Why Tonight Matters For Obama

During Barack Obama's North Carolina victory speech two weeks ago, I couldn't help but notice the complexion of those chosen to sit behind Obama as he spoke: it was a sea of white faces. The message being, of course, that despite what the media is telling you, Obama does not have a white voter problem. One suspects that's at least partially behind his choice of where he'll be speaking after his expected Oregon victory tonight:

Sen. Hillary Clinton will spend Tuesday night in Kentucky to celebrate what's expected to be a big win in that state's primary. But Sen. Barack Obama won't be in Oregon, even though he's favored to win that state's contest Tuesday.

The Illinois senator will appear at a rally in Iowa, where he kicked off the primary season with a January 3 caucus win -- a victory that helped propel him to Democratic front-runner status.

Yes, Iowa, the state that put Obama on the map as it were, and, perhaps more importantly, proved that he can win among white voters. Expect that to be the message out of tonight, driven both by his choice of Iowa as a venue from which to speak to supporters, but also by the actual results from tonight's Oregon primary. As Jeff at Blue Oregon notes, Oregon isn't exactly a paragon of diversity itself, nor is it, for the most part, a terribly wealthy state.

Enter Oregon.  Forget the People's Republic of Portland--the Beaver State is plenty hardscrabble.  Obama_waterfront Our median income is nearly $2,000 below the national average, our per-capita income is lower than the national average, we have more people in poverty, and we regularly have higher unemployment.  And of course, we're bone white--90.5%, tenth whitest in the nation.  Come tomorrow night, Obama will have notched another primary thanks to the broad support of whites, and pundits will be reminded that Obama did well with that demographic in Connecticut, Maryland, Missouri, Vermont, Virginia, and Wisconsin.

I think Jeff's right to conclude that

Oregon's central role in this election won't be putting Obama over the 50%-mark in pledged delegates (though we probably will do that).  Rather, it's in reminding everyone that his broad base of support includes whites and poorer voters.

Tags: 2008 Presidential election, Barack Obama, Democratic nomination, Oregon Primary (all tags)

Comments

98 Comments

Todd

I think the Plans are off for tonight...Obama should talk a lot about Kennedy and then announce a summer push for health care reform for all.

by cardboard 1 2008-05-20 11:16AM | 0 recs
Re: Todd

And Clinton?

by IowaMike 2008-05-20 11:22AM | 0 recs
Re: Todd

guess she should do the same...as long as she does not attack Obama that fine.  They should both begin a summer push for Health Care.

by cardboard 1 2008-05-20 11:28AM | 0 recs
Re: Todd

I second this. Obama should speak about Teddy Kennedy and have a low key event.

My 0.02 cents.

by spacemanspiff 2008-05-20 11:36AM | 0 recs
The problem: Talk Is Cheap

I listen to you folk and I can't help but wonder, how can people be so naive? The amount of money that is riding on whether the US institutes some kind of universal healthcare is huge. Basically, its the difference between what we are paying now in percentage of our GNP that is spent on healthcare, and the average for other developed nations. That is probably hundreds of billions, or even TRILLIONS of dollars on the line. The only comparable budget item, ANYWHERE on Earth, is the US defense budget.

When you have a financial motive that great, and 'stakeholders' so incredibly flush with money after SO many years of obscenely inflated prices, do you really think that the stakeholders are going to leave something as unpredictable as an election up to CHANCE?  

They can buy their own candidates. They can buy their own PR, they can buy ANYTHING.

Its going to be a long, HARD fight.

Thats why I am voting for Hillary. At least she and I are on the same page as far as goals go.

And she has her premium cap. Ive tried to figure out Obama's healthcare plan, in a way that makes sense.

But I haven't been able to figure out how he could possibly make it work without changing something big.

You can try it yourself.

http://demonstrations.wolfram.com/Advers eSelection/

by architek 2008-05-20 12:58PM | 0 recs
Watch ABC news tonight

Jake Tapper interviewed Obama. Some of it is about Kennedy.

by Sopianae 2008-05-20 01:27PM | 0 recs
Re: Why Tonight Matters For Obama

I would imagine he would say something like this:

1.  Our deepest condolences for Ted Kennedy

2.  We're going to push forward and continue because this country deserves real change

3.  Unity unity unity

In short, I think he's going to "act like he's been there before".  He's already won, and everyone knows it, so why go around touting it?

by The Great Gatsby 2008-05-20 11:20AM | 0 recs
Picky, I know, but

"condolences" are normally reserved for expressing sympathy to grieving families/individuals after suffering the loss of a loved one.  A bit premature, methinks.

by DaTruth 2008-05-20 12:10PM | 0 recs
I doubt he picks the faces on TV

At least not that carefully.  Are you trying to suggest he'd tell black people to move to the "back of the hall" so I can get more white faces up front?

Now, that said, I think there is strategy to his being in Iowa but I think it has more to do with time zones than skin color.

by SpanishFly 2008-05-20 11:22AM | 0 recs
Actually they do

All campaigns have event coordinators that pick who will be behind the candidate at a televised rally.  I remember the Daily Show interview, where the people behind Clinton were nearly all bored-looking multi-ethnic young people.

It's not that controvercial.

by Dracomicron 2008-05-20 11:45AM | 0 recs
Re: Actually they do

most of the time at these kind of events, they reserve the seating behind the 'person of interest' for a certain group of people. LIke students...

by alyssa chaos 2008-05-20 12:02PM | 0 recs
Re: Actually they do

Yes. In either Oregon or Iowa, it will be a sea of white people. If they pick people, maybe it should be some of the over 65 crowd.

by platy 2008-05-20 12:20PM | 0 recs
Tonight will be another

acknowledgment of the fact that the race is over. Hopefully we can move on to beating McCain.

by Firewall 2008-05-20 11:26AM | 0 recs
almost everyone has already moved on

it's only the most hardcore who are still hanging on. i mean really, out in the real world, teams clinton and obama are already coming together.  i see it here on the ground in texas (yea, texas) and it's happening across the country as well.

not that i blame them for hanging on, mind you, but i do think in the end it may prove to be a waste of time and resources for them.

by annatopia 2008-05-20 11:32AM | 0 recs
Unfortunately,

the race that's over is probably the general.

by RobinLB 2008-05-20 11:42AM | 0 recs
True

McCain doesn't stand a chance!

by Tatan 2008-05-20 11:44AM | 0 recs
Re: True

Yep! McSame couldn't beat either one of them. They could run a rubber chicken as VP and win.

by platy 2008-05-20 12:23PM | 0 recs
Re: Unfortunately,
Thsour Grapesth
by mikeinsf 2008-05-20 11:44AM | 0 recs
Re: Why Tonight Matters For Obama

I can't imagine going to Iowa has a single thing to do with the racial composition that will be behind him while speaking.  It just doesn't make any sense, since Oregon is 90+% white and only about 2% black (Asians and Hispanics are larger minorities there).  Iowa is all about the symbolism of ending the primary and beginning the general election.

by soccerandpolitics 2008-05-20 11:36AM | 0 recs
Re: Why Tonight Matters For Obama

Yes, that's what I read, too. The racial demographics  don't differ much. Lilly white.

by platy 2008-05-20 12:26PM | 0 recs
Re: Why Tonight Matters For Obama

You know, it's rather sad that this myth has to be debunked in the first place.  It's like all of the white states he won before the Appalachia-related primaries suddenly mean nothing.  Do people really have such short attention spans?

by rfahey22 2008-05-20 11:39AM | 0 recs
Re: Why Tonight Matters For Obama

People are impressed by flashy numbers. Apparently "zomg 40% in West Virginia!" out-trumps smaller wins and caucus states.

by Massadonious 2008-05-20 11:44AM | 0 recs
Re: Why Tonight Matters For Obama

The lie that Obama has a problem with white voters was actually pretty disgusting.

by catalysis 2008-05-20 11:46AM | 0 recs
Re: Why Tonight Matters For Obama

Except for white women over 50, Obama has done just fine with whites.

by Angry White Democrat 2008-05-20 11:53AM | 0 recs
Re: Why Tonight Matters For Obama

Indeed, and this is probably more a reflection of Clinton's strength than Obama's weakness.

by Covin 2008-05-20 02:00PM | 0 recs
Yep

I mean, did they go into the problem Hillary has with black voters?  

by lollydee 2008-05-20 11:59AM | 0 recs
Hillary's "problem"?

Black voters have voted for the black candidate almost unamimously.  That's not "Hillary's problem", but everyone tip-toes around it.  It is what it is, and it's pretty ridiculous to suggest that black voters believe monolithically that Obama would make a better president than Clinton.
They're voting for one of their own, plain and simple.  

For all the pathetic talk of racism in this primary season, what's been posted above is part and parcel of the fact that where white voters have been concerned, there isn't, by and large, a hesitancy to vote for a black candidate (thank God).  The real question is, will black voters --when there's both black and white candidates in a race such as this-- vote for a white candidate?

I'm hoping that if Obama does make it to the presidency, this monolithic voting bloc will morph into simply voting for the candidate individuals feel is best for the job.  

by DaTruth 2008-05-20 12:19PM | 0 recs
Re: Hillary's "problem"?

They will. Don't forget, Hillary started out with the AA vote. All the way to SC.

by platy 2008-05-20 12:33PM | 0 recs
Re: Hillary's "problem"?

Us black voters have no problem voting  for whites. Ask John Edwards or Steve Cohen. Look how well Alan Keyes does.

We WERE for Clinton. She LOST us.

by heresjohnny 2008-05-20 12:52PM | 0 recs
Re: Hillary's "problem"?

She didn't lose me.

by Zeitgeist9000 2008-05-20 01:46PM | 0 recs
Re: Hillary's "problem"?

You're one of the few.

by heresjohnny 2008-05-20 04:46PM | 0 recs
Re: Hillary's "problem"?

When did we ever have a choice?!  As far as I know, I've been voting for white presidential candidates all of my life, and we don't vote in a huge mindless block.  We're supporting Obama, yes, but I can guarantee it would be a different story if it were Al Sharpton running against Hillary.  I, for one, would be team Hillary.

He's a great candidate who happens to be black, and HELL YEAH, I'm voting for him because he IS best for the job.

by lollydee 2008-05-20 01:50PM | 0 recs
Whoa there, buddy!

Black people have been voting for white politicians since well before you or I have been around. I think that's a very ignorant question for you to ask.

They are voting for Obama not only because they might think he's the better candidate, but also out of pride. And it's empowering for them.

by Covin 2008-05-20 02:07PM | 0 recs
Re: Why Tonight Matters For Obama

Yes, Hillary said it once and the media just keep hammering on it. They can't distinguish Appalachia from the white states he's done very well in. (Or more likely, they just don't want to.)

by platy 2008-05-20 12:30PM | 0 recs
Re: Why Tonight Matters For Obama

I see where you're going here, but I think you miss the point.

It's not which demographics Obama can attract versus Clinton, it's which battleground states each candidate can swing to the blue column come November.

When you look at the states won so far by each campaign, Obama comes up short.

by leisure 2008-05-20 11:43AM | 0 recs
Boggles the mind

When you look at the states won so far by each campaign, Obama comes up short.

Simply amazing.

by Dracomicron 2008-05-20 11:49AM | 0 recs
Re: Why Tonight Matters For Obama

So you believe that Hillary would win Arizona and lose Illinois?

by Angry White Democrat 2008-05-20 11:54AM | 0 recs
Re: Why Tonight Matters For Obama

no matter how many times they say it. i dont think Arizona swinging for Obama is possible.

by alyssa chaos 2008-05-20 12:04PM | 0 recs
Re: Why Tonight Matters For Obama

I don't think you understand the post you're responding to.

by The Animal 2008-05-20 12:13PM | 0 recs
Oregon should be the end of the trail for Hillary

If not it won't matter much in the larger picture. Obama as already focused on McPain.

by Lefty Coaster 2008-05-20 11:44AM | 0 recs
Re: Why Tonight Matters For Obama

You've got to be kidding?  To pretend that the white vote in Oregon is anything like the white vote in Pennsylvania, Ohio, West Virginia and Indiana is ridiculous. Him winning Oregon tonight does nothing to prove he has overcome "demographics is destiny".  If he would've compaigned in Kentucky and tried to narrow her lead there, THAT would have been compelling!

by sgdavis73 2008-05-20 11:50AM | 0 recs
Re: Why Tonight Matters For Obama

Male median income in Oregon: $41,536; Kentucky: $39,595; Female median income in Oregon: $32,390; Kentucky: $29,392

try again

by obamaovermccain 2008-05-20 11:53AM | 0 recs
Well, he's getting the hillbilly for obama vote...

who are you talking about? the confederate flag wearing WVians who can't seem to grasp that they seceeded from Virginia over slavery?? (seriously, anyone from WV care to take a stab at why people do that???)

by BlogSurrogate57 2008-05-20 12:07PM | 0 recs
Re: Well, he's getting the hillbilly for obama

haha

by obamaovermccain 2008-05-20 12:08PM | 0 recs
It's not that difficult

They didn't secede from Virginia because they were concerned over the plight of the African people in bonds, they seceded from Virginia because they hated the wealthy plantation owners.  They didn't want to fight for a way of life that didn't benefit them.

That's the common belief, at least.

by Dracomicron 2008-05-20 12:13PM | 0 recs
there was significant pro-confederate sentiment

especially in the eastern counties.

by JJE 2008-05-20 12:20PM | 0 recs
thanks for the schoolin'

by BlogSurrogate57 2008-05-20 12:27PM | 0 recs
Re: Why Tonight Matters For Obama

If you look at the results more carefully, Obama's "white vote problem" is concentrated in the Appalachians. That can be made up for in a number of ways. They tend to be Republican, anyway. So not much making up has to be done.

by platy 2008-05-20 12:39PM | 0 recs
Re: Why Tonight Matters For Obama

Wishful thinking. Let's chat on November 6th once you all have stopped crying.

by sgdavis73 2008-05-20 12:58PM | 0 recs
Re: Why Tonight Matters For Obama

thanks for the future prediction karnack

by obamaovermccain 2008-05-20 01:03PM | 0 recs
Re: Why Tonight Matters For Obama

I'm not sure if or how long I'll be crying for joy, but I doubt I'll come looking for you.

Thanks, though.

by platy 2008-05-20 01:38PM | 0 recs
Full Circle

This has more to do with the symbolism of ending the pledged delegate race in the state that his ascendancy began than proving anything about white voters.

Obama knows people eat that kind of thing right up.

by Dracomicron 2008-05-20 11:51AM | 0 recs
Re: Why Tonight Matters For Obama

Male median income in Oregon: $41,536; Kentucky: $39,595; Female median income in Oregon: $32,390; Kentucky: $29,392

hmm seems to me Obama doesn't have a white working class problem.

by obamaovermccain 2008-05-20 11:53AM | 0 recs
Re: Why Tonight Matters For Obama

Well he did in the Democratic primary in PA. I hope these people vote Obama in the fall. In the primary, however, yes he has been weak with the working class whites in the primary. I don't understand why Obama supporters (I am one now...the primary is over IMO) cannot see this. These huge landslide for Obama is NOT going to happen...we are going to have to work very hard for a win.

by Airb330 2008-05-20 12:01PM | 0 recs
Re: Why Tonight Matters For Obama

Good god sorry about the typos and horrible syntax. My 15 page grad paper has fried my brain!

by Airb330 2008-05-20 12:02PM | 0 recs
You can repeat this meme

from now until election day, but 1+1 will never equal 3, whether you're an Obama supporter, a Clinton supporter, or a McCain fan.

Obama does just fine with "working class whites".

by Firewall 2008-05-20 12:04PM | 0 recs
Re: You can repeat this meme

I would like to believe this...and I think he will do ok with this demographic in the GE...but in the primary he has been weak with that demographic. My boyfriend's entire family (5 people) voted for Clinton and now plan on voting for McCain. I sincerely hope they are an outlier in that demographic. Is there some Wilder effect going on? I'm sorry, but no one wants to address these issues and just pretend Obama is going to win in some landslide (not here at Mydd, but at Dkos, you'd think he's already won the GE). I'm going to work very hard for Obama this fall, and hopefully start with my boyfriend's family haha. The more we all understand some of these issues, the better we can address them. (For instance, his family says "we can't trust Obama" for whatever that is worth...)

by Airb330 2008-05-20 12:14PM | 0 recs
Re: You can repeat this meme

Good to have you aboard! The problem is in the Appalachian Mountains. WV is his worst state, and it's the only one that is completely in "them thar hills". Penn., KY, Ohio were bad, but not as bad as WV. He did well in NC because because only the western tip is Appalachian, and even there Asheville is an island of Progressives.

The campaign knows this. Honestly, I don't think campaigning in WV would help much. I think they plan to make it up with GOTV new voters. Many of the areas are too Repub. to worry about, anyway.

There's not much of a white vote problem outside of these areas. Look how well he does in other "white" states.

by platy 2008-05-20 01:03PM | 0 recs
Re: Why Tonight Matters For Obama

No one said it will be easy, hell even Obama will concede this.  My point is and thread down and you can see he does not have a working class problem, but that perception has been ingrained in our heads by Hillary and her supporters.  Why can't we just agree that we have two good candidates and people WILL vote for either of them come November?

by obamaovermccain 2008-05-20 12:05PM | 0 recs
we will have to work hard...

but oddsmakers are putting it at 5% McCain in November. ;-)

Yeah, in PA he did have a working class problem. Well, that is, if you don't remember that middle class starts at 150,000 (across the country, mind). EE! In that case, I guess he didn't do quite as bad as people say.

Err... and that makes the 'working class' into the lower-lower class.

by BlogSurrogate57 2008-05-20 12:24PM | 0 recs
Re: Why Tonight Matters For Obama

Not a white workin class problem.

Just a swing state problem.

by leisure 2008-05-20 02:02PM | 0 recs
Re: Why Tonight Matters For Obama

The latest Gallup poll finds:

by nwodtuhs 2008-05-20 11:57AM | 0 recs
Re: Why Tonight Matters For Obama

you are awesome!

by obamaovermccain 2008-05-20 12:01PM | 0 recs
Re: Why Tonight Matters For Obama

While good news...its a bit misleading regarding "working class whites". The high school graduate or less column is surely to include AAs. It's good to see Hispanics accepting Obama though :) What % did Kerry and Gore receive of this "working class whites" demographic that the MSM is so obsessed with anyway?

by Airb330 2008-05-20 12:05PM | 0 recs
They got less than half...

and I'm going to start referring to the demographic as the lowerlower class, because it is more accurate (working class is upper lower class)

by BlogSurrogate57 2008-05-20 12:25PM | 0 recs
Re: Why Tonight Matters For Obama

i doubt these figures. i dont think the hispanic vote has quite swinged over to Barack quite yet.

by alyssa chaos 2008-05-20 12:06PM | 0 recs
Bill Richardson?

by Massadonious 2008-05-20 12:17PM | 0 recs
Yep

This ought to be a front page story here.  He's winning everything but women over 50, from what I read elsewhere.

by SpanishFly 2008-05-20 12:15PM | 0 recs
Here's the link to the breakdown:

Key Clinton Constituencies Moving Toward Obama

by Sopianae 2008-05-20 01:42PM | 0 recs
Re: Why Tonight Matters For Obama

Armando did a whole analysis over at Talk Left.

Obama loses the white vote overwhelmingly with a few exceptions.

Of course he gets white voters, but he doesn't do well with them overall.

Just a fact.

Obama can spin all he wants but he needs to address this problem -- and bloggers contorting the facts are not going to help him address a true deficit he has that he needs to confront if he has any chance of winning in November.

Just because he wins Oregon doesn't mean he dopesn't have a problem.

He does. I listen to what people say in private and my head isn't in the sand.

by GregNYC 2008-05-20 12:03PM | 0 recs
Bill clinton didn't win the white vote...

in either election. we haven't won the white vote since LBJ. no wonder we care so much about Jews Blacks and Latinos!!

by BlogSurrogate57 2008-05-20 12:29PM | 0 recs
Re: Bill clinton didn't win the white vote...

Bill Clinton did marginally win it.

No one else did and they all lost.

Hmmm...

by GregNYC 2008-05-20 12:39PM | 0 recs
by BlogSurrogate57 2008-05-20 12:47PM | 0 recs
No he didn't

He lost it to Bush in 1992 and Dole in 1996. Please do some research on the subject before posting again.

by Angry White Democrat 2008-05-20 01:22PM | 0 recs
Again

Except for white women over 50, Obama has done just fine with white voters. That's just a fact.

by Angry White Democrat 2008-05-20 12:32PM | 0 recs
Re: Again

That's a huge block.

And he has done poorly with white men in many other places too - splitting the difference.

Just fine is not good enough.

by GregNYC 2008-05-20 12:38PM | 0 recs
Re: Again

Dems always lose the white working class. They're generally Republicans. Luckily they're not our base.

by heresjohnny 2008-05-20 12:55PM | 0 recs
Just fine is good enough

Al Gore got 39% of the white vote in 2000 and won the nationwide popular vote by half a million votes.

by Angry White Democrat 2008-05-20 01:20PM | 0 recs
Re: Why Tonight Matters For Obama

what I never get is how you can compare primaries to general elections. Cuz ALL of the variables are different. If working class whites or whatever, choose Clinton over Obama in a primary, why is it assumed that Obama loses them if to McCain? The most logical choice would be your second favorite, the Democrat Obama. (It is a Democratic primary, afterall) Why would you go to your theoretically last choice, McCain?

Secondly, the people who are voting in the general are totally different than those who vote in the primaries. So again, I fail to see how primaries reveal anything other than who the party wants at the head of the ticket.

by Metrobot 2008-05-20 01:25PM | 0 recs
Re: Why Tonight Matters For Obama

He's got this white working guys vote and rest of his family's vote from Michigan.

by GeeMan 2008-05-20 04:25PM | 0 recs
a different kind of poor

"Obama will have notched another primary thanks to the broad support of whites, and pundits will be reminded that Obama did well with that demographic in Connecticut, Maryland, Missouri, Vermont, Virginia, and Wisconsin."

Many points:

1. Clinton nearly won MO on the strength of the outstate vote.

  1. Connecticut has a yuppie-leaning Dem electorate.
  2. 1/3 of Maryland's Dem primary electorate is black, so Obama didn't need too many more whites to even win. I'd have to check if Clinton won white Dems in this state, though.
  3. Vermont is the Berkeley of the east.
  4. Virginia has a yuppie-leaning Dem electorate.
  5. Wisconsin has a history of progressivism dating back to the early 20th century (Clinton did win white Dems in this open primary); Oregon is probably that same progressive mold for whatever reason.

I get the impression that a lot of people moved to Oregon back in the late 70s and early 80s just to get out of rat race of earning more and more money, so to say that the median income is less should come with the caveat that some Oregonians prefer it that way.

by Zeitgeist9000 2008-05-20 12:05PM | 0 recs
Re: a different kind of poor

Is this a snark?

by cardboard 1 2008-05-20 12:07PM | 0 recs
Re: a different kind of poor

I only speak sarcastically when it's to the detriment of your candidate.

by Zeitgeist9000 2008-05-20 12:09PM | 0 recs
Re: a different kind of poor

then that is a whole slew of generalizations which ought not be made...kind of a pathetic comment

by cardboard 1 2008-05-20 12:09PM | 0 recs
Re: a different kind of poor

Which comment troubles you?

by Zeitgeist9000 2008-05-20 12:14PM | 0 recs
Re: a different kind of poor

The whole comment suggest that those folks you see as "yuppies" do not even count as white folks...not to mention the whole argument here, the Obama cannot when White votes, is ridiculous.  The whole conversation coming from the Clinton Campaign is so divorced from reality it is getting silly.

by cardboard 1 2008-05-20 12:17PM | 0 recs
Re: a different kind of poor

are you serious?

by obamaovermccain 2008-05-20 12:09PM | 0 recs
Re: a different kind of poor

And what is wrong with having a history of progressivism?

I'm sorry but only #3 is a valid point, but still could be said in a more constructive manner.

Please post less inf amatory remarks regarding Democrats...we are here TO ELECT DEMOCRATS!

by Airb330 2008-05-20 12:17PM | 0 recs
Re: Why Tonight Matters For Obama

play it up, barack play it up.

by alyssa chaos 2008-05-20 12:07PM | 0 recs
At least the guy is honest!

CNN was interviewing voters in Kentucky this morning.  Asked what advice the obviously "hard working" 60ish gentleman had for the candidates:

To Hillary: Stop lying.

To Barack:  Stop being so black.

At least he was honest!  Why even try in Kentucky and West Virginia?  Lying?  That is a character flaw a person can overcome.  Skin pigmentation?  Not so much.  

   

by Rick in Eugene 2008-05-20 12:10PM | 0 recs
Re: At least the guy is honest!

The interviewed a West Virginia Voter who said -

"I'm going to vote for the colored guy," an 87-year old retired carpenter in the Napa Auto Parts hat pointed out. "I don't dislike her, but I don't think a woman can be president of the United States. I don't think she can handle the job."

Sometime choices are just that hard

by cardboard 1 2008-05-20 12:15PM | 0 recs
Re: At least the guy is honest!

Haha, this guy made me laugh. Who says "colored" anymore? Wow....anyway, glad he is voting for Obama!

by Airb330 2008-05-20 12:18PM | 0 recs
Dude, you shoulda heard the caller from Texas

(radio show, two people on air taking calls)
So they take a call of an elderly gentleman, and they ask
"are you voting for Hillary?"
And he's off on a rant, talking this and talking that, and finally he asks "Who's that N!gger running?"
And you could hear the pause as the two radiopeople looked at each other, realizing that they might have a crazy man on the show.
"You mean Barack Obama?"
"Yeah, I'ma vote for him"

Sad to say, some people are forgetful in their old age about language. But hey, I got a laugh out of it.

by BlogSurrogate57 2008-05-20 12:35PM | 0 recs
Re: Why Tonight Matters For Obama
It was Iowa when it changed. Not only did Obama win but Clinton was 3rd. He took a delegate lead that never left. So tonight we complete one of the circles. The wider circle of SD's is closing.
They will cue SD's between now and 6/3.
Kennedy should be the focus...the Iowa presence will speak for itself...
As an Edwards supporter, I too was not ready to realize how focused and ready Obama was. I am certainly aware now. To have a bi-racial man barely defeat a woman to become our candidate still has not really sunken in. January 2001 marked the beginning of perhaps the ugliest chapter in our nations history. January 2009 will in fact be a new dawn.
by nogo postal 2008-05-20 12:11PM | 0 recs
More statistics on Oregon

In Oregon, the median household income is $41,000, and 10 percent of households report annual income in excess of $100,000. Twenty-six percent of Oregon homes are valued in excess of $200,000.

Comparing by education achievement: 25 percent of Oregonians have college degrees; 17 percent of Kentuckians do.

by Zeitgeist9000 2008-05-20 01:49PM | 0 recs
by alex100 2008-05-20 02:08PM | 0 recs
Re: Why Tonight Matters For Obama

oregon - poor, white???? come on! you need to break down where Obama wins and where he loses in Oregon. If he wins Oregon by winning the cities (Portland, Eugene), college towns (Corvallis) and silicon valley of the north (Willamette Valley) then this just strengthens the current argument against Obama.

by swissffun 2008-05-20 02:30PM | 0 recs
Re: Why Tonight Matters For Obama

Sounds like a Hillary kind of argument. When Obama wins she really wins. And obviously when she wins that is her win also. I've been hearing that a lot lately from their camp. She tried that after NC as I recall. It amazing she isn't winning the nomination since she seems to be the one that makes the rules of what winning really is as she sees fit.

by GeeMan 2008-05-20 04:36PM | 0 recs

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