Bush's Last Throes

As Bush's disastrous tenure as president winds down, we've seen him devolve into a bizarre, almost court jester-like persona.  He's really not even trying anymore, and the more obvious that has become, the further his approval ratings have continued to plummet. But perhaps in a new low for Bush, demonstrating that he truly has no shame and has absolutely no interest in salvaging any ounce of dignity from his final year in office -- and indeed that he intends to play bad cop in the general election -- Mr. 27%, on a trip to Israel to celebrate the nation's 60th anniversary, took the opportunity in his speech to liken Obama to Nazi appeasers.

"Some seem to believe we should negotiate with terrorists and radicals, as if some ingenious argument will persuade them they have been wrong all along," Bush said at Israel's 60th anniversary celebration in Jerusalem.

"We have heard this foolish delusion before," Bush said in remarks to Israel's parliament, the Knesset. "As Nazi tanks crossed into Poland in 1939, an American senator declared: 'Lord, if only I could have talked to Hitler, all of this might have been avoided.' We have an obligation to call this what it is -- the false comfort of appeasement, which has been repeatedly discredited by history."

And in case you were wondering if he was being ambiguous, while he may not have named Obama by name...

White House aides privately acknowledged the remarks were aimed at the presidential candidate and others in his party.

Imagine for a moment a Democratic president criticizing the foreign policy of a Republican presidential candidate on foreign soil, let alone going to Israel to draw a Nazi comparison. Oh, right, my bad, it's OK if you're a Republican...

But in case anyone feared Obama intends to let himself be swiftboated, Obama hit back fast.

"It is sad that President Bush would use a speech to the Knesset on the 60th anniversary of Israel's independence to launch a false political attack," Obama said in a statement released to CNN by his campaign. "It is time to turn the page on eight years of policies that have strengthened Iran and failed to secure America or our ally Israel...."

"George Bush knows that I have never supported engagement with terrorists, and the president's extraordinary politicization of foreign policy and the politics of fear do nothing to secure the American people or our stalwart ally Israel," Obama's statement said.

As did Howard Dean:

"On the same day John McCain is talking about putting partisanship aside, the President launched a cheap political attack while on a state visit honoring the 60th anniversary of Israel, one of America's greatest allies. Bush's outrageous comments are an embarrassment to our country, not based in fact and bring us no closer to our goal of ending terrorist attacks against Israel and bringing peace to the region. If John McCain is really serious about being a different kind of Republican, he'll denounce these remarks in the strongest terms possible."

2008 is going to be ugly. Not only is Bush in his last throes -- desperate for relevancy to the point of not caring -- so is the entire Republican Party. This sort of attack, which harkens back to their 2004 campaign, is, of course, all they have and we can expect plenty more over the course of the rest of the year. They really don't seem to get that this shit doesn't work anymore. The country has moved on.

Update [2008-5-15 16:4:5 by Todd Beeton]:Joe Biden gets the prize for best response:

“This is bullshit, this is malarkey. This is outrageous, for the president of the United States to go to a foreign country, to sit in the Knesset . . . and make this kind of ridiculous statement.”

“He is the guy who has weakened us,” he said. “He has increased the number of terrorists in the world. It is his policies that have produced this vulnerability that the U.S. has. It’s his [own] intelligence community [that] has pointed this out, not me.”

Biden noted that Secretary of Defense Robert Gates and Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice have both suggested that the United States ought to find a way to talk more with its enemies.

"If he thinks this is appeasement, is he going to come back and fire his own cabinet?” Biden asked. “Is he going to fire Condi Rice?”

Message: we will not be swiftboated.

Update [2008-5-15 16:17:37 by Todd Beeton]:And Hillary Clinton responds, via CNN:

"Bush's comparison of any Democrat to Nazi appeasers is both offensive and outrageous. In light of his failures in foreign policy, this is the kind of statement that has no place in any presidential address and certainly to use an important moment like the 60th anniversary of Israel to make a political point seems terribly misplaced."

Tags: 2008 Presidential election, Barack Obama, George Bush (all tags)

Comments

65 Comments

Re: Bush's Last Throes

He's lashing out because he's angry that he had to give up golfing.  What a punk.

by rfahey22 2008-05-15 11:16AM | 0 recs
Re: Bush's Last Throes

If you smell sensationalism, failed foreign policy and rusty campaign year tactics that smack of news media entertainment, then you are picking up a Karl Rove somewhere.

by Trey Rentz 2008-05-15 12:40PM | 0 recs
Bush's grandfather had a LONG association with

the Nazis. Do people realize that?

He was also (later) a Senator from Connecticut.

by architek 2008-05-15 01:03PM | 0 recs
Re: Bush's grandfather had a LONG association with

Larisa Alexandrovna wrote this in response to the near psychopathic statements by our Coward-in-Chief:
http://www.atlargely.com/2008/05/all-the -preside.html

She is amazingly brave for putting her thoughts to "paper" and signing them in this "Free America" we live in.

by lizzie 2008-05-15 07:45PM | 0 recs
Does he want to go "there"?

Does he want to invite comparisons to his family's ties to the Nazi government?

by RandyMI 2008-05-15 11:19AM | 0 recs
Re: Does he want to go "there"?

I wish Biden or someone .. would bring that up .. that Boosh's granddaddy was a sympathizer .. I guess it is left to KO to bring it up tonight .. which I damn sure hope he will

by Calvin Jones and the 13th Apostle 2008-05-15 12:29PM | 0 recs
He wasn't just a 'sympathizer'

Its a long and convoluted story, and parts of it only recently came out.

His association appears to have lasted after 1941-

:o

by architek 2008-05-15 01:06PM | 0 recs
Re: He wasn't just a 'sympathizer'

Weird, I never heard about this.  Where kind I find  the short-form history of this? (not that I need yet another reason to hate that SOB.)

by haystax calhoun 2008-05-15 02:21PM | 0 recs
Re: He wasn't just a 'sympathizer'
Here, try this:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2004/sep /25/usa.secondworldwar
by Ian S 2008-05-15 05:00PM | 0 recs
Re: Bush's Last Throes

When a President takes office he finds a checkbook on the Oval office desk that has an ample supply of credibility. Bush depleted that supply long ago and has tried to "stay relevant' by vetos and outrageous comments. This is just another example of how the American people so misjudged this guy. I hope the new Dem President has a couple of cases of Lysol to fumigate the White House. Bush certainly has stunk up the place.

by fillphil 2008-05-15 11:20AM | 0 recs
Re: Bush's Last Throes

I agree the Nazi reference was off the hook, but Obama is going to have a tough time retracting his statement made during the YOUTUBE debate.

by nzubechukwu 2008-05-15 11:20AM | 0 recs
Re: Bush's Last Throes

not only in the youtube debate , his website , his speeches etc.

Maybe he is now afraid to lose a PR war with dictators like he said in the NH rally

by lori 2008-05-15 11:25AM | 0 recs
Re: Bush's Last Throes

Agreed.

by mikes101 2008-05-15 11:41AM | 0 recs
Re: Bush's Last Throes

I see some around here have the I.Q. of George Bush.

by spacemanspiff 2008-05-15 12:05PM | 0 recs
It's sickening...

Bush launches a partisan, and fundamentally dishonest, attack from foreign soil, and many of Hillary's supporters here agree with him. Either these folks were Republicans all along, or they have completely lost their bearings due to blinding hatred.

by rebop 2008-05-15 12:31PM | 0 recs
Re: Bush's Last Throes

Obama isn't going to back away from the statements he has repeatedly made about talking with Syria, Iran, Cuba, and other "rogue states", if that is what you are referring to. It's central to his foreign policy and I wholeheartedly agree.

Obama's response in that regard: "Now, Ronald Reagan and Democratic presidents like JFK constantly spoke to Soviet Union at a time when Ronald Reagan called them an evil empire. And the reason is because they understood that we may not trust them and they may pose an extraordinary danger to this country, but we had the obligation to find areas where we can potentially move forward.

And I think that it is a disgrace that we have not spoken to them. We've been talking about Iraq -- one of the first things that I would do in terms of moving a diplomatic effort in the region forward is to send a signal that we need to talk to Iran and Syria because they're going to have responsibilities if Iraq collapses."
http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/07/23/d ebate.transcript/

But Obama does need to repeatedly define why he won't negotiate with Hamas (they are terrorists and not a legitimate government) to avoid a confusion on that message.

by sitesatlas 2008-05-15 12:10PM | 0 recs
Re: Bush's Last Throes

I'd like to offer this perspective:

While what he said was clearly an outrageous and immoral attack on Barack Obama and Democrats in general, imagine being Jew, very likely with ancestors who died at the hands of the Nazis, sitting there listening to this sociopath exploiting the Holocaust (a la 9/11) to make a political attack   in service to a political campaign back home.

It is long past time this depraved man was carted off.

by Juno 2008-05-15 11:21AM | 0 recs
Re: Bush's Last Throes

Wow, I was skeptical before, but I've seen the light.  Bush and Obama are totally alike.  Good thing we have McCain to fall back on.

by enozinho 2008-05-15 11:22AM | 0 recs
Re: Bush's Last Throes

Phew... my snark-o-meter is functioning again.

by nwodtuhs 2008-05-15 11:24AM | 0 recs
Re: Bush's Last Throes

Thats a Kerry like response in my opinion .

I suppose he is going to spend the whole campaign trying to backtrack from the dumb policy of talking to these dictators one on one at the presidential level without preconditions.

by lori 2008-05-15 11:23AM | 0 recs
Re: Bush's Last Throes

Obama's response was very weak.

To say it is "false" almost gives it credence, as though Bush simply has his facts wrong and needs further information.

He should have stated clearly that it was REPUGNANT.

by Juno 2008-05-15 11:32AM | 0 recs
Re: Bush's Last Throes

Yes, I agree.  It is amazing how Obama is both like Bush and like Kerry.  He's an overconfident, sexist blow hard, but in a weak, girly-man kind of way.

by enozinho 2008-05-15 11:38AM | 0 recs
Re: Bush's Last Throes

I don't think Obama is sexist, although his 'sweetie' and his 'you're nice enough, Hillary" comments were pretty creepy.

by Juno 2008-05-15 11:54AM | 0 recs
Re: Bush's Last Throes

Umm.... wow....

I don't know what surprises me more... that you, like others on this board still find it plausible to lump Obama in with Bush or that, for good measure, you threw Kerry in as well...

I suggest you study up on your candidates a bit and study up on our current President... the dissimilarities are quite obvious to the extent that there is really no comparison without risking rotator-cuff injury by vastly over-reaching.

by JenKinFLA 2008-05-15 12:54PM | 0 recs
Re: Bush's Last Throes

FYI, I was totally kidding.  I guess I need to amplify the snark to keep up with the bizarre rantings of Clinton' strangest supporters.

by enozinho 2008-05-16 12:04PM | 0 recs
Re: Bush's Last Throes

Wow.

by spacemanspiff 2008-05-15 12:08PM | 0 recs
Here are some other resoponses

from Biden, Pelosi and Kerry. As DemFromCT points out this is what it means to have a presumptive nominee.

by Sopianae 2008-05-15 11:27AM | 0 recs
Re: Bush's Last Throes

Look, maybe I'm just bitter or something, but that's a terrible response from Obama.  It's straight out of the John Kerry playbook and we can do better than rerun that election.

Just because Obama is the nominee (cough) doesn't mean we have to do nothing but cheerlead.  I can't believe anyone could look at that statement and say "Awesome! Here's a guy who won't be Swiftboated!"  See also, his response to McCain's Hamas smear, where he just let it sit out there for a week before an interviewer finally dragged the "losing his bearings" response out of him.

This was a disgusting attack, even for Bush, and particularly so given the venue.  It demanded a rhetorical punch in the mouth by way of response.  Biden got it just right - a strong rejoinder AND a good response on the merits.  That's far more effective than whining about the politics of fear.

I've always felt Obama was a skilled counterpuncher but he really seems to be struggling to find his form in response to these par-for-the-course right-wing attacks.  We are no longer dealing with the Democratic primary electorate, the media is no longer willing to run story after story about how mean and unfair the opponent is, and "how dare you!" is not going to be a winning strategy.  Obama is capable of better.

by Steve M 2008-05-15 11:35AM | 0 recs
This campaign is going to be

the most negative and ugliest campaign ever. I had a front seat in 1988 campaign and i thought that one was beyond ugly, but this...oh boy.

So, if this is your first Rodeo, well, i advise you to go and stockpile some anti-acid 'cause you are going to have some serious heartburns and stomachaches.

Am i surprised by this very light and soft attack? No. Do i expect more serious BS coming our way? Absolutely. So strap yourself down and buckle up 'cause this ride is going to be bumpy.

by likelihood zero 2008-05-15 11:40AM | 0 recs
It's almost not fair...

And Steve M, I do take your point --

But Mr. 27%?

Do you think anyone that is possibly considering Obama this fall takes serious anything that comes out of Mr. 27%'s mouth?

George Bush is legitimately, completely, and entirely a joke to the American public at this point.  There's no rehabilitation, there's no rallying the base, there's no going out on a high note.

He's a joke.

Now he's just a joke that's said something marginally offensive and at minimum, downright stupid.

By all means - let John McCain tagteam with bush... it will only help to tie McSame to him.

There is no downside any more to being on the receiving end of a George W Bush putdown... doesn't matter if it's a good attack, a bad attack, a silly attack, or whatever -- bring.  it.   on.

America hates the guy.  

If I had my way, George Bush would hold a press conference every day until November attacking Barack Obama.

Obama ought to deliver the Dick Cheney response (the one Obama handed to Cheney last year)... "Why in the world would anyone listen to X at this point?"

by zonk 2008-05-15 11:44AM | 0 recs
Re: It's almost not fair...

Yeah, just as there are progressives who think Rush Limbaugh is wrong about everything else but right about Hillary Clinton, there are people who think Bush sucks but may still believe he has a point about Obama's foreign policy stance.

If Obama hadn't just spent a week ignoring McCain's offensive Hamas smear, maybe I'd be more inclined to credit this "don't worry, it's just Bush" argument.

I think people fail to appreciate how we have rewritten the history of the 2004 election.  In retrospect, the story we tell is "it was an incumbent president during wartime, Kerry probably did as well as any Democrat could do."  At the time, though - and some folks will remember this very well - the prevailing sentiment was "how could we possibly lose to this unpopular bozo!"

If everyone is really going to side against Bush in a fight, that's a good reason to actually have a fight with him, not to offer up this absurd "I find it regrettable that he would make such untrue allegations" milquetoast.

Look at what Biden said.  It's not that hard!  Let Obama outsource his comebacks to Jim Webb if he has to.

by Steve M 2008-05-15 12:00PM | 0 recs
Re: It's almost not fair...

Concern troll much?

This is George W. Bush.

by spacemanspiff 2008-05-15 12:10PM | 0 recs
Re: It's almost not fair...

Look, you can just ignore my posts if you have nothing substantive to say.

by Steve M 2008-05-15 12:28PM | 0 recs
Re: It's almost not fair...

Why write posts if you have nothing substantive to say?

by spacemanspiff 2008-05-15 12:32PM | 0 recs
Re: It's almost not fair...

I take your point...

And sure - there's certainly a portion of that 73% that disapproves of Bush that also doesn't trust Obama on national security.

My point is that George Bush has no cachet left.  No one is going to listen to him that isn't already dead set against voting Obama.

I'm not lauding Obama's response at all -- I'm just saying that I odn't think it matters because Bush a joke.

by zonk 2008-05-15 12:15PM | 0 recs
Re: It's almost not fair...

I want to set off every alarm bell in the house because you're just plain wrong.

I have Jewish colleagues at work who think Bush is the WPE but, if I asked them about today's comments, would say that they think Bush is right about Obama's dangerous Middle Eastern policy.  The world is not this binary place where if you don't like Bush, you automatically believe the opposite of everything he says.

There is no reason my colleagues shouldn't vote Democratic this year, frankly, since they understand everything that's wrong with the Republican party.  For them to vote for Obama, however, it's going to take an awful lot of work on my part to help them understand Obama's real positions.  He could have helped himself with people like this by hitting back strongly today, and he just didn't.

I don't subscribe to defeatism, but I've noticed this general trend towards overconfidence among Obama supporters that just drives me bananas.  It is not written in the stars that since this is set up to be a Democratic year, Obama will automatically sweep to victory.  It's going to take a lot of hard work and there's no downside to holding his feet to the fire.

by Steve M 2008-05-15 12:28PM | 0 recs
Re: It's almost not fair...

That's the whole point .. Obama doesn't have to get all head-full-of-steam with righteous anger.  Now that he's got much of the democratic establishment rallying behind him, others can hit back nastier than he can.

You know Obama wants to project himself as being even-tempered, cool, and collected.

The response by Obama and the Dems here was just fine.  Republicans can try all they want to scare people into voting for them.  It's just about the worst possible strategy they can employ after 8 years of Bush.  Remind everybody why the Republicans have zero credibility on foreign policy!  Acting like the playground bully, never opening channels of dialogue or diplomacy with our 'enemies', using our military to solve every problem .. it's all worked so well!

The Dems are going to cruise this fall..

by tastycakes 2008-05-15 12:28PM | 0 recs
Re: Bush's Last Throes

If Obama is the Nazi appeaser, than that makes Bush the Nazi right?

Hey, we can all play this game! Bring it on, Chimpy!

by Dagoril 2008-05-15 11:44AM | 0 recs
Re: Bush's Last Throes

Let's give Bush credit where credit is due:

He doesn't negotiate with terrorists. He says they're of little concern to him, allows them to escape through Tora Bora to Pakistan, where they are protected, and tells the military to not kill them because to do so would harm his case to get a personal folly of a war going.

by Juno 2008-05-15 11:45AM | 0 recs
Re: Bush's Last Throes

Well, this is the campaign plan that worked for them in 2002 and 2004 and they are certainly hoping, despite Americans trusting Democrats more on every issue, that they can scare enough of them to pull out an upset win for the White House. I don't know if it will work in the end, but my inkling is to say that 2006 proved that playing the fear card is one of diminishing returns.

by unionfield 2008-05-15 12:00PM | 0 recs
Where's Hillary?

Everyone has responded, EVERYBODY!  Everybody except the Clintons.

Why haven't they responded?

by Al Rodgers 2008-05-15 12:03PM | 0 recs
Re: Where's Hillary?

Probably racism.

Yes, that's it.

by Juno 2008-05-15 12:11PM | 0 recs
Hmm...

Who do you think asked Bush to say that?

Oh Bill!

And this is coming from a Hillary supporter.

That was extremely out of character even for a guy like Bush to insert himself so strangely and definitively in a presidential campaign. He knows that the Dem campaign technically is not over; he knows a Dem will win the WH next; and he knows the Obama is weak on national security in a way that Hillary isn't.

This may be the signal the superdelegates need.

by Zeitgeist9000 2008-05-15 12:12PM | 0 recs
Re: Hmm...

Is this snark?

by spacemanspiff 2008-05-15 12:15PM | 0 recs
Re: Hmm...

No, it's not--and Biden's in on it.

He's an emotional guy, but that's over-the-top.

Bush just wrecked Obama's credibility on the international stage. Period.

Something funky is going on. And yes, I'm talking conspiracy.

by Zeitgeist9000 2008-05-15 12:17PM | 0 recs
Re: Hmm...

Are you serious?

Bush wrecked Obama's credibility on the international stage?

W? That Bush? The idiot who has NO credibility suddenly has this power over the international community?

This make no sense at all.

You're hatred is blinding you.

by spacemanspiff 2008-05-15 12:24PM | 0 recs
Re: Hmm...

It's not Bush, it's the office. Bush has no credibility, but he used the function of the office to trash Obama. That's major. I hope the super d's take notice.

by Zeitgeist9000 2008-05-15 12:57PM | 0 recs
Re: Hmm...
Exactly. The super-d's are now moving swiftly under Bush's command.  They will all be boarding seperate planes within the hour and reconvening inside Cheney's secret hideaway.  Why doesn't everyone else see this except you and me?
What's the frequency Kenneth?
by haystax calhoun 2008-05-15 02:38PM | 0 recs
Mr. 28%...

doesn't have near enough credibility to damage anyone else's credibility. I hope the least popular president in American history attacks Obama twice a day between now and November. Hopefully they'll get Cheney in on the act too.

by rebop 2008-05-15 12:25PM | 0 recs
I disagree with those who say

that Obama's response should have been like Biden's.  It's always more effective to be defended loudly and vocierously by a third party than to defend yourself loudly and vociferously.

I am reminded of the expression 'Methinks thou dost protest too much'.  Better to just say that's nonsense and move on.

by GFORD 2008-05-15 12:16PM | 0 recs
Todd - highlight the word "Bullshit"

Todd, highlight Biden's quote "bullshit"

by Al Rodgers 2008-05-15 12:17PM | 0 recs
The irony is

that there is a fair chance that the Senator he is quoting as wanting to "talk with Hitler," was Prescott Bush, who it has been speculated was a Nazi  Appeaser

by JDF 2008-05-15 12:25PM | 0 recs
Speculated?

The Guardian uses stronger words:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2004/sep /25/usa.secondworldwar

by Sadie Baker 2008-05-15 05:36PM | 0 recs
Re: Bush's Last Throes

Good for Hillary coming to Barack's defense.  Score one for unity.

by Pat Flatley 2008-05-15 12:30PM | 0 recs
Re: Bush's Last Throes

Snore.

Score one for using this to bash Clinton.  Unity, yes!

by Juno 2008-05-15 12:53PM | 0 recs
Re: Bush's Last Throes

Huh?  I was complimenting Clinton's defense of Obama.

by Pat Flatley 2008-05-15 12:57PM | 0 recs
Re: Bush's Last Throes

Yes, I had a previous post in mind and misread yours.

I apologize.

by Juno 2008-05-15 01:15PM | 0 recs
Re: Bush's Last Throes
The quote used by Bush in this disgraceful display comes from one William Borah an Idaho Republican.
http://weblogs.chicagotribune.com/news/p olitics/blog/2008/05/bushs_hitler_remark s_singleout.html
by Gozer 2008-05-15 01:04PM | 0 recs
Re: Bush's Last Throes

"Unfortunately, for 8 years George Bush chose not to follow in the footsteps of every other American President, who had recognized that America was strong enough to talk to our enemies.

FDR allied with the Soviets to defeat the Nazis.  Nixon opened diplomatic relations with China.  And Ronald Reagan met personally with the leader of the Soviet Union.  As did President Bush's own father.

Rather than follow his father's example and the great bipartisan tradition of being willing to talk, George Bush clumsily pursued a unilateralist course.  Over the past 8 years, this has had disastrous consequences, causing America to be isolated from its allies, as well as the death of over 4000 Americans in Mr. Bush's unilateralist war in Iraq.

Now, this man, who has so profoundly failed our country in its hour of need, proclaims that his policies were right all along, and John McCain rushes to hug him again.  

We know that George Bush will try to get over his failures by hugging Sen. McCain and kissing Sen. Lieberman again.  Unfortunately, thanks to George Bush's policies, for all too many Americans there will be no comfort until he is gone and not replaced by the same guy---or, more specifically, the McSame guy."  

Ahh, I feel better.  

by bosdcla14 2008-05-15 01:15PM | 0 recs
Read Paul Begala's reaction

It was post at Huffpost early this afternoon:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/paul-begal a/bush-uses-holy-land-pulpi_b_101921.htm l

by JulieinVT 2008-05-15 01:20PM | 0 recs
Re: Bush's Last Throes

Why has W not been impeached? I understand there exists a mountain of cause to do so. What else does this asshole need to do? BJ in the oval office?

by devoted1 2008-05-15 01:25PM | 0 recs
Re: Bush's Last Throes

HAHAHAHAHAHA

Anyone watch Hardball just now? Matthews had a Repub talk show host on to debate this issue, and just destoyed him. I know Matthews doesn't just a lot of love in progressive circles but this was just brilliant.

by animated 2008-05-15 01:36PM | 0 recs
MORE BIDEN

More Biden comments just came out, and they're incredible.

Please read and enjoy.

http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2 008/05/15/1027733.aspx

by Pat Flatley 2008-05-15 01:51PM | 0 recs
When do we get

to talk about PRESTON BUSH?

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2004/sep /25/usa.secondworldwar

Bush's grandfather was a sure-enough, bona-fide Nazi supporter, does Junior really want to open that can of worms?

by Sadie Baker 2008-05-15 05:34PM | 0 recs
People who voted for this godd--n monkey

should stick their heads in the oven

by observer5 2008-05-16 07:27AM | 0 recs

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