Isn't Todd a Clinton supporter? Perhaps it would be nice to hear this coming from Jerome.

Quit trolling will you.

Get the hell off this section of the internet. No one here, Obama or Clinton supporter, wants anything to do with you.

OK, I'LL VOTE FOR NADER THEN!

I'll vote for Nader - a man of principle and a true progressive! It's about time he got some serious recognition!

Well, I have read many Obama supprter comments that said they would vote for mcwar if she was the nominee.

I told them the same thing.

Anyhoo, she will lead once again and unite the party.

It would be great if Obama would actually lead on an issue like gas prices.

I mean, if your going to bash mcwar's gas tax holiday, at least propose something else .

Step up and lead.

You would be voting against democratic values if you vote for McCain. Period.

"rabid bloggers"

Are we on the same website?

Fine, a vote for McCain is not a vote against Hillary.  Its a vote against almost everything Hillary stands for and has fought for in this campaign.  

And I'm pretty sure Todd is a Hillary supporter, so your rant doesn't really make a whole lot of sense.

Todd is well known to be a Clinton supporter. Sorry he is not "rabid" enough in his hatred of Obama for you.

Haha, suddenly MyDD of all places is a debauched Hillary-hating website? Please tell me this post was satire. Todd voted for Hillary and has praised her frequently, while still having a very positive attitude towards Obama supporters and Dems as a whole. He's a model for all bloggers, far as I'm concerned.

Remember, this is the same McCain who opened a major Republican fund raising event with the joke "Why is Chelsea so ugly? Because her dad's Janet Reno."

Beyond McCain's disgusting attack on Hillary's then-teenage daughter, He also happens to be opposed to just about everything Hillary Clinton supports. He's anti-choice, pro-war, cuts taxes for the rich, and won't touch our broken health care system. Do you really think there's any way that a vote for McCain would not be a vote against Clinton?

I like your plan. Don't watch TV, don't go on the internet. I'd take it a step further. Don't listen to the radio, don't look at newspapers, don't do anything except sit at home and listening to your own gut.

Oh please. What is the problem?  He's not qualified, that's the problem.  Record?  8 years as a part-timer in the Ill. sentate and in the US Senate barely long enough to find the men's room.  Racism?  Millions of white people have voted for him proving we've come a long way since the 60s,  Plain ignorance?  Just look at the plain ignorance of some of his supporters who think he's the second coming or the campaign is just a political version of American Idol and anybody who can text message is ready to run the world.

As for Todds's post, there's nothing there which could "damage" Obama.  OTOH, there is much there I find condescending to activist Democrats who are Hillary supporters.  This isn't our first election and we don't need lectures.

Todd used the phrase "grave reservations" for a reason, and I agree with him. I'm a strong Obama supporter, but if Hillary had won the nomination I would have had my own grave reservations about voting for her. However, I decided from the start that I would vote for whichever Democrat won. I'll admit that some of the more negative campaigning made me rethink that decision, but I always came back to the fact that any Democrat would be a vastly better choice than McCain. A protest vote just isn't worth the damage that four more years of Bush will do.

Whether you or I think they are justified, it is a fact that many Clinton supporters have grave reservations about Obama.  I certainly don't attribute them primarily to racism or ignorance, especially those who post here.  I for one appreciate the graciousness of Todd's post.

One more thing:  when someone offers you an olive branch, don't split hairs; take it.

I really wonder what Jerome is going to write about if Obama is the nominee...

Ultimately we all believe in the progressive vision of a peaceful, prosperous and pluralistic society.

Our divisions aren't as significant as our common vision.  We are united in bringing about a sustainable world that recognizes and respects all people.

Anyone who votes for McCain votes for someone who pees on that vision.  He is a disgusting toady who panders to the greediest of Republicans.  What ever our differences are is minor compared being united in bringing about the kind of changes that will make our progressive vision a realty.  Don't lose sight of the original goal folks.  Too many people are too thin skinned about their candidate.

I thought Jerome had written similar stuff.  He seems to enjoy tweaking Obama supporters but mainly I pick up from him that, since his first/second choices did not make it, HRC is a better candidate.

Your AZ vote may make a difference if Napolitano is Obama's VP.

Your vote always makes a difference. In your case, three reasons:

1. Unlike Obama, you don't show up and just vote "present". You take a stand, not a calculated political position.

2. Every vote for the Dem nominee in AZ will narrow the pre-assumed victory margin of McCain in his home state. If we can't hand him a defeat, let's at least hand him an embarrassing squeaker there.

3. Your vote for the Dem nominee, no matter whom, shows you finally focused on the 90% the two have in common and not the 10% they don't.

Arizona is not the cakewalk for McCain you think. The last polling matchup had him under 50% in Arizona against Obama.

what are you missing from him in regards to the financial part?

Go read his website, there is plenty of meat to digest their regarding his issues.

The fact that anyone who visits this site says "I'll probably vote" is kinda crazy too...but I'll let that one go.

Dark lips? What?

If you're working toward a second graduate degree and you can't even write coherent, grammatically correct sentences, then I fear you have wasted your educational investment.

Please explain how you could possibly think otherwise.

Wow. Think of the people who will die in Iraq courtesy of McBush. The people who will die in America because of his ridiculously poor health care policy. (I know that Obama's isn't perfect but it will most certainly save lives). Think of the country suffering as he plunges it into trillions of dollars more debt so he can give tax cuts to the rich. It must be nice to be in a position insulated enough so you can help McCain by refusing to vote for the Dem (whose ethics problems are minor and no more than the BS charges the GOP leveled against the Clintons), but there are lots of people in the country and in the world who will actually feel these consequences. Please try to care about them.

out there to connect Senator Obama to any corrupt deals including Tony Rezko's dealings. Knowing somebody does not automatically make somebody corrupt. There are some unhinged comments made by his former pastor which only extreme right wing like Hannity would link to Senator Obama to cast negative aspersions. Personally I think he is a remarkable man and capable of doing great things for this country. I've differences with some of his policies in terms of Healthcare, Defense, Foreign policy and Economy where I thought HRC is a much stronger candidate. If I find time in next few weeks I do plan to write on them.

However if Senator Obama is the Democratic nominee he is way better all hands down in liberal and progressive policies than what his opponent Sen. McCain has to offer. Although I've to say most of HRC supporters anger are due to what some extreme fringe elements amongst Obama supporters are doing. I just read a diary at Dailykos where Bill Clinton was called Jim Crow which is very unfortunate and not deleted.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/5/10/ 163655/054/213/513374

Corrupt?

That's a serious charge.

Let's see some strong evidence.

Again with bashing Chicago...?  Really, it is a very nice town...

So is San Francisco before you decide to go down that road...

So you vote based on who supporters you like better?

That makes a lot of sense

You absolutely have every right to write-in HRC and I don't think that makes you less of a Democrat.

Just curious.  If Obama is indeed the nominee and HRC is out there working hard to campaign for him, would that be meaningful to you?  If she says the best thing for the country is to elect BO, would you consider voting for him?

really? where did Hillary stand on the war? and where does McCain stand? if they don't stand on the same side?

and where does Hillary stand on the Bush tax cuts? and where does McCain stand?

vote for McCain if you must but please don't pretend that McCain doesn't completely stand against everything McCain stands for. or you think Hillary stops working for her goals if she is not president? you think if Hillary isn't the nominee she won't be against the Bush tax cuts anymore or the war in Iraq?

Voting for McCain is saying he is right on the issues, and thus Hillary was wrong when she said McCain was bad for the country.

vote for McCain but be adult enough to admit its completely against what Hillary stands for.

Gods I hope so.

I'd like to ask what the Obamabots did that dismantled Clinton. She lost the delegate race, which is all that mattered, and the Obamabots had no effect on that. The voters decided.

Besides, you're implying that the Republicans are less divisive and hateful? There are plenty of gays, immigrants, blacks, and other minorities that would laugh at that implication.

"You know how Obamabots did every nasty thing they could to dismantle Clinton?"

Crashing the Gate: Netroots, Grassroots, and the Rise of People-Powered Politics

What Crashing the Gate advocates is essentially a bloodless coup inside the Democratic party: a sidelining of the high-paid consultants who have advised Democrats straight into minority status; an eviction from the party's inner circle of the shrill single-issue advocacy groups (like NARAL Pro-Choice America) that demand absolute fealty to their positions, even if it means losing an election; and an influx of new ideas (and cash) into the party...

Moulitsas and Armstrong have written a lucid, concise, and deeply insightful book that exposes the Democratic Party as a moribund Beltway-centered apparatus stuck in neutral with greedy consultants, old campaigning tactics that no longer work, and party elites who grasp their ever-shrinking fiefdom and resist anyone who dares to challenge their authority....

Actually, Jerome armstrong should ask that his name be taken off that book since he now supports the very embodiment of the corrupt, old, establishment in Hillary Clinton.

You think Democrats are divisive and full of hate...?  

Well, feel free to try on the Republican party... they're united and full of themselves...

... because you have substituted tropism for reason.

I don't waste time on the delusional and hateful self-propogating KOS and similar.sites anymore but ocasionally comment on sites that are open to a dialog. I do so in solidarity with the vast constituencies that have been stepped on by a party that can not come together to use its majority to effect any change in the direction of America yet is able to use its spare time to disparage and attempt to dismantle the Clinton constituencies. The Obama mantra for months has been reminiscent of Bush's year 2000 "stop the counting I'm ahead" tactic. They wanted Hillary to drop out long ago to avoid Obama having to disclose more weaknesses in actual competition. Dean's pathetic leadership on MI/FL, "superdelgates" attempting to influence voters, "superdelegates" going against the preferences of their constituencies, red state caucus "wins" being given more weight than democratic votes in must win states, etc. The poison of the Obama blogospherè and Air America/Ed Schultz. The dem party has lost my respect. I'm voting for Hillary no matter what. Even she cannot change my mind now.

Personally, I'm invested in the good of the country and the planet, must be nice to only care about the personalities. Crack open a cold one for me.

Writing in Hillary or voting third party would have the effect of helping McCain to win.  Do you really believe that gays and lesbians would be better off under a McCain presidency?  

Your incoherent rambling make no real arguement.  Why would a democrat not vote for the democratic candidate?  You make no sense.

Where is all of this anger coming from?   I really don't understand what Obama did to piss you off so much.

So basically you are saying that he won't win because you aren't going to vote for him as an alienated HRC-supporter? That's brilliant logic. Your argument against voting for him is driven by your not voting for him.

And how exactly is he going to screw up the country? Need I remind you that he has run the best ship in this campaign while HRC has had to loan money to her campaign twice and had horrible planning for a post-Super Tuesday run? The job is about thinking ahead and organizing well.

It's hard to go around without a nose, but at least you'll teach your face a lesson it'll never forget.

Agreed. I will vote for a third-party candidate, but never Obama.

You are why this country had 2 terms of Bush. Thanks for being such an idealist. You can't see the forest for the trees. Go and vote for a third party so that your vote can be oh so progressive when it accomplishs nothing for HRC's own causes.