Gallup confirms the Obama slide
by Jerome Armstrong, Thu May 01, 2008 at 09:42:29 AM EDT
The poll movement clearly going in Clinton's favor on both tracking polls. Nationally, Gallup today also shows the trend:
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by Jerome Armstrong, Thu May 01, 2008 at 09:42:29 AM EDT
The poll movement clearly going in Clinton's favor on both tracking polls. Nationally, Gallup today also shows the trend:
Also,
Tags: 2008 election (all tags)
He's losing AA voters in addition to white voters now?
Just a hunch, no numbers to back it up.
to counter the 5-0 margin of earlier, we need more than to keep pace, but for now its good. After big wins we will start outpacing in terms of S.Ds!!!
The 5-0 number was bogus as 3 were add-ons from IL. Same with the 4 add-ons from NY. All were expected.
Great. Now those NY add-ons are out of the way -- her biggest prospective haul of add-ons. Since Obama won more states, he'll gain more add-ons.
this Obama "slide" hasn't even come close to replicating the Clinton "slide" of two weeks ago.
To noone's surprise, you failed to capture it.
And does someone have a servicable definition of the verb "tank"?
That's when a warrior or other sword-and-board character uses high-threat skills to keep the attention of a boss monster while DPS classes attempt to kill it.
Personally, I'd consider Obama to be more of a support/healing/buff type, but I'm sure he could tank a little if he put his mind to it.
Okay, okay, I'm done!
The idea that Obama is tanking due to a slight polling decrease is just as silly as comparing the campaign to a World of Warcraft raid.
Any controversy on either side of this has always put the other side in an awkward position. Neither candidate has handled this consistently....some seen to be "taking advantage" of it; other times being seen as "taking the high road".
Steepness of decline and the steepness of recovery for both candidates has varied throughout the race and is different, you're right, but long term trends are also important.
I think his denunciation reinforced Wright's comments, that Obama will follow the polls and as a politician say what he has to say. Compare his comments when Wright first appeared to his comments a few days ago.
you expect him to lay there and take the heat for something so abstract as Wright? as if Wright is running for president?
I for one thought he needed to fight for Wright in front of the media regardless of it being political suicide. But being a politician requires being a "trend" follower in some way, shape or form.
if by some miracle Hillary pulls out this primary, I'll be the first to fight back against obtuse media remarks regarding something so incredibly unimportant to the future of America. It's called being a grown-up and it's about time all of us, regardless of your support need to start being more aware of these media induced stories.
as the Wright comments "sunk in", the whole issue of judgment--upon which Obama has based his campaign--became an issue once again. It is larger than Wright...this issue should have been addressed long before Wright even appeared on the stage as at least a possibility for campaign strategists. He should never have allowed himself to be in this position now, and is as responsible for his campaign strategy as his top staff are.
Sorry, but this applies to Clinton in spades. If she hadn't voted for the Iraq war, she would be the nominee, end of story.
When the campaign turned away from issues and into a circus, Clinton was the beneficiary. If Clinton gets the nod, it's like 2004 all over again. People get all worked up, and wake up on election day already with a sense of buyers remorse.
Democrats will regret nominating Clinton, because her position on the issue that has vexed Democrats for 5 years is at odds with her party.
The difference is that Wright made a public ass of himself and cannot claim that he was taken out of context. The video snippets were taken out of context and looked much less bad when seen in light of the whole sermon. Obama knew that Wright was being caricatured.
But the press conference was Wright saying screw you to the press and, by implication, screw you to Obama. It was a pure betrayal and Obama had to act. This was no longer about past comments ginned up to look bad but present comments offered by Wright to embarrass Obama.
Also, note that Obama seethed at the notion that his Philadelphia speech was just political posturing. Wright's cynicism was too much for Obama.
That "out of context" argument was pure BS from the beginning and Wright's press conference proved it. I have seen the comments in their full context and it did not change the meaning. Fox News posted the entire sermons online for crying out loud.
So give up the "out of context" defense. It is over.
If you want to know why Obama is sliding it is because Obama is telling the American people that he was not aware that Wright held these positions. So either Obama is very stupid or he thinks the American people are.
Its a similar situation with his healthcare plan. Now that people are starting to realize how little Obama is actually going to change, and his arrogance at waiting till 2012 to even attempt to try it, I think many people are realizing Hillary is a much better candidate. We don't want another Bush, arrogance-wise.
Also, we need a candidate who is EXCEPTIONAL on healthcare to go up against McCain, with his terrible healthcare proposals. More than anything else, that issue has the potential to hit Americans where they can't afford it. For many of us, the difference between Hillary and Obama is the difference between having healthcare thats affordable and not. Or thousands of dollars a year.
Obama was, admittedly, put in a tough spot by his erstwhile friend, Wright. In terms of empathy, is it now possible to see how one longer in the fire of the national political scene (namely, Hillary) has had to face difficult public crises as well. Sometimes when it happens to the "politician" we support, it feels differently...but, it is not. This is not directed at you, Elrod--but to many Obama supporters who have claimed a specialness for their man and rather demonized (or approved of characaturing Hillary)before their own trials in the limelight: Empathy and respect are important.
Whatever people like Joe Scarborough may say, Obama cannot put this behind him.
Why he stayed 20 years is the issue, not whether he throws Wright under a bus. People are smarter than some politicians give them credit for.
And this is why polls of people state that Wright, by and large, doesn't effect their opionion on the race.
You nailed it!
So here is the scenario that you are looking at. Obama will, of course, win the most delegates through the normal primary/caucus process (presuming that DNC rules mean anything at all). If the rules mean nothing and Michigan and Florida delegates are seated AND the superdelegates go with Clinton, she could get the nomination.
Then you have one pissed off group of Democratic voters and a great, inspirational leader. Obama has raised about $250 million in the last year. The DNC has raised about $50 million. Obama has a database of committed volunteers that completely blows out anything the DNC can muster.
So, wouldn't that be the perfect time to start a 3rd party? Maybe Obama goes 3rd party, selects Hagel to attract more GOP votes and lets see what happens?
If the Obama campaign works so hard and follows all the rules to have the nomination taken through slight of hand with Michigan and Florida and through superdelegates, I would have nothing to do with the DNC anymore.
It sounds like you are issuing a threat, and assuming that the only way HRC could win is through "stealing the election"? If that is so, I am truly sorry you feel that anyone or any candidate is going to "pull the strings" with MI and FL.
BOTH candidates are going to have to agree with the solution, and/or present their case for seating/not seating them and how. The popular vote is clearer in Florida than MI. There is still plenty of time and opportunity to figure this out.
First, I'm a lowly blogger incapable of issuing threats. I'm just observing that one possible resolution to this conflict is a third party.
Second, I don't understand why there needs to be any action at all on the Florida and Michigan delegation. It seems pretty clear: party rules state that if a state holds a primary prior to a certain date, the delegates from that primary won't be seated. Florida and Michigan held primaries prior to that date -- and they did so with full knowledge and understanding of the rule.
I don't know what there is to figure out? What is unclear about this situation?
There are 408 primary delegates left to select. If Clinton wins 283 of those, then she earned the most delegates and she deserves the nomination. If she does this and wins because she just out-campaigned Obama, I completely respect the process and (though sad) I will accept the results and work hard to get her elected.
If she does not get 283 of the remaining 408 delegates, and wins because of changing the rules for Michigan and Florida or because superdelegates don't like what the voters say...then all bets are off.
If Obama follows all the rules, wins the most delegates through the primary/caucus process and yet loses the nomination, then we have a bad process and its time for a new party.
The rolling average didn't necessary show daily drops after the denunciation. We'll have to see tomorrow if the denunciation helped him.
The better numbers from Obama have dropped out of the rolling sample. He could have the same exact numbers on Wednesday as he did on Monday, but Sunday is not in the picture.
Since we don't know what the one day results are, that is as plausible a scenario as a drop following the divorce.
Myabe it is because McCain and Clinton have been getting a free ride while people (like those on this site and in the media) continue to smear Obama with baseless crap.
Oh and Jerome, when did you start taking National daily tracking polls as gospel?
What seems most noticeable about the polling is that Obama didn't start tanking until after he 'denounced' Wright. Why is that?
oh, and fix your EV calculator. Clinton loses MN in the latest poll. NC is tied on the Obama side.
Two things
1) many people watched the press conference coverage and watched all of it and KNOW for themselves what Wright is about.
2) Obama got angry at the being called a politician part and NOT the other parts. In renouncing him he clearly shows that he is reacting to people watching Wright and not to what Wright said which most people can see is what he usually says. People don't believe Wright changed his positions or voicing of his positions to hurt Obama.
This cuts to Obama's credibility and he has many other mini scandals where he is relying on his credibility to say no no Rezko didn't ask anything for his $600,000 to buy my garden etc.
Obama got angry at the being called a politician part and NOT the other parts.
In the "More Perfect Union" speech, Obama denounced Wrights statements and said Wright did not have the correct view of America, and he also tried to provide context for why Wright thought the way he did.
That's a far cry from defending the remarks.
Something like I can no more renounce rev Wright than I can my own racist grandma were his words.
No, it wasn't something like that. As you know.
Snark only works when based in truth. He was talking about why he couldn't do the politically expediant thing of "throwing Wright under the bus" because denouncing the Man when all that was wrong were the Comments would be shallow and insincere. And part of the inhumanity that is how politics is played in America right now.
You may not like the guy, but give the speech credit, it was atypical and brave, a singular moment in a historic campaign. In a parallel universe if Hillary had to do the same, and did, it'd have been just as notable.
He mentioned his Grandmother to provide context to the complex web that is human relationships. Especially when, prior to this year it appears, politicians didn't have to answer for what people say in church (as long as it was a church, but I digress...)
So, stop doing that.
This is so much bigger than Obama and no silver-tongued rhetoric can uncork the bottle. For the first time, Obama is beholden to circumstances behind his control.
political expediency? I sure did, I'm sure he was mad, but he was mad because it was hurting his poll numbers. Maybe A.As are mad he denounced him, if they really saw it as an attack on their culture, they naturally wouldn't like Obama backing down on it.
Who knows... maybe his denunciation came too late and the image was already stuck in people's minds and maybe people are finally starting to pay attention to polls in OH.FL.PA
the uniter and inspirational figure of Jan/Feb is no more, he doesnt have that aura anymore, and without that, what does he have really? no accomplishments, the only thing he had was his rhetoric and if that becomes a tough sell, well. I'm just hopin he contines tanking, and S.D see it, I don't want to lose this election.
P.S: I would vote for obama in a heartbeat were he the nominee.
"I would vote for obama in a heartbeat were he the nominee."
That's good to hear. I would do the same for Clinton. I am concerned that many Clinton supporters don't feel the same was as you.
Honestly, I still view Obama as a charlatan. "Hope" and "change" as a campaign platform sounds a little 8th grade hall monitorish to me. Always has. I'll have to think of Ruth Bader and then vote Obama in November. Because there's no way that lady can hold on another 8 years....
I'd like to hope a McCain presidency wouldn't last more than 4, but who knows? With our luck he'd get a right-wing crazy VP who would officially have the best chance of inheriting a presidency since Truman.
And as much as you are frustrated by his empty-sounding rhetoric, I am frustrated with her repeated exaggerations and truthiness. Obama has had a few as well, but hers are much more common and much more serious to me.
Every great maestro is entitled to "poetic license." That's all the Bosnia thing was, poetic license. I can understand when Clinton talks economy, national security, education, transportation, energy, etc. and Obama is just transitioning from his passive-aggressive hit job talk of "typical Washington politics" and only touches on these issues, that there is really a profound difference between the two Dem candidates.
Well, policy wise there really isn't much difference at all, but OK.
Either would likely be the best president we've had in a loooong time, which is primarily because of the stronger progressive infrastracture that exists today to hold either somewhat accountable. So while I don't love Hillary, I fully expect that she'd be a better president than her Husband and will work to get her elected if she wins the nomination.
Obama's, a smart guy, he'd be a great president. I just don't feel him the same way I feel Clinton, you feel me?
I basically view Hillary as a smarter Bill but without all the scandals.
Yeah, with all the blogs and Internets and stuff, any Dem president would be held more accountable, good point.
I love it. She gets caught in a bald-faced lie and its just "poetic license?" If that were Obama you would be writing a diary on it every week. I agree with Clinton on the majority of issues, and I would have to vote for her over McCain, but "poetic license?" Come on man. 6 in 10 Americans consider her to be "untruthful." Call it what it is. She lied. She got caught. And she doesn't have the guts to admit it.
Thankfully, we have the media (which is apparently giving Hillary a "free ride") and the rest of the bloggers to constantly bring this up.
As far as Obama lies, how about his claim that he gave a speech opposing the Iraq War during his Senate campaign? How about his claim that Hillary's health care plan would force poor people who couldn't afford it to buy in? How about his disingenuous claim that he doesn't take lobbyist money (he takes money bundled by lobbyists, he takes it from their families, just not from "registered lobbyists"; he also gives big favors based on lobbying, see, e.g., ethanol)?
Wow, good answer! Yeah, what this guy says.
By the bye, great handle. Game four of the 2004 series was the greatest game ever. If the Yankees had gotten that ground rule double instead of the ball bouncing off the back wall, they would've swept the Sox. But instead the Sox came back and won it all.
It's an apt analogy for Hillary methinks.
If you are talking about Tony Clark in Game 5, it WAS a ground rule double and it screwed the Yankees in many ways. I assume you are talking about the ball he hit that basically climbed its way into the stands.
Hillary's healthcare plan would (notice I said would, because there is no way in hell Congress will pass a healthcare bill with mandates) force you to buy in. That's what a mandate is.
Mandate = mandatory.
Mandatory = everyone has to enroll.
Everyone = everyone including poor people.
Umm, you're not reading. Obama made the false/misleading claim that it would force poor people who couldn't afford it to buy in, and that they would then suffer. He did not mention that Hillary's plan includes a subsidy.
So either you got duped, or you're also not a fan of the Truth (much like Saint Obama).
I do enjoy poetry, especially Poe. But I think you are bastardizing the term "poetic license" just a wee bit. Poetic license is Hillary giving a bit of a polish to her role in the Ireland peace process. Yes she probably did some great things, no not as much as she claimed, but on the whole she was involved.
Completely fabricating an entire story about snipers, ceremonies being canceled, running with heads down to an armored convoy, and then repeating it seven times. That is just plain lying. Not poetry. No license. Lying.
Oooh, lying! DOING JEREMIAH WRIGHT SPIRITUAL ADVISER VOO-DOO HAND SIGNAL THING FROM THE NATIONAL PRESS CLUB Oooh, lying about going to a dangerous war zone as first lady and helping to improve diplomatic relations. I'm ashamed and embarrassed.
I'd say this is most fitting for the campaign your favorite "poet" has been running...
"To vilify a great man is the readiest way in which a little [wo]man can [her]self attain greatness."
Bald faced lie? How about Obama claiming it isn't his handwriting on the survey where he supported a total ban on handguns.
Guess what, it is his handwriting, plain as day, and he knew it full well when he lied about it on national tv.
At least, Clinton really was in a war zone, Bo just lied with no justification at all.
I'm not justifying that Obama was not telling the truth. But, I find someone not remembering whether they personally wrote on an informational survey a bit less of a fib than completely fabricating a yarn about being shot at in a war zone. But that's just me.
I don't see it quite as much as a flat-out lie where she tried to get away with something. I think she probably convinced herself (or someone else convinced her) that it was more dangerous than it really was. And she may have exaggerated on her own as well.
The pregnant-woman issue was one in which her campaign just didn't fact-check a story told to her.
The "I always pressured Bill on issues he supported that I did not, but I also fought for the good things" is something completely unfalsifiable. There is no way to know what Hillary did, or did not, whisper to Bill in the halls of the White House. But in the context of these other missteps, I'm not inclined to put blind faith in her claims.
The "I saved Ireland" meme is a blatant exaggeration.
It seems Hillary's claim that she was always against NAFTA is is an out and out lie. That's the one that bothers me the most.
That being said, I think the "tea with ambassadors" depiction definitely understated her experience.
Wow. Maybe I'm ignorant, but I didn't realize she was that old... Just think of the things they could do with one more conservative on the bench... it's really scary.
"I still view Obama as a charlatan. "Hope" and "change" as a campaign platform sounds a little 8th grade hall monitorish to me"
Yeah, it really is ridiculous... Like that "I still believe in a place called Hope," campaign slogan that... who was it? Oh, yeah, Bill Clinton had in 1992...
As an Obama supporter, I can say that, yes, he doesn't have the same aura anymore... I don't know.... there's only so much a man can take before he finally succumbs.... He's been attacked by Hillary, the media, the GOP, the Canadian government, and his former pastor and confidant... No other candidate in history has had to endure the same kind of beating this man has... He's still standing, but for how long?
If it is true... and if the slide is real.. I do hope he has the sense enough to make a deal with someone and bail... I'll still be mad that fellow democrats ended up doing him in with the kitchen sink, but what are you going to do. I think it would be a big loss for progressivism, as a whole... I'm sure the DLC will enact their revenge against the netroots and we will be no more... and any chance at progressive policies will go the way of the trash heap... the last revenge of the Reagan Democrats, I guess...
You Probama supporters have no idea how unbelievably pathetic this sounds to the rest of us:
"No other candidate in history has had to endure the same kind of beating this man has... He's still standing, but for how long?"
Really? Really? Hillary's basically been tarred and feathered, as this cruel villainess who's willing to do anything to happen, who's racist, who is orchestrating some nefarious Evil Genius campaign, called a b*tch, MSM figures regularly make jokes about her getting killed, etc.
Kerry got hit with a made-up campaign claiming he made up his war record. Al Gore was attacked by a media that claimed he hired a consultant to dress him in earth tones and that he had claimed to invent the Internet.
And you Probama guys are now whining because after nearly a year of fawning media adoration, they're turning just a little bit on your candidate? I mean, wow. Just wow.
At least the stuff they're hitting Obama on is grounded in some substantiated reality. Whether or not you think the Wright story is unfair (I personally think it's ridiculous), as a matter of objective fact, Obama does have a close tie with Wright, and many people were offended by Wright's statements. This is contradistinctive from Hillary (I LOVE the Obama folks here who make all sorts of claims about Hillary, as if they knew her from anywhere but the media's negative coverage of her, without any factual substantiation), Kerry, or Gore.
If Obama can't handle this EXTREMELY MILD coverage now, he'll get crucified in the general election. The MEDIA IS NOT THE DEMOCRATS' FRIEND. THEY WILL TURN ON US IN THE GENERAL ELECTION. You Obama folks all thought that Hillary was somehow uniquely divisive. Wrong. The media is unique in its hatred of Dem politicians. Now you're beginning to taste a little of that "not-so-fair" coverage, and Obama's wilting. But to claim that Obama's this Jesus figure is retarded.
Also, Obama is not exactly unfriendly with the DLC types. You might want to look at his voting record or his record period, before you make such silly claims.
As far as I can tell, the only major votes he differed from HRC on during their contemporaneous Senate term have been 1) ethanol; 2) tort reform; and 3) the Dem amendment to the 2005 Bankruptcy bill (where Obama initially lied and said the amendment would preempt state usury laws; after being confronted with the fact that he was lying by consumer groups, he has since tried to conflate the 2005 Bankruptcy bill with the 01 Bankruptcy bill). On all 3 of those votes, Obama took the industry position.
A little bit? Extremely mild? You are kidding, aren't you? The media is baching him 24/7, so is Hillary, so is the GOP, so is McCain, so are foreign governments, so is my cat (OK, I don't have a cat, but if I did, it would be hissing, too...)
I've been involved with politics for a long, long time, and I've never, ever seen anything like it. Period. For example, I've never seen a foreign government directly interfere with a primary race. Have you?
Democrats as a whole face formidable obstacles and have never had a friendly media, but I don't recall Hillary ever having to face a multi front attack. Even Bill Clinton with Perot had the advantage that Ross attacked both Republicans and Democrats.
Well, I've been in politics since 1968 (my first vote when I was a young precinct committeewoman in Blmgtn, Ind.) As the other writer says, Obama has been treated exceptionally easily. Only after the reality of PA and his own inflicted Wright wounds (and the peoples' evident reaction) have the press begun to push him a little.
If you read the Times this morning, the timeline is something like this:
(1) Monday a.m.: Wright speaks to National Press Club;
(2) Monday noon: Obama holds subdued mid-day presser, stands by his previous Wright position;
(3) Monday evening: Obama gets a bunch of phone calls from concerned superdelegates;
(4) Tuesday: Obama renounces, denounces, rejects and whatever else is available to be done to Wright.
Obama better have a blow out in North Carolina to save his campaign. Otherwise, he will continue to collapse.
Actually, with these numbers, the expectations are lower. He doesn't need a blow-out in NC.
Part of his logic in NC is that he carries it against McCain.
Without a blow out that appears false.
Winning primaries does not predict general election ability. Period.
I don't know why we continue to speak as if they do.
Collapse all the way to the finish line, perhaps.
It's amazing to me, the ability of you Clinton supporters to ignore the very basic fact that she is considerably behind. Your ENTIRE HOPE rests on bevies of S-D's changing their votes. This is not going to happen. For many who are elected officials, this would be suicidal for the Fall, and they know it would hurt the party badly as well. It will not hurt the party for them to go with the pledged delegate leader. This is not a complicated concept!
In fact, have any SD's changed from Obama to Clinton? It isn't as if they haven't had plenty of time to do so.
Don't talk suicide. When Clinton is president, perhaps you can get your meds through the universal health care.
Considering the historic collapse of the Democratic majority in Congress under Billy Boy, I wouldn't bet on it. I don't know if you've noticed, but the President can't just do things. They have to get passed by the legislature first.
Hillary can't just "fight" her way through a deadlock. I know she's "tough" and "won't stop fighting for me" etc. But that's not how things get done in Washington. Fighting breeds partisanship. Partisanship leads to deadlock. And deadlock sure as hell is not getting a controversial healthcare plan passed that not even Democrats agree on! She tried in the 90's and failed, because you CANT JUST FORCE YOUR AGENDA DOWN THE REPUBLICANS THROATS.
It doesn't matter who has the better plan on paper, because it is just that. I would consider a plan that doesn't completely cover everyone, but makes it through Congress a much bigger success than a bloody fistfight over healthcare mandates that doesn't amount to anything real.
In case you haven't noticed, the Rs like to play "negotiate by attrition". If you start all the way in the Right-Center, as Obama proposes to do, you'll end up with nothing but corporate subsidies.
Also, re the "math", this seems silly to me. The louder that chorus is, the weaker Obama is. If the math means it's put away, why are you guys whining so loudly? Do you really think that if Obama loses NC, gets trounced in IN, WV, and KY, and loses every remaining state, that he'll be our nominee? Would you even want him as our nominee at that point?
Obama's polling is bad all around
There is a new indiana tracking poll , showing his numbers collapsing too.
http://www.theindychannel.com/politics/1 6106143/detail.html?rss=ind&psp=news
Clinton gets 4 super delegates
This is the first Gallup survey to be completely post-Wright's comments on Monday, where the controversy really hit.
What seems most noticeable about the polling is that Obama didn't start tanking until after he 'denounced' Wright. Why is that?
Because he pissed of a big chunk of his base (i.e., those who agree with Rev. Wright)
One thing is certain, the media has jumped off of the Obama bandwagon and hitting him hard, rightly so! Obama's flip flop on Rev Wright is seen by many as nothing more than pandering to voters, and quite frankly disingenuous and dishonest. First it's "I can't disown Rev Wright anymore than I can disown my family." Then it's "I disown you for your ridiculous comments." Well which is it Obama? You can't have it both ways because your dropping in the polls and your campaign is now in trouble.
So, does this mean we no longer blame the media when Hillary fails to win the nod?
If there is one thing that Obama should be immune to in a debate vs. Clinton, it is the accusation of dishonesty. I mean, you have to be kidding me. This line of attack is coming from the inventors of "that depends on what the meaning of 'is' is?" Or "heavy sniper fire?" Or "George Bush let magnaquench leave for China?"
How about "I opposed the Iraq War during my Senate run"? How about "Hillary Clinton sent a photo of me in Somali dress to Drudge" (after that had been discredited, but conveniently to pander to a majority black Dem primary in Alabama)? How about "Hillary's health care plan will force poor people who can't afford it to buy in" (without mentioning the subsidy her and JRE's plans both had)? What about "I don't take money from lobbyists?"
Oh wait, it's never a lie when Saint Obama says it.
The usually mild Denver Post points out the same "desperation" act by Obama's denunciation in its main editorial today.
First he is criticized by sticking with him, now he is criticized for throwing him under the bus!
I never thought I'd see the day when a candidate's Christianity would be put on trial... but, here it is! Republicans will stop at nothing, will they... and what does that say about Hillary, who's totally on board with that line of attack?
Maybe because its a tracking poll, with which one can measure trends, but as such requires a few more days measurement than just one.
Interesting that the Obama "rebound" after PA, despite lasting for a week didn't pique Jerome's interest, but somehow two tracking polls with a single day's Clinton favor make two posts.
Jerome just posted this earlier:
"I usually stay away from the tracking polls"
and now he's posting tracking polls?
Apparently losing a single point over two days is "tanking".
This is the first time that I can remember, in a long time, that Obama's loss of support directly contributes to Clinton's rise in support. So instead of switching between undecided and Obama, respondents are for now moving from Obama to Clinton, the first time in a very long time that this has happened.
he should withdraw NOW, before his crushing defeats in NC and IN.
he needs to apologise.
To America.
And everybody he offended for running. Including the Republicans.
And the troops.
I DON'T SAY GOD BLESS OBAMA, I SAY GOD DAMN OBAMA! etc
Did anyone see "Conan O'Brien" last night?
They had Jeremiah Wright on there with the cutout mouth. You know, the typical interview skit they do, and the last line was a gut buster:
"God damn me."
When do people in the state of Gallup vote in their primary?
They all live in Gallup NM
I think Obama's worst news of the day is from the Quinn polls:
Florida
Clinton (D) 49%, McCain (R) 41%
McCain (R) 44%, Obama (D) 43%
Sample: 1,411 Florida voters. Margin of error: ±2.6%.
Ohio
Clinton (D) 48%, McCain (R) 38%
McCain (R) 43%, Obama (D) 42%
Sample: 1,127 Ohio voters. Margin of error: ±2.9%.
change in the race since South Carolina.
It is the first time Clinton has improved her standing in a state BEFORE the weekend prior to election day.
The question is whether Obama can hang on in North Carolina.
What seems most noticeable about the polling is that Obama didn't start tanking until after he 'denounced' Wright. Why is that?
He threw his friend, minister, spiritual advisor, baby bapitzer, marriage minister, and fatherlike figure, under the bus for political convenience.
Everyone has crazy friends and families, but most people don't denounce them publicly.
If Obama & Wright cooked up a scheme to prod a denouncement, then it might've back-fired on them.
Some people actually value loyalty, even in the face of seeming disloyalty.
just last night on Bill O'reilly's show, Hillary, once again, said if she had been in the same position, she would have walked out.
Are you saying Hillary is wrong!
How dare you question Hillary's judgment - she has 35 yrs of experience!!
She more or less keeps her religion and most personal relationships private. Actually, exactly where it should be.
Religion fucks everything up.
BTW, I'm an Edwards supporter just witnessing the clusterfuck at this point. Whether frick or frack wins means little.
I do think though, based on the demographics alone, Hillary is actually a better GE candidate. But whatev. The democratic party is getting what it asked for....President McCain by being too dumb to figure out who is actually a good GE candidate. Most of us can't even figure out by now who can get through the obstacle course of the GE and actually win.
Doncha know Hillary belongs to right-wing, lunatic church, and sits next to the likes of r Rick Santorum (Senator Man-on-Dog).
http://www.mojones.com/news/feature/2007 /09/hillarys-prayer.html
I'm left wondering what those down ticket endorsers are going to do. I know Childers stiffed Obama but does anyone know about the Dem candidates in NC? Are they fighting back against the Wright ads or are they rolling up into a fetal position? And if they are dragged down in a Dem primary what does that say about the Wright issue?
Unless a Gallup poll shows her with a 20 point lead, or an Indiana poll shows her winning 62-38, or in NC she is winning 58-42...They mean nothing, she needs something BIG, Real BIG...
Plus I thought red states like NC and IN didn't matter
Does Clinton really want to win this way? I can understand wanting to see a Republican go down on trumped up character issues, but to cheer with glee as good Democrat gets tagged as what?, a sleeper black nationalist?
Icky and gross. This isn't the party I signed up for.
of course his numbers have gone down. Have you watched MSM news lately??? 24 hour a day coverage or Reverend Wright. This too shall pass.
I tend to think that things actually take a few days to settle in. I think this polls are residual effects of the Wright coverage. I think that the polls are always a day or two slow in picking up what's going on in the news. I don't know if I'm right, but that's what I've thought this whole election cycle.
Look how many times that graph criss-crosses! Obama's "slide" (which is not nearly as far as Clinton's) doesn't really mean anything.
Hate to rain on your parade, but wasn't Clinton in third place at this point in '92 (before Perot dropped out the first time)?
Obama will get the 283 he needs for the nomination, and the contrast between him and McCain will make it all but inevitable that he wins in November.
I know it, Barack, you just can't win lately. You stand up for Wright and you get slammed, you renounce him and you get slammed. You're sounding like it's really getting to you, which is only human, which means you've got to fall back to the plan. Why you are doing this.
The pundits and networks are trying to Dean-Scream you with this Wright thing. Pretty amazing, isn't it? The guy says the US has killed innocent civilians and everyone acts shocked. Wright could have put it differently, but you mean to tell me thousands of Iraqi civilians haven't been killed by US bombs and firing into cars at checkpoints? But you're trying to win an election, and that's a downer.
That means, to stop from veering off in all directions, giving a history lesson on one hand and telling white America they're not all evil on the other, you need to pull back to message. You need to say, Look, this is what always happens whenever someone gets too close to the real problem, the disappearance of the middle-class and all the bridges that used to let Americans go from one class to another, just working hard and not needing to be a financial genius. Bridges like college affordability and worker training. They want to get your minds off the fact that your jobs went overseas or to Mexico, and even if your kids are bright and have the grades they probably can't afford their first-choice college. They want you to forget that a very small number of people have benefited from the lion's share of tax breaks while you can still barely make ends meet.
So here's what you do, Barack. They'll work the social divisions like always, whether it's gay marriage, abortion, or school prayer, unless you show that poor black people and poor white people have more in common than they have dividing them, which is why the billionaires running the networks are trying to stop this Obama phenomenon. Anyone who says, "We have to disaggregate tax policy between the wealthy and the working class or middle class," like you did, is dangerous. Because once you touch on the idea that the interests of the very rich might not be the interests of everyone, well hell, everything that keeps them getting richer no matter what happens might come crashing down.
Do what you do best, which is thinking and uniting. And not by tearing old Jeremiah a new one - yes, he should have shut up after you asked him to, when you explained to him that people can't handle too much truth at once. The last guy who tried that got nailed to a cross. I mean Wright didn't have to say 9/11 was "payback," that's a little harsh, but you mean the CIA didn't overthrow the democratic president of Iran, Mossadeq, in 1953? And install the bloody Shah, which led to the Iranian Revolution and furthered Middle East extremism? Give me a break.
You need to pull out of this nosedive where the talkingheads are, AGAIN, going to snooker people into voting against their own interest, for a woman whose husband fairly personified NAFTA and all those other free trade agreements which they lied would help everyone, but were really aimed at their fat-cat businessman contributors. Sure, that was Bill, but Hillary, as a co-equal like she always says, said not one word against those agreements when she could have politely disagreed with her husband, the way even Laura disagrees with George about some things.
You need to announce the American First Choice College Initiative. (AMFCHOICE? Help me out here.) You've got to think big or media hyenas will keep circling and tearing of little pieces out of you.
The idea is, in the first 100 days of an Obama administration, any American student will have the funds to go to the best school he or she can get into, or wants to go to, from the Opportunity Fund. Max-out what a poor or middle-class parent will pay, and Uncle Sam takes care of the rest. In one very real, concrete way Obama is REBUILDING the bridges to the middle-class.
No kid should have to go to Iraq for college money. The dirty little secret is, over the past 25 years, fewer and fewer kids have been able to afford their first choice college.
Here's the kicker: It's financially do-able. Since you're getting us out of a Iraq, like you said in your Superbowl ad, that $100 billion or so we spend every year could go to this program. Joe Stiglitz calls this the $3 trillion war. "Unmet college need," a rough measure of what this program would cost, runs at about $30 billion a year. Do you know how many times $30 bill fits into $3 trill? You don't want to know. Put your numbers crunchers on it, the guys you pay, and they should be able to come up a some good estimates in under 24 hours. It isn't rocket science. It's arithmetic. $100 billion minus $30 billion gives you a year plus two more of a fully funded program. Kill that idiotic Star Wars, and we've got the money forever.
Here's your sticker, I want credit:
Obama: Building Bridges, Uniting Americans
Make them forget that you're black, and they're white, and make them remember we're all in this together. And if you really use this idea, I want a job. The Bush economy got me too.
Obama has been LYING to us on healthcare. Thats far worse than Wright or anything of that kind.
Seriously.
Stop disparaging the other candidate. If you FEEL he put something in his policy that isn't good, or he's misrepresenting it, say that. But stop with the false accusations. You'll look real stupid in 2 months when the right wing attacks Obama, and your words are thrown back at you. You really want 4 years of McSame? With comments like yours, who needs the Right wings lunatics?
"What seems most noticeable about the polling is that Obama didn't start tanking until after he 'denounced' Wright. Why is that?"
Because its still too soon to register? Obama's bounce will start to show up in the coming days.
With negative blogs like these (those of you who disparage the other Dem candidate, know who you are!), who needs the Right Wings talking points? You all are providing them here. You all will look pretty stupid in 2 months swallowing your words and supporting the candidate you bad-mouthed so badly. (Don't think you'll jump on the band wagon of the other candidate if yours loses? Just imagine 4 years of McSame!) Now, start being suppportive. Thou shall not bad mouth a fellow DEM!
You sHillaries are hillarious. So the tracking poll MATTERS today huh? Whatever, Whatever, Obama will be the Nominee. To paraphrase my favorite WCW/WWF/WWE Wrestler Rick Flair... "Whether you LIKE IT OR NOT...HATE IT OR LOVE IT...Obama is STILL the best thing going today". You can twist in the wind all day and all night. You can cherry pick poll after poll after poll. You can gleefully rub your hands together and jump up and down chanting REVEREND WRIGHT all day long. In fact, light a couple of candles and do it before you go to bed to give yourself the warm and fuzzies. But the FACTS, which you sHillaries love to brush aside, line up something like this....
FACT: Hillary is still eating Obama's dust...she who was supposed to be the "Inevitable" nominee with 1009790279 years of experience couldn't beat a Freshman senator from Chi-town.
FACT: She trails in states won
FACT: She trails in Delegates
FACT: She trails in the popular vote (keep crying about FL and MI being seated)
FACT: Recent days has Obama leading in Superdelegates.
Its over. Elvis is dead, Bigfoot doesnt exist, Aliens did NOT crash land at Roswell, and HILLARY IS DONE.
But you know, keep picking the favorable poll of the day if it makes you feel better. Keep hope alive Shillaries!
Oh and when Obama is back ahead..will the Gallup poll still matter? LOL
Please let me know how sour the grapes taste!
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