counted

by california voter 2008-05-03 01:02PM | 0 recs
by politicsmatters 2008-05-03 01:04PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama Leading Guam Caucuses

BTW, this is a huge "village." It has about 28% of the entire population of Guam. So Clinton could win the territory.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dededo,_Gua m
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dededo,_Gua m

by politicsmatters 2008-05-03 01:13PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama Leading Guam Caucuses

Given that Obama is leading the other 72% of the territory by 5.4, Clinton would need to win Dededo by roughly 13.9% to win the overall popular vote.  That's not out of the realm of possibility, but it's a long shot.

by Frood 2008-05-03 03:16PM | 0 recs
Guam goes OGuama

by Lefty Coaster 2008-05-03 01:05PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama Leading Guam Caucuses

I'm a bit surprised that the Clinton campaign didn't try sending President or Senator Clinton to Guam in-person just to put maximum effort into this contest and to put another "W" on the board, and further their momentum narrative.

by blueflorida 2008-05-03 01:09PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama Leading Guam Caucuses

According to KUAM, the local tele station, Dededo is the largest part of Guam, and it is still out. The most recent numbers I can find are Obama 52.7%, Clinton 47.3%. Don't know if these are the most updated, as they appear to be from about 45 mins ago.

by arkansasdemocrat 2008-05-03 01:15PM | 0 recs
Who's leading in Diddlydoodah?

Am I the only one giggling at the word Dededo?

by bowiegeek 2008-05-03 01:29PM | 0 recs
Re: Who's leading in Diddlydoodah?
Time is waiting in the wings....his trick is you and me...
by Jeter 2008-05-03 02:49PM | 0 recs
Re: Who's leading in Diddlydoodah?

I look at my watch, it says 9:25 and I think "Oh God I'm still alive!" ;)

by bowiegeek 2008-05-03 03:09PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama Leading Guam Caucuses

I love the way Guam might actually "count" should Clinton end up winning it.

by politicsmatters 2008-05-03 01:35PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama Leading Guam Caucuses

Fascinating how much spin is coming out of Guam.

Guam--where momentum begins!

by mikelow1885 2008-05-03 01:35PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama Leading Guam Caucuses

Well, it is tomorrow there today.

by politicsmatters 2008-05-03 01:38PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama Leading Guam Caucuses

Talk left checked to see where Obama had his HQ for the island and he had it in a small village.

by Ga6thDem 2008-05-03 01:43PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama Leading Guam Caucuses

I hate thowse superdelegates...

its highly unlikely Clinton can catch up..

by alright 2008-05-03 01:49PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama Leading Guam Caucuses
You do realize if it weren't for superdelegates, Obama would be even further ahead, right?
 
by Frood 2008-05-03 03:20PM | 0 recs
The machine.

"Bill Clinton visits key N.C. constituencies

Self-described "rural hitman" plans to visit nine eastern North Carolina towns on Monday."

9 stops.

Wow.

by gotalife 2008-05-03 01:51PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama Leading Guam Caucuses

Okay, when this happens in NC and IN will everyone please come together and start backing the LEADING Dem candidate?  The numbers are there for a win; it looks like Obama's decline in the polls has finally stemmed; and the momentum may actually start up again.  I've been a Hillary suppporter, but I have to say, Obama is impressive.  I will have no problem supporting him for the General.  I will have no problem supporting ANY DEM candidate in the general-- they are all way better than McSame. Time to end McSame's free ride.

by citizensane 2008-05-03 02:00PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama Leading Guam Caucuses

No thanks.

by alright 2008-05-03 02:13PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama Leading Guam Caucuses

No thanks to ending McSame's free ride?  Schmart vun, you are.

by danfromny 2008-05-03 02:26PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama Leading Guam Caucuses

Of course "alright" doesn't want to end McSame's free  ride.  It means alright can continue to complain  another 4 years of complaints.  I wonder if alright voted for Nadar back in 2000?! It's that type of thinking that gave us Bush.  Me?  I support Hillary, but I'm not dumb enough to spite myself by not voting for another Dem just because she's not the chosen one.  Geez, do you really want McSame?  THen start preparing yourself for the Dem candidate--WHOEVER that person may be!

by citizensane 2008-05-03 02:35PM | 0 recs
Exactly. Vote for the Dem!

I'm an Obama supporter, but come November I plan to  vote for the Dem candidate even if we run a tree stump with a rusty bucket as the VP.

TreeStump/RustyBucket '08  ;)

by protothad 2008-05-03 02:39PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama Leading Guam Caucuses

As much as I despise Clinton, even I see the vapid stupidity in allowing McCain a free ride to the White House. You would really allow a personal vendetta to interfere with your power to influence the future of this country?

by Covin 2008-05-03 02:31PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama Leading Guam Caucuses

You know what they say - as goes Guam ...

by danfromny 2008-05-03 02:34PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama Leading Guam Caucuses

Obama was supposed to win Guam by 11% per his spreadsheet, no?  

It's overseas and it's a caucus.  Those are two of his strongest election environments.  If he can't win Guam by 75%/25%, something is very wrong.

by BPK80 2008-05-03 02:37PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama Leading Guam Caucuses
27% of the vote is not yet counted and people are talking about the popular vote lead in Guam? Clinton may actually win Guam. This is an unexpectedly poor performance by Obama, based on the results reported so far. I wonder if that's why they are holding back the results. I don't believe Obama wins this one. This desperation to create momentum for Obama kind of contradicts statements that he has already won the nomination or is leading "by every conceivable metric". We'll see.
by Jeter 2008-05-03 02:45PM | 0 recs
Always in motion is the future...

... difficult to see.  Considering when that spreadsheet was leaked and how much the dynamics of any race shifts over time, I'm amazed that spreadsheet has held up as well as it has.  It is possible IN will be the first race it gets wrong, and even that is not certain yet.  As it is, he is still likely to end the race in a better pledged delegate position than the spreadsheet predicted.

by protothad 2008-05-03 02:47PM | 0 recs
Re: The Spreadsheet

Ah, thanks.  I missed that.

by protothad 2008-05-03 05:52PM | 0 recs
CNN called it! Obama won...

 but it seems like its about 50/50

by rigsoHC 2008-05-03 03:05PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama Leading Guam Caucuses

Holy Shit.  Obama only beat Hillary by 7 votes.  He should have won this with 75% of the vote.

by bdog 2008-05-03 03:06PM | 0 recs
7 Vote Obama Victory

Obama finished with 2,264 votes to Sen. Hillary Clinton's 2,257 votes - a 7-point difference

http://www.guampdn.com/apps/pbcs.dll/art icle?AID=/20080504/NEWS01/80504018

Hillary almost did it.

by stanleyconstant 2008-05-03 03:09PM | 0 recs
I Can't Believe the Spin on this site!

First, every Obama and Clinton operative thought this was a toss-up. So Todd, your spin on this is as it has consistently been. Guam went about as expected...even split.

But second, his super-delegate folks won handily, so the actual delegate count,  however paltry, will add more to his column.

Third, Hillary can't afford to break even anywhere right now.

Fourth, even if she wins Indiana, she'll be very lucky to come out of Tuesday with a 50-50 split for the night.

by markpsf 2008-05-03 03:12PM | 0 recs
Re: I Can't Believe the Spin on this site!

Let them spin, we will win.

by bdog 2008-05-03 03:15PM | 0 recs
Re: I Can't Believe the Spin on this site!

And by them I mean Obama.

And by we I mean regular folks who are the engine of Hillary's campaign.

Go Hillary Go!

by bdog 2008-05-03 03:16PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama Leading Guam Caucuses

Wow at 7 votes.

I am actually surprised Obama won it, i figured since America Samoa went so heavily to her, Guam would as well.

Did the Obama Super delegate team win as well?

by Bobby Obama 2008-05-03 03:15PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama Leading Guam Caucuses

Voters cast secret ballots in polling places as opposed to publicly aligning themselves in presidential candidate preference groups, as in more traditional caucuses, such as in Iowa and Nevada.

This is called a Caucus why?

So again i am surprised he won.  

And the Super delegate endorsing him won his race as well as did the undeclared who told local media he would cast his vote in Denver for the winner of the Caucus.

by Bobby Obama 2008-05-03 03:18PM | 0 recs
7 votes?

FUCK i am so bumed out.

by alright 2008-05-03 03:25PM | 0 recs
Re: 7 votes?

Stop the presses! demand a RECOUNT!

by eumc 2008-05-03 03:26PM | 0 recs
You gonna...

...troll rate and run??

by hootie4170 2008-05-03 03:55PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama Leading Guam Caucuses

If it wouldn't look as unseemly as it would, given the super at stake I might really demand a recount.  7 votes is just bizarre.

by mady 2008-05-03 03:34PM | 0 recs

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